Telangana Rashtra Samiti (TRS), Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) and Nagam Janardhan Reddy must be congratulated for their recent hard-fought victory in the by-elections. Yes, the winning candidates spent a lot of money; but, so did the losing parties.
Like in every other election, TRS contested on a single issue platform of a separate state. TRS claimed that they are the only genuine party representing all those people aspiring for a separate state and accused Congress and TDP of deceiving the people on the issue of separation. Congress and TDP were on the defensive from the get-go on the issue of separation.
At this juncture, it is an open secret that Congress Party is not in favor of division. However, the national leadership lacks courage to state its position publicly. They could also be wary of a possible Jagan-KCR tie up. Congress Party’s inability to come out openly against division should be a concern for all integrationists. It could mean that Congress Party is capable of using this issue for electoral gains, yet again!
TDP is also seen by most people as either indifferent to division or against division. Therefore, in my view, those that voted for TDP or Congress could not have separation as their primary criterion when voting.
Given this scenario, there are a couple of encouraging elements that integrationists can take comfort in, despite separatists’ victory.
Firstly, the BJP angle- the rumblings from Mahbubnagar is that BJP used both the community and the communal card to steal the TRS vote. Going forward, a strengthening BJP will continue to steal more votes from TRS than from Congress or TDP. Division of the separatist vote does not bode well for TRS. If BJP and TRS enter into an alliance down the road, it will result in TRS losing Muslim support. Such a tie would only strengthen the argument that MIM has been making for many years on the issue of separation- that in a separate state BJP would emerge as a stronger party.
Second and more encouraging aspect is the erosion of vote for parties that have clearly stood for separation. In the year 2010, when by-elections were held for 12 seats, TRS raked in 66.26% of the vote. In the just finished by-election TRS got 45.39% vote including Nagam Janardhan Reddy’s votes. Even if BJP’s vote is added to the total, the percentage votes received comes to 50.05%. To the contrary, Congress and TDP which have been dilly-dallying on the issue of separation gained votes. In 2010 by-elections, Congress got 18.70% votes and TDP got 7.22%. In this election both the parties strengthened and got 23.74% and 19.22% respectively. Both the parties appear to have gained at the expense of TRS.
Yes, while TRS won in 5 of the 6 seats it contested in, integrationists can take a little bit of comfort in dwindling TRS support among the voters. A strengthening BJP will also alienate Muslims and accordingly weaken TRS. We have to wait till the next election to see how things play out. Clearly, the separatist issue is not going away anytime soon.
@bellaryredu:
"And why do you want to go to Karimnagar. Does it even have your regional name. It is named by the Nizam rulers"
So what is the big deal? All cities are named by the rulers. How does a name become better just because the king was a Telugu speaking tyrant instead of an Urdu speaking one?
Going by your logic, TN should change Hosur to Puzhiyoor. Is this what you want?
You are absolutely true, a tyrant is tyrant irrespective of his lineage. But at the same time you should also know the true history of Telengana region during so called divine rule of Nizam. It is not as divine as you are trying to present. Please go through the medieval history of India. I shall be happy, if you name few places of Telengana regions which were forcefully changed by so called Telugu speaking tyrants. But vice versa is true.
By learning few words of Deccani Urdu, if you think that that is your ‘Tehzib’’ then only god can save you and T vaadis. For you, Persians and Iranians may be your own brothers. But, for us, Telugu speaking Indians, they were intruders.
Here no one is asking to change the existing names, but at least try to know about the places ( names ) which symbolizes tyranny perpetuated on Indians by foreign intruders.
@jai
I find people asserting special privileges on grounds that like "this is my own capital" or "my language is the official state language". They go to the extent of castigating other residents with "why don't these guys not speak Telugu/Marathi" or calling them "outsiders" etc.
dont you think calling people from other regions as 'settlers' is more offensive than calling 'outsiders'??
"dont you think calling people from other regions as 'settlers' is more offensive than calling 'outsiders'??"
Please don't mix it up. ప్రశ్నకు ప్రశ్న జవాబు కాదు.
ప్రశ్న కి సలహా జవాబు
"Is there anything wrong if someone belong to a particular state, calling its capital as my state’s capital?"
No as long as you don't claim special rights over others.
"You must 1st digest the fact that Indian states formed on linguistic basis"
Yes. This leads to funny cases where a guy from Bellary (an "outsider") appears to identify more with AP ("his own language") than Karnataka ("his own state").
>> No as long as you don’t claim special rights over others.
Its a known fact who is claiming spl rights over hyd.
>> This leads to funny cases
so quickly u found he is identified more to AP. Take a bow to ur intelligentsia. We find similar funny cases sloganeering Jai karnataka from hyd.
First, they encouraged suicides by making a show demo in Sidhipet in Nov 2009. Then they instigated. . Then they exaggerated the numbers. Then they falsified (proof: Hindu report). Now, they are going around T to tell the youth not to commit suicides. In addition, they are saying "burn those who are stumbling blocks to T rather than burning yourself". This is a direct call to violence. Someone could take a cue and make some silly attempts on Lagadapati or KS Rao or even softer targets like Parakala Prabhakar or Nalamotu Chakravarty.
There is no quick end to this evil, it looks like.
Kodandaram takes the opportunity to preach Maoist ideology – he says, people have expressed, they have voted, they have agitated for T, but its not coming. It shows that democracy has failed. So, if democracy fails, what option is left to the people? He leaves it unanswered deliberately. He means to say that militant action is the only option left. So join the Maoists and launch militant struggle – this is his unstated advice. He thus fulfills his duty towards Maoists who put him in the position of Convener of JAC in the first place.
And some of our bloggers are too innocent to see through the diabolical schemes.
"దొంగ వెధవ.. ఇక్కడ ఉంటూ ఇరాని ఛాయ్ తాగడు. షారుక్ సినిమాలు చూడడు. బతుకమ్మ ఆడడు. ఆంధ్ర మీల్స్ తింటాడు"
Not doing these is OK but why despise those who do? A prominent Telugu blogger wrote a post castigating the practice of Irani hotels serving several samosas and taking back the unused. He possibly does not know this is common in other places too but is quick to label Irani hotels "unhygienic".
Its ONE blogger’s observation. I didn’t find anything wrong with it. you may find urself andhra mess are unhygienic. Do everyone laud the samosas in Irani hotels just bcoz they are part of great cultural heritage called telangana?
కోడి గుడ్డు మీద ఈకలు, బోడి గుండు మీద వెంట్రుకలు పీకే ప్రయోగాలు ఎందుకు?
So, Are you now going to say, what one should like and what one should dislike, in order for them to have the right to live in Hyderabad and be called a Hyderabadi.
So, If one does not like charminar Or Osmania University or Masab Tank or Irani Hotel or Hyderabadi Biryani, that person is not a Hyderabid ? Duh !!!! I am sure that you are going to supply me with the relevant GO number or Assembly/Parliament Act numbers or IPC numbers to support your guidelines.
Let me repeat it again for you.
At the maximum, you can control who enteres your home. And at times, you might even not be even able to control that also. (eg., Law Enforcement agencies entering your home with proper warrants issued by a Magistrate. They will enter your home, even if you do not like it).
Regarding the Blogger, who did not like Irani hotels. He did not run any hate campaigns against Irani hotels. Compare that with the kind of Goebbles like propaganda that you and your dear party is spreading over the last 10-12 years. Please stop your hate campaign. One day this hatred might consume yourself.
@nuetral
kodandaram is instigating the youth to create the mayhem of 1969.
if you look at yesterday's namaste telangana newspaper which reports the sucide note left by vinod kumar goud in which he says samaikhyavadis and andhra leaders should be chased away from telangana and hyderabad in that way there should be bloodshed.this is the height of brainwash done by these t-vadis to telangana youth.In addition to this the newspaper is indirectly giving indications to the youth to advocate violence
http://www.namasthetelangaana.com/News/article.asp?category=1&subCategory=2&ContentId=93441
if they want violence to happen they dont hesitate to assault chakravarthy garu too who happens to be them from their region.
to the admin: there is some thing problem my ccomments are not displayed
@jai “దొంగ వెధవ.. ఇక్కడ ఉంటూ ఇరాని ఛాయ్ తాగడు. షారుక్ సినిమాలు చూడడు. బతుకమ్మ ఆడడు. ఆంధ్ర మీల్స్ తింటాడు”
Not doing these is OK but why despise those who do? A prominent Telugu blogger wrote a post castigating the practice of Irani hotels serving several samosas and taking back the unused. He possibly does not know this is common in other places too but is quick to label Irani hotels “unhygienic’
a great leader commented andhra people’s biriyani is like gober.
@Sera
"This discussion is entirely different from the dislike non-telugus discussions."
You are probably missing the discussions in Telugu language sites & media. The "Telugu only" crowd are strong, vocal & assertive.
The focus on language is the crux of the raison d'etre for AP. Chakravarthy's arguments are in part based on his "Telugu roots". CPM support to unity is based on "democracy in greater andhra".
This is why we see a chorus on Telugu e.g. posts claiming 18 crore Telugus, movements for Telugu being recognized as a classical language, TV programs complaining about a Hindi speaker becoming Miss Hyderabad etc. There are blogs with the mission of "promote Telugu as an official language" (sic!)
The drum beating Telugu jingoism is raising its decibel levels. The anti-Telangana "movement" of December 10-23 used harsh rhetoric against non-Telugus with unparliamentary language-specific invectives against PC, Moily & Pillai. SA patron Lagadapati released ads against Telangana formation: the "Telugu patriotic" number showered choice abuse against Tamils.
In other words, this is not the same as the "different and universal issue" you refer to.
Gottimukkala, lol at ur gambol to scare him by bringing up an hypothetical demon which would become a threat to non telugu society. You wrote all the non sense and in the last line concluded both are same. This is like writing a cow story. Please put an end to these kuppigantulu. It is boring to see the same non sense under different user names.
@ Jai
in this issue.
Did check that song out now with a staff of mine. There is no Tamil mentioned or even any invectives (at least the way I understand something called abuse).
Of course there seems to be a lot of Jingoism which is not uncommon to identity politics I guess but the Jingoism is positive, The only negative phrase (maybe from your understanding) is when the lyrics say "don't build walls" or something to that effect.
I still don't get this post of yours. If it is true then it is bad. But I am unable to find anything to reasonably belive it. Sorry but I have come to treat everything with mistrust (that is my first reaction like buyer beware
Could you provide a bit more info. As far as the comment of Babu on Chidambaram goes I don;t think it was hatred or invective. Anyway it is now clear that Chidambaram did not have the cabinet's approval or even the congress party approval to make that statement. On that count he definitely deserves an abuse (from a constitutional stand point that is).
My question still is why did KCR and late Jayshankar agree to such a statement which they knew was infeasible and of course why did Chidambaram make it when he had no sanction from the party or the union cabinet.
Even an idiot like me (I mean in terms of lack of political experience/expertise) would predict that it would lead to chaos which it has led to.
And now see the rise of BJP and Owaisi now accuses KCR for deliberatley allowing BJP to win. I mean this Telangana agitation had become a lunatic paradise. Follow this speech of Owaisi: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AMOLqal72ho (Note: The early part is Urdu, don't switch it off. Later Owaisi speaks in English).
@ Jai
with and not even in of those "high moments of drink" did this tangent ever come up. And mind you, I have hosted and been in parties in the last two years in which I have witnessed some high pitched arguments from both sides. But never did I come across what you mentioned.
The anti-Telangana "movement" of December 10-23 used harsh rhetoric against non-Telugus with unparliamentary language-specific invectives against PC, Moily & Pillai. SA patron Lagadapati released ads against Telangana formation: the "Telugu patriotic" number showered choice abuse against Tamils.
I am unaware of this. Could you tell what was the unparliamentary language used and what was the choice abuse against Tamils (and why Tamils of all people). And was this like used vis-a-vis against Hyderabadi Tamils or other Hyderabadi non-telugus.
I am missing something here. Or maybe I missed something. I did follow the news during that period you mentioned and never came across anything against specifically Hyderabadi non-telugus whatever there language. And I have enough friends and relatives whom I share a dine & wine
I also had that Lagadapatis song roughly translated to me and maybe the translator missed some part as a pure internal defence mechanism. Were there any terms that were abusive to non-telugus or tamils. I thought it like praised telugu culture and said unity is strength or something to that effect if my memory serves me right.
Jai. Could you throw a bit more light?
PS: Anyway could someone throw a youtube link to the "Telugu patriotic song" and I will have it translated by a good friend or one of my staff.
Sera, it is this person’s usual tactics to hand pick or selectively quoting things. The exact anguish among some leaders and people are “Since Chidambaram is a tamilian (though HM) he did not understand the sentiments of people who wants the state to be united.” yes. He took the decision despite the then chief minister outrightly rejected the possibility of getting the majority vote to the telangana bill in assembly. At the same time, he quoted the idea of dividing tamilnadu should be nipped in the bud.
Btw.. between dec 10-23, they neither attacked tamil(dubbed) movies, tamil hotels or stopped buses to TN or issued tamil bhaago statements. Those who found no issues with such behavior are worrying a lot about promoting telugu language in their own state and scaring of its dangerous trends.
At one instance the TDP fire brand politician Nannapaneni Rajakumari happen to said against the then home secretary( who issued statements like hyderabad will become the capital of telangana) “I will slap pillai.. who is he to issue statements on hyderabad”? The motivation behind is his name rhymes with word pallu.(teeth in telugu, so she said pillai pallu ralakodata). contrary to Our Jai’s masala, none of the statements are issued against tamils, kannadigas or keralites.
Remember, the so called integrationists have so much appreciation to the governer (another tamilian) who is sending the realistic picture of this fake movement to the center.
btw.. If you are looking for the song “Maa telugu talliki” here is the link.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pVYKrO-mqps&feature=related
@satya garu @sera garu
SA patron Lagadapati released ads against Telangana formation: the "Telugu patriotic" number showered choice abuse against Tamils.
i think jai is referring to the song "oree telugu vaada" sung by ghazal srinivas i request you to post the link as my net connection is too slow to open the link.
oh.. here is the link.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bk3oOouYn9M
70 percent of main Telangana Inciters, Professors, Communists, Activists, Educationists, Politicians, Writers, Journalists, Poets in the movement
Brahmins
Prof.Haragopal (most likely Marathi-Telugu background have you ever seen this guy complain about Nizam not treating Marathi Brahmins in posts rightly), This person keeps quoting Brahmin of Rayalaseema Balagopal who it seems gave him a mantra of how to trouble other Telugu people of other regions. He keeps saying Cultural Dominance of seemandhras. He is not able to digest the hardwork of seemandhras. He is a naxal mediator also. Inciter in OU, UofHyd. Namasthe Telangana Editor
Varavara Rao, He is a naxal mediator also.
Chukka Ramayya (have you ever seen him cry about Narayana and Sri Chaitanya Institutions),
Prof.Ghanta Chakrapani also Namasthe Telangana Editor
Duddila Sridhar Babu (father was a politician too),
Devulapalli Amar (have you ever seen him cry about non-existent Gunturpalle in warangal, whereas it is ok to have Adilabad, Nizambad, Hyderabad etc with foreigners names) , Telugu Press Chairman
Kaloji (Marathi),
Sridhar Deshpande (Marathi — have you ever seen this person lie horribly about irrigation stats)
K.Ramachandra Murthy HMTV (have you ever seen him very worried about Burgula Ramakrishnas statue, that is because Burgula was a Brahmin too his son lives in USA settler in USA)
N.Venugopal, M.Bharat Bhushan etc are all either Brahmin or some higher caste.
Velamas
Chennamaneni Vidyasagar Rao (have you seen him cry about some Turrebaz Khan and for not having his statue it is our fault, no one knew who Turrebaz Khan was until RSS of India ,
KCR (once in TDP, once opposed the Mulki stuff, made 2000 crores in T-Movement), KTR, Harish Rao, Jupally Krishna Rao, Kavitha (3 salons in hyd)
Reddys
Prof.Kodandaram (Inciter in OU), Nandini Sidda Reddy (Manjira Rachaythala Sangham), Komati Reddy, TRS DL Ravindra Reddy etc
Padmashalis Suddala Ashok Teja (got best award in Chiranjeevi movie), he is ok but still he also need T though much of his career is uplifted due to seemandhras.
Viswabrahmin Prof.Jayashankar (Inciter in KU)
Madiga/Mala Manda Krishna Madiga, Goreti Venkanna, Gaddar (this person comes out as if he is a beggar, he is a multi millionaire too), Mallepally Lakshmaih, Allam Narayana (Namasthe Telangana Editor) (his nephew was killed in US shooting, dont know what he was doing in USA other than being a student)
Aata Pavulu BC, SC, ST and other caste Students
Opposed by Muslims (have you all ever seen anyone in Telangana openly condemning Owaisi or other muslims who are the main opposers of Telangana. Salah Uddin Owaisi when alive said we will have Hyd as capital of muslims and you go and make Hanamakonda your capital. If it was YSR or CBN who said that then they would have been cursed like anything)
Others Deshapathi Sreenivas (this person man is not able to bear other Telugu people, he just wants to have his Urdu official language back)
Slow poisoning of Total Telangana Minds http//www.youtube.com/user/EtelanganaTelangana
It was initially the war against Kammas CBN, Lagadapati, etc, most of them became rich thru film, politics and agriculture. It is the war against Reddys of Rayalaseema most or all of them became rich thru politics
The other castes on either side are pavulu.
The idiots and losers of Seemandhra CBN, Jagan, Film industry, Ramoji, Lagadapati, Seemandhra people living in Telanagan and elsewhere
No one is worried about how much muslims, gujarathis, marwaris and others make by stealing. 5000 acres is occupied by Reliance Gas in Coastal belt. 100 acres is given to Agha Khan foundation. Maximum number of muslim institutions are in Hyd out of India. Owaisi is the richest Telangana person, no one wants to believe it. Brahmins Dhanwantari (though made by Brahmin of seemandhra) foundation 1600 acres in Medak to make only Brahmin Village (all brahmins of all regions) — dogs and no caste allowed it seems. Where are the list of Brahmun agitators for this. Haragopal, Ghanta, K.Ramachandra Rao where are these guys who are much worried about other castes making big in the city. Majority chunk of 45-65 yr old employees of private and govt sector are Brahmin only in Hyd. Only Hyd has 2 lakh Oriya people (who would have thought about oriyans in Hyd), lakhs of bangladeshis, lakks of Arabs, lakhs of other linguistic indians.
@ Bandababy,
I do agree with you. There are many Poisonous snakes in Telengana region, for whom ground realties does not matter. They spend most of their valuable time in spreading the poison of separatism to fulfil their own agenda.
Prof. Hargopal is a tyrant inside his mask. This Smooth spoken professor does not know the value of human life. In his measurement, a life of a Maoist is more important than a common man or Police man. He never condemned the violent activates perpetuated by Maoists on common man. There are many Ghetto intellectuals in OU and Kakitya universities, who lives in their make believe world. At no other universities of India, we find these kinds of Professors and intellectuals who spent lot of time in brain washing the mind set of innocent students. It is these kind people who did more damage to Telengana rather than so called outsiders.
Professor Jaisankar spent his entire life in spreading the loath of falsehood to his students. He could not able to succeed in the fulfilment of his nefarious agenda. Now his divine students have taken up this responsibility and in course of time they will try to burn the State. We should be prepare for a big & long fight to preserve the sanctity of our Vishala Andhra
@ Bandababy
I can recognize some of these names as Goondas who collect what they call "donations" and some also add "if you don't give you know" kind of messages. Thanks to Governor Narasimhan saab that has stopped now. But it makes one feel sad that it is a Governor whom I have to thank.
Having said that Bandbaby this sentence of yours is not really upto the spirit.
No one is worried about how much muslims, gujarathis, marwaris and others make by stealing. 5000 acres is occupied by Reliance Gas in Coastal belt.
Bandababy Saab it is not ethnic/language groups who do this but individuals as much as individuals are responsible for this agitation. Blame the indivduals and also the indivduals in power. What were yor coastal representatives doing when Relaiance gas too (take no offence. its in the same spirit that i ask the Telangana guys what there representatives were doing when they say the SO MANY things they say).
It would be nice Bandababy if yould correct/clarify the sentence above. It just sows the wrong seeds for the future and all it needs is a academic lunatic like Jayshankar and a power monger like KCR to get together and do a Telangana elsewhere..
Deshapathi Sreenivas (this person man is not able to bear other Telugu people, he just wants to have his Urdu official language back)
please ignore the previous post
satya says:
April 11, 2012 at 2:04 pm
oh.. here is the link.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bk3oOouYn9M
@jai
can you show where are your so called choicest abuses against tamils in the video.I think it cannot even compared to the songs sung by half naked baladeers hurling abuses and spreading hatred towards a particular region
One song i briefly heard coming on Raj TV .
"Pommante pova enduko valsavadi "
meaning " settler why dont u go away even when we are asking you to leave".
But as per T facists , this is not jingoism , this is T culture.
@Sera:
CB Naidu said: "PC who lives in TN & Moily who lives in Karnataka took a unilateral decision to divide AP"
Nannapaneni said: "who is he to divide AP? I will break his teeth" (using the disrespectful "వాడు" for Pillai). (Satya: The exact words were "ఆంద్ర ప్రదేశ్ విడగ్గోట్టడానికి వాడెవడు? పళ్ళు రాలగొడతా")
Lagadapati's song (oyi telugu vaadaa) calls Tamils "enemies" (దాయాదులు: a term that is used to describe inimical cousins).
There are just some samples from the dozens of instances on TV & hundreds on the Internet after December 10.
The theme drummed up was PC being Tamil wanted to spirit away projects to his state. Hence he conspired to divide AP.
Why Tamils? Another reason is the lingering bitterness of the dispute over Madras city. When Potti Sreeramulu was resurreteced as a hero overnight on December 10, Tamils became side villians. Jingoists need both an internal and an external enemy for their flag waving antics!
Our friends on this forum try to soften this. Satya is now reinterpreting PC's "conspiracy" as "did not understand the sentiments of people who wants the state to be united". He falsely claims "He took the decision" as if PC (not the committee) took a decision. Chakravarthy wrote a post claiming the PM was out of town (hinting PC took the opportunity of MMS absence to implement his private agenda to split the Telugus).
Linguistic virus is everywhere. When a principal punished a child for speaking in Telugu, a "pro-Telugu" called it an insult to the language while being silent on the bigger issue of corporal punishment. Blogs & media reports on imagined slights (don't we deserve even a single movie award? why is Govt. celebrating Tagore centenary but not Gurajada, why did a girl who does not speak Telugu selected as Miss Hyderabad etc.) are the order of the day.
Right on this page, there is a commenter saying "No one is worried about how much muslims, gujarathis, marwaris and others make by stealing". This individual also rakes up alleged Marathi roots of Haragopal & Kaloji. Bellaryredu objects to the name Karimnagar but is OK with a TN town having a Kannada name. A fan objects to comments in Devanagari with "Who are these guys contributing in Hindi/udru". Chakravarthy & ilk go ad nauseum about how Telugus were slighted by Marathis & Marwaris in the Nizam days.
Some of my neighbors drive 2 km for grocery shopping instead of "giving business to an outsider".
This is not limited to Andhras alone. Many Telangana Telugus are equally infected. Chukka Ramayya for instance calls for compulsary Telugu medium while running English language coaching schools.
Make no mistake. This is not a fringe but the very crux of AP. We don't see alarm bells being raised because there is no Thackeray or Vatal leading this. There is a deep rooted & all permeating underswell instead.
@Gottimukkala,
Does CB Naidu said anything against tamils or kannadigas or given any call for attack on these groups?
Nannapaneni said against Pillai the home secretary. She did not said anything against keralites. btw. could you give the link of the video, to get clarified on what exactly she said.
Dayadulu means enemies??????? It means cousins. (అన్నదమ్ముల బిడ్డలు) It is a word that used in day to day telugu conversation to represent Ones father’s brother’s sons. btw.. if using vaadu, is a disrespectful (indeed) word and a concern of growing “telugu jingoism” can you explain this behavior of telangana facism. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=znZZeAlo-dI
can you show other dozens of examples where Lagadapati or CB Naidu or Nannapaneni or any other political groups from andhra made hate speeches against tamils or kannadigas or keralites?
I repeat, never in samaikyavadi movement of Dec 10-23 there are verbal or call for physical attacks on tamils or kannadigas or keralites by any politicians from andhra and seema areas.
>> Our friends on this forum try to soften this.
It is not me trying to soften. It is you trying to make a mountain out of a mole hill. (Like she used “Vaadu” against pillai).
>> When a principal punished a child for speaking in Telugu, a “pro-Telugu” called it an insult to the language while being silent on the bigger issue of corporal punishment
Gottimukkala, unlike in western society, our culture taught us “A guru punishing a student is ok and at times desirable…” That is why there won’t be any hue and cry over this corporal punishment except in cases when it took to some ugly levels. May be your view will differ if a north-indian kid speaks in hindi in a telugu medium school gets punishment. (Unimaginable though). In ur “Jai karnataka” see ur kannada rakshna vedike goondas achievements.
http://indiatoday.intoday.in/video/Non-Kannada+students+attacked+in+Mysore/1/50251.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karnataka_Rakshana_Vedike
>> This is not limited to Andhras alone. Many Telangana Telugus are equally infected.
I will go a step further. This is not limited too Andhra pradesh or so India.. I witnessed some of the north indians ridicule southern language and culture and demand hindi should be the language everywhere. Similarly Malayalees hate tamil and vice versa. Greeks refer non-greeks as barbarians. British make fun of american accent. and Americans ridicule british traditions. And both make fun of Indian call center enligh. I found an interesting survey where India ranked 2nd in racism, linguistic chauvinism and other such intolerances.,
link: http://davidemanuelandersson.wordpress.com/2009/04/20/racism-xenophobia-linguistic-chauvinism-and-religious-intolerance-around-the-world/
This is the reason why Sera asked u to avoid ur antics of mixing these with T issue(a political one). You may still ignore the advice.
@Andhra:
1. I think Raj TV is a Tamil channel. You must be refering to T-news.
2. The term "వలసవాది" means "colonial exploiter" or "carpet bagger", not settler.
3. The author may be a Naxalite (or fellow traveler), please check. Can a Naxalite also be a fascist?
4. If Telugu jingoism justified because of T-vadi jingoism?
@Jai
Then we have to Educate Telengana Intellectuals and Leaders about the meaning of ‘Valasavadulu’, who uses this word number of times since morning to evening during their hate propaganda against coastal and Seema people. Please, understand that coastal and Seema people are neither ‘’Colonial Exploiters” nor ‘Carpet Beggars’.
In Ideology, they are (Maoists) Naxalites but in behavior they are like a Italian fascists, who bulldoze any one who oppose their views.
Mate. You either need Telugu classes or Telugu Dictionary. If you don't know something, just say so. Don't invent/imagine something on the fly.
1. Valasavadi does not mean 'Colonial exploiter' or 'Carpet Bagger'. The closest word in in English is 'Migrant'.
2. 'Dayadulu' – relation between Children of father's Brother - 'Kauravas' and 'Pandavas' are 'Dayadulu' because their respective fathers ('Dhritarashtrudu' , 'Pandu Raju') are brothers. They being enemies is a totally different matter.
@ Jai, If you don't know something. It is ok. Say so. Don't imagine/invent something on the fly.
'Valasavadi' – closest english word for it is Migrant. It does not mean
"Colonial Exploiter"or "Carpet Bagger".@A. MAHENDRA:
"At no other universities of India, we find these kinds of Professors and intellectuals who spent lot of time in brain washing the mind set of innocent students."
Looks like you never heard of left wing professors in JNU, ANU etc. కొంచం బావిలోంచి బయటికి రండి సార్!
Why dont you name one prof , instead of making a sweeping statement.
You Sir , should take your head out of the gutter that is Tvadam
@Jai
True, from hey days of Socialist Nehru rule, the JNU & ANU is filled with the intellectuals of Leftists. But it is also true that they never stoop down to levels of Intellectuals of OU & Kakatya University as they are doing right now by doing great segregation of their own people.
@ Jai
You are a facist like the author of that song.
Telugu jingoism if at all exists will not be even 0.01% of TG jingoism.
FYI , Naxalites are facists . A facist is someone who doesnt believe in accepting other view points ,does not believe in democarcy and will use violence for his goals. Just like T vadis
@A. MAHENDRA:
"For you, Persians and Iranians may be your own brothers. But, for us, Telugu speaking Indians, they were intruders."
Firstly they are not Persians or Iranians (means the same in any case), they are as much Indians as you & I. Secondly Telugus, Marwaris, Tamils are all our brothers: no one is more important than the other. Thirdly a tyrant is a tyrant irrespective of his language or origin. Fourthly no one can be called names just because "his" people were oppressors.
Will you apply the Karimnagar logic to Hosur or Tirupati? These names are also non-local language tags. Why this kolavari against Hindi/Urdu names only?
@A. MAHENDRA:
"In Ideology, they are (Maoists) Naxalites but in behavior they are like a Italian fascists": Please! Mao will shake in his grave
"they never stoop down to levels of Intellectuals": The question was about "brainwashing", not levels of "stooping". BTW using the classroom to spread ideology is not an exclusive preserve of leftists. Dr. Katti Padma Rao for instance uses his stature as a teacher to further his dalit advocacy.
@ Jai,
Who bothers weather Mao’s is shaking in his grave or not ? Because he already sent 50 millions of his own people in to grave ( between 1959 -1961) But fact remains that our Telengana brothers have put their legs in two different shoes ( Maoism & Fascism ) at a time and preparing new agenda for T land.
@ Jai,
Who bothers weather Mao’s is shaking in his grave or not, Because he already sent 50 millions of his own people in to grave ( between 1959 -1961) But fact remains that our Telengana brothers have put their legs in two different shoes ( Maoism & Fascism ) at a time and preparing new agenda for T land.
@ Jai,
Who bothers weather Mao’s is shaking in his grave or not, Because he already sent 50 millions of his own people in to grave ( between 1959 -1961) But fact remains that our Telengana brothers have put their legs in two different shoes ( Maoism & Fascism ) at a time and preparing new agenda for T land.
@ Jai,
As far as the names of places are concerned, let us maintain status quo. We are not supposed to antagonize any one at this juncture. But at the same time please know the about the violent history of Nizam Telengana( Ruled by our Persian brothers) while attributing new Islamic names to those old historical places. Please speak something about that golden era. We will be happy.
"We are not supposed to antagonize any one at this juncture" (italics mine)
Meaning postponing the renaming spree to a later juncture?
"violent history of Nizam"
Did I call it a golden era? Were the doras Muslims?
"attributing new Islamic names to those old historical places" (italics mine)
Which historical places? Did Karimnagar, Mahboobnagar & Adilabad towns exist before?
We have the state of AP for the last 55+ years. It has been good 29 years since NTR won the election on 'Telegu Atmaguaravam'. How many cities, towns, villages have been renamed by the GOI of AP.
Don't start goebbles propaganda based on imaginary problems.
BTW, What is the guarentee that name changes won't happen if BJP/TRS comes to power in the new state formed by bifurcation fo the state of AP ? They are blatantly using hatred against Telugus/Andhras. Can you guarentee that none of the Telugu named towns/villages would be renamed in the honour of leftist Intellectuals ?
During the same period, Bombay has become Mumbai, Bengalore has become Bengaluru, Madras has become Chennai, Calcutta has become Kolkota, Orissa has become Odisha… I hope that you get the point.
@Andhra:
"FYI , Naxalites are facists"
You deserve a Ph.D in political science for this new definition
"A facist is someone who doesnt believe in accepting other view points ,does not believe in democarcy"
Like Parakala claiming a majority of Telangana people support status quo?
Like Andhra calling a total stranger "fascist" merely because he disagrees with your views?
@Satya:
The post was about culture, not chai or hygiene. He also claims there were very few meals restaurants in those days. He went silent when I pointed out 7-8 within walking distance.
His intention was not so subtle. The usual "Hyderabad was backward & uncultured till we developed it".
Am I getting this right ??
Because some one does not like Irani Hotels and that person does not know where the restaurents are, he is belittling the Telangana Culture.
Are you and TRS teams so fragile ? Looking at all the clips of T "Peaceful" agitations and the "very mild" language that TRS leaders use, I did not think so. You and the TRS teams seem to exhibit a much more 'machismo' facade.
And in any way, shape or form, does that criticism of hyderabad irani hotels justify a separate state ? If so, should the seperate state be for 'Hyderabad' city itself or places that have Irani hotels only? I did not see any irani hotels in hi-tec city or Siddipet or Mahaboobnagar.
@Sera: please ask your translator to look at the phrase starting "dayaadula baarinundi" (दायादुला बारि नुंडी) in the song "Oyi Teluguvada" (ओई तेलुगु वाडा). The term "dayadulu" means inimical cousins (e.g. Kauravas & Pandavas are dayadulu). The cleverly worded lyrics say something like "We got this state by saving it from our enemies".
Not just kauravas and Pandavas. Even Abhimanyu ang Ghatothkacha are daayaadulu.
@Sera: Please see the Hindu story on "Telangana youth urged not to commit suicide". The appeal includess the text "The mark of true courage, and of a correct moral compass to touch the conscience of the people of this great nation, is to relentlessly fight for the political rights of the people of Telangana. Suicide by a youngster is an abandonment of that fight, it reduces the strength of the movement".
You may be interested in the number of non-Telugu opinion leaders who signed the appeal (Dr. Majid Khan, Justice Upendralal Waghray, Justice Sardar Ali Khan & P.M. Bhargava etc.)
I am still waiting for you to reveal one non-Telugu pro-UT name. Lagta hai intezar ka phal meetha hoga?
Then why are the same people glorifying each and every unnatural death ?
@jai
inguistic virus is everywhere. When a principal punished a child for speaking in Telugu, a "pro-Telugu" called it an insult to the language while being silent on the bigger issue of corporal punishment. Blogs & media reports on imagined slights (don't we deserve even a single movie award? why is Govt. celebrating Tagore centenary but not Gurajada, why did a girl who does not speak Telugu selected as Miss Hyderabad etc.) are the order of the day.
@jai
do you justify tamils opposing hindi as the national language and giving threats to people talking in hindi??
do you justify shivasena's boss bal tachkery criticisng sachin tendulkar when sachin said he was an indian first then a marathi?
do you justify mns targetting north indians??
it is a crime for jai that telugus forums discuusing about telugu language and its promotion where as marathis,tamils and others have their own organizations and assault people who dont speak their language
u r leaving no stone unturned to portray andhras as linguistic jingoists and telangana people have linguistic harmony
if andhras are linguistic jingoists then why do t-writers keep writing 'nizam palana lo telangana prajalu vari mathru basha lo chaduvukune adhrustam kooda ledu' .
@jai
if abusing pc,moily and pilai is hatred against tamils
'telangana vale jaago andhra vale bago' is against andhra people not against andhra leaders
"Pommante pova enduko valsavadi " is also against andhra people not against exploiters
then telangana movement is against andhra people is justifed
@Satya:
Did I say there was violence or hate speech against Tamils or Keralites? I stand by what I said (the decision was passed off as a linguistic conspiracy to benefit TN & spite AP).
శత్రుత్వం లేని బంధాలని దాయాదులు అనడం సాధారణం కాదు. మీకు ఈ విషయం తెలిసీ బుకాయిస్తున్నారని నా నమ్మకం. అలాగే "తెలుగు దేశాన్ని విడగ్గోట్టాలని అరవోల్ల కుట్ర" అని కోడై కూసిన రాగం మీకు వినిపించలేదా?
Vatal or KRV are fringe elements who don't represent the mainstream of Karnataka, a state that celebrates RK Narayan, Mallikarjun Mansoor & Rahul Dravid. Nor do their antics represent a sustained campaign by the establishment.
I am going offline now and will take up the thread next week once I am back. I am very glad we are discussing these and not in a state of mourning as suspected yesterday though.
>> the decision was passed off as a linguistic conspiracy to benefit TN & spite AP
Yes. The manner in which the statement was announced
a) without consulting the UPA allies.
b) without assessing the actual situation in the state. Neither the HM nor any of his representatives came to state to identify ground level realities and gauge the mood of the people.
c) The statement was made after a core committee meeting of congress party and not even a cabinet meeting was arranged prior to it.
d) PM who just returned from Russia trip may not fully aware of proceedings happen so far and PC completely mishandled it.
e) Last but not last, The statement was made even without the knowledge of state’s Chief minister even he is part of the meeting. And Rosaiah clearly confirmed him the bill would not get a majority vote and he is not in a position to introduce it.
All these were discussed at length in the previous posts and in the article “It is time to Chidabaram to go..”. (Not in a mood to go in cycles). In-spite of all these he passed the statement which raised a quick suspicion on his credentials.
Not only this, some people felt it is a conspiracy of congress to check CBN and Jagan..
>>తెలుగు దేశాన్ని విడగ్గోట్టాలని అరవోల్ల కుట్ర” అని కోడై కూసిన రాగం మీకు వినిపించలేదా?
ఏ కోడి కూసింది? ఏ రాగం లో కూసింది? The major allegation is on congress party and PC but not on aravollu. Remember, both Karunanidhi and Jayalalitha criticized PC’s mishandling of the issue and called it as a hasty decision. Btw.. The Governer, another tamilian has indirectly supported the cause of United AP by providing factual data on this fake movement. So it is anybody’s foolishness to attribute the conspiracy(if any) to entire aravollu. your anguish to make it as a telugu (or seema andhra) vs tamil controversy is really pathetic..
>> Vatal or KRV are fringe elements who don’t represent the mainstream of Karnataka, a state that celebrates RK Narayan, Mallikarjun Mansoor & Rahul Dravid.
Who is mainstream karnataka and who is representing it? Sp much to the state that does not have regional and language jingoism.. but why riots happen on tamil people during cauvery dispute?
KRV is a very vocal and active organization (they have offices in every parts of the state) and have a powerful lobby in govt.
btw.. If KRV is not vocal and mainstream then how many people that blogs/people (ur accusing of growing telugu jingoism) are representing in total telugu population?
>> శత్రుత్వం లేని బంధాలని దాయాదులు అనడం సాధారణం కాదు. మీకు ఈ విషయం తెలిసీ బుకాయిస్తున్నారని నా నమ్మకం.
అన్నదమ్ముల బిడ్డల్ని దాయాదులు అంటారు. ఇంకా చెప్పాలంటే ఒకే వంశస్తులు అయ్యి, ఒకే ఇంటి పేరు కలిగిన వారు అయిన బంధుత్వాలని కూడా దాయదులనే పిలుస్తారు. అంతేగానీ వైరం వుంటే దాయాదులు, లేకపోతె ఇంకొక పేరు ఏమీ లేదు.
మీరేదో ఆ పాట లో ఒక ఈక పట్టుకున్నారు కాబట్టి శత్రువులు అనే అర్ధం లో వాడారని బుకాయించాటానికి ప్రయత్నిస్తున్నారని నా నమ్మకం.
I wonder, Jai Gottimulkkala will always attempt to prove his point by occasional exceptions whereas exceptions don’t defeat general theory.
If one town in TN has name of non-Tamil origin, I don’t think Tamils will have a problem. If majority of towns in TN are named after non-Tamil sources they will certainly have an issue, and so am I, If majority of towns in Telangana are named to reflect lineage of foreign rulers. All of us are aware of name of Madras (coined during British) to changed to Chennai.
Jai, looks like both of us have identity crave(I am not if this is crisis). The difference lies on choice of time scale. If you are crave to be identified through Persian lineage by going 500 years behind, I am craving to be identified as Telugu by going 2500 years behind.
For those who write about Karnataka as state that does not have linguistic jingoism, I fully agree and kannadigas are as tolerant as Telugus towards other languages. But if I don into Jai gottimukkala for a moment, I can prove my point by citing activities of Kannada Rakshana Vedike usage of Kannada in Karnataka in a radical way or state government buses that carry message that ‘kannada is state’s official language’ or kannada rajya celebrations for almost a week( remember it is public holiday in Karnataka on 1st November. All establishments remain closed including companies in silicon valley.
I am surprised to see T’vadis proving their dubious broadmindedness by shunning their Telugu Identity( in a crude and ugly way), but at the same time crying for Telangana identity.
By the way.. since when did Persian rulers became Indians. If rulers acquire nationality by their continued rule posterity after posterity, British were equally Indians after ruling for 200 years and there was no need for us to drive them off( Jai might want to prove wrong by citing the arrangement of governance where Queen was supremo)
@jai
do you know that tamils rejected and even protested against hindi being the national language
do you know sachin tendulkar was criticised by bal tackhrey for giving a statement "i am an indian first then a maraathi"
do you know how mns activists assault north indian people
are they not linguistic jingoism of tamils and marathis and chauvinism against other languages
it is a crime to you that telugu forums discussing about telugu language but on the other hand tamils,marathis assault people who dont speak their language
@jai
if abusing pillai is hatred against malayalis
if abusing pc is hatred towards tamils
'telanagana wale jaago andhra wale baago' is against andhra people but not andhra politicians
"Pommante pova enduko valsavadi " is against andhra people but not exploiters
your 50 years of agitation is against andhra people
and want to see how much you people hate andhras look at the dirty nonsense written by singidi writers
క్విట్ తెలంగాణ సంకలనంలోని ‘రాళ్ల వాన’ అనే కవితలో ఒద్దిరాజు ప్రవీణ్కుమార్ అనే కవి ఇలా అంటారు… “మానుకోట మట్టిని పిడికిట పట్టి సీమాంధ్ర కాలనీలపై – అగ్గిపుల్ల, షాపింగ్ మాల్స్పై రాళ్లవాన”. ‘బ్లాకౌట్’ అనే మరో కవితలో మొగిలి అనే మరో కవి ఇలా అంటారు… “సంకురాతిరి ఇంటికి పోయినోణ్ణి అటునుంచి అటే వెళ్లగొడదాం పద!”. ఇలాంటి వ్యాఖ్యలు ప్రాబల్య, సంపన్న వర్గాలకు మాత్రమే ఉద్దేశించినవంటూ సమర్థించుకోవడం ఎలా సాధ్యమో సింగిడి వారే చెప్పాలి. ‘ఎడం కాలుతో తంతా’ అనే కవితలో గుడిపల్లి నిరంజన్ “అంగ స్పర్శ లేని మనుషులా ఆంధ్రోళ్లు!… తిక్కలేసిందంటే నీ ధవళేశ్వరంలో నా ఆరోవేలు అద్దుతా. సరిపోకపోతే అడుగు.. నా జననాం… కడిగిన నీళ్లున్నాయి తీస్కో… ఇంకా కావాలంటే నీ ప్రకాశం బ్యారేజీలో ఉ… పోస్తా తీస్కో” అంటూ రాస్తారు.
@satya garu
it is waste to argue with people who come with vithandavadam
Yesterday, I was talking to a hardcore T vadi and he mentioned that KCR was about to quit his hunger strike in a day or so around Dec 9th. Also, KCR & co didn't expect that statement from PC. It was a shock to them as well. Only after Dec 9th statement, this issue became a whole lot bigger.
On a side note, I was talking to couple of friends who are supporters of T for about 2 hrs. During the whole conversation, they targeted CBN for about 1hr 45 mins and never minced a word about Sonia, KKR & Jagan. They say, as a leader CBN should state his stand. I believe, even if CBN makes a statement in favour of T again, people are not still going to vote for TDP. So where is the point for him to make a statement in favour of T. The moment he makes, he is going lose political mileage in Seema-Andhra. All this is a political drama started by BJP in 1996, continued by T Congress leaders in 1999 with support of YSR, then KCR in 2001 and finally supported by TDP in 2008 for political gains.
TRS-BJP rift out in open
he Telangana Joint Action Committee is in a spot as two of its constituents, the TRS and the BJP carry on their tussle over the latter contesting the bypolls for the Parkal Assembly seat. While TJAC convener M. Kodandaram is maintaining a studied silence on the issue, sources said that the TRS is upset over TJAC and TNGO leaders leaning towards the BJP in Mahbubnagar byelections, and now taking a similar position ahead of the Parkal bypolls.
Though the TJAC kept away from the warring factions, local leaders in Mahbubnagar supported the BJP, which “contributed” to the defeat of TRS candidate Ibrahim. Fearing a Mahbubnagar rerun at Parkal, TRS leaders want the TJAC to step in and advice the BJP to stay away from the bypolls. But with the BJP leadership in no mood to adhere to TJAC’s advice, TRS’s second-line leadership is now attacking the BJP for fielding a candidate instead of supporting its nominee.
“The BJP should support the TRS, which is waging a relentless battle for Telangana. The people have immense faith in TRS for its commitment towards statehood (for Telangana),” TRS leader Sudarshan Reddy said. Though the top TRS leadership, including party chief K. Chandrasekhar Rao, is yet to come out openly against the BJP in the run-up to the Parkal bypolls, local leaders have already begun taking potshots at the state BJP and its leadership. However, state BJP chief G. Kishan Reddy seemed unmoved by the criticism. “We are contesting the Parkal seat,” he said, adding, “The cadre is in an upbeat mood after our victory in Mahbubnagar.”
Intellectuals, do not waste your time. Telangana radu chavadu,(Period)
I think you meant, 'Separatist Udyamam Chavadu'.
Need to use the words carefully, otherwise some very "Smart" Separatists will twist your words.
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