Today is a day of celebration. We have been vindicated. I won't say anything further. Just read what Justice Srikrishna has to say:
2.15.01
One of the major arguments for a separate state of Telangana has been that since the formation of the state of AP, this region has been neglected and even discriminated against, resulting in economic and social hardship.
Compared with coastal Andhra, it is alleged that Telangana has low per capita income, lower access to employment, lower business opportunities and low access to education and so on. It is also alleged that most of the higher level economic opportunities are appropriated by those belonging to coastal Andhra.
At the outset, some or all such allegations appear true when absolute amounts, numbers and percentages are reviewed. Yet, when a study of rate of change, growth rate and shares in the state economy is evaluated, nothing unusual emerges. Telangana excluding Hyderabad, currently has a share of 36% in state population and 41% in state land mass. Any development parameter that is consistent with these shares can be considered on par or at parity with the population / share of land mass. Indeed, one finds that at a reference point in the past, such as the census 1961 or 1956 or 1974 since when factual data are available, the shares for Telangana were far too low (refer to Figure 2.44). In recent years, however the shares of Telangana for many common development parameters are in league with the share of population / area, often being higher.
There are a few crucial indicators on which Telangana is lagging behind, and they appear to have occurred due to structural causes of the economy and also due to concentration of economic activity in Hyderabad district/urban agglomeration.
2.15.02
Overall, in spite of 50 plus years of policy protected planning and execution, one finds regional variations in the economic development of AP. The rate of growth in the development parameters summed up below is found to be robust both in Telangana (even after excluding Hyderabad) and coastal Andhra. Disturbing, however, are the growing levels of inequity within Telangana and Rayalaseema, and within the deprived population groups. Contrastingly, the evidence suggests that the inequity in income has, in fact, declined in coastal Andhra. It is essential, therefore, to take a note of inequity differentials between the haves and have-nots in Telangana, especially amongst the SCs, STs and minorities. Such deepening inequity in Telangana can not only sustain the separatist agitation but it can also carry it further and increase its intensity. The masses, therefore, can be easily used as tools of agitation by motivated groups and even political parties.
We have been vindicated by Justice Srikrishna. The time to fight for Telugu Unity with all our strength has come.
Save Andhra Pradesh!
Nalamotu Chakravarthy
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@ Dhruv,
Note the comments of one of our Proud Telanganite Manoj :
" T Anjaiah, a quintessential Telangana speaker, became chief minister of Andhra Pradesh in 1980 and triggered a whole lot of jokes about our dialect. There was a veritable industry of "Anjaiah jokes" – much in the manner in which a decade later the peculiar dialogue delivery of a yesteryears Hindi film villain from Hyderabad sparked off "Ajit jokes" across the country.
Anjaiah's predecessors from the Telangana region, P V Narasimha Rao, J Vengala Rao and M Chenna Reddy, escaped such ignominy because they knew Telugu well enough to speak it in a manner that was acceptable to people across the state.
While I chuckled at the Anjaiah jokes and shared them with others, I was conscious that underlying them was a contemptuous rejection of the Telangana dialect by the political mainstream dominated by people from the coastal Andhra and Rayalaseema regions. This is evident even today in the almost total absence of the Telangana dialect from TV news or entertainment channels.
The breakthrough just made on the statehood therefore seems to give an opportunity to Telanganites to come out of the cultural closet. The prospect of having our own state is exciting as it will let us find our voice, speak freely and unabashedly in our own dialect, without looking over the shoulder to see if any "refined" Telugu speaker from coastal Andhra is sniggering at us.
Egalitarian and earthy as the Telangana dialect is, there is an Anjaiah lurking in each of us, however much we may be educated or sophisticated. The revival of the old Hyderabad state will help us rediscover, among other cultural treasures, our Telangana cuisine which is so distinct from the notoriously hot Andhra counterpart. "
If you feel that the Slogan of Late Mr. N.T.R "Telugu Atmabhimaanam" Was based on inferiority COmplex, Yes our's is also in the same direction. If N.T.R wanted to throw Congress into Bay of Bengal, then yes we Telanganites want to throw everything into Bay of Bengal that rediculed the Culture, spirit & habits of Telangana.
One sentence from K.C.R is making Crazy runers run on the road wild, then imagine what maight have been going around in the hearts of Telanganites all these years.
Lot of times Food habits of telangana were rediculed.
To cite few examples, Calling "Gongura" as "Puntikura", Calling "Sorakay" as "Angapkay" by Telanganites was rediculed again and again. What happened to the rationality then?
You may answer saying that Coastal andhrites have not spared rediculing Uttara andhrites or Rayalseemites & as such rediculing telanganites is not a big deal.
Instead of twisting the things as usual, try to come up with a better answer.
Hyderabad Biryani is a special dish and you should understand that a special dish no onger remains special if it is consumed everyday.
If you are an ardent fan of veg Biryani, then the Dum Biryani (Veg) of Hydrabad is famous too.
I would give a good example for you to understand if Telanganites are inferior or Superior in terms of your Food & Habits.
Go to any Irani cafe or Telangana Hotel: Firstly you would be given four galsses of water, supplied with plate full of Biscuits, Samosas or whaterver you want, have acup of tea or Coffee. once your belly is full then you are given the bill.
Whereas go to any andhra mess: you need to buy tokens first otherwise you would not be supplied even a glass of water.
Two things to notice is that the person accepted that 1) Jalagam Vengal Rao is from Telangana.
2) There are other leaders like PVNR, Chenna Reddy and others who can speak a dialect which can reach to a larger audience.
I guess majority of these leaders might used to speak in the same standards of t elugu before merger, even when they no need to 'fear' of acceptance. I read Madapati Hanumantha Rao's Mahabharatha Sameeksha which is mostly in fine telugu.
The fact is the standards of language will improve (mostly from within) by education and social status. I see majority of my telangana friends, colleagues and neighbours used to speak in this polished telugu. But at the sametime people who are less or illeterate speaks in a dialect. The fact is same with people from other regions too like Godavari and uttarandhra. Even in places like Guntur dist there is a huge difference in selection of words between educated and illeterate classes. For eg. in villages they say, "పొలం కాడ ఉన్నాడు" but the educated say "పొలం దగ్గర ఉన్నాడు.". Adding regional color to such social changes and differences is the conspiracy in T movement.
Btw. Let people know in which Language the director of JBT speaks: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FF18cPyXypg (exclusively for UT who can understand things only thru youtube)
It is ridiculuous asking a dialect (of any) to be in mainstream media which effects business for them. Even in Raj News they read the entire sentense in normal telugu but ends it with chesinru, vachinru etc. which appears so funny.
Earlier I used to enjoy the articles of 'Telidevara Bhanumurthy' which are in telangana dialect which used to come in 'vaartha' paper. But will one enjoy the same language in entire paper? The answer is big NO.
Regarding telangana Cuisine, Let business people from T region start their own industry keeping T meals on their hordings. No one will object. May be your T goons threat people to 'must' eat that food.
The kind of psychopaths that some of these followers of separatism become that they feel each and everything happening on earth is a conspiracy against telangana by andhra people.
There are certain foods which got famous thru decades and centuries that one can't change their value with their regional fanatism. Whether it is hyderabad biryani, kakinada khaja or andhra meals.
Entire Bangalore had hordings of andhra meals at every hotel. Why not the kannadigas attacking those hotels? In Tamilnadu Chettinadu biryani is famous.. Does that mean others go and attack it?
Your Irani cafe and andhra mess comparision is the best example of what sort of brainwash u got and if educated ppl like u talking like this then one can understand the level of knowledge of others about andhra. Anyway, ur last example made it clear that u have never been to andhra. We didn't expected any better level of thinking from u.
Actually, George might have gone to an andhra mess run by a telangana guy
oops!!!! sorry it is Udayama telangana,not george
@Staya, "exclusively for UT who can understand things only thru youtube".
This is a senseless comment which I would ignore. Mr. Satya you give a picture as if there are no Youtube links on this blog. Very difficult for me to accept your masala Gossip postings and as such Itry to look at different things whether they are youtube links of Google books and so on.
You may be a genius always searching for twisting the actual subject but sorry I cannot. Well the ANdhra mess and Iranai cafe example was in resposnse to some cheap comments I read addressed to me expalinign about inferiority.
If you all are interested in a real debate, stop discussing about KCR or any Telangana vaadis. Spend yuour energies on some meaningful discussion you are bound to get similar sophisticated message & dieas from the other group.
Telugu everywhere is same but the problem is rediculing the dialect. If you understand that you would not give me such links. Already I told you long back, the purpose of providing you the links are to make sure that you to listen to the source I am referring to and help you to come up with your strong points. But all the time that brings in Hysteria to you and stop running tearing off your clothes. I am not waiting here for your judgement on my level of thinking. Better you think about your mental strength.
@UT, For you The report of Girglani or Bhargava committee or AP govt webistes links is a gossip but Raj News stories or some chamchas show in TV is a genuine Source.
Reg. TDP atmagouravam and Telangana self respect, NTR never begged for anybody to give us respect.. He commanded it by showing the telugu strength to the world. No person with Self respect will say, that I will wash the feet of Sonia with milk if telangana was given. This shows ur cheap attitude than self respect.
Your suggestion on meaningful discussion is made me laugh for an hr. For you real debates means vijayawada rowdies, chandrababu naya avatar, mokshagundam statue, some crappy cartoons, or andhra mess and irani hotel, venu madhav’s comedy and ur sources are like JBT movies. you come to conclusions on a region by a faction leader murder. There may be hundreds of telangana sites for which these are the mainstream issues for separation and since u spare all your energies in visiting them, you also might have same opinion these are the crucial issues. Go back and see AMRao garu’s comments on what you write.
we know who got hysteria when some students walk in ameerpet without their shirts. They might have straight away taken little further towards a specialized hospital nearby.
By the way, your id UT seems more acronymous to you tube than udyama telangana
NTR's Telugu Atmabhimaanam call was made because telugus(Including telanganites) were given least importance at national level because of your GEMS like ANJI
and Channa reddy.
Infact in North India, People didn't even knew that there was a state called AP and there existed a race called telugus. YOU WILL NOT BELIEVE THAT TELUGUS WERE REFERRED AS MADRASIS IN CALCUTTA AND NOT ANDHRITES.
So his attempt was to develop AP and Telugu race.
According to you, if NTR was feeling inferior, he should have asked for A separate Country, but he came into scene and changed the equation of AP politics permanently.
SO IF HE WAS THINKING LIKE YOU HE MIGHT HAVE ASKED FOR A.P. AS A SEPARATE COUNTRY
BUT HE WAS WISE AND SMART NOT NARROW MINDED LIKE YOU PEOPLE.
SO,,,, TAKE THAT !!!!!
Answer one question, What was Andhra Pradesh before NTR came into scene?Leave aside hyderabad or telangana,Even cities like vijayawada,guntur were in pathetic condition.
All these days what did chenna reddy or Anjaih do for developing Telangana, leave seema andhra.?
Reality is It was NTR who started developing hyderabad and telangana, Your Nizams paradise was more like a Glorified Slum area.
It was after NTR's advent that Congress and whole nation was shocked as the defeat was like a torpedo blast on congress.
So he proved Telugu power by coming into politics. GOT THAT.
Now, Even People from telangana voted NTR right? Why didn't you people vote to chenna reddy or Anjiah as they are from telangana? DID YOU PEOPLE HAD BIRYANI AND WERE SLEEPING OR WHAT ??????????
Also, i have mentioned in one of my posts, CAN YOU MENTION ANY ONE MILESTONE WHICH YOUR TELANGNA CHIEF MINISTERS HAVE ACHIEVED?
Also, you have contradicted your self. Your leader ANJAIH used to ridicule the accent not any seema andhra leader.
According to you, if there is a difference in language, then a separate state should be granted.Right?. Then there would be around 10000 States in india as Difference in language and culture exists in every 1000 KM'S of Distance.
AS FAR AS LANGUAGE BASED COMEDY IS CONCERNED,THEN TELUGUS ARE TREATED LIKE 3RD CLASS CITIZENS IN OTHER STATES LIKE MP,MAHARASHTRA ETC.TAMILIANS HAVE BEEN RIDICULED IN MEHMOOD FILMS IN HINDI.BIHARI ACCENT IS USED FOR COMEDY IN HINDI FILMS. THEN SHALL WE GRANT A SEPARATE COUNTRY TO TAMILNADU AND BIHAR.
SO THE BOTTOM LINE IS, WITH ONES CRITISIAZTION A LANGUAGE OR CULTURE DOESNT DETORIATE.IT DETORIATES IF IT IS USED FOR POLITICAL MODUS-OPERANDI AND VOTE BANK POLITICS
DONT SAY TELANGANA PRIDE ETC ETC. THERE SHOULD BE TELUGU PRIDE NOT ANY TELANGANA PRIDE OR SEEMA ANDHRA PRIDE.
SO THINK WITH A MATURE MIND, NOT WITH A NARROW MIND.
Dhruv,
The above suits your convenience. Division based on your logic and your designed extent is good for you not for everyone.
Instead of Telugu pride why can't you say india Pride and self-declare to be broad minded?
What is Telugu Pride (Atmabhimanam) all about?
What was the root Cause? Is is rediculing all Teluguss as Madrasis and sending sealed covers?
How did it solve all the problems?
How do you define Atmabimanam and what are its limitations?
What is education and how is it related to Language? I am posing this question as someone was talking aboout sophistication in Language that comes with betterr education.
Even i have posted a response to this. Chakravarthy,can you please post it.
Ofcourse, if you dont find anything offensive and objectionable in it
Anjaiah jokes:
can you tell me one anjaiah joke that is on telanagan dialect. atleast refference.
Because all that i heard are on his innocence like english movie in liberty theater.
football match. and maternity ward in gandhi hospital.
To cite few examples, Calling "Gongura" as "Puntikura", Calling "Sorakay" as "Angapkay" by Telanganites was rediculed again and again. What happened to the rationality then?
even kcr told that who ever call it Sorakaya are telanganite anapakaya are andrites
who is correct.
Irani cafe is it telangana food ?
as per the history that i know Iranians who has poor conditions in their home country before 1970's used to come to hyderbad because of king nativity from Iran and relations with some locals. They used to run small cafes became famous as irani cafes. most of the families went back once petrol found there. ask any proper hyderbadi he will show which are actual irani cafes and which are look like cafe. even today most of the hyderbadi muslim families has good connections with them. Hyderabad culture is some thing unique which is not found in warangal other parts of telangana. I did not see any Irani hotel which sells telangana food like jonnna rottelu, sakkinalu etc. can you show me one telangana hotel which sells actual telangana food I went to warangal, Nalgonda, Nizamabad. but what ever selling is same as andhra food.
and on eating hyderbadi biryani daily.
yes there are families in core hyderbad (i know 2 families in nawab ka kunta) who will eat biryani daily or almost daily.
when ever i go i found biryani in their home.
Whereas go to any andhra mess: you need to buy tokens first otherwise you would not be supplied even a glass of water.
how many andra messes that you went. any how andhra mess or andhra bojanam hotels is brand that created from many years for unllimited food. goto chennai/bangalore ask locals.
enaku romba pasikadhu enga nalla sapadu iruku/nanange hotte hasiyuttide olleya uta nanaga elli siguttadi
if you follow him 90% of the time u will end up with andra mess or hotel. that is the brand name they created.
can you show me one telangana hotel which sells telangana food atleast in karimnager/warangal where if ask for food locals should lead me there.
A question of curiosity. How many Irani hotels are there outside hyderabad in rest of telangana? are they same like andhra mess just like in andhra areas?
I dont understand what is this frenzy for a culture which is not yours but just for the sake of opposing andhras and to prove some how ” we are different” you guys are embracing it
Krishna Mohan says: February 6, 2011 at 10:00 am
"don’t you agree presence of vedic culture or classical arts is marginal in telangana until 60s"
I can emphatically state this is factually incorrect. For example, there is an area called Brahminwadii in Hanamkonda lined with the houses of vedic pundits & Sanskrit scholars since the turn of the 20th century.
I know a case where a renowned agama pundit from Krishna district selected a son for adoption (dattam) from Hanamkonda because he found the family to be the most knowledgeable on religious matters among the hundreds he knew all over the state.
I also know of dozens of almanac scholars, jyotishis & avadhanlu during my grandfather's generation.
My own grandfather was a scholar in both Telugu & Sanskrit, a famous poet and an astrologer par excellence. His colleagues included the doyens of Telugu literature. He knew Viswanadha both as an ex-colleague and a close friend.
@Udyama Telangana
Sid didn't like the movie and yes the Film is Violence provoking and IS IN BAD TASTE.
After watching the movie, one of the youth in warangal commited suicide.Read todays TOI.
It is in the 2nd or 3rd page.Yes the film is provoking violence and should not be taken seriously
@Sitaram,
Your Above logic holds good if it was Telugu Vs Andhra. But the struggle is Telangana Vs Crooked Andhra Rule.
When we say Telangana, Telanganites include Marathis, Gurjaratis, Tamils, Telugu Andhrites & Telanganites …….. whoever feel that they belong to this land. we are aginst the looters who have destroyed the lives of telanganites.
Do you know that Balagopal is from Rayalseema, yet we worship him as his heart ached for the reality. He fought for the real Human values.
"Telugus are much repsected lot now in Hyderabad and neighbouring compared to 1970's" – This statement shows your ignorance and arrogance. You failed to realise the insults that you people have undergone under the Tamil domination.
"Telangana of 2010 can not be compared to telangana of 1950's " – yes this statement is True. The grand old fight was against the Nizam and this fresh fight is against the Andhra Rule that replaced the Nizam & more dangerous.
When required even a child would dare to fight against the attrocities which was evident from the yester years fight against the Nizam.
Udyama Telangana,
I am afraid you have not my comment “ Telugus are much repsected lot now in Hyderabad and neighbouring compared to 1970′s” in its right spirit.
In late 70s and early 80s, when we used to go hyderabad markets like abids and kothi, the moment we speak in telugu(telangana/andhra slang) to the trader, we were looked down by traders reluctant reply back in Telugu. This shows amount of repect traders who are usully of non-telugu origin respected the lanuguage of majority namely your own telugu language.They used to take us for ride. My father used to feel whether we are staying in Delhi or hyderabad as we are compelled to speak urdu/hindi. Lately, this trend is gone and we lucky to hear telugu in all corners of hyderabad and walk into any shop and speak in telugu and still enjoy full dignity.
I am glad that you decided to fight against crooked rule. But why only Andhra crooks. why not crooked rulers of Delhi or telangana crooked rulers. we have rulers from all regions from past 60 years. But by any chance if you have narrowed the defintion of ruler to Chief minister’s position, then you are also at the equal blame. Reasons are simple.. when you voted for TDP 3 times to power you were doubly sure it was NTR/CBN who will become CM and never a person of Telangana origin. When you voted for congress during 2004 and 2009 everybody were very sure Raja sekhar reddy will be CM. so it is by deliberate your choice again and again telanganites voted for these Chief ministers.Have they been found crooked in first instance..why have they been voted in Telangana for second and third term.
You appear to have ulterier motives in your moment by targeting andhra crooks and pardoning other crooks who destroyed life of telanganites alike such as:
1.delhi crooks(remember central government is as equally responsible for growth of any region)
2. those crooks who have hampered your enterprenerual opportunitis ( see if you can set up a shop in begum bazar that des over 800 crores of business dialy by breaking marwari cotorie)
3. those crooked tamil lobbies in delhi secratarate who managed get lions-share to the detriment of other regions
4. Those crooked naxals who have been biggest bockades of development of this regions
5. those crooked patels and patwaris atleast until 80′s who have sucked your blood and are continuing suck your blood from a diffent role even today.
7. those crooked 115 mlas, 14 MP(not sure on number) who got elected term after term and but did a zilch to thier region (alteat according to you).
udayma Telangana,tell me sincerely have you visited many parts of andhra and seema to conclude andhra rules robbed telangana and enriched their regions. They equally stuck by poverty and incase of seema and eastern AP districts, magnitute of poverty is much more than telangana.
I will be very happy, if you can draw a comparitive chart between Nizam rule and post nizam rule to prove how post nizam rule has been dangerous and detrimenal to Telangana in lines of:
1.Infrastructural develoment
2.Access to education and Human development in general
3. Encouragement to culture, tradition and language
4. Welfare programs offered to people during both regimes
5.employment opps in junior and senior positions to Hindu-telugu telangana people (who constiute majority) as agaisnt positions offered to muslims, marathis etc.,
6. Freedom of speech, expression and democracy etc.,
I can know that you are from school where people like Jayashankar or Kodand ram were teacher. It is an organized propoganda the professors carried to brain wash young telangana brains against andhra people only with very narrowed incidents, Government policies that go in favour their argument ignoring every piece of info that does not suport thier argument.
It is tough for you to come out of a spell that has been seeded in you for long all through your college and university days. However we will keep our trials on so that you will realise that there is NO deliberate injustice done to telanagana en-masse to the gross detriment of telanaga, though i can admit there are stray cases, result of nepotism, regionalism that is present every where and every state.
@Udyama Telangana
Read this article.Your Hero Anjaih was termed as a bafoon by rajiv gandhi.
These incidents provoked NTR to term "telugu vadi atmagouravam"
http://www.telegraphindia.com/1051023/asp/nation/story_5388245.asp
Prakash says:
February 12, 2011 at 5:05 am
Just to add to your comment regarding the vedic culture practises in Nizam telangana region, ……there is an interesting town called as Dharmapuri….near jagityal in KNR dist. Dharmapuri is in the banks of river Godavari. This town people still practise very ancient vedic traditions. It has a very ancient temples in almost in each street. Interesting this is…the dialect spoken by them is way different from telangana dialect. Some of my relatives say, the dialect is very ancient telugu and has vedic flavour to it….more sanskritized.
At the same time what blogger Krishna Mohan comments said on Nizam's cultural sealing and suppression in Telangana region….is a well known FACT.
Dear Prakash,
yes.. I am aware of Dharmapuri. Infact I was about to mention this place in my blog. Brahminwadi exist some telangana towns and I agree on that point. Infact I lived in Brahminwadi in warasiguda, Hyderabad two decades ago.
Quite agreeably there are exceptions to point which themselves dont go against establishing something. Classical forms of music and dance is more obstensible in Tamilnadu as compared to AP. Having Annamacharya or Thyagaraja(though he belongs to tamilnadu as per current geography), Bala murali or Nukala china satyam don't prove the point that we have more inclination towards these art forms than Tamils. What I meant was wider and genral presence of Vedic culture or classical arts among masses than being confined to some streets. When we were as young as 7 (almost 30 years now), we were sent to kapileswara puram (in east godavari) for learning Rugveda during summer holidays. My mother was classical teacher who was not able to find her students in Sangareddy (this happned 30 year back) sincethere was no general awareness among masses in certain secondary towns of telangana about classial music.
My statement was mostly based on what I have perosnally observed in past 30 years and not based on any verifable statistics.
Some bloggers are expressing rage over not giving T dialect its due. Two questions – Did anyone stop newspapers printed and movies made entirely in T dialect?
Second, why is Jai Bolo T a flop? The movie, much hyped, starring Gaddar and KCR, songs written by Gaddar and KCR, gathered free publicity by creating non-existent controversies regarding censor etc, failed to get oopenings in rural areas. Even in district Hqrs, its a 4 week run. Which movie could have depicted T sentiment more sharply?
Educated bloggers should introspect and come out of poisonous emotions. T or no T is not the issue. The issue is how rationally we are able to analyse what our politicians are doing to us.
What the hell people are talking about?
Telangana Pride,Andhra Pride etc etc.
Gentlemen,
Think practically. Does giving statehood sound's like a joke to you?
Think a scenario, to grant a separate state, lakhs of crores are to be granted to andhra to develop their capital and infra etc etc.
Also issues like water distribution,electricity distribution,railways,roadways etc need to be decided
After the above actions a huge sum of money will be required to be granted to andhra.Who will pay the money?
OU Students,KU Students???? Not at all.That money will be collected from the pockets of Employees and tax payers in terms of tax,by increasing the commodities price,adding exices etc etc
does the centre has funds for all this?
So dividing the state is not a problem, but bearing the expenses is a problem.
Please Please calm down folks.Think in a practical manner, not historical manner.
I agree. Can we refrain from mud-slinging and cheap shots please? I know it is an emotional issue, but there is no need to lose civility.
@Satya,
By the way, your id UT seems more acronymous to you tube than udyama telangana
Thanks for your complements. I have too many differences on the opinions expressed above which I want to respond but that would degrade me to a level that i do not want to.
I am also aware that you would reply back saying that as I cannot answer I am refraining my self from posting. As usual you would quote this in future saying that I ran away looking at your crap.
An example of your senseless Crap : "No person with Self respect will say, that I will wash the feet of Sonia with milk if telangana was given. This shows ur cheap attitude than self respect."
Did I ever say this? I would like to debate about the viability of Telangana state if interested. It is persons like you who make us defend these leaders as you are the one who start crying saying that we are following leaders blindly. You fail to realize that these agitations for separate state existed in all the times maybe in Parts& Peices. Beacause a Popular demand is always alive in different sections of the people a Leader like KCR would be born out of it.
As a response, the same NTR washed the feet of Laxmi Parvati and the pride of entire Telugu was kept at at feet of Laxmi Parvati.
If you disagree for the above then you should agree that your CBN backstabbed the Great NTR.
Could you clarify which one is true? Vithanda Vaadana etla ayinaa cheyyochu brother..
I would make it a point from today not to respond to such meaningless personal attacks and if still u enjoy this type of sadism, Best of Luck.
“ur’ in that line is not intended to ‘you’ as a person but those separatists who take the statements of KaChaRa as commandments. you guys conveniently getaway by saying KCR is not leading movement etc each time when KCR reveals the character of the movement. why didn’t the political JAC or student JAC or bichagalla JAC (Source: Youtube, N Shankar interview) condemned such statements of KaChaRa?
To let you remind what level you can get down in your comments, go and check your comments on Lagadapati Third son. Do You need more examples on what type of sadism you have in you?
So far, not a single comment by you exhibit a slightest sense of interest to have a discussion on viability of T state.
>> Beacause a Popular demand is always alive in different sections of the people a Leader like KCR would be born out of it.
The SKC report revealed how a selfish motive of unemployed politicians became a “popular” demand of ppl by all false data and crying over the other regions. Never did the T movement exist or got momentum without the leaders churning hatred towards the other regions.
“As a response, the same NTR washed the feet of Laxmi Parvati and the pride of entire Telugu was kept at at feet of Laxmi Parvati.
If you disagree for the above then you should agree that your CBN backstabbed the Great NTR.”
haha.. To coverup your crap, you came with another. Where did you get this cooked ‘biryani’ that NTR washed Lakshmi parvathi feet? Even if he did so, it is at his ‘personal’ position but he never said, Lakshmi parvati showed mercy on telugu’s so I am washing her feet. Vitandavaadam chesevaallanu choosanu kaani ila talaa toka lekunda matladatam matram meeke saadhyam brother.
btw.. can anyone let me understand how the two statements are even interrelated? CBN’s act whether backstabbed, or did with majority support has no affect on people. But, see how ur unemployed chenna reddy dumped you guys after 69 elections. That is what the movement is irrespective of generations.
CBN backstabbed the Great NTR.
even though CBN producer of the scheme, direction is done by u r kachara only. for that he is rewarded with minister post. that means your kachara also back stubbed NTR right. and thanks for calling NTR as great even though he is not a telanganite.
@Chandra, @Krishna Mohan:
Let me disclose possible conflicts of interest: I am an atheist and not particularly fond of classical arts.
My own experience differs from Krishna's (e.g. my other grandfather patronized classical music). Folk arts have thrived throughout Muslim rule in Telangana. Perhapst certain cultural elements were limited to the "elite" but I link to factors intrinsic in nature.
I also believe the negative effects of the Asafjahi rule stem from the fact they (but for Mahboob Ali) were tyrants, not from their religion.
Chakravarthy says: February 14, 2011 at 5:34 am
"I agree. Can we refrain from mud-slinging and cheap shots please? I know it is an emotional issue, but there is no need to lose civility"
Thank you sir.
krishna Mohan says: February 14, 2011 at 11:48 am
"In late 70s and early 80s, when we used to go hyderabad markets like abids and kothi, the moment we speak in telugu(telangana/andhra slang) to the trader, we were looked down by traders reluctant reply back in Telugu"
Again this must be your experience. Most Hyderabadis I knew speak Urdu as a choice but I never saw a Telugu speaker being mistreated by a shopkeeper. Most non-Telugu people did speak Telugu though some of them were not very fluent.
"Lately, this trend is gone and we lucky to hear telugu in all corners of hyderabad"
Sometimes this is taken to the extreme. I have seen people insisting on speaking Telugu to waiters even when the other guy did not understand and ridiculing him.
"those crooked patels and patwaris atleast until 80’s who have sucked your blood"
I am afraid you are wrong here. Zamindari system was formally abolished during Ramkishen Rao's days. Appointment of village officers continued on a hereditary basis till TDP abolished all hereditary posts (BTW this led to thousands of village officers & archakas losing their livelihood).
>> but I never saw a Telugu speaker being mistreated by a shopkeeper.
It seems most of the times your experiences are different to with the majority who faced here. It is commonly known to everyone that even autowalas also used to play with ppl from other areas who do not know hindi. you may be lucky to encounter with all good people.
Earlier also you made similar comments saying that you never experienced and unaware of north indians calling telugu people as madarasis. I believe you didn’t write just for the sake of countering.
It is easy to maintain and develop smaller states when compared to bigger states. If the state is big, it is difficult to do developments in all the regions equally. This is the reason given by all the people who want to have smaller states.
However there are many disadvantages in this approach. It requires thousands of crores to create a new state. Once the new state is formed, many people would be effected by that. If a person has business in both the states, then they will have to pay tax in both the states. For example, If they have vehicles which travel in both the states, they will have to pay road tax in both the states. If any product is produced in one state, by the time it reaches to the consumer of the other state, the price increases. Sometimes, eventhough the consumer does not see the difference, but, dealers and wholesalers would be effected by this. All the educational institutes would be reserved for their state students. In each and every field, there will be significant change, and many people would be effected by that. Many times, they will not realize that, they are not getting good chance because of the partition.
When Vajpayee was the Prime Minister, he formed a committee to come up with the changes to the constitution and ideas for improvements. Many of those suggestions can be found in My Country My Life by L.K.Advani. Vajpayee had implemented whatever he could do with the help of 25 political parties that were supporting BJP. In that one suggestion was, to form district level governments. There will be a district head directly elected by the people. He/she will take care of the entire district needs, and the people does not depend on the CM for small things.
The role of Assembly would be restricted to coming up with the policies and high level decisions. Loksatta promised that, if it comes to power, this would be implemented in the state. Even without all these, if the government uses the present local governments efficiently at the town/Mandal level,
we can improve a lot. But, Andhra government is not giving control to the local government. When N.T.Rama Rao was Chief Minister of Andhra Pradesh, he changed the local government elections to direct elections. By that, it was possible for the people to elect a good person as the Chairman. But, the present Chief Minister Y.S.RajaSekhara Reddy changed it back to indirect elections, and now the people do not have any control in electing a good candidate as the Chairman. In most of the municipalities, the ruling party members can easily become the Chairman, because, Ruling party will have 3-5 extra votes. The ruling party nominates 3 members as ward members, and MLA and MP also have voting power. Because of that, even if the ruling party does not get majority votes out of 25-50 seats, still one of their members can become chairman.
If we fix all the problems in the local government, and transfer funds directly to the local government, then we don't need to split the states unnecessarily. Thousands of crores of money that is required for partitioning can be used for development of the state.
TRS and other parties are saying that, if people vote for them, they will get Telangana. Because, people do not know the rules, they say whatever they want. L.K.Advani says in My Country My Life that, for partitioning a state, the parent state has to approve the resolution in the assembly and has to send it to Parliament for approval. Once it is approved by Parliament also, the state will be partitioned. Unless, the resolution is passed in the assembly, center cannot do anything. TDP and Congress are not supporting Telangana, so the bill cannot be passed in the Assembly. Just by winning in all the constitutions in Telangana does not give majority. If TRS really want to form a new state, they should contest in Coastal and Rayalaseema regions also, and get the majority.
Till 1995, Hyderabad was not that much developed. In 1995, Chandrababu became Chief Minister of Andhra Pradesh, and after that, he developed so much in IT in Hyderabad. He started Hitech City, and invited many big companies to Hyderabad. He single handedly taken Hyderabad to a very good position. By 2001, Hyderabad was about to take-off in IT. At that time, then Deputy Speaker K.Chandra Sekhar Rao (KCR) started Telangana Rashtra Samithi (TRS) for partitioning Andhra Pradesh into Andhra and Telangana.
I did not like it at all. Because, KCR started TRS after Chandrababu (from Rayalaseema region) developed Hyderabad (in Telangana region) single handedly from a normal city to must visit place for Bill Clinton, George Bush, and Bill Gates etc. If he had started TRS before developing Hyderabad, I would have appreciated. But, he started immediately after developing the state. So, I never like KCR and TRS. With the experience of KCR, Y.S.Raja Sekhar Reddy (YSR) did all the development activities in Kadapa (Rayalaseema region). Chandrababu developed Telangana, and if the partition happens, entire Andhra loses so much. YSR was not willing to do the same mistake again. So, he Developed rayalaseema region.
KCR is criticizing almost everyone who opposes partitioning. He is unnecessarily conducting Bundhs, and Road blocking activities for each and every small thing.
If this continues, then after the partition, Telangana and Andhra become like Karnataka and Tamilnadu which fight for every small thing. That is even more terrible than economic problems described above.
Let's hope that partition does not happen, and at the same time, the state would be developed by utilizing the local government to full extent.
@Satya:
I did not say I was unaware of the slur "Madrasi". I did not experience it myself.
I am not sure why my experiences are better. In fact, I did not even the dirty looks Americans & others complain of receiving in Paris.
When I meet a stranger in Hyderabad, I speak in Urdu unless it is clear he knows English/Telugu. This varies by place. In Paris, I start with "parez vous'Anglais, s'il vous plait?" and switch only after his "oui".
One problem I have noticed that people hesitate to speak in a language they are not fluent in. This is often interpreted wrongly by the other person. On the other hand, attempts to speak in the other's language are almost always appreciated.
Do you say that Shop keepers, autowalas and bus conductors are fluent in hindi and not so in telugu? My north Indian colleagues used to laugh at the kind of hindi/urdu they speak in hyderabad. I can say confidently that they have enough fluency in telugu to communicate with a customer and ofcourse, even if you compare the urdu and telugu and bilingual population it is the telugu population which is vast than the other two. Saying most of the people are voluntarily speak in urdu is a disrespect to those who fought for telugu language and medium of education in erstwhile hyderabad state. Even logically, the majority of the people whose mother tongue is telugu feels comfortable in talking in that than any other language that they were forced to learn and understand just because it is the language of the rulers.
The impact of Language:
In the Recent Past, Maharashtra Assembly witnessed ugly scenes when newly-elected MLAs of the Raj Thackeray-led Maharashtra Navnirman Sena (MNS) attacking Samajwadi Party's Abu Azmi for taking the oath of office and secrecy in Hindi.
MNS chief Raj Thackeray had warned the newly elected legislators, asking them to take oath only in Marathi. The ruckus took place after Azmi refused to bow to Raj's demand, categorically stating that it was a privilege to take oath in the national language.
The strong sentiment over regional languages is not new in India. States have been reorganized on linguistic basis and Andhra Pradesh and Tamil Nadu have seen vociferous protests in the past over imposition of Hindi as the national language. Should Hindi be made compulsory?
Is language being used as a tool for political gains?
Is language being used as a tool for political gains?
The answer is yes.
Should Hindi be made compulsory?
Again the answer is yes.
Unfortuantely i have to disagree with prakash the on issue of telugu usage in Hyderabad.
Telugu usage before and early 90's was indirectly avoided by business comminities (the north indian communities) who were holding large parts of business. They would blatantly deny to speak in telugu staying in the capital city of telugus. This used to bother me as i have extremely great regard for telugu and second is my fluency in hindi was very poor. This situation got better when large scale migration of people from coastal and rayalaseema dists started coming to capital city. My father is able to speak a very fluent hindi-urdu mix language though, as he has to treat patients who mostly come from old city.
So i used to tell him lets not engage somebody in hindi rather compel him to speak the first language of the state since the businessman was surviving on the purchases of mostly telugus. even if he speaks in hindi i will speak in telugu. But i am not a language fanatic!. When i used to go to delhi(couple of times) i used to speak in broken hindi. Just trying to be as roman as possible in rome, kind of thing.
But seems after 1999 around, because of booming business , lot of seven seater auto concepts came and people from neighbouring telanagan districts started to run these vehicles. Since they lacked the fluency in hindi…telugu became even more popular.
So i would say the telugu got more importance in hyd because of migration of people from coastal and rayalaseema , surrounding telangana districts and after telugu movie industry got shifted. Telugus staying in hyderabad before this migrations happened were comfortably compromised to speak a mixture which is nether hindi nor urdu ,and adjusted with the minorities language, which amazed me.
it is quite clear,
Jagan and KCR will collapse the government and fight unitedly. After the by-elections, it is 200% sure that congress will loose even the deposits,TDP will be buried forever and State will be divided
Some concepts in the proposed non cooperation are not new. My father used to say in 1969-70 times people in buses wouldnt take tickets instead just say jai t and comfortably travel.
But the employees needs to understand that they are servants of the society. I hope govt adopts several strategies to attack this nonsense.
I woudnt be surprised if govt insulates hyderabad and indirectly "encourages" non cooperation in mostly northern Telangan districts. The employees participating in the agitation should themselves feel the heat. No water no garbage removal..long waits after power cuts, zero hospital services in their communities. This is a golden opportunity for self realization among separatist employees to know that…govt service means not only they are serving people….but they are also serving their families and they are serving themselves.
Hope logic prevails emotions.
For me States formed on Linguistic Basis itself was a wrong Rationale.
Once each language branches out, it develops nationalist aspirations, whipping up linguistic chauvinism. The recent chauvinist expressions that Telugu is greater than Tamil or vice versa, in order to get ancient status, is an indication of that trend.
The Dravidian or Pali linguistic roots of these languages are set aside and every linguistic state wants to prove that its language is great.
Agree or Disagree ?
If you consider state formation on liquistic basis was wrong, then you should be dead against state formation on accent/dialect, which is subset of language, basis. But you are not. Like most of your comments, this is also confusing.
“ One State, one language “ is a universal feature of almost every State. Examine the constitution of Germany, examine the constitution of France, examine the constitution of Italy, examine the constitution of England, and examine the constitution of the U.S.A. “ One State, one language “ is the rule.
Wherever there has been a departure from this rule there has been a danger to the State. The illustration of the mixed States are to be found in the old Austrian Empire and the old Turkish Empire. They were blown up because they were multi-lingual States with all that a multi-lingual State means. India cannot escape this fate if it continues to be a congery of mixed States.
The reasons why a unilingual State is stable and a multi-lingual State unstable are quite obvious. A State is built on fellow feeling. What is this fellow-feeling ? To state briefly it is a feeling of a corporate sentiment of oneness which makes those who are charged with it feel that they are kith and kin. This feeling is a double-edged feeling. It is at once a feeling of fellowship for ones own kith and kin and anti-fellowship for those who are not one’s own kith and kin. It is a feeling of “ consciousness of kind ” which on the one hand, binds together those who have it so strongly that it over-rides all differences arising out of economic conflicts or social gradations and, on the other, severs them from those who are not of their kind. It is a longing not to belong to any other group.
The existence of this fellow-feeling is the foundation of a stable and democratic State.
This is one reason why a linguistic State is so essential. But there are other reasons why a State should be unilingual. There are two other reasons why the rule “ one State, one language “ is necessary.
One reason is that democracy cannot work without friction unless there is fellow-feeling among those who constitute the State. Faction fights for leadership and discrimination in administration are factors ever present in a mixed State and are incompatible with democracy.
Another reason why it is necessary to adopt the rule of “ one State, one language “ is that it is the only solvent to racial and cultural conflicts.
There will be people who would cite the cases of Canada, Switzerland and South Africa. It is true that these cases of bilingual States exist. But it must not be forgotten that the genius of India is quite different from the genius of Canada, Switzerland and South Africa. The genius of India is to divide—the genius of Switzerland, South Africa and Canada is to unite.
— Dr B.R Ambedkar ”Thoughts on Linguistic States”
In continuation of — Dr B.R Ambedkar ”Thoughts on Linguistic States” Also states the following:
Having stated the advantages of a linguistic State I must also set out the dangers of a linguistic State.
A linguistic State with its regional language as its official language may easily develop into an independent nationality. The road between an independent nationality and an independent State is very narrow. If this happens, India will cease to be Modern India we have and will become the medieval India consisting of a variety of States indulging in rivalry and warfare.
This danger is of course inherent in the creation of linguistic States. There is equal danger in not having linguistic States. The former danger a wise and firm statesman can avert. But the dangers of a mixed State are greater and beyond the control of a statesman however eminent.
How can this danger be met ? The only way I can think of meeting the danger is to provide in the Constitution that the regional language shall not be the official language of the State. The official language of the State shall be Hindi and until India becomes fit for this purpose English. Will Indians accept this ? If they do not, linguistic States may easily become a peril.
One language can unite people. Two languages are sure to divide people. This is an inexorable law. Culture is conserved by language. Since Indians wish to unite and develop a common culture it is the bounden duty of all Indians to own up Hindi as their language.
Any Indian who does not accept this proposal as part and parcel of a linguistic State has no right to be an Indian. He may be a hundred per cent Maharashtrian, a hundred per cent Tamil or a hundred per cent Gujarathi, but he cannot be an Indian in the real sense of the word except in a geographical sense. If my suggestion is not accepted India will then cease to be India. It will be a collection of different nationalities engaged in rivalries and wars against one another.
There is equal danger in not having linguistic States. The former danger a wise and firm statesman can avert. But the dangers of a mixed State are greater and beyond the control of a statesman however eminent.
One state – One language
One language – One state
Are these two same?
Obviously No. But as you and other people questioned the rationale between the linguistic division itself, I have given these excerpts why our constitutional forefathers thought linguistic unification is only better compared to other types.
At the same time People should mind there need to be some rationale even for division of an existing state also. Just saying, People’s demand or what is wrong in division will not add enough weight for dividing the state. There needs to be some criteria which can set an example for other demands as well. Not like dialectic division of a state.
The intellegence lies in ingnoring the immediate paragrapy reads:
How can this danger be met ? The only way I can think of meeting the danger is to provide in the Constitution that the regional language shall not be the official language of the State. The official language of the State shall be Hindi and until India becomes fit for this purpose English. Will Indians accept this ? If they do not, linguistic States may easily become a peril.
Was this implemented?
The imposition of hindi as official language on non-hindi speaking states drew widespread opposition by tamils (under Rajaji) and other south Indian states when morethan 80% of its population do not know the language. It is a similar action to British imposing English or Nizams imposing Urdu.
Besides that, We didn’t meet with any such danger as Ambedkar feared of linguistic rivalry between states. What so ever, Now most of our official communications and websites are in both English (as Ambedkar wanted) and language of the state. As there is no threats to the nation because of existing structure, the question making hindi as official language is irrelevant.
One state – One language
One language – One state
Are these two same?
Any question w/o context is meaningless. There is one priciple language(ignoring dialects) and many secondary languages in every state. Except Hindi speaking regions(which are plenty) all other states are identified with one principle language.
Thats why lets have national framework to divid the satates further. A framework cmmon to all. If it is by 5cr max/per state or backwordness or people are asking for it. Let that be framed first and divide every state, why only AP, based on that.
UTcan u tell us some other basis in which we can divide country into states other than language. Note it should have universality in application at least it should be applicable to whole india and it should not have any demerits. last and most important it should solve all the problems that all the people are facing now in india.
satya says: February 15, 2011 at 9:33 am
"Do you say that Shop keepers, autowalas and bus conductors are fluent in hindi and not so in telugu?"
I speak in Urdu and switch if he does not comprehend. This ensures I get 100% results.
"My north Indian colleagues used to laugh at the kind of hindi/urdu they speak in hyderabad"
Sure, this is also true of Hindi spoken in Bombay, Delhi, Calcutta etc.
"Saying most of the people are voluntarily speak in urdu is a disrespect to those who fought for telugu language and medium of education in erstwhile hyderabad state"
I disagree respectfully. None of those who fought for Telugu opposed to Urdu as a language. For example, Dasaradhi said "Telugu & Urdu are like my two eyes" .
"they were forced to learn and understand just because it is the language of the rulers"
By the same token. do we reject English thrust by the British? In any case, I learnt Urdu on the street, not at school.
I didn’t say they opposed those who ‘voluntarily speak’ urdu. But Certainly they opposed imposing of Urdu as a medium of education in schools and in administration which is not the mother tongue of majority of the people. Sri Madapati Hanumantha Rao who is a scholar in all 3 languages but insisted the usage of telugu in educational institutions including Osmania.
Even if you go by numbers the urdu speaking percentage is less than 15 in most of the telangana areas and only in hyderabad it is around 35 still relatively a minority. Either You do not interact with the other 65% of population in hyderabad or u r ignoring the fact deliberately that telugu was given an unfair treatment in hyderabad before 80s and 90s even it is the language of majority just because the traders do not like to speak in that language.
Chandra says: February 15, 2011 at 11:56 am
"Telugu usage before and early 90's was indirectly avoided by business comminities"
You are referring to the post-TDP situation. Unfortunately narrow political interests induced suspicion on the basis of language.
"They would blatantly deny to speak in telugu staying in the capital city of telugus"
Hindi is the first language even in the capital of Maharashtra. To insist on the "state language" to be used by everyone does not sound right to me.
"even if he speaks in hindi i will speak in telugu"
In effect, communications break down. How can we engage with each other if we do not communicate?
"Just trying to be as roman as possible in rome, kind of thing"
Good analogy. But Urdu is the "Roman" of Hyderabad & Bombay. It may change with time but forcing the pace will invite "reaction".
"telugu got more importance in hyd because of migration of people from coastal and rayalaseema"
It did and gave rise to complaints similar to what you raised.
"comfortably compromised to speak a mixture which is nether hindi nor urdu ,and adjusted with the minorities language, which amazed me"
I do not believe this was voluntary and not a compromise. Dakhni is a fusion just like "chaste" Urdu.
>> In effect, communications break down. How can we engage with each other if we do not communicate?
>> But Urdu is the “Roman” of Hyderabad & Bombay. It may change with time but forcing the pace will invite “reaction”.
Prakash, I don’t comment on your love for urdu, but it cannot be given the similar importance statistically how may beautiful is the language. I think it is the general norm anywhere in the world that the vendor speaking to the customer language not the other way. (may be u can come up with some corner cases). Yes. These people experienced the force not from outside but within when the lost their business opportunities for their denial of telugu.
>> It did and gave rise to complaints similar to what you raised.
Since hyderabad has ‘some’ urdu usage it didn’t raise complaints. But if you go to bangalore, chennai or kerala state you can consistently see the discomfort of north Indians because of language. yeah, complaints too when they find it irritating that even on buses they write in tamil or kannada which is not the case with hyderabad and I don’t want it to be.
My point is, why would they complain when they know that ours is a linguistic division and they have chosen to live in a telugu state which means they know it very well that the medium of communication is telugu.
you do not start your communication in urdu while you are paris na
similarly they can’t insist to speak in hindi when they are in hyderabad.
satya says: February 16, 2011 at 2:41 am
The fundamental disconnect here is your insistence that Telugu should be the "lingua franca" of Hyderabad on the ground that the state was formed on a linguistic basis. I am comfortable with cities evolving their own character.
Linguistic states can not demand minorities adopt the "state language" or impose it on private citizens.
I like Urdu/Hindi/Telugu etc. equally. My acknowledgment of Urdu's role in Hyderabad, French role in Paris or Telugu's role in Warangal is based on reality, not personal preference.
Americans, British & Indians travel all over the world conducting business in English ("vendor's" language).
>> Linguistic states can not demand minorities adopt the “state language” or impose it on private citizens.
No one demanded the language minorities.. At the same time they can’t insist the state to function in ‘their’ language. Govt cannot function in each and every language of its citizen. I don’t think there is any dispute with this across the world. Arabs in america can’t ask the signs on the buses should be in arabic.
>> Americans, British & Indians travel all over the world conducting business in English (“vendor’s” language).
What you said is B2B scenario but not B2C.. If its the case, I don’t think we would witness Google china or Windows in German and Microsoft Word in Hindi and ATMs in telugu.
satya says: February 16, 2011 at 2:41 am
"My point is, why would they complain when they know that ours is a linguistic division and they have chosen to live in a telugu state which means they know it very well that the medium of communication is telugu."
Most of the Urdu/Hindi speakers arrived here several generations ago. In other words, the area they lived chose to rebrand itself as a Telugu state.
yeah.. Most of them came generations ago. But the truth is even before they came, it is a telugu area… Not a rebranding. Even after they came it is still a telugu area interms of population.
Yes even today anyone can come and live and use their language. But If you are a merchant you are expected to speak in a language of the customer. atleast you must try to understand their language and give ans in your language or broken languge of them who form the majority of the community. But that is not the situvation exists in hyd before. you can observ that transition in hyd. when coastal or seema people come to hyd in search of opputunities they can't speak fluent hindi. he/she has to manage with broken hindi. so it become tough for them to purchage things in koti/abids. so when some of the coastal machant came they all are turned to that guy as there is no language problem for them. it makes most of the business that is present in the koti, abids area shifted to areas like ameerpet even though same merchants still holds shops in old areas. it make them force to use telugu for communication. I saw in some of the blogs saying that coastal people moved all the business from areas like koti/abids/nampally to areas like ameerpet because they are inteligent. But the truth the stubborn nature of the merchants made the business to move that areas. if those people can speak telugu then coastal or seema people might have purchaged from them as they have local advantage and they may still keep their top position in the business. In business where there is no language problem locals still hold the top postions like chat bundars ( ex:gokul chat), biryani shops(paradise etc) and real estate business (manjeera etc.)
@Satya, @Air:
"Govt cannot function in each and every language of its citizen"
Yes, this is why we have official languages. This is any language in which anyone can write to the Govt.
"What you said is B2B scenario but not B2C"
This is also good for B2C. For example, almost all traders in Bombay understand Hindi but not many are fluent in Marathi.
BTW I speak English in Paris, Munich etc. even with traders (of course after the pleasantries).
"ATMs in telugu"
And Spanish in USA even though Hispanics are not a majority in even a single state.
"Not a rebranding"
You referred earlier to linguistic states, a concept that evolved much later.
"when some of the coastal machant came they all are turned to that guy as there is no language problem for them"
Yes, I do not buy the argument that andhras forced business out of Koti/Abids.
I have a seperate point that you may not have experienced. My family used to patronize many shops (clothes, wholesale etc.) owned by Telugus for decades. These are disappearing for reasons I don't fully understand. Language was probably not the reason here.
"In business where there is no language problem locals still hold the top postions like chat bundars"
Language is required even in these examples. The endurance of these businesses is because of the nature of the products (chat, biryani etc.) is unique to this region.
Cities change with time. Delhi's cultural fabric changed after partition and the resulting Punjabi influx.
I want to close with an experience here:
During the Razakar interlude, many businessmen sent their families for a few months. Vijayawada was the favored destination for Warangal people due to rail connectivity. Several members from my family & neighbors believe they were ridiculed & mistreated due to their language. It took a lot of convincing by the younger lot to dispel/reduce their feelings. Our frequent "they don't hate us; they did not understand you" worked to some extent.
>> The endurance of these businesses is because of the nature of the products (chat, biryani etc.) is unique to this region.
not simply. But the amount of communication required too. For asking cigarette in Panshop one don’t need be fluent in any language
The choice of language depends many things like place, comfort level, type of stay and the persons you interact with. your examples refers mostly these exceptions like
Muslim woman may prefer shopping in sultan bazar where as other telugu ppl who are not that fluent in bargaining in urdu prefer chandana bros or some shops in ameerpet. If you take a tamil guy he may prefer central. Same with north indian ppl preferring super markets than local kirana. All these choices are because of comfort level.
And secondly when you are on a tourist visit or temporary stay you are not expected to speak a local language. All most all the vendors in Puttaparthi know 4-5 foreign languages (to the level where they can communicate) because they know their customers.
And thirdly place with in a city. Since kondapur and hitech city areas have good numbers of north indian customers it is nothing wrong on part of traders to do business ‘also’ in hindi. Infact they themselves prefer it to gain the customers.
We are not denying these voluntary tendencies. What we are talking about is the reluctance of the ‘immigrated’ traders in hyderabad to speak in the local language despite the majority of their business depends on the local people just because these communities have a monopoly in the business.
Satya, one for the road. I gather you do not smoke, good for your health. The cigarette called "bada Goldflake" in Hyderabad is called "Kings" in Vizag & "ITC King" in Bangalore.
I apologize for the frivolous nature of this comment. Admin: please delete this if it lowers the dignity of the blog.
A more serious response than the above.
The best way of leaning a language is by "immersion", especially at a young age. This is why the Marwaris of Nizamabad, Adoni or Rajahmundry are fluent in Telugu while those in Hyderabad are not.
Learning at school is not very helpful unless you practice it with "native language speakers" or take other measures (e.g. watching movies). This is why Gujaratis are good in Hindi but Tamils are not.
The earlier generations of traders had limited education and little chance/need of speaking in Telugu. The younger lot do study Telugu at school and are slowly turning it into their second language. They still have trouble with unfamiliar accents but will eventually come to grips with it too.
I believe the Marwaris (or any other businessmen) are far too pragmatic to lose business for "principles".
@Prakash,
One will not take ages to learn local language or required to study it from school days. I stayed in Banglore for about 2 years and picked up kannada as good as native speaker. It is the inclination or compulsion that makes necessary for someone to learn a language. I know third/fourth generation non-telugu communalities (including muslims) who can hardly speak decent Telugu. It is because of our own complacence, we never made them feel it important to learn Telugu while living telugu land. Rather we started learning Hindi/urdu to communicate with them. Our broad mindedness gave them wrong signals about ability our language to cope up as medium of communication in Business. One of my colleague asked if telugu language lacked enough vocabulary to write songs after he heard many telugu songs that have come up recently ,replete with hindi words . That was not his ignorance but our foolishness to fill our songs with Hindi words while we have more musical sounds in Telugu.
I really feel pity for telugus particularly of Nizam regions who show more inclination or take pride in speaking urdu/hindi than English/telugu( one can notice most of TRS movement captions are coined in Urdu)
I use to wonder during our college days, students were conversing in urdu/Hindi (though all of us were telugus) and engaging into a conversation in telugu was like daring to join the huddle with telugu used to sound quite odd drawing a scanty respect that a 'oorodu' gets. Added to this anybody attempting to speak English was outrightly rediculed and cut off. They used to ask him Kya re tu..londan se abhi aaya kya?.
Even today I see most of the hyderbad telugu youngsters conversing in Hindi/urdu contrary to their peers else where in Banglore or Chennai who converse in English or Kannad/tamil. This clearly gives Hyderabadis disadvantage in terms of career opportunities.
My message to Hyderabadi Telugu youngster is
“.Respect your mother tongue save one of the ancient and greatest languages our civilization. Pick telugu as your first language in schools/colleges enjoy learning how marvelous was our literature is by reading Nannaya, thickana, errapragada, Srinatha or potana.Pass on 2000 year old heritage Remember we are just 8 crores to this job . At the same time and work hard to gain great comfort in communicating in English, as this is language that gives kick start to your career.
I have seen tendency among telugu students in hyderabad to preferHindi to Telugu as thier first language. There are already 60 crores of people bothering about Hindi and so that is not your job unless you have lot of time and have nothing to do except learning languages.”
krishna Mohan says: February 17, 2011 at 6:14 am
"One will not take ages to learn local language or required to study it from school days"
Different people learn at different speeds.
"I stayed in Banglore for about 2 years and picked up kannada as good as native speaker"
Exactly. Urdu is to Hyderabad what Kannada is to Bangalore. Kachiguda is to Kannada what Ulsoor is to Tamil.
"we never made them feel it important to learn Telugu while living telugu land"
The fact that state was constituited on a linguistic basis can not be equated with every mohalla becoming "Telugu land"
"I really feel pity for telugus particularly of Nizam regions who show more inclination or take pride in speaking urdu/hindi than English/telugu"
I think people whether Telangana or Andhra should take pride in speaking every language. The fact that I take pride speaking in Urdu does not diminish the respect I have for Telugu & other languages i n any way,
"Respect your mother tongue save one of the ancient and greatest languages our civilization"
Yes and all the other great languages of the country.
"I have seen tendency among telugu students in hyderabad to preferHindi to Telugu as thier first language"
This is because they believe it will improve their prospects in education & employment. (They may not be correct but we can't correct someone else's view). Hindi's status as the "national language" is another cause.
>> Urdu is to Hyderabad what Kannada is to Bangalore.
Can you tell me the Urdu population in hyderabad and kannada population in bangalore?
@prakash
YOur comment: Exactly. Urdu is to Hyderabad what Kannada is to Bangalore.
"we never made them feel it important to learn Telugu while living telugu land"
The fact that state was constituited on a linguistic basis can not be equated with every mohalla becoming "Telugu land"
your comment
—Banglore's native kannads are about 40 to 45%. But does not mean that there are minority, since it is Kannada rajya. We dont go by regions or subregions to determine language of majority. If that is critieria the muslim colleges in Hyderabad will not be given minority status nor nrupatunga college of Kachiguda need to be given that status. Some pockets may have more number of non-telugu speakers like gujarati galli etc., but that does mean that they are not living in telugu land .Otherwise why should we call it andhra pradesh? if is not the land of andhra's or tamil nadu if it is not the land of tamils. However this shall not go against natinal spirit finally terming whole india as HINDUSTAN . EVerybody should respect the language and culture of Majority failing which they are a misfit there. This respect is demonostrated by trying to learn that language and participating or atleast appreciating in local cultures and rituals.
YOur comment: I think people whether Telangana or Andhra should take pride in speaking every language. The fact that I take pride speaking in Urdu does not diminish the respect I have for Telugu & other languages i n any way,
As I have mentioned very categorically my school days and college days facing Supremacy of Urdu to telugu in very own Hyderabad. I am sure you can many more examples to draw exceptions to my experiences.
-speaking in Urdu may not diminish respect for telugu.. however if everyone carry the same opinion and speak Urdu, telugu language will not exist any more since urdu language will become more popular, This is the reason why most of the hyderabad youngster take hindi in their academics to telugu.
Please Make residents of Hyderabad to learn and speak telugu. We have shown enough of broad mindedness when it comes Language to others for past 600 years that has not been reciprocated.We are at a stage where the very survival of language as business and official language has been at stake.
Yes and all the other great languages of the country.
—Mentioning telugu as great language does not mean other are bad. as I mentioned there are other people to bother about those language and save them. We dont have to disrespect them and at the same time need not endevour to shoulder its growth at the cost of our language. There are 15% of Indians to take care of a great language called Urdu and over 60 crores of Indians take care of another great language called hindi. As I said we only 8 crores who should take this responsibility. as against for urdu and hindi in india
"I have seen tendency among telugu students in hyderabad to preferHindi to Telugu as thier first language"
This is because they believe it will improve their prospects in education & employment.(They may not be correct but we can't correct someone else's view)
I agree. This is not correct. I am not sure how Hindi can imrove thier education and employement chances. If it yes by any chance… we should immediately question central government and amend our constitution to stop this bais detrimental to south indian languages.
. Hindi's status as the "national language" is another cause.
There is big debate about the usage of word national as opposed to official language. Becuase ( I read from some reliable sources) it is mentioned that Hindi and English will be official languages of the country to be used for governance. There is no official statement anywhere giving a National language status to Hindi
Vindicated?
http://epaper.sakshi.com/details.aspx?id=802798&boxid=169282302&eddate=18/02/2011
http://eenadu.net/panelhtml.asp?qrystr=htm/panel4.htm
These are not my thoghts. If anyone have objections on this news you could write on the blog adressing the general audience or write to the editors or justice L. Narsimha Reddy.
Prakash garu,
I have great respect for urdu and hindi and i completely agree with you that the fluency comes when one learns from childhood. Urdu is a great language and deccani has a special status in India. Agreed . I also agree that the marwari community in nizmabad is very well mingled with the local people. My only interest was to see telugu widely spoken by all sections of hyd as its the capital city of AP , the issue which is mostly fixed in modern hyd.
Anyway ,……gentlemen here, I think we dont have to discuss this issue further as it is beyond the scope of the blog and the post. (My opinion though
).
Vindicated? Indicated?
http://epaper.sakshi.com/details.aspx?id=802798&boxid=169282302&eddate=18/02/2011
http://eenadu.net/panelhtml.asp?qrystr=htm/panel4.htm
So, you want us to ignore a well respected Supreme Court Justice in entire India who exposed many separatist lies with "evidence", but believe a judge who has consistently shown a pattern of bias in most of his rulings? Let's not forget this is the same judge who said there are many Dyers in the police department.
Dos it mean that only Judges from Seemandhra are capable of delivering judgements? I would write more later today some more questions That I think should be debated on.
When did Justice SriKrishna become a seemandhra judge ?
If you care about checking you can visit: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B._N._Srikrishna
@ Ramesh,
The above opinion expressed by Mr.Chakravarthy is on High court judge justice L.Narsimha Reddy. I was expressing a doubt if it would have been a seemandhra judge then do we call it as unbaised.
Yes, he termed mr. Anjaneyulu as General Dyer but forgot to term him as General Kami. The same general Dyer caused attrocities on journalists too. That was clearly evident from the the compensation A.P. Govt paying 5lacs compensation last week.
The case before the Court is whether the Chapter about ‘Law & Order’ in Srikrishna Report needs to be made public. It seems that the Judge could not over come his regional feelings while deciding on the case. His remarks are not called for. It doesn’t behove of a High Court Judge to make such remarks on sensive issue like this. It is better any court cases pertaining to Telangana and Srikrishna Committe should not be dealt by Andhra Pradesh High court in view of conflict of interest
Is the tendency of favouring "regional feelings " confined to only the personell belonging to Telangana origin?
Then why can't you accept our allegations that the Seemandhra official heads were/are/will be baised towards Telangana?
if this is untrue then we need to accept that the comments by justice L. Narsimha Reddy are also true.
1. Is the tendency of " regional feelings" confined only to personel belonging to Telangana?
2. The entire agitation is based on the allegations that Seemandhra officals are baised towards Telangana.
Accept oneof these and there would be Win-Win for both of us.
If our allegations are false then your allegations on High court judge are also false and as such his comments that SKC is full of lies is true.
If your allegations that he is baised is true then our concerns that Seemandhra officials are baised are also true.
There should be some mutual agreements – Just my opinion.
Leave T or A, you people alleged outsiders also though they belong to neither.
For the time being let us agree that Seemandhra officials are biased telangana and vice versa. But where should we go if there is any such bias? to courts only. But what if the judge himself swayed away by such feelings?
In India we lost faith (don’t take by regions) in many systems like political, administrative and police. The only hope for common man is judiciary though some of the recent revelations (on K.G. Balakrishnan or some former SC judes) are disturbing and make this also slipping away. Since he is in a high position of judiciary any comments made by him will carry more weight unlike by ordinary politicians. He should be more balanced and control his emotions while passing comments on a high-voltage issue, esp. when the case is under trial.
Also it seems the Judge stepped beyond the purview of the case, it is not sure whether his ‘sweeping statements’ are on entire report or only wrt 8th chapter, which is the only one given to him for reading.
Btw.. here is what he preaches to law students: http://www.hindu.com/edu/2009/04/13/stories/2009041350490200.htm
“If our allegations are false then your allegations on High court judge are also false and as such his comments that SKC is full of lies is true.”
Logically this cannot be happen. If your allegations are false, then the comments made by the judge will also become false and regionally biased. So far, there are no telanganites come up with solid proofs refuting the report except some grammatical mistakes here and there.
My understanding is the that HC judge supported united andhra. He said SKC report is full of lies. Agreed. At many places SKC provided extensive research and proved that Telangana region is on par with Andhra region, better than rayalseema and in few parameters they lag behind. I too would say its a lie becaue Telangana is emphatically far ahead of othere regions. Both seema and costa andhra were exploited by Telanagana. Instead of quoting this simple fact in couple of lines, SKC spent too much time and money to conclude telangana movement has at least a week arguement when infact it had none.
I think the HC judge is saying just that. Telanagan guys are looters and how come SKC didn't mention it.
UT garu, can you prove that the judge didn't mean what I said. He didn't quote a single fact and what all he spent was just about half hour on the report.
In the previous post, we were discussing about goons of TRS especially the KTR and his gang.
Seems yesterday , KTR publicly displayed his profession in front of media.
JP a highly respected social reformer/politician in India was verbally abused and physically assaulted in the premises of assembly. This is the peaceful agitation our fellow separatist bloggers were talking about.
I remember there was a suggestion here to use well known people in AP to spread samaikyandhra…and spread the reasons why we all need to be united. we discussed about possible threat to their dignity and property also. Now we have seen what happened.
When governer itself was jolted in assembly by these fanatics and opportunistic politicians…and students and employees have demostrated utter disrespect for democratic institutions, police and law and order….i strongly feel its the time to impose president rule and allow separatists to taste what it means to be law ,constitution , government and country.
Mr. Chakravarthy,
Earlier I had seen a request from the fellow bloggers to maintain decency and you were seconding it. I know that our friend Mr.Satya would start looking to hit me agin but here is a suggestion:
Before criticizing me whay can't the personal blows like "goons of TRS " are avoided on the blog. For these actions its a natural phenemenon to see some agressive statements from me too.
If Person "T' from Telangana is a goon, goonda, Taliban …. for the fellow bloggers then Person "SA" of Seemandhra would be more dangerous for me.
It would not be wise to start giving me about lectures of hatred etc (one Mr. Harishchandra Does that all the time) instead stand as an example and make others follow the rule. Under those healthy conditions you would not see me personally attacking for silly reasons.
I can be more broader in my approach. Basically I addressed this to you as I felt that you are a moderator and have full control of what's published on the blog.
One Mr.Harishchandra, There would be no validy if examples of other sites or blogs are quoted as examples justifying the sub – standard comments here.
The rule on the blog has always been not to use foul language. I am going to let all posts come through as long as the post meets that simple criteria.
I can only urge the bloggers to engage in a meaningful discussion (for example, not stoop to the level of my biryani is better than yours
kind of discussions). However, I will not edit/remove posts that do not have bad words.
I agree with you. Let us stop comparisions like " My biryani better than your biryani" and the same time let us stop using The words and phrases like Goons, Talibans, " Thirsting for Blood" etc in our usage.
Hope this would not cause hindarance in posting.
@UT
U and ur ilk critsised SKC as biased and corrupt. Why cant we claim that Jutice Narasimha Reddy is biased towards Telangana caz he is from Warangal ??He has made a comment after reading it for just 20mins ??
Regarding the Regional Bias of Justice Narsimha Reddy, Please refer to :
Udyama Telangana says: February 18, 2011 at 9:34 am
We are commenting without knowing how large is the content in Chapter 8. He read for 20 minutes and probably that was sufficient for him toa rrive at the conclusion.
He is supposed to give his ruling on weather the chapter 8 is to be made public or not ..Airing his personal opinions doesnt do any good to the image of the court
I normally do not comment on incidents happening in the outside world. I will make a rare exception to condemn the attack on Dr. JP Narayan.
Chandra says:February 17, 2011 at 11:09 pm
"I remember there was a suggestion here to use well known people in AP to spread samaikyandhra"
Chandra, it was I who made the suggestion. If you remember I specifically called for non-politicos and even came up with a draft list. Mr. Narayan would not belong to "my list" after he chose to join politics.
Prakash garu-
Yes, I saw your list and will start pursuing some of them. However, why is your "my list" just non-politicos. So, all we well intended people sit back, pontificate, give opinions while leaving open the political field for goondas and criminals? Then we complain how wretched politics have become.
I do not agree with much of JP's ideology as his philosophy often contradicts with my libertarian views. But, he darely ventured into the murky world of politics and is paying a dear price for it. I salute him for his courage and commitment. I spoke to him yesterday and he is doing well. His first words when I spoke to him were not about himself but asking me to take care of myself. He is a quintessential gentleman. Yesterday's assault on JP will not be forgotten. I urge my fellow Telugu people to stand up and fight for their fundamental rights.
Chandra says:February 17, 2011 at 10:52 pm
"I have great respect for urdu and hindi and i completely agree with you that the fluency comes when one learns from childhood"
Thank you
"My only interest was to see telugu widely spoken by all sections of hyd as its the capital city of AP"
It will happen with time irrespective of whether it remains in AP or not. My main concern is that we can not force change in the character of any place.
"I think we dont have to discuss this issue further as it is beyond the scope of the blog and the post"
I believe this subject is at the heart of the blogger's case (but not this post). I do have significant differences with Krishna's (and others like Satya) worldview. However, I will post no further on this subject. In any case, I am terribly tied up now
Chakravarthy says: February 18, 2011 at 12:43 am
"Prakash garu- Why only non-politicos?"
I made this suggestio n when I read the list of invitees to your NRI organizational programs. Politicians (and other "professional agitators" like students or lawyers) are to some exent a part of the problem, not the solution. I think the solution lies among ordinary people who have no axe to grind. Because we can not reach ordinary ppeople directly, we will need opinion leaders (not celebrities as someone interpreted my suggestion) who can convey the message. They would have credibility that politicians can never achieve.
You may remember I prepared a list of such people from the top of my head. "Professional agitators" like politicians, students, teachers, lawyers etc. are better at negative tactics than positive discourse. I think there will be hundreds of such great men & women in this land.
You may remember my other suggestion closely coupled with this. The message should be positive e.g. how unity can benefit everyone. There are several such arguments in the "integrationist" that are positive in nature but not sufficiently "marketed" in the overall din.
I would suggest the same to the "seperatists" too.
Chakravarthy says: February 18, 2011 at 12:55 am
Mr. Nalamotu: I believe my comment above answers your question. Due to latency, these comments clashed "mid air"
Cleansing politics is going to be a long fight. The current issue can not probably wait till it is achieved.
[Digression: I do not know Mr. Narayan personally but believe his approach is fundamentally flawed. My limited intraction with his "party" was disappointing. I do not believe he has the bandwidth to carry a "basket of ideas". He may be better off pursuing a single agenda (e.g. fighting goondaism in politics). Please ignore this digression if possible. I will not return to this subject].
One reason that I would rule out Mr. Narayan is that he appears neutral on this subject.
I agree with you fully we should fight against all assaults on freedom by anyone. As Jefferson said, eternal vigilance is the price of freedom.
However this is still negative & reactive. The positive & proactive elements are probably more important but less effectively employed in the current debate.
2008-09 Telangana population: Three Crores
2009-10 Telangana population- Three and half crores
2010-11 population: 4 crores
I feel something seriously need to be addressed in telangana morethan the separate state, despite being so many suicides..
Probably this Census would solve all your concerns and give a Solution forever!
Satya,
you must give credit to these "progressive thinkers".
Few more
Querterly Results
'atma tyaagaalu'
2010 Q1: 300
2010 Q2: 500 (Pre-by-election rally)
2010 Q3: 600
2010 Q4: 700
Half-year results
(government jobs looted)
2009 H2: 2 lakh
2010 H1: 2.5 lakh
2010 H2: 3 lakh
I definitely appreciate the consistency in the growth.
"Generally the theories we believe we call facts, and the facts we disbelieve we call theories".
In the name of self respect every thing goes. It is not that difficult to project 2011 Telangana population.
2001- 3.15 cr
1991-2001 decadel growthis around 13% and this growth is decreasing across India and more so in south.
2001-2011 decadel growth sould be even less.
In telangana you may say 15% due to Hyderabad population spurt. So talnagana population would be around 3.6 cr or even less.
Few days back EC said there are 5.7 cr. voters in AP , and it represents 68% of population. Based on that total population would be 8.38 cr . telangana would be 40-42% of it. That is 3.35-3.5cr.
Eitherway it will be arround 3.5 cr.
Of which how many are separatists.?
Hyderabad muslims(0.4cr) said they are not for Telangana. There are another 0.5 cr migrated from other states and andhra-seema region. Add to that many bordering madals adjacent to other states and andhra-seema who do not identify so closely with seperatism becaue their relations wth other regions are much more closer. I would say at least 1 cr population do not identify with this seperatism. Of the remaining 2.5 cr, do they really want us to believe 100% are for seperate state. I would be surprised the real seperatist are more than half of Telanagana region.
Pity is as one gentleman said–human beings are perhaps never more frightening than when they are convinced beyond doubt that they are right.
What we are witnessing is precisely that. They are convinced and they are frightening.
This is just one of the many incosistacies in Telangana issue.
.in addition to the above calculation…
AP share in India was 7.4% IN 2001. This share is decreasing because of APs less than national avg. population gowth. Even if we maintain same share we would be 7.4% of 118 cr. in 2011, which is 8.7r.
42% of this is 3.66cr. THIS IS THE MOST OPTIMISTIC NUNBER ANYWHERE CLOSE TO WHAT SEPEARATISTS CLAIM.
TThis is the upper limit. Not the floor. And highly unlikely.
In George Orwellian terms this is called "new speak".
i.e
Convincing general public that lies are facts
@Satya
Why is this a surprise to you. The math never adds up there is no place for facts in this argument
@Chandra
Do u think president rule would do any good ??!! Every party in the T region has fallen into the trap of the goonda samithi.
I can't take this anymore…Just watching the TV5 NEWSCAN and the TRS floor leader is lying through his teeth that TRS MLA 's & his driver never attacked JP. And he says that JP was never attacked by TRS supporters. Its a shame the editor of the programme even can't condemn what he is saying. Its high time the people of AP standup against these goons and thugs.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U3QOIN0oFrU&feature=player_embedded
Sunil,
I have been taking this for about last 8 years.
Harish Rao is only denying something that happened.
The great 'Collin Powell' did even bigger thing at center of UNSC.
He projected a photograph with two armymen standing at door of a mobile van.
He said it is a 'mobile nuclear testing van' of Iraq.
About half-an-hour later Jack straw thumped the tabled and confirmed that Iraq possessed WMD.
Earlier today I posted couple of messages that I think are waiting for moderation. I am sure that they are not abusiveand as such it would be good if Posted at the earliest. If unable to find them I can re-post.
// "Do u think president rule would do any good ??!! Every party in the T region has fallen into the trap of the goonda samithi. " //
Yes. I do.
There has been an utter disrespect going on, on the government machinary for the past 1.5 year. In the name of civil liberties and democracy, Separatists are displaying despotic tactics.
The tactics employed by the separatists have far deeper intentions. This is not telangana -AP issue. Their fundamentals objective is very different.
The objective is to weaken the democratic system as much as possible and they want the people to loose confidence on parliamentary system. They want to show that govt is lying and govt comiittes are useless. They want to brainwash people as much as possible that present govts have to be challenged to their core. They want to implant a deep suspician among people forever, on the governmental system itself.
People like "Udyama Telangana" and others who are fed up seeing corruption in politics get attracted to this and fight against govt. One needs to fight against unethical politicians and not against govt…and law enforcement agencies and fact finding missions. There is a difference.
President rule for 1 year is what they need. Fortunately AP has a governer who worked major part in his career against the "forces" who tried to weaken the belief on the system.
Guys,
Anyone in the know will conclude that the present spin of telangana culture being "cosmopolitan" "multicultured" esp. w.r.t to Muslim culture by t separatists is as fake as their data. Ostensibly it is a facade which they hope will counter linguistic basis of AP which they try to paint as some "monoculture" (???) bigotry. But of course in reality it is an attempt to buy peace if not support from Muslims. And to their dissapointment Muslims refused to swallow the obviously political BS and treated it the the contempt that it deserves. MIM reacted the sharpest against the attack on JP
There is this nice video in which Owaisi shows the respect he has to T separatist hero wannabe Madhu Yashki http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zUArqOvF_Wc. Watch from 3.15. And the people here who think Muslims are to be blamed for not speaking in telugu are wrong. A lingusitic state is organized around one numerous language does not mean other languages which were present historically are to be second graded. Telugu languages faces many threats but the poor marginalized Muslims on the street is not one of them.
Regards,
Kiran