Yesterday’s book release event went well when compared to the previous events held by Visalandhra Mahasabha in Hyderabad. From Visalandhra Mahasabha we had Freedom Fighters’ Association President Narra Madhav Rao, another freedom fighter Mehaboob Ali, C. Anjaneya Reddy, Parakala Prabhakar, Chegondi Ramajogaiah, Kumar Chowdhary Yadav, Kethiry Srinivas Reddy, Sunkara Venkateswar Rao, Laxman Reddy and several others that were in attendance.
The book was released by Sri Narra Madhav Rao. After the book release, when Prabhakar garu was speaking, questions were raised by the media persons interrupting the session. When they were told to not to interrupt and let the program go on and that the questions will be addressed later, they would not heed. Some of their main concerns were, how is the book relevant in today’s context? If the whole Nizam region was for integration in 1950s, the same Nizam region wants separation now, why not heed to the demand?
However, we insisted on allowing us to finish the program first and the press questions would be addressed once the speakers are done with their speeches. However, the media refused to stay quiet and kept shouting at us. At this point, we decided to disregard the disruption and go on with the program. After Prabhakar garu spoke, Mehboob Ali garu spoke about their past struggles under Nizam rule and how Communists fought together. Sri Ali expressed his desire to see “visalandhralo praja raajyam”. Later Chegondi Ramajogaih garu who edited the book, chided the media for lack of respect to freedom of speech. After this we ended the session as the media guys continued their shouting match.
Here is a link to the book that was released yesterday: Telanganalo Visalandhrodyamam
@A. Mahendra:
Thanks for the link. I could not follow this as the video is too long (18 minutes).
I asked the site admin: "The video is too long. Do you have a shorter one with just Ramulu's speech?"
@Jai Garu,
I could not able to find another link of Mr Ramulu's speech. Anyhow, brief of his speech as I understand is
1. Outsiders ( Coastal & Seema People) looted Telengana region.
2. Enough is enough. Outsiders must sent back to thier place of origin.
3. He discouraged young students not to kill themselves for the cause of Telengana. He tried to imbibe fighting spirit among young people. But at the same time he supported the people who killed themselves for the Telengana cause. His speech was contradictory in this subject.
I have seen the video. Unbelievable. He recites upanishads and spews venom against his fellow telugus in the same breath. Someday these videos should become part of a museum for the posterity to see the kind of hate campaign being conducted by the "learned" separatists. The abrasive language, choice of words such as “exploiters”, “bewakoof”, “gaadidha”, “thanni ellagodatham” was unbecoming of an IPS officer of DGP rank. He calls Srikrishna a bewakoof and gaadidha.
If someone missed the Mahendra's earlier comment, here it is: http://dhoomdhaam.com/videos/ex-dgp-pervaram-ramulu-must-watch-speech-trs-11th-anniversary/
To top it all, he used "paropakaram idam sareeram" to justify/support Suicides. Great !!! That's the last thing that was missing in this campaign. If he really beleives an iota of what he said, I would encourage him to do what he is supporting/preaching to the youth.
I lost a bit of respect towards "Civil Service Examinations". It allows such stupids of narrow intellect to succeed and become IPS officers.
Correct me If I am wrong.. I recall in one of the Jayasankar’s video where he told, “when some T group led by him went to submit a paper on injustices done to telangana to then CM chandrababu, the DGP next to Babu (I guess he reffered Ramulu) told if at all what ever you are claiming is true, then there might have been a revolution by now.. (sensing he did not believed in the content).” Surprising, the same guy boarded the same bandwagon which he accused of..
@Chakrvarthy garu,
You are right. The language used by Mr. Ramulu was very mean. As far as KCR is concerned, one can understand. Spewing venom against once own fellow beings is a crime against humanity. The language used by him, during his entire speech was very rustic. He should have used his basic common sense before using abusive language against Sri Krishna committee report. He should know the Professional track record of Justice Sri Krishna. Justice Sri Krishna is highly qualified and he maintained impeccable track in his professional & personal carrier. Mr.Ramulu degraded the post of DGP by his provocative hate speech.
@Mahendra
Ask for proof redundantly till something like "show me the darkness in the night" kind. And when you ask them for something they answer with something like "can't you see that single ray of light in broad noon daylight".
Jai's answer is amusing. 18 minutes is too long?
Thanks for the link. I could not follow this as the video is too long (18 minutes).
I asked the site admin: "The video is too long. Do you have a shorter one with just Ramulu's speech?"
Methinks this is the strategy adopted by T separatists
Also the simple strategy of seperatists is “If you claim something, then it is wrong until you show us the proof.. If we claim something, it is true unless you prove it wrong”. or it is still true because We wont accept as u have vested interests.
@Satya,
This a very narrow strategy, being used by most of Telengana leaders & Intellectuals, since many a years. One can say, this is a part and parcel of perverted intelligence. Ultimately they are deceiving them selves in their cause
@A. Mahendra:
I don't have the time & patience (not to mention bandwidth) to sit through 18 minutes of long winded speeches. Thanks a lot for providing the summary.
I join you in condemning Ramulu's call that "Outsiders must sent back to thier place of origin". The so called "outsiders" have as much (if not more) right to Telangana as disgruntled beurocrats like Ramulu & turncoat politiicos like Pocharam. Bigots like these guys can only harm the cause of Telangana.
తిరిగే కాలు తిట్టే నోరు ఊరికే ఉండవంటారు. ఆంధ్రోల్లని తిట్టడం అయ్యిపోయింది, సోనమ్మను తిట్టడం అయిపొయింది. ప్రస్తుతం భాజపా పెద్ద శత్రువు. ఇంకా మిగిలేది కచరా నే.
A similar exercize conducted by another "research scholar" resulted in a "book" called "The Seventh Nizam of Hyderabad – an archival appraisal".
http://www.thehindu.com/news/cities/Hyderabad/article3399826.ece
@Jai,
There may be some occasional incidents, here and there in the long carrier of last Nizam, which may be praise worthy. But overall fact remains that it was he who neglected Nizam Telengana in all fronts, especially in the arena of education. In his entire life time, he neither liked Telugu language nor telugu people. During his regime feudal slavery was at its peak in rural parts. It was he who made the people of this region very poor in all aspects of life
@Jai
You forget that Hitler was a great pet lover and a painter with a "sensitive" heart. In fact you will find countless books that praise the achievements, personality, reforms and character of Hitler done by more qualified professionals/writers/researchers.
SO? And so?
@Chakravarthy:
"He recites upanishads and spews venom against his fellow telugus in the same breath"
This is exactly the kind of "integrationist" thingy that I don't understand. Would you rather he spews venom against non-Telugus? Will a term become more or less abusive based on the target's language?
I understand & share your disgust for the call to "thanni ellagodatham" but what is objectionable about exploiters (a common term used by your vommunist friends) & bewakoof?
Talking about twisted logic. If I say I love my mother, it doesn't mean I hate my father. I love telugu language, it doesn't mean I hate other languages. I happen to think urdu language is quite pleasing to the ears. I happen to love tamil movie songs. So, please don't put words in my mouth.
Ramulu was spewing venom against telugus and that is eaxctly what I said. That doesn't mean it is ok to spew venom against any other sect.
@Jai,
If Mr.Ramulu is illiterate Bewakoof(Brainless fellow) and using the term Bewakoof during his speech, then one can understand that since he is illiterate he is speaking like a Bewakoof The main objection is that that he Qualified IPS and served the state for more than 30 years and he knows well what is what and in the public platform he spoke like a Raja of Bewakoofs. That is what is objectionable.
To be fair to Mr. Ramulu, Bewakoof, just means "Idiot". He is allowed to call some of his idealogical opponents (who are in public life) as Idiots. Anyway, that is the least of my concerns.
Jai,
you are a nauseating bore. Your intention seems twisting everything. What do you expect the integrationists to be? Budhha? Angel?
You first answer how someone like Mr. Ramulu uses "thanni ellagodatham"? Then ask the remaining. You just sharing the view cannot make discardable point.
@jai
I join you in condemning Ramulu's call that "Outsiders must sent back to thier place of origin". The so called "outsiders" have as much (if not more) right to Telangana as disgruntled beurocrats like Ramulu & turncoat politiicos like Pocharam. Bigots like these guys can only harm the cause of Telangana.
why dont you add kcr,vijayshanti,kodandaram and singidi writers society
i dont understand how people from diferrent region in the same state ,same country are branded as outsiders.
regarding ramulu,he is deeply following this quote 'when in rome be a roman' like wise when in trs start the hatred against andhra
This is exactly the kind of "integrationist" thingy that I don't understand. Would you rather he spews venom against non-Telugus? Will a term become more or less abusive based on the target's language?
I understand & share your disgust for the call to "thanni ellagodatham" but what is objectionable about exploiters (a common term used by your vommunist friends) & bewakoof?
one thing that i obsorved is that jai is under the false impression that all integrationists are linguistic chauvinists and jai is leaving no stone unturned in proving chakravarty garu as linguistic chauvinist.
i dont understand how supporting samikhyandhra becomes hatred towards other languages
>>>> I don't have the resources to do the "research" unlike VMS. Offhand I can mention several names who opposed Visalandhra in 1956: Mahadev Singh (HMS leader), T. Hayagrivachary, Puli Ramaswamy, SB Giri, BV Gurumurthy & Burgula Narsing Rao (the CM's son).
Jai, you are at the same thing again. I too read these names in news paper archives. Let me remind you once again that nobody contesting opposition to merger by SOME people. But the point here is about majority support. I am sure you saw a few clippings in other website about agitation between 1955-6. Not even 10 major events reported from 9 districts. You call it as majority support? Even Golconda Patrika reported very few names that opposed the merger. Mostly it was the trio. Of course employee organizations.
@Prabhakar Ji
>>>> I don't have the resources to do the "research" unlike VMS. Offhand I can mention several names who opposed Visalandhra in 1956: Mahadev Singh (HMS leader), T. Hayagrivachary, Puli Ramaswamy, SB Giri, BV Gurumurthy & Burgula Narsing Rao (the CM's son).
I don't know from where the above statement came but let me put it on record that these people (or almost all of them except Burgula's son) were not against Vishalandhra but were against the bifurcation of the Hyderabad state.
The name of Burgula Narsimha Rao is the only exception who is new to me. But he sounds like Jagan to me
But this is exactly what we Hyderabadis are saying. The telangana movement is a unethical movement. It is a parochial self-interested movement. I understand if people want the old Hyderabad state or want United andhra but I can never understand this desire to have a 10 district state which is neither homogeneous culturally linguistically, ethnically or historically. In fact maybe (and a big maybe) the telugu state (or present AP) is homogeneous historically but linguistically it is 100% homogeneous. And culturally (from the point of view of a Hyderabadi who can count his 7 generations) you are more-or-less homogeneous (in fact more than a state like Karnataka or Maharashtra or Tamil Nadu or Gujarat or UP or West Bengal or Kashmir or Rajasthan). Sometimes I wonder what this entire issue is all about except self-centered ambitious politics on all ends including the seema-andhras (is it only politicians? someone should answer me. i mean why didnt an organization like this come up before dec 9th 2009). I think the seema-andhra people/politicians thought they were so smart (or sat on their behinds) that they can get away and the T agitators/rowdies came this far.
Its so sad for all of us Hyderabadis or non-telugus who know the way the T politicians and the leaders (including non political leaders – the JAC kinds) betrayed us in 1952/1956/1969 when we wanted the old Hyderabad state.
@prabhakar rao:
I can't view the images in the "other website". However they claim these are samples only (మచ్చుకు కొన్ని క్లిప్పింగులు), not a comprehensive list. They say they will bring out a "book" too. Apparently anyone can do "defensive research"!
None of the people I mention are KVR/MCR cronies. Yet "integrationists" blame the duo (trio? who is the third?) all the time.
The best source on Telangana public opinion is Justice Fazal Ali (public opinion in Telangana has still to crystallize itself).
Surprising you stress "majority opinion" for merger while most "integrationists" call for "consensus" for reversing the merger!
Jai,
you always drift from the main point.
I have already reminded about how SOME people opposed merger. I believe that effort of VMS was to prove this SOME was minority.
You do not agree? Better come up with larger picture. You cannot go on with same argument by listing SOME names and quoting SOME comments.
Try to be fair in debate rather than being technical. When you do not have resources (whatever they are) limit yourself to opinions but do not assert them as universal truths.
The trio I referred to is MCR, KVRR and JVNR who were most vocal against merger but eventually sigantories to GA.
Reg. your మచ్చుకు కొన్ని క్లిప్పింగులు
I read almost all editions of Golconda patrika between 1955 and 1956 on press academy website. In fact I looked into andhra patrika only after completing Golconda,
There is nothing more than these మచ్చుకు కొన్ని క్లిప్పింగులు ..
You can verify yourself instead of escaping on technicalities. BTW, it does not require any resources other than your time.
You are throwing stones in darkness to divert the topics. Instead of quoting some names (mostly taken from leaves of late prof) and hiding behind lack of resources, you can go into available sources and then comment.
Majority opinion, consensus blah blah.. Do not mix up too many things and try to get away from present topic.
>> You can verify yourself instead of escaping on technicalities.
or Jai will request the administrator of press academy website to compile all the Pro telangana news at one place.
Remember that the admin must be a hardcore T-vaadi. Otherwise there will be allegations of tampering.
>> The best source on Telangana public opinion is Justice Fazal Ali
Also the best source on telangana development is SKC..
>> Surprising you stress “majority opinion” for merger while most “integrationists” call for “consensus” for reversing the merger!
why to disappoint you.. Lets take majority opinion of the state.. You may expect your supporters in SA (Katti Padma rao, harsha kumar, MVS reddy) will come to ur help.
Folks,
There is no point in selective digging of the past only to use them for scoring points, does not lead to a long lasting solution. British or Nizam were not the most loved people prior to independence….today many indians drool over London…
Chakravarthy is using of telugu as a reason to keep the state as united is meaning less as there are more important things to be considered. Who can ignore the fact that the two regions were and are not at the same level plain field in every aspect of properity/industry and hence the reason for leaving space for the T region. Having two states will provide focused administration and policies.
When T was getting their share of the jobs, the solution of the creating zones was most stupid solution and only served to confuse and muddy the minds of the T region people. Today I see many of you folks saying that there is more violation of T people…I don't have words to express when Sera and some other so arrogantly come back with attacking mode than finding amicable solution to the problem…
I repeatedly ask what is that the A people feel they are losing in separation and address those things to pave way for a brighter future for all regions. None of the United A folks here have the guts to answer this question of mine?
Is it not the other way round. Why do you need anyone to provide justification for status quo. Also why is there only one solution to all problems called Seperate state for 10 districts of telangana region which were part of Hyderabad state and are currently part of Andhra pradesh ?
If you are serious about it. You need to list the problems and come-up with a win-win solution for all the stakeholders involved (i.e., all the people of Andhra Pradesh). And build majority opinion around it, in the state of Andhra pradesh. Please come up with facts and true numbers. And don't come up with half-truths and utter lies.
This is the exactly the sort of study done by SKC and have submitted a reports to GOI. I might not completly agree with the report, but am OK with GOI going ahead and implementing it. I do not know when such wisdom would dawn up on the hardcore T-separatist politicians.
To your question, what will A people lose, if seperation happens ? I am saying that this is a hypothetical question. Separation would not happen. So there is no need to answer your hypothetical questions. If I or any other United AP supporters are proven wrong, and seperation does happen, then I don't have to answer you and you don't have justify to me. What ever complaints are there, would be given to GOI. And suitable compensations/safegaurds would be sought at an appropriate time with GOI. Loss/Profit is not Static. It is dynamic. Losses/Profits have been been different in 1956. Would have been different in 1969. would have been different in 1972. would have been different in 2009. Altogether different in the future (if any such decision point arises).
And I sincerely hope that future central cabinets have better wisdom and take all decisions after going through a systematic process.
P.S: I have my own views of the pros/cons of 1956 merger/formation of AP. But all those points are totally irrelevant now. Because we are not living in 1955/6/7 now. It is 2012.
Still not clear what you want to convey. Do you mean compormise, reconcile etc?
Even if you really meant the same, lot of ground has to be prepared for that.
To provide a solution there should a problem.
You want everybody to accept the problem as propagated by Telanagana aspirants?
I am for one not against division of state. But as ordinary person from SA I cannot accept the accusations against my kind. Who will answer to it?
Why should A people prove anything without T-vaadis proving allegations against A people?
Do not forget that T-vaadis were the one to raise the issue and has not yet proven infront of a 3rd party.
Again, you are targetting all A people while we talk about only a few loud mouthed T-vaadis.
As long as you use same tone you will receive attacking responses only. For example your Chakravarty using telugu… is not really in good trust. Chakravarty brought out many modern and historical facts to establish oneness of Telugus. He is not like late prof whose articles refer to nothing before 1948.
All free blogs on web were misused to propagate lies like Telanganas and Andhras were different from days of Mahabharata.
PS: Do not waste your time denying your support to KCR or late prof or some other T-vaadis.
>> does not lead to a long lasting solution.
You are looking for a solution, and we are asking whats the problem? I couldn’t understand ur analogy of British or Nizam. You mean to say, today we hate you but in future we are going to love you??
>> Chakravarthy is using of telugu as a reason to keep the state as united is meaning less as there are more important things to be considered.
where did Chakravarthy told telugu is the only reason to keep united?
>> Who can ignore the fact that the two regions were and are not at the same level plain field in every aspect of properity/industry and hence the reason for leaving space for the T region.
Are all the districts of T are in same level playing field? Does entire India have same level playing field?? can we divide north east into separate country? Btw.. who occupied T region to leave its space? you repeatedly come up with this beautiful liner “leaving space”. But please elaborate what u mean by it?
>> When T was getting their share of the jobs, the solution of the creating zones was most stupid solution and only served to confuse and muddy the minds of the T region people.
Good u accepted T was getting their share of Jobs. But don’t brush away the benefits of zonal system.
>>Today I see many of you folks saying that there is more violation of T people
T is simply an emotional statement. But ultimately it is people who will gain/loose jobs. What will happen if more educated hyderabad and RR candidates will get into the jobs of adilabad? Same is with the zones in kosta. That is why most of jobs are at district level. Violations are violations though it may hurt you if T people did but make angry when SA people did.
>> I repeatedly ask what is that the A people feel they are losing in separation
What is the T people loosing in being united? anyways, who will accept for separation when you brand other party as looters, valasavaadis, water thieves or rakshasas ? If separation happens, what will be the image of SA in the history? Can you ask your leaders to accept their lies on neellu, nidhulu niyamakalu before asking others such questions?
@GK
I don't have words to express when Sera and some other so arrogantly come back with attacking mode than finding amicable solution to the problem…
Didn't I always say that the amicable solution is in the Sri Krishna report itself and it is the fourth option. Please read it. And I am neither arrogant nor attacking – just a small clarification
You find me arrogant when I say I am true Hyderabadi with 7 and more generations lineage while you dont yourself arrogant when you say the same thing vis-a-vis T and claim Hyderabad. None of you want to bring back the old Hyderabad state (never even discuss it) and then want to talk about Ganga Jamuna Tehzeeb because it is cute.
Go for the fourth option in Sri Krishna report and lo behold you have an amicable solution.
@sera:
Mahadev Singh, T. Hayagrivachary, Puli Ramaswamy, SB Giri, BV Gurumurthy & Burgula Narsing Rao were all against Vishalandhra and in favor of separate Telangana. They did not (repeat not) favor continuing Hyderabad state. I don't know where you got the info that they were against trifurcating Hyderabad. Any links to support the claim please?
"why didnt an organization like this come up before dec 9th 2009"
Good question. While we wait for Chakravarty sahib to answer, perhaps you can ask yourself a similar question on the not yet formed pro-Hyderabad UT organization?
"Ramulu was spewing venom against telugus"
As far as I understand, he was spewing venom against either Andhras or settlers or both. According to SKC report (page 436), 7% of people in Andhra & 20% in Rayalaseema are non-Telugus. I doubt verymuch if he exempted these folks from his threat.
In other words, Ramulu was spewing venom against a group of people, a majority of whom happen by chance to be telugus like Ramulu himself. His venom was born out of reasons other than language.
This will no doubt sound like hair splitting to the eminent defenders of Telugu homeland. They may even take this comment as an attack on Telugu language & culture!
BTW what was your objection to language like bewakoof, gadha & exploiters?
>> 7% of people in Andhra & 20% in Rayalaseema are non-Telugus.
In other words, Ramulu was not only spewing the venom against telugus but also on marwaris, sindhis, Jains and many other non-telugus. Despite knowing there are non telugus he still hated them since they are part of andhra, This tells the reality behind the fancy Ganga, zamuna, tehjeeb.
Anyways, thanks for ur selective endorsement of SKC.
i lose hyderabad
@Jai
In other words, Ramulu was spewing venom against a group of people, a majority of whom happen by chance to be telugus like Ramulu himself.
That brings me to the question. If he could do it against Telugus (his own brethren) then what will or his followers do later? Like I said it will be "we kept quiet when my neighbour was slaughtered and when I was about to be slaughtered I realized I had no neighbour".
Uncivilizedness cannot be rationalized. This kind of Ramulus speech (with apologies and due respects because I did not hear it and cannot understand even if I did but got the gist only from the comments. So I will stand corrected if any of the comments were wrong) is not at all acceptable.
Bewaqoof and gadha termionlogies are not expected other than from Bewaqoofs and Gadhas to say the least and you defending it makes me wonder whether you are one among them (with due apologies).
@Vardhan
Yes Hyderabad is lost whether you said it because you are a seema-andhra or a telanganaite I dont know. But it is lost. I know that. What we are fighting for is the geography of the fourth option of the sri krishna commitee report. That is the right solution. Expand Hyds geography so that there are borders everywhere and declare it a SAR like pondicherry or delhi. Believe me we will be competing with singapore if that is done.
@Jai
Any links to support the claim please?
Any links to support yours please. These people were against the trifurcation of the state first before the merger. Can you please direct me to links where they were not against the trifurcation of the state or supported it. PLEASE.
And as for an organization for UT/SAR the only reason why it does not exist is because of fear. Because there are people who can break statues, beat up professors, spew venom, manhandle people like Chakravarthy saab & JP right in the assembly premises and a hundred other things.
Maybe that is the same reason why an organization like Chakravarthy saab's did not come up before – out of fear. Your questions have answered that. Though it still does not answer why the seema-andhra politicians kept mum on it before.
@Sera:
Most Telanganites don't see language as the basis of "brotherhood". So it is not surprising that Ramulu does not see Andhras (Telugu speakers and others) as his "brethren".
My point here is Chakravarti is unnecessarily bringing in Telugu into the debate. This fits in well with his "homeland" demand but falls short of facts.
If bewakoof & gadha are the examples of uncivilized behavior, there would bee very few persons left in today's public space. While I don't use such language myself, such language is quite common today.
I find Ramulu's "kick them out" comment abominable. (I did not see the video myself but am going by Mahendra & Chakravarty).
Ramulu has used nice words for the people like you who try to find faults in everything in his speech.
Why should you go by Mahendra and Chakravarty? Cannot you verify yourself? You participate in debate only after that.
Why are bothered about Telugu when you do not know what Mr. Ramulu said?
"This tells the reality behind the fancy Ganga, zamuna, tehjeeb"
Ramulu's comment is against the tahzeeb.
Thanks for accepting the truth in ur movement. As opposed to most of T seperatist claims like “We are against few ppl who are looting T”, u guys have grudge and hatred against tahzeeb of other regions.
@Sera:
On June 2, 1953, HPCC unanimously passed a resolution recommending the trifurcation of Hyderabad and the merger of these units with the neighboring states (source: Telugu newspapers Andhra Patrika & Andhra Prabha). You can check with Rahnuma-e-Deccan if you can read Urdu (I can't; Siasat of this date is not available in the PAAP online archives).
By June 1954, Telangana members of HPCC reversed their stand on Visalandhra through another resolution favoring the creation of two Telugu speaking states. (source: SKC page 49 & Telugu newspapers of that period).
@satya:
Looks like I was not clear. Telangana inclusive culture is built on respect for all languages, regions & people. Ramulu's "kick them out" comment does not fit in with this tolerant framework.
"Telangana inclusive culture is built on respect for all languages, regions & people."
If so why do all T-Separatists hate people from the remaining 13 districts ? Why are the T-separatists Fighting against the people in Rayalaseema districts and Coastal Andhra districts ? Do you mean to say, T-Separatists have given up the the "Telangana inclusive culture" ?
"Ramulu's "kick them out" comment does not fit in with this tolerant framework."
Then why is that no TRS, TJAC leader criticised Mr. Ramulu ? Why have no one in TRS/TJAC camp ask for withdrawl of his statements ? Or Ask Mr. Ramulu to resign from the politburo/primary membership of TRS ? Does that mean that TRS and TJAC have deviated from Telangana tolerant framework ?
(I did not see the video myself but am going by Mahendra & Chakravarty).This is classic. So, when proof/evidence are provided, you are not even ready to examine it. Are you waiting for the day, that the site removes the video and then ask for proof/evidence again ?
But the support and response of such speeches are contradicting the tehzeeb what u claim..
"The trio I referred to is MCR, KVRR and JVNR who were most vocal against merger but eventually sigantories to GA"
Are the people I mentioned the cronies of these troika? BTW Mahadevsingh was a Socialist, not a Congressman.
I think you already lost most nuts in desparation.
I just explained what I meant by trio. You come back with another twisting remark.
God save you.
@Jai
HPCC is a congress committee not the government to my knowledge. Where is the government?
And there were many outside and inside the HPCC that opposed the trifurcation. Later it was the "linguistic argument" that made them agree. In such a scenario the Telangana members of the HPCC reversing in 1954 was immoral, unethical and purely opportunistic as there was no "reversal" option open in the first signing in 1953. Can you please provide a link of the whole document of resolution of 1953.
You can't agree to a resolution in 1953 on one principle of linguistic states and kick ganga jamuna tehzeeb on its face while unethically and silently reverse it later for one's own advantages in 1954. You should have joined hands with the people who opposed the trifurcation in 1953 or if you did not should at least stick to that. The whole Telangana asking from day one is based on a foundation of lies (unlike KCR wh claims the AP state is founded on lies). It is the idea of Telangana which is founded on the foundations of lies and deceit.
And like I said HPCC is not government. The same is true of the so much hyped gentlemens agreement which is not a govt document but just a congress agreement copy.
@Jai
Most Telanganites don't see language as the basis of "brotherhood".
Please educate us on what they see as brotherhood then without devolving/blabbering about ganga jamuna tehzeeb which are just a bunch of cute words with no real basis and with countless examples against it. Could you please throw some intelligence my way on what is the basis of "brotherhood" in Telangana which my low IQ brain and ignorant experience has understood as language even across the districts.
@GK,
"two regions were and are not at the same level plain field in every aspect of properity/industry and hence the reason for leaving space for the T region. Having two states will provide focused administration and policies"
I too agree with GK on regional differences. We telugus have always been deprived level playing field in India. Andhra pradesh has always been given scanty respect by centre in all aspects.
Neighbouring states of maratha and kannada with whom we claim brotherhood(more then our own SA brothers), have always declined our share of water, to the extent of even disobyeing orders of the court and Cetral water commission.
EVen CBSE histroy and geography books have not covered AP in as much detail as they covered TN from south, depriving our historical glory a national prospect.
People from other states have taken lion share in central government jobs, BPO Call centres, IT jobs in hyderbad.
I wated to start a small shop, Marwardi community in begum bazar declined to give me fair deal on par with with thier community members.
I am deprived of all elite opportunities. Hence I decided to get into low skilled jobs like security, stewards, farmworker OR Vegetable vendor ., Now even those jobs are being grabbed by people from Bihar and UP.
My Natural Gas is being shipped to Gurarat. My cotton is being routed to TN. My state does not produce anything that I use from dawn to dusk. I depend on TN, Gujarat or some other state for my commodities.
I have now realised my opportunities grabbed more by people from neighbouring states than people from neighbouring regions. Therefore forming a seperate state is not going to solve my problems.
I THEREFORE DEMAND FOR A SEPEATE COUNTRY FOR TELANGANA which only can will provide focused administration,policies nad protecion, ON THE SAME GROUND AND REASONS AS TVADIS USE TO DEMAND A SEPERATE STATE.
Anyone there willing to buy my argument?
Do you think you have logic in your argument….it is called vithandavadam…why do we have many states in the country? A separte country is not under the constitution…cool down your emotions hopefully you will think at a higher level.
Once again I plead to my telugu brothers from A, what is that you feel you are going to lose if T state is formed? If it is HYD, Water, ….let us start talking on how we can share them legally…
Once again I demand GK what is GK thinks he would be losing if Telugu brothers stay together?
Once again to my fellow citizen, and misguided Separatists
Is it not the other way round. Why do you need anyone to provide justification for status quo. Also why is there only one solution to all problems called Seperate state for 10 districts of telangana region which were part of Hyderabad state and are currently part of Andhra pradesh ?
If you are serious about it. You need to list the problems and come-up with a win-win solution for all the stakeholders involved (i.e., all the people of Andhra Pradesh). And build majority opinion around it, in the state of Andhra pradesh. Please come up with facts and true numbers. And don't come up with half-truths and utter lies.
This is the exactly the sort of study done by SKC and have submitted a reports to GOI. I might not completly agree with the report, but am OK with GOI going ahead and implementing it. I do not know when such wisdom would dawn up on the hardcore T-separatist politicians.
To your question, what will A people lose, if seperation happens ? I am saying that this is a hypothetical question. Separation would not happen. So there is no need to answer your hypothetical questions. If I or any other United AP supporters are proven wrong, and seperation does happen, then I don't have to answer you and you don't have justify to me. What ever complaints are there, would be given to GOI. And suitable compensations/safegaurds would be sought at an appropriate time with GOI. Loss/Profit is not Static. It is dynamic. Losses/Profits have been been different in 1956. Would have been different in 1969. would have been different in 1972. would have been different in 2009. Altogether different in the future (if any such decision point arises).
And I sincerely hope that future central cabinets have better wisdom and take all decisions after going through a systematic process.
P.S: I have my own views of the pros/cons of 1956 merger/formation of AP. But all those points are totally irrelevant now. Because we are not living in 1955/6/7 now. It is 2012.
On a ligher note
We don't wish to lose the services of KCR, KTR, Harish Rao, Prof. Kondandaram, Nagam Janaradhana Reddy, D Srinivas, Vijayashanti, Kishan Reddy, Mr. Ramulu, etc.., etc..,
:-)
Seriously Speaking
I personally would agree for a new state, if you can convince all the above listed politicians to represent the remainder of AP (going forward) in the reduced AP state assembly. And never leave us to represent the new T state (if formed). For starters, they all can contest elections from the Rayalaseema, Coaster Andhra regions of AP during 2014 general elections and start striving for the development of Rayalaseema, Coastal Andhra region as they have been striving for the past several years for the development of Nizam Telangana region. Of course, it assumes that they would not be deterred if they lose one or two elections. And they would continue to actively work for Rayalaseema, Coaster Andhra regions of AP without worrying about Win or Defeat. They can leave the new T state (if formed) to be politcally administered by new (not having too much political baggage), intelligent, prudent politicians from Socially/Economically weaker sections of the T society.
Would you be able to get that ? Could you start negotiations with the above politicians on that subject ? Can you get them to agree to do that much sacrifice for acheiving T State ? If you can get atleast 2 of the first 4 listed politicians to agree to my proposal, I will, in all honesty, will start supporting T state. I won't wait for any other share in anything else to give my support to T state. BTW, this is a timebound proposal. This proposal is open for the next 2 years.
Why should we even discuss about water and HYD? What T-vadi were saying for the last decade were lies and accused Seema-Andhra's as looters.
@GK
What share Hyderabad? What gives both of you the right which does not belong to the erstwhile 8 districts of Hyderabad state? You think it is Draupadi? Find your own capitals. And let Hyderabad be expanded as in the SKC's fourth option and let it become a SAR.
@Sera:
"HPCC is a congress committee not the government to my knowledge."
SB Giri etc. were not Govt. ministers. In case you forgot, we are discussing your claim that these guys opposed Hyderabad trifurcation.
"HPCC reversing in 1954 was immoral, unethical and purely opportunistic as there was no "reversal" option open in the first signing in 1953"
Wow, don't people have a right to change their opinion? Since when do Congress resolutions become irreversible?
"kick ganga jamuna tehzeeb on its face while unethicall"
How can supporting linguistic states equated with "kicking" tahzeeb?
I will wait for you to prove SB Giri etc. opposed Hyderabad trifurcation. I am ofcourse still waiting for you to come up with one non-Telugu pro-Hyderabad UT leader.
@Ramesh:
"I might not completly agree with the report, but am OK with GOI going ahead and implementing it."
Are you OK with option 6 in its entirety without any changes please?
Have you even read the SKC report ?????
SKC team have said that there are 6 options available and 5th option is their recommendation. That's what is meant by implementing the SKC report.
SKC have not recommended the 6th option. In that case, why not 1,2,3 & 4 ?
Sorry for the confusion. I meant option 6 only.
My mistake.
@Sera:
1. Was Hyderabad separate from the 16 districts? No
2. Did Hyderabad include Mahbubnagar, Nalgonda then? No
You want not only to deny reality (Hyderabad was *one* of the eight districts) but also to claim 2 of the other 7 districts! All the best.
If you can ask for 'Hyderabad' for your 8 districts , Why can't sera ask 2 distrcits for 'Hyderabad'.
@Jai
Wow, don't people have a right to change their opinion?
If that's your stand on the 1954 reversal then sunil's answer should suffice.
Why should we even discuss about water and HYD? What T-vadi were saying for the last decade were lies and accused Seema-Andhra's as looters.
End of discussion. They also changed their opinion
@Jai
It is you who have to prove that these guys did not oppose trifurcation. Show me that proof. I will wait for that. And I am also waiting for the resolution details which were legitimately government (not congress). And as for your names I have debunked them and made clear that you were speaking lies and none of them except one had spoken publically on it and you have failed to show proof for the same.
Please provide the proof Jai of non-telugus and non-muslims supporting the telangana idea.
Anyway if you can reverse your argument from 1953 to 1954 and you see it as right then what moral authority do you have to say that seema-andhras cannot change their mind overnight.
@Jai
1. Was Hyderabad separate from the 16 districts? No
2. Did Hyderabad include Mahbubnagar, Nalgonda then? No
You want not only to deny reality (Hyderabad was *one* of the eight districts) but also to claim 2 of the other 7 districts! All the best.
You seem to think that history moves in straight lines. It does not. Your grandchildren will read different boundary lines then we will. But all shall be rationalized
Anyway for your education even India was not one country and with the same exact states that we have. So when you ask the kind of questions you ask above one is tempted to say why not have one state for every district. Let there be 500 or 1000 states. Still better why dont we all go back to all the princely states that were there before (and yeah be under a single constitution without challenging India's sovereignity). After all you people make article 3 and creation of states sound so simple as wiping whatever with a tissue paper
All the best.
Hi All,
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V3sNZtOcHmg&list=UUE5WjpOKd1RBUL922Z2_PWA&index=4&feature=plpp_video
I got this link from a friend who says that in the speech a Telangana speaker is asking to kill Rahul Gandhi and Priyanka Gandhi. Outrightly I can't believe such a thing could have been said in a public dais.
If any one of you has the time. Could you please confirm it.
It is very unfortunate that a lot of educated people of Telengana region wasting their valuable time in reading the ghetto Philosophy of Mao. These young people are totally brain washed by this unfit philosophy. It is very sorry that this misguided generation do not know the true character of Mao. Mao is a black stigma for entire humanity. He is the sole responsible for the death of 40 millions of Poor people in between 1958-1962. Please read following books to know about Mao.
1. Mao : The unknown story by Jon Halliday
2. Mao’s Great Famine by Frank Dikotter
The most of the young generation of Telengana region are being misguided by the Great Maoist of Telengana region Professor Hargopal & Company of OU & KU.
well aid mahendra. I am fully with u. the Mao philosopies have been disater. it has only tought us to blame hardworking class for our lethargy. I always tell my friends in Kaktiya university, please borrow a leaf from gujarathi and see why povery shoud strike u lifes. I wonder how people like Gaddar and his songs can sell, while we have rest of world to prove them wrong. Looks that is what is so called telangana vadam all about "To belive what is not right"
Ramesh, SKC options 5 & 6 are:
v) Bifurcation of the State into Telangana and Seemandhra as per
existing boundaries with Hyderabad as the capital of Telangana
and Seemandhra to have a new capital
(vi) Keeping the State united by simultaneously providing certain
definite Constitutional/Statutory measures for socio-economic
development and political empowerment of Telangana region –
creation of a statutorily empowered Telangana Regional
Council
Which one do you want to be implemented? If it is option 6, would you support in-toto implementation with no changes?
Apologies for the confusion.
Though I do not fully agree with SKC's recommendation.
I am OK with the GOI implementing Option 6. in-toto.
Of course, to be fair for other regions, I would expect them to have more regional councils to cover all 23 districts of Andhra Pradesh. I am not too bothered if it is 2 more or 5 more. But the regional councils should be covering all the regions of the state. Not just few districts of Andhra pradesh.
@Ramesh:
In other words, you would like option 6 implemented with additions (e.g. ARC & RRC added).
Any idea why SKC did not recommend these? They anticipated this demand but chose not to add it in the option.
"The other implication of the model proposed is that there could be similar demands for creation of such regional statutorily empowered councils in Rayalaseema, which as per our economic analysis is the most backward of the three regions, and in other backward sub-regions of the state like north coastal Andhra and the tribal areas on the northern border of the state and also in other similarly placed backward regions outside the state." (page 501).
Chakravarti & VMS are against regional councils as a concept. Not a single "integrationist" I have spoken to, read or heard agrees to option 6 in-toto without additions/changes.
@Jai
Before I answer your additional questions, can you answer a couple of simple questions ?
Would you support GOI implementing 6th Option in to-to ? How many leaders spear-heading the current movement in Nizam Telangana region support it (with some names) ?
Once I have your answers, It makes sense for me to respond to your additional questions.
@Jai
No answers ?
>>> Which one do you want to be implemented? If it is option 6, would you support in-toto implementation with no changes?
There is no need for anybody choosing any option. Present united state will continue.
Funnily T-vaadis rejected SKC report but demanded implementing option 5 offered the same report.
A year after any scope of middle path is also lost.
Let KaChaRa carry on his political agenda until he bites dust again in 2104 elections.
@Prabhakar
"There is no need for anybody choosing any option. Present united state will continue."
I Agree. One should stick to this approach and end all discussion. The separatists approach is to trap you. Like asking, 'When did you stop beating your wife'. This is a trick question. No body is looting Telangana. If you want to develop an area you have to acquire a track of land and end up living there. That is not looting. Telangana impoverished by centuries of Nizam rule has left very little to be looted. First you claim you are poor then you say you are robbed. What is there to rob the region that was emasculated by the feudal lords, both Hindu and Muslim?
Someone entering their state capital area is branded an intruder by the T-vaadis. With such twisted minds there is no use of any discussion. SKC report showed Telangana is the most developed region since the AP formation. It is economically very vibrant now. The truth is out. Rest of the state was ignored at the cost of developing Telangana. Another Telangana udyamum bites the dust.
>> I can mention several names who opposed Visalandhra in 1956: Mahadev Singh (HMS leader), T. Hayagrivachary, Puli Ramaswamy, SB Giri, BV Gurumurthy & Burgula Narsing Rao (the CM's son).
Did Hayagrivachary opposed Visalandhra? Not sure, but Interestingly the same Hayagrivachari who did the chairman of telangana regional coucil had opposed the separate telangana movement in 1969. He issued a statement along with Swami Ramananda saying the separatists movement is not appropriate.
@GK
“Do you think you have logic in your argument….it is called vithandavadam…why do we have many states in the country? A separte country is not under the constitution…cool down your emotions hopefully you will think at a higher level”
Since you can’t reply with same logic as was my comment, you brush it off with some scanty remarks.
Please learn to give credit to others about awareness on fundamentals of constitutional provisions. My sarcastic remark (proposing a separate country for telangana) is make you aware how meaning less it is to ask for separate state when the cause of your problem is not fellow region in the state but a fellow state, which will still remain even if you form a new state
This is a naked fact that people from other states are reaping more from Telangana/Hyderabad city/waters /business or other economic opportunities. People like u and just people like u might want to sideline this fact cite SA people the whole cause of your problems.
I remember, KCR’s remarks “ SA people belong to demon clout, these people are now claiming their rights on Hyderabad. These people also claimed Madras before when Tamil brother kicked them out overnight.” He conveniently forgot that, so called Tamil brothers that KCR claims have made their claims on on our Tirupathi and Vellore(they managed to grab vellore though). Those same Tamils brothers have marginalized telugus in Malaysia and southafrica, and same tamil brothers have nabbed many railway and other central government projects from Hyderabad and same Marthis brother built Babli You guys never comment on any of these. .
I know all of u know pretty well know, SA people have little share in fortunes of telangana compared to other Indians. You people have obscene/obnoxious agenda built on propagated hatred towards SA people that is making this fact opaque and you guys continue to target Andhras for all you banes, People like u deserve those days of slavery of 600 years by foreigners and your very own proclaimed brothers from neighbouring states.
God give u wisdom
@GK
Continued from above, Please ask me proofs on how people from other states are enjoying our money. I can give u industry wise facts and figures. Blindly don’t belive the SA people are only people eating into your resources/opportunities. Further try to be as humble as possible on ur comment and stop ridiculing other’s comments, by NOT WANTING TO KNOW LOGIC/FACTS. It will help your health and wealth
@globalvillage
I really am offended by your above comment. What is your problem with someone from other state or other country generating wealth legally ?
To state the obvious, no ordinary citizen is eating/enjoying someone else's money/resources/opportunities.
Yes. Our (Indian) Institutes of Governance (everyone from Government office peon to the Cabinet minister in GOI) have some fundamental issues around Corruption, nepotism. And these needs to be fought.
As long as a person is acting legally and is generating wealth for oneself (any where in India), what is your problem ? How does it matter if the persona generating the wealth is a neighbour or a person from a neighbouring state or a person from a different country. Everyone is equally entitled to earn honest money (does not matter if it is 1rupee or 1000 crore rupee). The key here is it should be honest and legal.
I am deeply infuriated with your comments globalvillage.
Its been some time that I came to the site and its nice that Ramesh has already commented on your parochial Telagana agitator like thinking.
Wealth does not grow on trees. Believe me there were days when we (what you call Hindi speaking) and my telangana neighbours were happy that someone was willing to come and buy the land we wanted to sell so that we could use the money for something we needed. And that is what I remind my telangana friends when they use the word "settler" and say they have come and bought it.
You are talking the language of T agitators. Most unfortunate.
It would be nice if you apologise.
@Sera: Very good point about land purchases. An evenmore telling example is the tribal lands. There are severe restrictions on tribal lands being sold to non-tribals. These restrictions are put in place for tribal welfare. However, these restrictions severely limit the market as there are very few buyers. A tribal who wants to sell a piece of land for a child’s marriage, a family members healthcare, or a child’s education is a victim of this “welfare” scheme as they will have to sell at a below market price. You are right on about finding a seller who can pay good money is a blessing not a curse.
Yes Chakravarthy saab. I fully get what you say. The laws they have actually force tribals to continue as tribals.
Let me share a weird story. I know this family which had some land on the Kushaguda side of the town. They sold some in the 80s which helped their child to study engineering (on donation in maharashtra) and then sold some more to finance his study in US where he works now and is successfully settled. In fact he is doing well and he has sent money back to the family which was invested in their hometown (not Hyderabad) and they now have a nice house and all.
The funny thing is that the guy in the US is a big supporter of the agitation while the old man (father) is not so enthusiastic. The old man is not against it or something but says the state will not make a difference and he does not agree with SA looting and all that propaganda. In fact he says that the son does not realise that in the 80s if they were unable to sell the land then his son would not be so well settled and he thanks the seema-andhras for buying the land.
I tell him that both of you (father and son) are wrong. Your (father) need not be thankful and the son need not feel hate. You sold for your purposes, they bought for theirs. So its fair and square. Once in such a discussion I asked the son when he was home from US a hypothetical question "What if your father did not sell the land for your education but sold it for drinking?". That was a BIG mistake. He started blasting me that even we non-telugus are in cahoots with the seema-andhras and that I was calling all of them drunkards etc and etc and etc.
I really felt that I was part of some theatre of the absurd. Sometimes I think they deliberately look for a sentence here or there to ehibit their victimness and put the other people in defence and act as if they are the ones to be sympathized with.
@Sera,
I can understand your deep rooted feelings in this poisonous atmosphere which segregates our own people in the form of Telugu, Telengana, Andhra and Non Telugu. Ongoing Telengana agitation has created deep roots scare of animosity in the minds of common people who settled in Hyderabad, irrespective of their origin, which is neither good for state nor for the nation in the long run.
During Anti Nizam agitation, the people of this region fought bravely against exploitation. During that time common man was a victim of oppressive region. After that agitation, most of those people and next generation even today feel that they are being victimizing by some outside people. Partially politicians, Leftist intellectuals of OU & KU are responsible for this impasse situation. They try to blame, particularly coastal people for their own ills. The typical self-pity nature of people of this region is also cause of this problem. They always feel that they are the victims of some unforeseen force.
If we consider population of Hyd to be 80 lakhs, assume that 40 lakhs are people from Coastal Andhra and Rayala Seema. 40 Lakhs is still less than 5% of AP's entire population of 8.5 crore people.
If people from Coastal Andhra and Rayala Seema didn't come to HYD in last 50 years, there would have been other rich communities from rest of India in HYD.
There is no way exclusively only people of Telangana would have been benefitted in HYD because where there are opportunities, people will jump in. Whoever has money will grab opportunities first and they grow more rich.
5-10% of entire population of AP in HYD is not a big deal when we compare with capitals like Mumbai/Chennai where they account for over 20-25% of entire state's population.
Some how, there is no emotional integrity between people from 2 regions in AP even after 55 years.
When there is no such emotional bonding between people and there is a system in place by teachers, professors, politicians to keep the fire on and exploit the situation, AP's problems will continue. Best thing now would be SKC's Option 4, divide the states, let everyone share and live in HYD peacefully.
Is there any state formed in India with existing state's developed capital when other regions doesn't want to get seperated?
While historically every body in AP is Andhrite, when people are seperated over 150 years and both sides forget that Andhra identity applies to entire state, I think there is no other way out unless some magical power enlightens the 8.5 crore people.
@Ramesh and Sera
I don’t care if you have not understood my comments in their entirety. I don’t owe any apology .
My comments were doing their best to attempt to prove that, the cause of T movement is not stemming out from concern for resources/business and job opportunities lost by T people in general but opportunities lost to Andhra people alone. Looks they have no objection if jobs/business opportunities are grabbed by non-locals other than SA People.
To prove my point I have used examples on how opportunities in whatever form(jobs/ resources/business etc.) by what ever means(legal or illegal) that have been grabbed by Non-local from other than SA origin have never been mentioned by single T leader.
That is what their leader like KCR quite often makes it clear.
He never mentions about non SA people building their businesses in T region but is grossly worried if about few me Andhra business houses expand their operation in Telangana ( he always cites bommana and chandana)
He absolutely has no problem when Maharashtra even builds gates on babli contrary to order of supreme court but will give up his life to stop water to be sent to Andhra.
He does not mind thousands of jobs being grabbed by non-locals who are non SA, but can kill himself if even if 2000 jobs are taken by SA people. He does not mind if Tamils claims Tirupathi and vellore but will not hesitate to redicule SA people as Kiri-kiri people if they had claimed madras during Andhra formation.
Can u see how lopsided is their Concern for T people. That is what all my comments attempt bring out. The foundation for T movement is made by spinning hatred for SA people than good intentions of building Telangana.
Since Tvadis like GK consider enterprenural, acamdemic andprofessinal advancements of non-locals as oppression and clinching of opportunities of T people, Forming a separate state will not help since SA people might stop(though not under constitution) but other non-locals will still continue their endeavours in the new state. That means oppression ( as perceived by T people ) will continue.
If you have not still understood my point, god help your intelligence and logic relive u guys from pseudo – proclaimed broad mindedness.
By the way Sera, how do u support Marwari community pledging its support to T-movment ( I saw that in TV many month back). Is their intention to marginlaise even that small competition they get from SA people in T region???
All we need is separate secretariat and assembly for the two regions, so that the politicians can focus on the big population that both regions now have when compared to 60 years ago. Both regions are have different problems and/or are at different levels in various fields. Beyond that does not make sense to talk about anything else which only promotes hatered.
Why would you not recommend 14 assemblies, Or even 23 assemblies ?
FYKI, the population of 14 districts (each seperately) is more than 7 of the existing states, 6 of the existing UTs as per 2011 census.
Sorry. 8 states (Sikkim, Mizoram, Meghalaya, Manipur, Nagaland, Arunachal pradesh, Goa & Tripura).
i.e, the population of 14 districts (each seperately) is more than 8 of the existing states, 6 of the existing UTs as per 2011 census
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@Ramesh and Sera
By the way, I tell u in detail Why I had to call your approach as pseudo-broadmindedness in my next post.
@ Globalvillage
pseudo-broadmindedness
Sounds like the pseudo-secularism that BJP talks of or the pseudo-intellectualism that KTR blames Jayaprakash Narayan of Lok Satta for.
Its my request that you do not degenerate to those levels globalvillage. I have seen better posts from you
I get the vantage point that you are coming from when you singled out KCR and TRS. But what I want you to understand is that it is a trap that you and many of my friends are also falling into (the few marwaris that you mentioned for instance). The issue is that KCR and TRS has drawn out a kid of field and position where your instincts make you argue like him and then he capitalises on that and says "look I told you these seema-andhras dont belong to our ganga jamuna tehzeeb". Why do you thing he brings things like the Andhras wanted Madras and they were kicked out and asked to leave in 24 hours or biryani like gobbar. It may sound insulting to you. Methinks the strategy is deeper. It is actually for our consumption – i mean the consumption of telanganites and non-telugus living in telangana. He is sort of trying to build a position to say that Telangana people are more cosmopolitan and seema-andhras are parochial. He has to because telangana areas is essentially diverse – linguistically and otherwise – so he looks for a common enemy (seema-andhras). You are falling into that trap.
I don't want to get dragged into it globalvillage. And I hope that you also don't.
Like I said many times before I have relatives from both sides of the region (in fact all sides would be more appropriate if I were to include the bidar and aurangabad areas) and I have never seen this kind of divide and feelings just even 2 years ago (and this I am saying even after KCR started his party). It is Chidambaram and co who should be prosecuted for all this.
>>> Both regions are have different problems and/or are at different levels in various fields.
Same old argument.
Problems are not common within a region either.
Fluorosis is specific to Nalgonda dist only.
Irrigation on Krishna is totally different from that on Godavari.
The list will be endless.
Hatred does not stop even if state is divided into 25.
One cant blame minorities – linguistic or religious for taking the positions they did. basically minorities in telangana support it and minorities in seemandhra oppose. As minorities its in their interest not to provoke reaction from expremists in the majority.
However where minorities are in sufficient numbers to speak their own mind without being threatened by Majority they seem to favour the security and progressive style of united AP – like Muslims in Hyderabad.
To substantiate what sera said earlier, here are some facts:
Alwal was a very prosperous village, with very good lands and ground (wells) water just on the northern edge of Secunderabad. They used to consider their cousins and relatives in parched areas like Manikonda, Balapur, Attaput, kokapet unfortunate souls.
Today, only thanks to the so called 'settlers' settling in hitherto unsettles or sparsely settled areas, the land prices in Manikonda, Jubilee Hills, Kokapet and Attaput are sky high whereas the agriculturists of Alwal almost remained where they were 50 years ago.
If the original inhabitants of Kokapet or Manikonda or their US educated children hate SAs, what can we say except that they are sub-humans, unable and impervious to reason?
@Neutral
This is what it means when I heard that Lambadi's in Hyderabad/Telangana are going around in BMWs.