Dear Friends,
There is a sense of despair among the people of Andhra Pradesh. The state division is not a done deal. There is a long road ahead. We can push the decision back and we will. The only thing that will stop the division from happening is a groundswell of Gandhian movement.
Let us join hands at the Pothana statue on Tankbund at 2.00PM on Sunday August 4th 2013.
When the entire Indian sub-continent came under the occupation of Delhi Sultans, Telugus were the first ones to fight back and achieve freedom not only for Telugus but for the entire South India. It all started under the leadership of a common soldier named Prolaya Nayaka.
We can turn the tide. Time has come to fight against the Delhi Sultans again. Let us teach them a lesson and let us save India from divisive forces.
Save Andhra Pradesh
Nalamotu Chakravarthy
I do not see any point reasoning with T-vaadis on Hyderabad development and roles of everyone in it. I have said earlier. They do not understand the difference between DONE and HAPPENED and the opposite NOT HAPPENED and NOT DONE.
A gunta land parched, it is DONE by SA leaders.
A GOI institute setup in Hyderabad, it HAPPENS.
Prabhakar:
The question is not about Hyderabad development. The main point is that Andhra, the region, is staking a claim on Hyderabad on the ground that individual Andhras invested in Hyderabad in their personal capacity.
All Andhras are as welcome to live, work & stay in Hyderabad and other Telangana districts as any other Indian. They can thus contribute and in turn benefit from the prosperity. These rights accrue to the individuals, not their "native state".
You are trying to dodge the fact, that Hyderbad the capital has the got industries because Andhra the region has merged with it.
Individual andhras are going to many places around the globe. Noone is making claim on those revenues.
JaiGo,
yeah! Its my mistake. It is manadatory to enumerate everything while debating with nit-pickers. Even if we prove everything about Hyderabad you will talk golususkattu cheruvulu in Warangal. If we prove that wrong you will say there is no college in a croner of Adilabad becuase of discrimination.
It is obvious you did not read my comment fully. I repeat a line here
A gunta land parched, it is DONE by SA leaders.
I did not talk about private individuals but government lead by SA leaders.
In a typical T-vaadi style you diverted topic to personal capacity.
Satya, we are speaking about rights.
Rights do not accrue by intentions. An Andhra individual has the same rights in Bangalore or Hyderabad. His intention to live/invest in the capital of his state is immaterial and gives him no extra rights. They will ofcourse continue to enjoy the same rights even after bifurcation.
Individual rights belong to them, not the region/state where they hailed from. Andhra can never claim parens patriae over Andhra people living outside the region/state nor can it appropriate their rights.
The only permissible Andhra stakes in Telangana and vice-versa flow from the following:
1. Revenues, expenditure, assets & liabilities that were actually generated in Andhra areas but were accounted as HQ
2. Surplus revenues generated from Andhra areas invested in Hyderabad
3. Revenues, expenditure, assets & liabilities that are common & indivisible by their very nature e.g. Govt. buildings constructed after 1956 from HQ budget
Jai, hyderabad get its due attention in establishing public & private firms because it is a capital for andhra pradesh.Every one acknowledges this. The point people are making here is this attention has generated revenues, for which andhras are entitled a share whether they live in hyderabad or in andhra.
The loans taken for hyderabad infrastructure will be on every individual of the state but whereas the revenues generated by this infrastructure are into the account of hyderabad, which is wrong.
Every one on this forum is talking about the establishments in hyderabad and you are trying to deviate it by interpreting it as 'revenue flow' and 'individual investments'. When Chandra said kurnool, you just ignored it with a rhetoric one liner.
Please do not drag it to a point that your posts will get permanently ignored.
Your claim that Hyderabad received investment primarily because it is AP capital is not founded on a logical model. Nor does everybody acknowledge it.
In fact, a similar logic tried in 1953 vis-a-vis was rejected in-toto.
Investors received their return and continue to benefit. If they are motivated by regional feelings, they can always shift to the new state. Telangana can help by cushioning the exit barriers to the extent possible.
Are the loans you refer repaid through Andhra revenues? If yes, this is already covered in # 2. I am applying the same principle on revenues, expenditure, assets & liabilities.
Kurnool, give me a break. I lived in the town for six years.
The claim over is madras is based on population, language and historical facts. No point of the time, there was a claim based on public and private investments.
Hyderabad getting attention is not only based on logical model, it is even attested by Presidential order. It is the contrary that hyderabad grown on its own from 1956 is not get much approval.
If investors are not motivated by regional feelings, then why in the entire movement andhra industrialists are targeted?
If andhra region did not have claim on hyderabad, based on your logic it is eqaully applies to telangana. So the best thing is to keep it separated from both regions.
In some of the earlier comments, you said Raichur/CH developed immensely, after division. had if kurnool continued as capital, it would have developed far better than what it is now. So, whats wrong in admitting that kurnool lost its opportunities to hyderabad?
Did Andhras invest in Madras? If yes, why did they not add this ground to the claim?
I will be surprised if presidential order reference to Hyderabad can be demonstrated.
Some Telangana supporters claim some Andhra crony capitalists used their political patronage to alienate Telangana sarf-e-khas lands. This is not targeting all investors. Nor does it prove investors have a regional bias.
The other Telangana districts have a stake on Hyderabad only till they are together. If Hyderabad becomes separate, these claims are gone.
I do not remember commenting about Raichur. Kurnool would not have attracted investments even remotely comparable if it had stayed the capital. Just see Lucknow vs. Kanpur as an example. We can relook at this after 5 years if Kurnool does regain capital status.
>> Did Andhras invest in Madras? If yes, why did they not add this ground to the claim?
I dont know. In history difficult to find answers for why not. You better find it for yourself
>> Some Telangana supporters claim some Andhra crony capitalists used their political patronage to alienate Telangana sarf-e-khas lands.
The accusation is not on the offenders. It is in general on everyone. From hospitals, schools to industries. If you ignore to see, I am ignoring to reply.
>> Lucknow vs. Kanpur as an example.
You are living upto the expectations of (exception vs norm) by bringing Lucknow vs kanpur example, by ignoring the crux of the argument, which is,… whether it is kurnool or some other city in andhra, would have given attention to make it as a financial hub if Andhra continued as a separate state. Such advantage has lost to Hyderabad because of merger.
Kurnool does not hold a lamp to Lucknow, never did and never will in the foreseeable future.
Your theory will be tested soon, let us reconnect in 5 years.
PS: what with presidential order on Hyderabad?
PPS: I ignore some of your stuff the way you ignore mine
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If kurnool even if it was continued as a capital city, for some “divine reason” would never had attracted central govt estanblishments is the argument. If thats the case how a new capital city say in Ongole will attract investment. Is it also cursed like kurnool because it was not ruled by Nizam. This is utterly rediculous to think that Nizam was the sole person who developed Hyd forever. And he developed it by milking golconda mines,, that too from again outside of Hyderabad state wealth. Where did the Nizam get the mone from. Did money fall from sky. Or the people of his country created the wealth.
Jai is forgetting how Hyd during 1956 was. It was same as Lucknow or patna. Lucknow, Patna also had buildings and roads and gardens and electrification pre independence.Until early 1990′s people in Hyderabad used to compare whether the 5th largest city in India was Hyderabad or lucknow, even though Hyd had much larger PSU’s and central establishments.
Now where is lucknow and where is Hyd GDP wise. Thats called development. May beyou lost when you bid for land an could not compete in the competetion in the buisiness. But the developement visible to bare eyes is undeniable.
It is utterly rediculous to think that Nizam was the sole person who developed Hyd forever for ever rather than govt of AP/India. This is anti-national. Separatists are stuck in 1948 and 1956. We are in 2013.
>> Kurnool does not hold a lamp to Lucknow, never did and never will in the foreseeable future.
Ugh!!!, Again….AGAIN……..
After so much of the explanation, you still came up with Kurnool vis-a-vis Lucknow. God Bless.
Presidential Order
Programme in the State Plan to develop the infrastructure of the State will benefit the capital city. Other schemes intended specifically for urbandevelopment, housing, water supply, expansion of educational and medical facilities etc., also from part of the State Plan. The formula contemplates that special assistance from the Centre to supplement these programmes would also be available. As the formula emphasised the importance of the planned development of the capital city, Government may also consider the constitution of a suitable Capital Development Authority.”
As per the guidelines of PO, HUDA is formed on 2nd oct 1975.”
If you compare the revenues of hyderabad and the expenditure, till 1990s, also compare the location of central institutes granted to the state hyd vs rest of the state, then you may understand what I am talking. Please do the exercise for your self.
PS: yeah, please ignore me. I would me much relieved from answering the nitpicking.
జై గారు,
మీకు నచ్చింది మీరు రాయండి
మా వ్యాఖ్యలు నచ్చకపోతే బేషుగ్గా విస్మరిమ్చండి
మా నెత్తిన పాలు పోసిన వారు అవుతారు
కాని కుక్క గురించి మాట్లాడుతుంటే నక్కని మధ్యలోకి తెచ్చి దీని సంగతి ఏమిటి అని అడగొద్దు
>> కాని కుక్క గురించి మాట్లాడుతుంటే నక్కని మధ్యలోకి తెచ్చి దీని సంగతి ఏమిటి అని అడగొద్దు
okka line lo super describe chesaru..
Prabhakar, I read your comment & understand it. I did not repond to it as I do not believe in the blame-Andhra-leaders approach.
Jai Go – You are awesome … the way you are answering to Anti Telanaga People is commendable….You are inspiring us….Good Going.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eUDsbOORpYY
http://www.andhrajyothy.com/ContentPage.jsp?category=headlines&story_id=43365
GK,
you have not yet come up with parting package.
Your attitude is to pick up an argument or fight. My intentions are to ensure justice for all. I do not have to come up with numbers…experts/neutrals can be deployed to identify such details and there could be possitive debate on it. I am all for SA taking full advantage of HYD but not at the expense/discounting of T.
GK,
practice before preaching. Just browse back and read your sarcastic post on me about linguistic states.
Very Contradicting lives. Former PCC President in a personal family interview
said he participated in the agitation against Nizam's suppressive rule and Razakars.
VANITHA TV: HOME MINISTER.. Smt. Kousalyadevi wo Former PCC Pres.P Narsareddy .
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8v8hjUU_43o
Watch 9-11 mins
And this is what P Narsa Reddy said few days back.Read whole article on the web. Wonder why then he opposed Nizam rule and Razakar then in those days. How contradicting.
http://news.fullhyderabad.com/hyderabad-news/nizam-mir-osman-ali-khan-made-hyderabad-no.-1-city-p-narsa-reddy-9897.html
Congress Leader Praises Nizam Hyderabad 10th August 2013
news.fullhyderabad.com
Seemandhra leaders are trying to stake a claim to the Nizam's achievements in making Hyderabad a developed city, says P Narsa Reddy.
Talking to reporters at the Congress Legislature Party office on Saturday, Narsa Reddy said that Hyderabad was "the most developed city" in the country when the ertswhile Hyderabad state was merged with the Indian Union.
Praising the then ruler Nizam Mir Osman Ali Khan, he said that the Nizam had developed Hyderabad in all aspects. Listing out various projects that were already in existence, he said that Hyderabad had a strong industrial base much before the formation of Andhra Pradesh.
These people use Hyderbad conveniently as both city and state have same name. Is Hyderabad STATE connected by railways during Nizam rule? How much electification was there in T-9 districts?
Nizam really developed the STATE so much? Then why did he was thrown out by his subjects? If so, cannot we call them traitors?
http://www.rediff.com/news/report/caste-equations-will-determine-the-cm-of-telangana/20130801.htm
>>> Some Telangana supporters claim some Andhra crony capitalists used their political patronage to alienate Telangana sarf-e-khas lands.
Here we do not need validating claims. We will start with supposing and eventually paint it is truth. Why debate unsupported claims?
Thanks to democracy, modern communication, cinema there is more AP in Hyd then there was ever any "telangana" in hyd. Even deep interioir telangana now has lot more AP – when I ordered a meal in basara – a town bordering maharashtra – i was served avakai and tomoto pappu – no diferent from a town bordereing Tamil Nadu – but thats a different topic. In hyd nobody can deny that there is no AP in Hyderabad.
some history to know:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TWHZ42bOtdk#t=410
Suppose HYD was in SA and this same situation(separation of T) is happening, what would SA people do in that case?
Definietely not act as parochial or with the the inferiortiy complex or victmim complex that the T guys did.
That much I can say as a non-telugu. Not more. I find this Marxist Maoist identity problems more in the T region and the T people. Pardon me. And I apologise if I hurt any feelings. But these are strong observations.
The SAs would not have started such an agitation in the first place is my reading. And definitely it takes something else to inherit or have a leader like KCR. I am sure (or atleast hope) that even the T guys see him as a Khalnaayaak rather than a Nayaak (and sorry that I stooped down to that kind of a convenient phrasing). But KCR is someone you dont wanr to meet down the steps of dante's hell – if you know what I mean. Disgusting.
Being a Non-Telugu Person, I like your nature to join a fight which you dont understand…However you named KCR but you dont have any other name from SA…this shows either you are hiding your identity and talking non-sense.
I dont know whether you are from T or SA. And if you are from T then what is your identity vis-a-vis the erstwhile Hyderabd state. And if you are from SA then what is your identity vis-a-vis the erstwhile Madras state. Easy to stoop down eh!
One knows KCR and mentions KCR as he was the mother and father for all this hatred. What else?
GK,
that situation is already handled in India many times. But SA would definitely not have said bhago.
Would that be a shared capital or UT or revenue sharing etc…? Please be specific. Don't evade by saying it has been handled in India many times…
That will be a shared capital. Do you think all people will be crazy like you.
GK, you asked a very good question whose answer did not reach to the masses of mind-less Seemandhras (one set of people living in their own areas — underdeveloped in wisdom and in just about everything since the formation of AP; and the other set living in Nizam-T without sthanabalam and power to raise voice),
and
to the masses of mind-blocked Nizam-Ts (developed in all walks of life from "RAGS TO RICHES" since the formation of AP) who are brain-washed by the elements (the nizam-t goebbels — the well known profs and educated people that are seen everywhere in news and media now-a-days brainwashing spewing venom and poison all over to denigrate a complete race — the Seemandhras) that grew-up in the mentality of a separate nation, the nizam hyderabad state (the basis of pathetic regionalism, not any different than casteism or any other ills of the society) and with the nizam-time mentality.
Simple answer is if capital was in SA instead of Nizam T this whole fraud and mean agitation would have never happened. FULL STOP.
The reason is the background given below. The basis and background was forgotten by seemandhras and the rest of the nation trying to resolve the pathetic worthless agitation without any research of history and comparative study.
Out of the three States (Maharashtra, Karnataka, and AP) which had stakes in the Nizam area, only AP formed its capital in the nizam area, a linguistically oppressed (meaning urdu-persian-arabic the tongue of the foreign occupiers as official language of the local people), educationally suppressed and a backward region (result of the feudalistic rules and nizam rule which they seem to be shamelessly thankful to and proud of today), also then the very newly integrated province of India, which had a whole separate fight of itself where it opposed joining India and was whipped on ass right and left and forced by indian army to join India. Hence, if they are newly portraying Potti Sreeramulu as a man nothing to do with them, then Mahatma Gandhi even more so had nothing to do with them. PS at least had a linguistic link and an aspiration to unite telugus. Gandhi opposed only British rule and not local Muslim rule, and Nizam area was never directly under British rule. Gandhi okayed for Jinnah to have his own muslim state, the Pakistan, with whom the Nizam Hyderabad wanted to join. How many people from the Nizam T state participated in the Quit India movement. Almost none (and if any, only because of the effects of sayudha poratam help given by the communist party in their region originally led by the seemandhra people in those days) because they were a different nation with nothing to do with British being thrown out or not.
Nizam-T, with 3 percent literacy (according to t-profs) and only hyd city developed with only urdu speaking muslims benefitting from their muslim buildings showcasing turko-arabic-persian architecture (haha Charminar — the pride of Telugus since formation of AP) and culture. It was a city for the muslims and the labor were the poorlocals.
The rest of the states, MH and KA, who married with the nizam regions included those regions in their fabric but the capitals (Bombay and Bangalore) remained where they ought to be, the secret that seemandhras must learn at least now in order to prosper. The growth potential did not shift to nizam regions like Marathwada, Latur, Nanded etc in MH and Gulbarga, Bidar etc in KA.
The standard languages in those states, MH and KA, are also not based on their nizam regions dialects. while only Nizam-T has an issue with standard language being of not their region, a false ego problem. They easliy and conveniently ignore the fact that they never had telugu as official language, let alone the whole issue of dialects (even for which they ought to be grateful to the seemandhra profs who were the first people to research their dialects — if you ask for a list of those great people from seemandhra, I shall provide but you should kiss their feet though some people are not even worth to do that).
(Some History of Nizam T and Hyderabad State)
When India gained independence in 1947 and Pakistan came into existence in 1947, the British left the local rulers of the princely states the choice of whether to join one of the new dominions or to remain independent.
The Nizam state wished Hyderabad state to join Pakistan; but this was exceptionally problematical, as the state was entirely surrounded by the new Union of India. The Nizam was persuaded not to accede to Pakistan by the last British Viceroy, Lord Mountbatten. Given the Nizam's determination not to join India, this left Hyderabad as an independent country.
In September 1948, a military operation named Operation Polo, led by Sardar Vallabhbhai Patel, then Minister of Home Affairs and Deputy Prime Minister of India, was carried out, in which the Indian Armed Forces invaded the State of Hyderabad and overthrew Nizam, annexing the state into the Indian Union.
And within 8 years, with the dirty country-type regionalism from the nizam-time-grown up elders, the Andhra Pradesh state formed with everyones consent, which the Nizam-T conveniently denies now. Since then to the mid 70s the Nizam-T (only among the marathi locals who prospered in nizam state — have the facts and will bring out, other linguistic locals, doras and their chemchas; and not the oppressed castes which remained uneducated) mostly lived thru with country-type regionalism and now with increased development in the region, the nizam-grown-up-educated-breed-leadership found an oppotunity to brainwash their newly educated masses and bring back the country-type regionalism to life. One can give the same analogies that happen in J&K between Pak and India. The NizamT as falsely as Pak claiming J&K in their maps displays Bhadrachalam and other parts not belonging to them in their maps. If they truthfully aspire for a separate state prior to integration with Andhra, they must first start by correcting their maps. When the starting point itself is a lie, then where is a justification for the agitation to be rightful.
Not just to Seemandhra, regionalism if not checked will be a threat to the whole nation. All said and if heard, the Nizam-Tvadis will remain mean and seemandhras will remain naive as always. Thanks to the fraud agitation, it has brought a little awarness in the SA people, and this awareness will develop seemandhra no matter if it is separated or not.
This meanness has been started by NizamT people, dragging back the relations of Telugus by 60 years but in a worse manner with a poisonous grudge which is not in the interest of the nation and the telugu people. Seemandhras, you have nothing to be sorry about, my advise for you is to read and learn some history. Nizam-T people, my advise is, even if you believe it or not, take some time and read some authentic history and not from Namasthe Telangana, Mission Telangana, E-Telangana, PoruTelangana or TJAC or TNews or anyother venom. Learn about the good that seemandhra people like A.S.Rao, Madapati Hanumantha Rao (even before AP was formed) and thousands of such people have done in Nizam-T region and weigh them against deeds of people from nizam-t region and try to find if any people from nizam-t region ever did any thing worth for the Seemandhra region. My thought is you will hardly find anyone.
Blessed are the states Maharashtra and Karnataka by all means.
Some History of Nizam T and Hyderabad State
When India gained independence in 1947 and Pakistan came into existence in 1947, the British left the local rulers of the princely states the choice of whether to join one of the new dominions or to remain independent.
The Nizam state wished Hyderabad state to join Pakistan; but this was exceptionally problematical, as the state was entirely surrounded by the new Union of India. The Nizam was persuaded not to accede to Pakistan by the last British Viceroy, Lord Mountbatten. Given the Nizam's determination not to join India, this left Hyderabad as an independent country.
In September 1948, a military operation named Operation Polo, led by Sardar Vallabhbhai Patel, then Minister of Home Affairs and Deputy Prime Minister of India, was carried out, in which the Indian Armed Forces invaded the State of Hyderabad and overthrew Nizam, annexing the state into the Indian Union.
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Ayya Anonymous garu,
All of what you mentioned above is a mere repeatition of the lectures with which T was kept under the united concept. We had it enough, now the question on the table is how do we share Hyd…
Out of all the points, which lecture was the one you were kept united with. Is it this one, "All said and if heard, the Nizam-Tvadis will remain mean"
Anonymous saab,
That has been a good post though from an entirely seemandhra point of view – though I do agree the regionalism threat that this precedence will spark across the nation and its ill effects.
I am not sure whether I would agree that I will call the T Vaadis as mean. I would actually say envy and jealousy are the right words in my experience havin interacted with both the T and the SA guys (and actually being one who has family relations with the through marriage in this modern era). Though I would fully agree that this agitation is mean and the people who lead it are really behaving extreme with a sense of inferiority complex.
I (rightfully it should be my family) have seen Hyderabad in all its phases – prior to merger, 1950s; post merger and until 1980s and post 1980s when the real miration of SAs to the city happened.
Prior to merger (if one were to dicount Secbad) there was very little difference between a city like Gwalior and Hyderabad or Lucknow. In fact I remeber discussions in my family whether Aurangabad would have been better of as the capital of erstwhile Hyd state rathere than Hyderabad. Post merger one could see the waves of change which were the result I think of the state being large and able to bargain quite a bit from the centre in terms of institutions etc (of course the fact that Cong was represented well by AP's MPs helped). So in a way even this was a contribution by SAs though not of people but of the size and importance that the political class numbers had along with T.
But the real transformation happened post 1980s. This was when you saw capital and brains and entreprenurial spirit coming into the city. In fact T people of those days were delighted that there properties rates were shooting up and that they had buyers for their land. This is perhaps something that the T people miss altogether. Of course post 1990s and 2000s in the liberalized economy and the entrepreneurial spirit already in place the city took off. For this one has to (like it or not) credit SA people and of course some T people. Across T too (I mean other districts which I have travelled enough) one could see the benefits of this percolating.
Strangely (and as observed by the SKC committee) it is this progress that fuelled the movt. A little bit of progress (and may I add a faulty understanding of democratic principles which was never enjoyed by T people) is what fuelled this agitation of envy, jealousy and extremism.
One of the things I find difficult explaining to T educated class is that it does not matter that the land is yours or blah blah unless something is done with it. Unless someone acts/works on it there is no wealth that is created. A bigger empty bowl is just that – a bigger empty bowl. Unless and until someone fills it up through entreprenurism at best it can turn into a begging bowl.
Sadly the Nizam for the T people was like having a bad father who never looked after his children and was just self indulgent.
Anyway GK, the answer to your question is NO. As a Hyderabadi and having seen people from both the regions sadly I should say NO. There never would have been such an agitation if Hyd was in the SA region – of course there is one thing to say though, the same developement that you see in the other districts of T would have also likely not happened. In a sense they would have remained like the Latur and Bidar area kinds.
This city does not deserve to be under T Vaadis exclusively. It will be a sad historical blunder if that happens. And I am happy that the SAs are fighting back for what is rightfully theirs.
I am hoping that the Sept 7th rally happens and believe me we non-telugu speaking gang of few friends will be there and hope to meet a few more.
"In fact I remeber discussions in my family whether Aurangabad would have been better of as the capital of erstwhile Hyd state rathere than Hyderabad"
Hyderabad state cities ranked by population as per 1931 census with % of Hyderabad population:
1. Hyderabad 466,894, 100.0%
2. Warangal: 62,119, 13.3%
3. Gulbarga: 41,083, 8.8%
4. Aurangabad: 29,288, 6.3%
5. Raichur: 27,910, 3.6%
Jai, why is Hyd 100%. What does that mean?
Sera, my point is about Aurangabad vs. Hyderabad, not Gwalior, Lucknow etc.
My source is Lucien D. Benichou, page 266
http://books.google.co.in/books?id=Loiq3YrFy40C&printsec=frontcover&dq=from+autocracy+to+integration&hl=en&sa=X&ei=3zYcUrTqMIn_rAfH44HIAg&ved=0CC0Q6AEwAA
Jai saab. That is why I asked Lucknow and Gwalior. Where were they vis-a-vis Hyd and now where are they? In fact Jaipur should also be brought to a comparison. This city did not grow out of thin air magic without the contribution of everyone – including the districts of erstwhile Hyd (lets not forget that) and the money taken for selling/renting the other two regions of the present state.
Salute to Anonymous garu for the truth.
sera sir, unlike T-vadis who refer to whole SA as dhongalu, he did not refer to T-people as mean he said T-Vadis as mean.
What is from SA standpoint in that, everything is history and national fact, the Indian army, the 3 states MH, KA and AP, the linguistic basis.
The T-agitation is from T-peoples standpoint who say SA people are dhopididharulu.They have been proven wrong by all committees, SKC etc.
Uday, the ratio is city population/Hyderabad population X 100. For example, Warangal population was 13.3% of Hyderabad in 1931
Wonder whether Jai can provide the source. Would have replied to him but there is no reply link below his post. Along with it can you provide stats of Lucknow, Gwalior, Mysore which were comparable capitals,
Honestly the party asking separation should conceed a little more to the other side. If RSA asking for separation they will accept UT/Joint/Revenue sharing. If T is asking for separation UT will not be entertained. Revenue sharing and asset division will be mandatory in any kind of separation.
BTW, had this division happened before 1996-7, I as an individual would have not even talked about Hyderabad except for some settlement for govt. employees. Even year 2000 would had been different. But now it is not possible to forego rights on Hyderabad.
Why the states formed so far did not ask for UT of the capital?
Because this is the only incident where people from the region where the Capital is located is asking for separation without any valid reason, and with the kind of hatred spread by the separatists there is no guarantee for safety of the people living in Hyderabad.
Absolutely second that. In fact four states is the ideal solution. Solves the problem for a long time if not forever
And let the Hyd state have its own assembly with its won memebers and representatives from the other three states.
VVK, by a strange coincidence this is the only state formed by a coastal area without any deceny city joined with a landlocked region with a great city
Nayana Jai babu, deceny city antey enti. thala thoka lekunda pichi vrathalu vrasthunnavu.
I completely agree with 4 states. Hyderabad MUST be a state.
The other situation was also handled in India before.
That was by unanimity. Is there unanimity now?
Gk,Jai et al…
Since “We” (Telangana people) have already demonstrated our might that we could build a grand city of Hyderabad even before Independence, why cant we repeat the same thing in warangal or Nizamabad. After all we could build a city like Hyd before 1956 itself and after that also it “Natuarally” grew to be an internationally known city without seemandhras or anybody from other parts of India. Actually seemandhras are incapable people. They can never build a city like Hyd which existed before 1956. But WE DID IT. LETS BE PROUD ABOUT IT.
So lets do it. moderates like GK who want Telangana but is OK for negotiations about hyd will be happy also. Lets decide in a brotherly spirit that Hyd be a UT and lets build our Nizam style Hyd in warangal or Nizamabad. We can do it in less than 10 years.What u say.
and the neighbouring places have similar advantages of climate, culture and importantly blessed people. I wonder sometimes, how this entire movement made to fool people of telangana. It brings me the analogy of Avatar. They are of an impression that Telangana used to be a Pandora before Seemandhras invaded and did all the destruction.
I would rather have the revenue from HYD belong to T and SA shared in a justified manner rather than giving it in a platter to the center…The proposal of UT is not a positive one rather a negative one…it is not a win:win for both regions…instead it is opposite.
Chandra Sir,
Please note that the T share of development was completely deposited in HYD. It is not the case on the SA side, take airports, univ colleges, PSUs, etc… and etc.. the rest of T is needs HYD many times more than SA.
Talking about Warangal, I would request you to learn what happened to Azam Jahi Mills in the heart of WGL which could have been a great for IT, instead it was cashed out for housing plots by YSR to fund polavaram works. Everyone opportunity there was in WGL got denied. Today people run away from the city, the first opportunity they get. Selling the unused lands around HYD for MNCs is a possitve one, where as what YSR had done in this case is very sad and hard to swallow..
GK,
I fully agree with you on misdeeds of YSR. Division or not both regions will pay heavily in coming year for his deeds.
I have a strong feeling that majority of investments on Jalayagnam are dead investments. To my knowledge, there are no tanigable improvemnets to Agriculture. No evidence of extra growth in argi production.
But state has to repay the loans taken for these projects and interests on them.
Below is the list of SEZs in current AP, may be old. I will try to compile latest from the AP website soon. Note that all SEZs in T are around HYD and none in rest of T, where as there are many SEZs grant all over SA, which is the major difference between T and SA with respect to the new economy
M/s Andhra Pradesh Industrial Infrastructure Corporation Ltd. Nanakramguda Village, Serilingampalli Mandal, Ranga Reddy District, Andhra Pradesh IT or ITES
APIIC Visakhapatnam Multi product
APIIC, Madhurwada Visakhapatnam IT or ITES
Brandix India Apparel City Private Ltd. Achutapuram, Visakhapatnam Textile
Ramky Pharma Cit Pvt. Ltd. Mandal, Visakhapatnam Pharmaceuticals
CMC Limited Ranga Reddy District, Hyderabad, Andhra Pradesh IT or ITES
DivyaSree NSL Infrastructure Private Limited Ranga Reddy District, Hyderabad, Andhra Pradesh
DLF Commercial Developers Ltd Ranga Reddy District, Hyderabad, Andhra Pradesh IT/ITES
Hyderabad Gems SEZ Ltd. Ranga Reddy District, Hyderabad, Andhra Pradesh Gems and Jewellery
Fab City SPV Pvt. Ltd. R R District Andhra Pradesh IT or ITES
Divis Laboratories Limited Chippada Village, Visakhapatnam, Andhra Pradesh Pharmaceuticals
Andhra Pradesh Industrial Infrastructure Corporation Limited Sarpavaram Viullage, Kakinada Rural East Godavari District, Andhra Pradesh IT/ITES.
Kakinada SEZ Private Limited Ramanakkapeta and A. V. Nagaram Villages, East Godavari District, Kakinada, Andhra Pradesh Multi-product.
Apache SEZ Development India Private Limited Mandal Tada, Nellore District, Andhra Pradesh
Parry Infrastructure Company Private Limited Vakalapudi Village, Kakinada Rural Mandal, Kakinada, Andhra Pradesh Food Processing.
LandT Phoenix Infoparks Pvt. Ltd. Mandal, Andhra Pradesh IT ITES
Maytas Hill County SEZ Pvt Ltd-Bachupally Bachupally Village, Mandal IT ITES
Serene Properties Pvt Ltd. Pocharam Vil1age, Hayathna Gar, Taluka Ghatkesar Mandal
Sundew Properties Pvt. Limited Madhapur, RR District IT ITES
Wipro Limited-Manikonda Manikonda, Mandal, RR IT ITES
Sri City Multiproduct SEZ & DTZ in Chittoor District.
Lanco Hills Technology Park Pvt Ltd., SEZ – IT and ITES, Hyderabad,
GK, you people will not be satisfied and stop crying even if the entire seemandhras give their properties, clothes and roam naked. This is only best answer to your posting.
TRICKS EMPLOYED BY GK
When you post statistics, you very wisely split Hyd and T9 separately stating Hyd is capital, but you claim Hyd all for yourself.
You cunningly include stats if Ranga Reddy into Hyd whenever necessary.
You terribly reduce or increase stats whenever and wherever it suits you.
You thoughtfully post stats of the other party as one entity Seemandhra, and not as Rayalaseema and Coastal Andhra.
Another cheap tactic you employee is to ignore the history and make people think that both Seemandhra and Nizam Telangana started with the same level of education, etc.
Another cheap trick that you try to fool people with is to not show when a college or etc founded, before or after Andhra Pradesh formed.
MORE TRICKS EMPLOYED BY GK
You hide to consider the population of Seemandhra. Or District wise population when counting colleges per district or region.
You do not take into consideration the number of students (50000 intermediate students just in a couple of disctricts) or employees of Nizam Telangana in Seemandhra.
Chakravarthy, did you notice these tactics. Do you know of more.
10 districts of T have more SEZ than 13 dsts of RSA with just one in RS.
>> They are of an impression that Telangana used to be a Pandora of Avatar before Seemandhras invaded and did all the destruction.
Thisis what exactly I said. http://missiontelangana.com/about-the-essence-of-hyderabad/#comment-16291
Good Joke Satya…..
Another example : http://telugu.greatandhra.com/politics/aug2013/26b_bon_ven.php
India TV documentary summary on the occasion of CWC decision…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EBkFqFScT80
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J0T1dTWxeLc
Is this talking from your mind for you just as anyother media. Just put the gist of the video and what you like or dislike or what is really worth knowing in it. People cannot watch each and every video that is posted.
Andhra settlers of Nizamabad support Telangana state
http://telanganautsav.wordpress.com/2009/12/23/andhra-settlers-of-nizamabad-support-telangana-state/#more-949
Andhra settlers active in T-stir
Deccan Chronicle, December 23rd 2009, By Our Correspondent
NIZAMABAD, Dec. 22: Settlers from Andhra regions in the district are actively participating in the ongoing agitation for a separate Telangana state. Mingling with local people, elders and the younger generation of Andhra settler families have been declaring their support to the separate state cause.
Leading businessmen of Andhra origin have also extended their cooperation to the Telangana agitators.
There are hundreds of families from coastal Andhra settled in the district In the early 1950s. Families from Guntur, Krishna, East Godavari, West Godavari and Prakasam districts settled here. Interestingly, they all have settled in the command area of the Nizamsagar project.
The Nizamsagar project, Nizam Sugar Factory at Bodhan, Lakshmi Saraswathi Paper Mill at Neela and Nizamabad Cooperative Sugar Factory at Sarangapur provided employment to them in those days. Following this, numerous Andhra families purchased thousands of acres of land from locals and developed commercial crops like sugarcane, cotton, paddy and vegetables. They also proudly declared themselves as settlers, and set up new housing localities such as Saloora camp and Penta camp in Bodhan area.
They entered the business of hotels, educational institutions, hospitals and cinema theatres in the district.
Fearing consequences of not supporting separate Telangana agitation, they are now supporting the separate state cause. Settler families of Kothapally, Laknapur, Shatninagar, Durganagar and Krishnanagar staged a rasta roko at Makloor mandal headquarters on Monday, demanding a separate Telangana state.
Hundreds of agitators sat on Nizamabad-Nandipet road and raised slogans against the government. They also found fault with Vijayawada MP Lagadapati Rajagopal for creating unnecessarily trouble for the proposed new state
నిజామాబాదు నడిబోడ్డులో ఉంది మద్దతు ఇవ్వక చస్తారా! ఇవ్వకపోతే ఖచ్చితంగా చస్తారు.
పోచారం గారు ఓట్లు వేయనందుకే మీ సంగతి చూస్తా అండు. తెలంగాణ వద్దు అంటే అంతు చూస్తా అన్తడా లేదా?
Where is Pocharam these days? I did not see him much after winning..
Not even Gampa Govardhan. Na Ghar Kaa Na Ghaat ka.
Same with all sentiment jampu jilaanees.
Partiality towards NT and UA. South Andhra and Rayalaseema are ignored.
http://www.aptwgurukulam.gov.in/?url=districtwisedetails.html
GURUKULAM
DISTRICT WISE, CATEGORY WISE LIST OF INSTITUTIONS IN THE YEAR 2011-12 by Nov., 11
Sl. No.
District
RS
RJC
Ekalavya Model Res. Schools
Excellence Inst., (Co-Edn)
Mini Gurukulams
KGBVs
Grand Total
RS
RJC
B
G
B
G
B
G
B
G
RS
RJC
B
G
1
<!– Srikakulam –>
Srikakulam
3
1
2
1
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
2
3
12
2
<!– Vizianagaram–>
Vizianagaram
3
2
2
3
0
0
0
0
1
1
0
1
5
18
3
Visakhapatnam
6
3
5
3
1
0
0
0
0
1
0
3
8
30
4
East Godavari
3
2
3
2
0
1
0
1
0
0
0
0
0
12
5
West Godavari
2
1
2
1
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
6
6
Krishna
0
1
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
1
7
Guntur
1
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
1
4
6
8
Prakasam
1
0
0
0
0
1
0
0
0
0
0
1
3
6
9
Nellore
2
0
1
0
0
1
0
1
0
0
0
1
0
6
10
Chittoor
1
1
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
1
0
0
3
6
11
Kurnool
1
1
1
1
0
0
0
0
1
1
0
1
8
15
12
Khammam
4
3
5
3
0
0
0
0
1
1
0
3
8
28
13
Warangal
5
1
2
1
0
1
0
1
0
1
0
4
7
23
14
Adilabad
4
2
2
3
0
0
1
0
0
0
0
4
13
29
15
Karimnagar
1
0
0
0
1
1
1
1
0
0
0
3
2
10
16
Mahaboobnagar
1
2
0
0
1
0
1
0
0
0
0
4
8
17
17
Nizamabad
0
0
0
0
1
0
1
0
0
0
0
3
5
10
18
Ranga Reddy
1
0
1
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
2
5
9
19
Nalgonda
1
3
1
1
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
4
9
19
20
Medak
2
0
1
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
3
5
11
21
Anantapur
1
1
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
5
7
22
Kadapa
0
1
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
0
1
1
3
TOTAL
43
25
28
19
4
5
4
4
3
6
41
102
284
Grand Total
141
41
102
284
sorry for the ugly posting. it did not format well.
O maha visha vruksham. Look at just this one article and the comments in 1 week. Poison went so deep. Thanks to TV and internet. This is what happens if people like Jaya Prakash Narayan, C.Narayana Reddy, Akkineni, other great people sit calmly and ignore.
http://missiontelangana.com/my-mother-language-is-telangana-and-not-andhra-telugu/
మాతృ భాష గోస ఆ యాసలో రాయలేనివారి గురించి ఎందుకు సారూ మనకు శోస
Hyderbad is our "Baap ki Jaagir": Anjan Kumar
http://www.siasat.com/english/news/hyderbad-our-baap-ki-jaagir-anjan-kumar
What is going to happen to the properties owned by seemandhra after Telangana forms.
http://missiontelangana.com/hilarious-protests-seemandhra/
Can you please spell out what will happen?
Manthani Brahmins about their Marathi origin.
Manthani.. History Yaksha Ganam & Burra Katha
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0X0R1gN1ogM
I dont think one more proposal in the din of proposals would be too much
ANd maybe this aint as outlandish as many already floating there (like for example merging Vizaq etc into T)
So here we go.
1. Let there be four states – T, seema, andhra and Hyd.
2. Hyd should have extended territory to give boundaries to all the three states – maybe include the full districts of Mehboobnagara and Nalgonda (why not?) Or follow the fourth option map in the SKC commitee report.
3. Let each region have its own working capital and let the Hyderabad be a state capital region.
4. Let all the four states have their respective assemblies with a small twist for the assembly of Hyderabad.
5. Let Hyderabads assemblies reprentatives come from all regions of the state. Think of it as kind of MP elections for Hyderabad and MLA elections for their respective states.
6. In the extended region I think the main two water dams also come so that can also be addressed.
I think the only way out not is to see how to find a solution for Hyderabad which protects the interests of all people and mainly the people of Hyderabad.
Sera Sir,
Hyd is inside T. So leave alone T and depending on the feasibility there will be no objection on the remaining states from the T people.
As for Hyd, it was a capital city before the merger. On top of the that 40% contribution to all the development after merger was from T. now we can debate what could be the remaining 60% development contribution by SA considering that 40% of the development in SA is also contributed by T.
And GK saab what about the contribution made by the erstwhile Marathi and Kannadiga districts and the money made earlier in selling the seemaandhra areas for cash or rent?
Sera,
it is true that most Hyderabadis, regardless origin, are afraid of some rabid elements in T movement. Of course prospective communal clashes also a matter of concern.
At the same time any further botch up on Hyderabad may set bad precedent for the country.
Entire movement will be replicated in every state where congress party is weak. With Telangana announcement congress stoked fires in Gorkhaland with purpose. Mamtadi had to fight with this fire.
I agree to you prabhakar saab. But what is the solution?
Nalgonda Citizen would like to remain with T and Not with anything else…you should better realize, you are non-telugu and dont the know the culture of Telugu…we are NOT like you who lost identity…. you can speak anything because you dont have identity in this country.
And you Ravi saab say: Nalgonda Citizen would like to remain with T and Not with anything else…you should better realize, you are non-telugu and dont the know the culture of Telugu
If it was such a culture than why is it fighting?
And you Ravi saab say: we are NOT like you who lost identity…. you can speak anything because you dont have identity in this country.
Achaa? Very easy to lose tongue Ravi saab. I will spare you the embarassment
Its a really different story I am listening altogether in this site …. Something like chetulu kalaka aakulu pattukunnaranta ….You Non Telangana Guys GROW UP!!! Learn how to win the Game. You CANNOT bring anti-T forces into a single form…that is your inefficiency…. I wonder why dont SA people vote for CPM, which is for United AP and its clear that they dont mind giving T or not as they vote for Parties who stand for Bifurication … One Simple fact, if a SA party is formed, still people will vote for TDP and Congress whose decision is to bifuricate…. What ever this forum is discussing about growth and blah …blah is utter bullshit …. PM of this country has Supported Bifurication when AP NGOs met … Still if you dont understand the reality…..I will spare you the embarassment
… JAI Telangana ….. Koti Ratanala Veena…..
Telangana voters voted to Congress against single agenda (telangana) party TRS in 2009 elections though it didn't full fill the 2nd SRC mentioned in its 2004 election manifesto. When telangana voters didn't bother to vote for telangana, it is nothing but stupidity to think that SA vote to CPM where the AP division was not an issue in 2009 elections.
Many people in India and BJP are against the special status to Kashmir and yet the majority don't vote to BJP. This is because the special status to Kashmir is not an issue in the rest of India. Similarly telangana was not an issue in SA, though majority there are for unitedAP, until Congress CWC said that it made a decision about telangana.
As usual the Nizam Telangana people beat and scare Seemandhra people agitating or holding meetings in Nizam Telangana region. Just as Parakala sir, Chakravarthy etc Jaya Prakash Narayan sir were attacked by these goons, now their lawyers attacked the seemandhra lawyers.
http://www.thehindu.com/todays-paper/tp-national/clash-between-lawyers-of-two-regions/article5059990.ece
Please read the story again. It does not speak about beating, scaring, attack etc. There were heated exchanges, slogans & counter slogans. The story specifically says the two groups almost came to blames i.e. no one hit the others.
Jai,
Do you agree with The Hindu news which says the was with T-Lawyers or do you agree with T-News which blames Seemandhra Lawyers a goondas and came beating. your answer will be enough to answer yourself because this is not a detailed ratling.
Jai,
Do you agree with The Hindu news which says the fault was with T-Lawyers or do you agree with T-News which blames Seemandhra Lawyers a goondas and came beating. your answer will be enough to answer yourself because this is not a detailed ratling. It also says "Advocates affiliated to the joint action committees of Seemandhra and Telangana regions almost came to blows here on Sunday giving the police a tough time.". You ignored that. Put that aside.
Your beloved T-News says they beat eachother, so that means you deny what T-News says. Be vocal Jai Gottimukkala, the role model of T.
Sanjeev, the Hindu story only says T-advocates tried to disrupt the meeting.
I did not ignore the part where it says the two groups almost came to blows.
Two= both parties were belligerant
Almost= did not happen
I did not see T-news story on this incident.
Looks like Ravi does not believe his own reference because beat, scare & attack are not explicit or even implicit in the Hindu story
One simple question. Do you believe that T-lawyers going there is justified?
The way the T-vaadis have been pushing their agenda by suppressing the opposite view, I don't believe there would be safety to people living in T. Today the target is SA people, tomorrow it could be another group for another reason. There is no end to such hatred. Classic example of hatred never ending is Pakistan.
Jai,
One simple question. Do you believe T lawyers going to that venue is justified.
No. I dont support disrupting closed door meetings in private premises.
However, it is clear this resulted only in heated oral exchanges. No one beat the others.
JaiGo,
what you say is
I am celebrating my kids birthday
you are not invited, yet you barge in
I ask you to leave and you claim it offensive
eventually it was my mistake to celebrate my kids birthday
am I right?
Why only closed door meetings?
Do you think one cant say his views about United AP in public in T?
"No one beat the others" – Do you think one has to wait until this happens to say that "now they have crossed the limits"
No. I am saying barging in uninvited is not the same as bashing your son & all his friends, take away the cake, gifts & return gifts and on top of it rampage your house. This is what Ravi accused the T-advocates.
The other point is incomplete samaikyam. Let us say you put up a notice in the society to join the party but invite only some kids when they turn up. Some of the T-advocates said they got SMS invites.
JaiGo,
Ravi used only a simple term attack. I do not understand how could you interpret so much voilence from it.
Claims are always claims. Just like KCR roots being in Telangana.
Samaikyam or not, the meeting was for RSA advocates. Not for Telugu advocates or AP advocates.
LIES AND HATRED-MONGER T-NEWS VERSION:
Summary of video: Reports Seemandhra Lawyers Telangana Lawyers meedha Goonda Giri chesaru, paluvuri pai dhadi chesaru, atu Policelu kooda Andhra Lawyerskey maddhathu palikaru
Telangana Layers Seemandhra Layers At AP NGO Bhavan
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BKQOjxCN84Q
ABN NEWS VERSION:
Summary: APNGO Office lo jaruguthunna Seemandhra Lawyers samavesanni Telangana Lawyers addukunnaru. Dheentho Policelu vachi T Lawyers ni arrest chesaru.
Seemandhra, Telangana advocates clash in Hyderabad – Tv9
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iOMibWiowRU
T-PATHIVRATHA TV HMTV:
Summary: No video reporting.
T: Memu lekunda samaikyandhra enti. (From the lawyers video). Jai Telangana
SA: Jai Samaikyandhra
T: Memu veru avuthamu antey samaikyandhra enti. (From news paper). Jai Telangana
SA: Jai Samaikyandhra
T: Memu vidipothamantunna kalisiuntamu antunnaru, siggu ledhu. (From facebook). Jai Telangana
SA: Jai Samaikyandhra
T: Maa pranthamulo untu samaikyandhra anakoodadhu. Lekapothey JP ki padi na dhebbalu padthayi. "vaari prajaswamyam". Jai Telangana
SA: Jai Samaikyandhra
T: Kodandaram says 13 SA jillalani sandarsinchi meeting conduct chesthanu SA ni Jai Telangana ki oppisthanu.
SA: Jai Samaikyandhra. (memu emi anamu meeru maa pranthalaki vachi meeting chesukondi DASA DISA conduct chesinatlu)
Bhayapadithey Bhayapedatharu. Andhukey idhi continue avuthundhi. Be more vocal SA and form JACs.
Varu kekunda Samaikandhra enti annadhaniki. Mari SA oppukokunda vidakulenti. Pelli chesukunnappudu iddharu kalisi oppukuni mari chesukunnaru.
http://www.thehansindia.com/posts/index/2013-08-21/10-reasons-against-bifurcation–69879
Nijamga samaikyam kavalante 23 jillaala vaallu undala vadda? 13 jillala vaallu maatrame unte samaikyam ela avutundi?
సమైక్యం గురించి 10 జిల్లాలలో మాట్లాడితే తంతాం అంటారు, మాట్లాడకపోతే మాట్లాడలేదంటారు. ఇక్కడ స్వేచ్చగా సమైక్యవాదం వినిపించనిచ్చిచూడండి మీకే అర్ధమవుతుంది. 1956 లో 13 జిల్లాలు మాత్రమే అడిగితే రాష్ట్రం ఏర్పడలేదు
Summary:
1956 – They support unification
1969 – They ask for division
1972 – They agree for unity
2001 – They demand division
Divisionki maro peru Capital madhamu. AMRAO garu inkoti marchipoyaru. 1956 ki munupu Pakistan tho kalusthamu, India tho kalavamu anadamu.Balisinappudalla Division anadamu oka sampradhayamu.
AMRAO: Why not? It is a free country & a democracy, least last I heard of.
Even if forefathers agreed in 1956, is it binding & permanent on all future generations?
Yes. It should be binding, atleast in this case, where Capital is located in the region asking for separation.
The kind of democracy we talk about in India (particularly Hyd now), is unfortunately screwed up, where people with opposite view are threatened, intimidated and sometimes beatenup.
Questions:
1. Why are we not agreeing to separate Kashmir? Is it not aspiration of the people of Kashmir and that too from a long time? Is it not their democratic right? Why should the people of Kashmir suffer because of a decision made by their king many many many years ago?
2. Why was Khalistan demand put down with an iron hand?
Right.
THE ONLY BINDING & PERMANENT ARE GENTLEMEN-S AGREEMENT, 610 G.O., ZONAL SYSTEM, 14-F, ETC….
JaiGo,
Free country and democracy are used very loosely these days.
The intellectuals using this for extreme arguments. Godhra, post-Godhra, Afzal Guru, Gang rapes, Divorce laws etc etc. The foolish part is they are contradicting themselves. In one case they want mercy under humanity. In another case they want to hang offenders even without prosecution. During these debates they keep saying free country, peoples wish, democracy etc
]Just today I heard Shobha De demanding womens protection to be an electoral issue. Not sure what she will get if all parties behave like in AP.
The SENTIMENT is becoming the only strong point to resolve any conflict. Actually used to raise conflicts. (I am not referring to T issue which is actually emulation of this trend)
A few villages not exceeding a total population of 1000 could stall Rs 50,000 crore project. MP government could not release water from a dam because a couple of villages do not want to relocate.
No it is not really the people on the ground against development. It is NGOs educating them about their rights in democracy.
To my knowledge nowhere it was written rights of individuals or groups/sections is paramount in democracy.
Whereas COMMON INTEREST of a larger entity is always above individuals or groups in any sensible society.
The human society has not yet wise or matured or intelligent to deliver perfect justice. Democracy is only a mechanism in which every voice can be heard. But it DOES NOT MEAN FORCING DECISIONS AGAINST COMMON INTERESTS.
1972 — asked for Seperate Andhra — Division …If you can't bear truth …keep quite dont spread lies
1999 – Asked for Division by YSR and Team
2001 – TRS born with single agenda to acheive Seperate State
Jai Gottimukkala garu, naku endhuko eppati nuncho oka sandhehamu undhi. Meeru adigey prasnalu choosthey meeru Prof.G.Haragopal laga matladutharu, vrastharu, ayanaki kooda konchamu ekuaney chadhasthamu undhi, adigina prasney malli adagadamu, oka prasna adigithey sambandhamuleni samadhanamu ivvadamu. meeku aa chadhasthamutho patu dileep konatham gaadi missiontelangana ni t-telugu blogla ni sujai gaadi emc2 blogni sandharsinchi bhale bhale commentlu cheyadamu. leka manushulani moorkhulani cheyadaniki divert chesthaniki mee sontha panikimalina blog okati pettukuni manushulani himsinchadamu.Coming to the Point, Ravi gave the answer and you are asking the same question. "Varu lekunda Samaikandhra enti annadhaniki. Mari SA oppukokunda vidaakulenti. Pelli chesukunnappudu iddharu kalisi oppukuni mari chesukunnaru.". Leka baritheginchi vidaakulu theesukokunda vidipoyi veru kapuramu pettukunna pettukokapaina bazaaru dhana antaru. andhukey prapanchamu asahyinchukokunda untakini bhartha (SA) thappu dhari pattina bharyani (NizamT) sari chesi vidakulu theesukuney paddhathi idhikadhu ani sardhi cheppali. adhey ippudu jaruguthunnadhi. dhooshanalu, abhandalu, karpanyalu thaggina tharuvatha, pampakalu chesukuni malli thaeruvathaney edhaina. antheykani oka samajanni (SA) ni manabhangamu chesi sariana rape laws leni india lo thappinchukuthiruguthunna mutaa laga chesthey mana dhesamulo harshanalu pondhina, parayi dhesamu vallu karru kalustharu ivaala kapoyina bhavishyatthhulo.
Jai,
You can see it as opposition to division when division is going to bring in injustice. In the T-vadis terms forced divorse with out proper alimony. your logic only applies during merger of two regions not during division.
Subhash, staying together at the point of gun is undesirable & risky.
Not really!
For 4 years both state and central government allowed Telangana to become a closed fortress not allowing the other view point. At least now they should dismiss so-called manobhaavalu and allow samaikyavaadam inside Telangana. Majority of Telugu brothers in all regions can be convinced to continue the unity.
Recollect HM TV Dasa-Disa conducted in all districts with an agenda of T awareness. Similar campaign should be allowed for other view point.
RSA people fail to convince T brothers? Yes then we can say there is no unity and divide the state immediately.
Jai,
If we try to find a blanket answer for whether it should be divided or not by associating emotions to it, it would n't help. It should based on the basis for division and how the division happens. I personally believe in JPs statement like 'who wants the cake to be cut does not get to choose the piece'. If the t-vadis needs the division to happen, they needs to come up with the way of compensating other regions generously.
I sincerely wonder if telugus have reached kalikalam. Another concoction of the advocates news.
LIES AND HATRED-MONGER T-NEWS VERSION:
Seemandhra Lawyers Attack On Telangana Lawyers At AP NGOs Office
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4tWjcfK1BDs
This is TRUTH… Invitations to attend meeting were sent T lawyers along with SA lawyers…. SA news channels are NOT showing truth…. T lawyers asked how can you called Samaikya Udyamam, when there is not participation from T region….Isn't the basic question ?
The T-politicians checkmated Andhra-Seema politicians and effectively persuaded the powers at the Centre to grant their wish. This is a win for them. Kudos to them. For others, bifurcation of AP is not the end of troubles but the beginning. Without any power in the administration the T-vaadis are running a parallel force. Checking on everyones place of origin. Collecting hafta and protection money. With the arrival of T-state and backing of state power one can imagine they will run roughshod on all imaginary enemies. They will be like Shiv Sena of Bombay. Except here their target is Andhra-Seema people living in Hyderabad and other T-regions.
The Centre and State governments should promulgate some rules prohibiting such behavior. Any celebration of T-days etc.should not be there. Now I know why Nizam did not want any celebration of T liberation day. I would agree the T-vaadi mentality is bringing the Kaliyugam arrival very close.
Lok Satta JP's view on AP Bifurction.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wDQGvufu0dc
@Satya:
I replied to your SPF-Hyderabad questions at http://jaigottimukkala.blogspot.in/2013/08/central-institutions-in-hyderabad.html
@ Jai Gottimukkala
Mister, it does not demonstrate decency or maturity if you want to pull the debate at this space to some other place. If you want to increase traffic to I suggest you to advertize in T-News or NT newspaper etc. I hope you dont repeat this again. If you want to hear a word from the blog owner regarding this (For your legal satisfaction), I hope you will.
Chandra, this is unwarranted.
Chakravarthy may own this blog but his copyright does not extend to "fair use" quotes. In any case, only he or his power of attorney has any locus standi. You may like to consult a copyright lawyer if you like.
FYVKI it is common practice in the blogosphere to post rejoinders. As an example, Dr. Parakala Prabhakar did so with Dr. Subhash Reddy's contentions.
I can manage my blog traffic without unsolicited advice, thanks but no thanks
OSMANIA UNIVERSITY TELUGU DEPT — Rayaprolu Subba Rao (from Coastal Andhra)
The Department of Telugu was started in 1919 with Sri Rayaprolu Subba Rao as its head. Initially, Telugu was offered as a second and optional language in intermediate and undergraduate courses. The M.A. programme was started in 1939.
NIZAM COLLEGE TELUGU DEPT ( – Raiprolu Venkatarama Somayajulu (from Coastal Andhra)
In the city of Hyderabad, Nizam College has occupied a prestigious position. Nizam College was established in the year 1883. In the year 1910 Dept. of Telugu was established. The first Professor in the Department of Telugu was Shri. Raiprolu Venkatarama Somayajulu.
The T-people are kicking out the sons and daughters of their Gurus who taught them to live.
Not sons and daughters, but great great grandsons and great great grandaughters.
More than 100 years of clear relation with Nizam T, clear help given by SA.
oujac at telangana film chamber on Harikrishna and Mega Family — WHERE THE BRAINWASHING BEGINS
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4hJdmLg-z1E
If the news about attacks on the people from coastal and seema districts in Hyd and T are true, then this is the most shameful thing we can ever witness as Telugus. Immediately govt should make a law like SC/ST atrocities act or anti racism laws, saying any verbal or physical abuse or denial of service,property in the name of Andhra, seema, region or language or dialect should result in a non bailable case with rigorous imprisonment and compulsory community service no matter what the qualification of the culprit is.
GK saysAugust 26, 2013 at 2:13 am
"Hyd is inside T".
This is the confusion everybody is having. What do you mean by inside? Nizam T was never a separate administrative unit. Infact if you say Vizag was inside Andhra there is some maning (eventhough its silly because what we now have is AP) because Andhra was a separate state for 3 years.It just happened to be that ranga reddy is adjacent to Hyderabad and Gulbaraga is adjacent to RR and all were under Nizam adminisration.At present each individual district is an administrative unit. Together they form NOTHING.
Logically and legally (jurisdiction wise Meaningless argument). Please read THE STATES REORGANISATION ACT, 1956. It says the transfer of individual districts to Andhra state. There is no mention of Telangana at all in the SRC act.
Jai G will be interested in this
Chandra,
it is pathetic to educate the educated on facts.
Even after 3 years of information dissemination and debates, people keep saying Telangana state existed before 1956. Even in parliament.
To GK, How about this? Hyd is inside AP. So it belongs to people of AP.
Sera, here is the comparison between Hyderabad, Lucknow & Gwalior populations. All numbers are 1931
Hyderabad:466,894
Lucknow: 251,097
Gwalior: 126,949
http://books.google.co.in/books?id=Loiq3YrFy40C&printsec=frontcover&dq=from+autocracy+to+integration&hl=en&sa=X&ei=3zYcUrTqMIn_rAfH44HIAg&ved=0CC0Q6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=from%20autocracy%20to%20integration&f=false (page 266)
http://books.google.co.in/books?id=wZTLEEGmZfQC&pg=PA42&lpg=PA42&dq=1931+lucknow+population&source=bl&ots=TePNRb9a8a&sig=SRzmyLe9gndXGEf4UUoqebwH01Y&hl=en&sa=X&ei=2UMcUunNNcaErAf4toH4Ag&ved=0CDsQ6AEwAw#v=onepage&q=1931%20lucknow%20population&f=false
https://www.google.co.in/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&ved=0CCsQFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.jerad.org%2Fppapers%2Fdnload.php%3Fvl%3D2%26is%3D1%26st%3D84&ei=LkkcUqKwD8KmrAfXpICQBw&usg=AFQjCNHww1CNf2uHOGcjyIuWgfvx9VO13A&bvm=bv.51156542,d.bmk (page 3)
Lucknow was bigger than Hyderabad in 1931. Where is it now?
http://books.google.co.in/books?id=wZTLEEGmZfQC&pg=PA42&dq=lucknow+census+1931&hl=en&sa=X&ei=ZmccUq6kJc3nrAe66oHwDw&ved=0CC8Q6AEwAA
Your sources have a problem. Lucknow was 7,23,457 in 1931 while hyderabad was 466,894.
Link follows.
Jai get hold of this book for correct statistics. It is available in OU library.
http://books.google.co.in/books?id=lQKHuAAACAAJ&dq=hyderabad+census+1931&hl=en&sa=X&ei=N2gcUtqaAsymrAeO8IDICA&ved=0CC8Q6AEwAA
The origins and administration of the state made it impossible to build a Hindu-Muslim community.
From http://books.google.co.in/books?id=XSngDaqpkoYC&pg=PA101&dq=hyderabad+census+1931&hl=en&sa=X&ei=N2gcUtqaAsymrAeO8IDICA&ved=0CEkQ6AEwBQ#v=onepage&q=hyderabad%20census%201931&f=true
Anatomy of Rebellion By Claude Emerson Welch
So much for your Ganga Jamuna Tehzeeb. It is just a "past was glorious" romantic trick that the T Vaadis are trying to sell to people. In fact the proper Ganga Jamuna Tehzeeb (translated to curfew less life) came after NTR came to power.
Its surprsing to understand what you want to prove after the decision is taken ? Dude, do you thinking UPA and its allies dont know the truths …then take your time to come out of dreams … TELANGANA IS A REALITY and GOD BLESSED IT.
Everyone knows Telangana is a reality but Sera is talking about the means that lead to the reality. The path taken to achieve the reality. The lies and hatred filled path will not do any good for the two nations, India and Nizam state.
It says your attitude but does not add decency to your comments
Ravi,
why not you enjoy the reality and leave rest.
Are you still on shaky ground that a couple of debates will rollback the decision?
Ah Ah … You have revealed your cunning attitutde long time back Prabhakar … Its too late to use circastic questions — Dude Grow Up…..Just talk straight… This cunning attitude has made paths for division..atleast now you guys talk in reality. You have to see the Guts and Courage of T People in this big fight…if you think you really had honesty in your claims, why does CBN,Jagan, BS from your region raise the voices your are backing…Because you guys are mean and you don't vote for SA but your vote for your mean needs… Its total different in T region … Who ever it may, if he dont spell T, we dont encourage him…we are clear, honest and visionary. Instead of spending hours on past, if you really care for telugu people Or stand for SA try to promote brother hood… You were not convining to any single point of T people …It shows you are enjoying this hatred between two regions…. Pandavas won the battle…. It does not matter if your strenght is like kauravaras in assembly …. GOOD will WIN..
Mr. Prabhakar, you are clear item/person to be showed why people demand T. Atleast now leave your cunning / circastic comments because they does not yeild anything. T is demanded aganist people like you. All your comments on this blog are cunning and you ar not convincing to any point made by Jai Go. It shows your are NOT to listen and pre-occupied minded… Pity on you because you are not learning from mistakes… Atleast now, VOTE for CPM who stands for United AP.
What is your discomfort with a few words and comments? Still not confident about Madams GRANT? Do not waste your time. Your dear KCR is already in Delhi to fulfil his promise. Soon we will watch live telecast of FEET WASHING AND SPRINKLING THE WATER ON HEAD cermony.
అదే కాళ్ళు కడిగి నీళ్ళు నెత్తిన చల్లుకునే కార్యక్రమం
Your YSR, KKR all did the same .. .Dont say this is the first time we will see it. This is what I am telling you… DONT put negatives only to T people … Be Honest in your comments ….. what is the purpose of saying KCR doing it … Is this the first time …. Did you ever saw how YSR, KKR behaved infront of Delhi Bosses…. Unless, you change your attitude … No Person will have to accept your comments or writing some of your like minded SA Cunning People will Read them and make a noise here, which will defeat your cause of promoting GOOD between people.
Ravi saab. Aap kehte hai khel khataam hua. Hum kehte hai khel to abhi shuru hua.
Ah Ah… I dont understand which world your are living … Dude, it shows you are NOT frmo this generation and you missed the transformation …. Catch up the speed
Brother Ravi, Sera has the responsibility to bridge the gap between India and Nizam province, forcefully integrated into India in 1948, therefore, to-date has a sense of regional feeling arising from it. I am sorry but that is how you have been treating Seemandhra People. I am from Kerala and have an MA in Sociology from OU. I know how seemandhra people in OU have been treated by some of the professors of sociology, political science and other arts dept. There are incidences where they failed the students from Seemandhra out of hatred. I have been visiting KU and OU since 20 years and listened to lectures of Jayashankar and other group of professors who held lectures founding the agitation, based on rogue fundamentalist and fanatic principles which have no space in the Republic of India.
You are cheating and faking info…
Ravi says:
August 27, 2013 at 11:54 am
If you are not cheating, provide non-faking info…
Sera sahib:
I can't find the 723,457 number in your link. It only shows the front cover.
@Sera:
Hyderabad vs. Lucknow in the 1951 state assembly elections
Hyderabad: 10 constituencies, electorate 478,995
Lucknow: 5 constituencies, electorate 353,447
In fact Kanpur is ahead of Lucknow with same 5 constituencies but electorate is 371,062.
How about Jaipur and Mysore? And what was Hyderabad status vs the same cities before the seemandhra were sold/rented which would be in the 18th century. Could you please shed some light Jai?
Jaipur: 3 constituencies, electorate 138,752
Mysore: 2 constituencies, electorate 89,333
Bangalore: 9 constituencies, electorate 466,416 (just behind Hyderabad)
There is no way your claim of Lucknow's 1931 population matches up with the 1951 electorate of 353,447. Can you please look into this, thanks.
The main comparison to be made, Bangalore and Hyd. Look at the population growth, density, area.
Rank City Population (2011) [1] Population (2001)[2] State/Territory
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1 Mumbai 12,478,447 11,978,450 Maharashtra
2 Delhi 11,007,835 9,879,172 Delhi
3 Bangalore 8,425,970[N 1] 5,438,065 Karnataka
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4 Hyderabad 6,809,970[N 2] 3,637,483 Andhra Pradesh
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5 Ahmedabad 5,570,585 3,520,085 Gujarat
6 Chennai 4,681,087[N 3] 4,343,645 Tamil Nadu
7 Kolkata 4,486,679[N 4] 4,572,876 West Bengal
8 Surat 4,462,002 2,433,835 Gujarat
9 Pune 3,115,431 2,538,473 Maharashtra
10 Jaipur 3,073,350 2,322,575 Rajasthan
11 Lucknow 2,815,601 2,185,927 Uttar Pradesh
12 Kanpur 2,767,031 2,551,337 Uttar Pradesh
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[N 1].The area of Bangalore was expanded in 2007. The figure represented here is calculated according to the new city limits, encompassing an area of 741 Sq Km.
[N 2].The area of Hyderabad was expanded in 2007. The figure represented here is calculated according to the new city limits encompassing an area of 650 Sq Km.
[N 3].The area of Chennai was expanded in 2011. The figure represented here is calculated according to the old city limits (176 Sq Km) as the revised figures pertaining to 426 Sq Km are awaited.
[N 4].The area of Kolkata was expanded in 2011. The figure represented here is calculated according to the old city limits of 181 Sq Km. Revised figures are awaited from the Census Bureau.
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[1]."Cities having population 1 lakh and above". censusindia. The Registrar General & Census Commissioner, India. Retrieved 18 October 2011.
[2]."Table – 3 : Population, population in the age group 0-6 and literates by sex – Cities/Towns (in alphabetic order): 2001". Census of India 2001. Govt. of India. Archived from the original on 14 August 2004. Retrieved 27 October 2012.
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BANGALORE
Area[2]
• Metropolitan City 1,276 km2 (493 sq mi)
Elevation 920 m (3,020 ft)
Population (2011)[3]
• Metropolitan City 9,621,551
• Rank 3rd
• Density 7,500/km2 (20,000/sq mi)
• Metro[4] 8,499,399
• Metro rank 5th
• Metropolitan 8,728,906 (5th
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HYDERABAD
Area
• Metropolis 650 km2 (250 sq mi)
• Metro 7,100 km2 (2,700 sq mi)
Population (2011)
• Metropolis 6,809,970
• Rank 4th
• Density 18,480/km2 (47,900/sq mi)
• Metro 7,749,334
• Metro rank 6th
From RAGS TO RICHES as somebody aptly said once. Showcasing 10 muslim buildings in Hyd capital built for the muslim people, by the muslim people, of the muslim people of Hyd state, the T-fellows claim the entire Hyd state was developed prior to 1956 and as though these beggars enjoyed it. All the people opposing the division should vote for MIM. We can bring the Nizams, the heroes of T-history as related by them, back to power.
you are under representing the constiuencies in Lucknow and that is why your numbers are not adding up. Also I think in others too, Could you please look into it.
And you still did not answer on what was Hyderabad status vs the same cities before the seemandhra were sold/rented which would be in the 18th century. And what was the value of the rent/sale?
Lucknow constituencies are as follows:
Lucknow Central: 2 : 110,784
Lucknow City West: 1 : 87,491
Lucknow City East: 1 : 85,758
Lucknow City Central: 1 : 69,414
If you have a doubt, you can look it up and let me know.
Circars was transferred to Madras 3 years after the capital moved to Hyderabad. Ceded was with Nizam only for a couple of years.
You are still not answering: And you still did not answer on what was Hyderabad status vs the same cities before the seemandhra were sold/rented which would be in the 18th century. And what was the value of the rent/sale?
And Lucknow had 8 constiuencies. The problems is you need to quote sources. This lying is not going to help you. How many constiuencies were Chennai and Mumabiai or Calcutta for that matter. By your calculation it will be lesser than Hyderabad. take 1931 census. Not 1951. This is all sophistocated lying to say the least.
http://www.ndtv.com/article/south/economy-in-shambles-jobless-engineers-turn-salesmen-clerks-in-andhra-pradesh-411198?pfrom=home-lateststories
Maybe KCR will assure jobs to all these engineering students.
Though all the jobless can not be attributed to agitations, there is a big amount of job loss to hyderabad because of agitations. Every IT employee who attempts a job change will realize the difference between now and 5-6 years back. Now most of the openings are in bangalore, NCR and chennai. This loss number would be many times more than what t-vadis numbers of dopidi. But our states IT minister periodically gives statements like agitations does not have any affect on IT sector. Had the funding that went in to agitations all these days gone to aspiring enterpreners, that would have created a lot of employment
In Reality atleast now in this scenario, thousands of Out Sourcing People will become Govt. people…. Dont you look this is needed for them ? These Outsourcing in Telangana Region is Combination of People from all regions… Dont tell this is NOT good just for argument. Let me comment on another post about IT jobs
Subhash, I am from IT and I part of many decisions regarding Business Expansions…. Do you really know, how many companies were there in Hi-Tech and Gacchibowli atleast… Tell me One Major IT venture is impacted ? Are your really from IT. I can name few MNC Banks and Building 11,12,13,14 expansion in Raheja Mindspace, ICICI 50,000 seatter building in Gacchibowli and Hyatt and Trident 500 Rooms, Lemon Tree and I can list many more recent establishment in thsi recent 3 years… DONT talk utter non-sense… Do you the seat cost in Bangalore, Hyderabad, Chennai and NCR… Do you know, how many Big Brands moved to NCR in Recent past ? NONE….. Dont tell me lies…
If you dont understand the world economy from 2007 and 2013, Its surprising which kind of IT job your are doing ? Are you really for working for a US Multinational or atleast stable players in India like TCS and Infy. 2009 there wrere no hikes and this Infy announce Hikes after Narayanmurthy Return… 2009 world econony collapsed, job market in INDIA afftected… 5-6 years what was our salaries and what is our salaries today ? Why is the BPO industry went to Phillipines and out of India … Dont tell because of Mumbai Terror Attacks, Mumbai is Shutdown, that proves you are not really following Indian IT market.
Infy case is very different. they have different problems from industry. All other services majors are doing well from 2010. BPO is moving out of india because india is no longer cost effective for them. for IT hyd is cost effective compared to other cities. But it is not able to captitalize on that advantage. In terms of companies doing high end work, being cost effective is not enough. It needs talent pool as well. Talent pool would be there as long as the city is welcoming everybody.
The companies which already present would expand anyway. all these you mentioned started construction prior to 2009. Get the count of new companies that started operations in hyd after 2009 and the count of companies that started operations in bangalore, NCR and chennai. I am specifically talking abt sofware product companies. Despite lower seat and better infrasturcture hyd is not able to capitalize on that
Subhash — What is Dopidi ? Why dint your SA media channels failed to telecast and make a string Operation like Tehelka did on BJP Laxman…. This is the reason for Seperate Telangana… You are Insutling T people … If Andhra Party TDP, LK takes money then its a contribution and if congress and others do it is Dopidi…. Publish the facts, if some one looted you, I will bring that money back to you from them…. Do you have facts,,, dont bark in darkness….
All the SA channels are operating frm hyd. If they telecast something next day their office would be attacked and the local cable operators would be instructed to stop the channel in t-region
Why do you bring KCR, when your CBN made more engineering colleges equal to degree colleges and YSR made Fee Reimbursment… that fact, Engineering colleges gave admission to 1Lac Rank holder also for Fee from Govt. And Current Govt and CM should take the responsibiltiy… Please use little bit of your common sense.
Discussion on 'Save IT Save Hyderabad' ( IT JAC) – Sravan Dasoju (Viswabrahmin, same community as Prof.Gayshankar), Dileep Konatham(Arya Vysya or other)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ay4AA7vxIiM
Kiran, what is the caste of the two Andhra guys in this debate?
Full name kanukkuni andharikanna mundhu meekey cheputhanu.
I did not know you can tell caste from a person's name. Interesting.
It is possible with some surnames.
Ravi says:
August 27, 2013 at 12:02 pm
Ravi,
Dont be a fool here. What nonsese are you posting about Prabhakara rao garu.He is the one who infact agrees for separation but not for hatred or lies. If you think your fairy tales about injustice to Telangana has made CWC decision,this is what he wrote.
"A democracy that fails to evolve as consensus instead degenerates into electoral arithematic is more dangerous than decrees."
You dont know the kind of people here, and just writes crap? Who is cunning. Its the Telangana leaders are the ones cunning. This is what our Burugula RK said in 1950 about Telagana leaders.
http://news.google.com/newspapers?id=I4I-AAAAIBAJ&sjid=C0wMAAAAIBAJ&pg=6778,3386950&dq=disunity+delays+andhra+state&hl=en
Even I used to say T people are innocent. After seeing TNGO/TVV/T leaders for the past 4 years, whole nation knows who is innocent . An outright theft of Hyderabad is happening under the eye of entire India. Chenna reddy had an eye on the "ready made capital" in 1956 without any hardwork.And now KCR and co.
These Telangana bandits are the cunning people. And you want to be one among them.
Thanks Chandra garu.
Prabhakar, I thought you will not respond to this … Your maturity level seems to be very low.
Chandra… If you are TELUGU, how can you call your brothers to be Bandits .. .I said cunning, you replied as BANDIT… Now its proved, you are BANDIT… Dont pass cheap comments in the name of maturity… You guys are talking utter, ultra basic with no sense. This is the reason no one is turning to this site instead you guys talking to each other…. have you really felt, you made any good to Telugu People who visit this Blog… You GUYS are promoting hatred here… Just read your posts and make an anlogy… you guys by design are aganist T people like Pakis aganist India… Now don' repeat the work pakis to T people because, your purpose will be defeated…. You both Guys first learn to listen and love people.
T people are Honest, Commited and Visionary hence we make our comments Precise Not lengthy, vauge and unclear like you….. Prabhakar don't expose your low level of Maturtiy. A person who wrote thousands of lines, dont need to Dejected, if you are true to your heart. I got my answer that your a Fake Guy with No truth and honesty in your postings.
Chandra … Who is posting non-sense here… If you Prabhakar is Prabhakar Garu for you it will turn to Gadu for this circastic comments … you need to realize for every action there will be reaction. One More Suggestion, Make your postings Precise not Circastic.
Ravi,
please do take care of yourself first. Such rapid posting indicates sense of uncontrollable elation from victory. Alternatively it could be over anxity at the prospect of losing something.
As far as I am concerned there is no such case for anyone in Andhra Pradesh at this juncture.
Be optimistic. Sit back and watch the developments. This will do some good for you. Please leave us for our fate.
హాస్యం, చమత్కారం అప్పుడప్పుడూ వెటకారం
తెలుగువాడి ఎన్నో (ఆ)కారాలలో కొన్ని
Why are you chasing T people says Goons, Terrorists etc. I am not chasing you in your Individual Capacity, I am chasing a Guy who is throwing poison on Telangana and T Region…. Vetekaram is in your home and Not at General Public … This is what I am telling you … Don't do this kind of assualt on public….. For you its Fun and for us its heart burn……
Chandra, why should Andhras be united with bandits?
We say a lot of Kashmiri terrorists and said a lot of Punjab terrorists. Does this mean we shouldn't live with Kashmiris and Punjabis?
Pardon me. I believe Chandra called all or most Telanganites bandits. This is not the same as calling some Kashmiris or Punjabis terrorists.
Chandra said
"After seeing TNGO/TVV/T leaders for the past 4 years, whole nation knows who is innocent . An outright theft of Hyderabad is happening under the eye of entire India. Chenna reddy had an eye on the "ready made capital" in 1956 without any hardwork.And now KCR and co. These Telangana bandits are the cunning people. And you want to be one among them"
So Chandra called some leaders as bandits. If not, why would he say "you want to be one among them".
Jai, why should not Andhras be scared of division and living in Hyd when almost all T-leaders and a huge chunk of the T-people started hate and spread lies about the Andhras. What is the guarantee that they will not steal all the Andhra properties in Hyderabad and in other places of T. When T-people are not allowing peaceful meetings of Andhras in T, do you think T will form a democratic environment for ANdhras to live in.
Chandra garu thanks for the rejoinder to Ravi. Things need to be clarified once in a while.
I see two Ravis on this thread. One Smaikyavadi and one T-vaadi. Or did I miss something?
There are two faces. That is for sure. Having a good time too.
What is clarified P Rao ? Is it once again proved, Prabhakar comments are Just the reflection of Cunning attitude of SA people aganist T. You guys dont have calrity on what you are doing……Learn from T people about Honesty, Commitment and Being Visionary. Your Cunning Attitutide, Insults and Cheating Made us to GROW. You Guys has to really intropect about your personalities ? Are you true to your heart ? Are you following the purpose of your blogging ? Are you wasting Time ? Are your hurting T people ? Are you hating T region ? Are you for this country Growth ? … Guys, I will take few months for you to take my next set of Questions .. For Now. Just think of your actions in this forum.
Dude, Ravi Aug 28 2013 611 am. Only one issue related to maps is enough to tell how Honesty you fellows are. Showing what does not belong to you. Bhadrachalam, Aswaraopeta, Huzurnagar, Munagala. If you had begged for them we would have thought about giving them happily to you same as we imparted knowledge to hatred-mongers like you. But you fellows are worst than Pakistanis. Dont think this winning Hatred filled Nizam T is the end of ruining of SA. Maps and empires have changed from time to time. Time will be biggest healer for SA.
If you have little knowledge that would tell that you Kancharla Gopanna Build Ramalayam with the Taxes belong to Nizam King… If you want to debate on Badrachalam ..its your moorkatvam… Coming to Huzurnagar…that name itself name it belong to Telangana…. Dude, dont put your energy to prove something wrong,,, open your mind to read truths…
When Kancharla Gopanna build Ramalayam, not only Bhadrachalam but also all moderan day AP belonged to the Nizam.
The Bhadrachalam revenue division was under British rule from 1768 to 1947, originally as part of the combined Godavari district and later from 1925 as part of the East Godavari district of Madras Presidency, based on the grant made by Moghul emperor Shah Alam II on August 12, 1765. Later, it was a part of the newly created Andhra state from 1952 to 1956, until it was incorporated into the newly carved Khammam district in 1959.
If you claim Bhadrachalam because it belonged to the Nizam prior to British rule, then so did all of modern day AP. In that case, there is no need for AP division.
Your comments not only make no sense but also indicate that you just been released from yaragadda hospital.
Your last comment says your experience with Vizag Mental Hospital, where they half treated you.
Really! Which part of my comment indicate that I have experience with Vizag mental hospital.
Atleast put efforts now to recognize yourself, else you willl be thrown in Limbo.
Practice what you preach and write sensible comments. Regarding Bhadrachalam, I have given information/history to prove why it should be part of SA if AP gets divided. But I have seen no sensible reply from you in this regard.
Ignore the emotionsal and irrational crap.. such comments don’t even deserve a reply.
VK garu,
Vishapadharthamu T-Ravi vrathalalo Samrajya vadhamu kottaosthunnatlu kanabaduthundhi kadha?
– Bhadrachalam, Huzurnagar,Aswaraopeta, Munagala pranthala dongathanamu
– Bhadrachalamlo 2 years nunchi Bathukamma ruddha damu. Anthelendi oka kulaniki (some BCs) ki chendhina panduganey vari sontha pranthalalo ithara kulalameedha ruddhakalininadhi idhi anyayamu ani ela antaru.
– Pakistan kashmirloki vari manushlani chorabettinatlu, Bhadrachalamloki vari manushulani chorabetti varichetha maku Telangana ney kavali ani anipisthamu.
I dont want to discuss on Badrachalam because, we are least bothered of it…. Please dont think that we will fight for it…its people of badrachalam wish to remain with whom – For us we will visit Temple, where ever it is located
Saab. Hyderabad saab is what you should be bothered with whom it will remain. Yeah. Central givt will take care. You will get T with warangal as capital.
Like you we Hyderabadis are also not bothered about the other areas. We want Hyderabad as a separate state like Danam and Mukesh said with 34 constiuencies.
Ravi says:
August 28, 2013 at 8:20 am
In Guntur district, there is a port (on the coast) named Nizampattanam, now claim that as well. At one point even Guntur was under Nizam.
If we go by your logic for huzurnagar, then there is Gunturpalle in Warangal, which you T-fellows always tell about. That should belong to Seemandhra per your hatred filled honesty.
Bhadrachalam was sold to us, now if you need it ask like a beggar. Dont steal it like Pak stole part of kashmir.
Reply to Ravi says: August 28, 2013 at 8:20 am
Fellow,
In Guntur district, there is a port (on the coast) named Nizampattanam, now claim that as well. At one point even Guntur was under Nizam.
If we go by your logic for huzurnagar, then there is Gunturpalle in Warangal, which you T-fellows always tell about. That should belong to Seemandhra per your hatred filled honesty.
Bhadrachalam was sold to us, now if you need it ask like a beggar. Dont steal it like Pak stole part of kashmir.
Ah Ah — Rudra ..are you confused ? Its not a matter to discuss between both of us because central govt will decide… Now. dont say who is govt. you will be treated as anti-national.
Yeah. Central givt will take care. You will get T with warangal as capital.
You missed this Indian and Humanatrian … Honest, Commited and Visionary from Telangana having Relatives & Friends in SA and Accrros Globe. Mr Rao, first decide to show which face you want to show, Hatred aganist T or Cunning aganist T. First Recollect and Realize, how much of Andhra Pradesh you visited and know.
Looks like we have been invaded by a bunch of people who would make big noises so that other people would be scared to argue. Typical style, if you know what I mean.
This style also reminds me of a poem:
Alpudeppudu palku aadambaramugaanu ….
Yep … This is for you and Rest Sajjanudu Paluku challaganu is mine…. at least accept now you dont want to spread hatred ….else …you will get your kind of reply…..
Your comments anything but CHALLAGANU and hence you are not a SAJJANUDU
Crap Mr VK… you dont have content to talk …
Countering without content is your expertise Mr Crap.
T-Terrorists terrorizing Visalandhra Sabha as usual as they suppress all debates.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b0fRJVIZLx4
They will shut your mouth and media, the two sources that can bring out their lies.
SA terroists terrored Jai Andra meetings …
Jaundice eyes see everything in yellow
Correct … you explained your deficiency.
You are the one accusing others and not me.
I wonder why JOURNALISTS from T never allow Visalandhra Mahasabha meetings to be conducted in Hyderabad. Why are they so scared?
http://www.sakshi.com/news/andhra-pradesh/telangana-journalists-attacked-visalandhra-mahasabha-representatives-at-basheerbagh-press-club-60852
I too wonder why SA people did not allowed to conduct Jai Andra Meeting
It is also surprsing why those meeting are NOT held in SA Region and any part of Telangana other than Hyderabad ? If you are true to your heart, you should take efforts to conduct meeting — This shows you just want to do that for publicity stunt, not for real cause.
Have you just come out of Yaragadda hospital? Otherwise you would notice the agitations going on in SA for keeping AP intact. Moreover Parakala Prabhakar gaaru tried several times to conduct Visalandhra Mahasabha meeting in telangana but people like you never allowed the meetings.
Never happend in Telangana … If you guys dont allow Jai Andhra meeting how can imagine your Vishalandra meeting in T region… ? use common sense… don;t be a fool…hope you miss Yarragadda… Dont worry we will soon send folks like you there….
ఆంధ్రప్రదేశ్ రాష్ట్ర విభజనపై ప్రస్తుతం రాష్ట్రంలో తీవ్ర గందరగోళ పరిస్థితి నెలకొందని, దానికి రాజకీయ పార్టీలే కారణమని విశాలాంధ్ర మహాసభ ప్రతినిధులు ఆరోపించారు. అయితే విశాలాంధ్ర మహాసభ ప్రతినిధుల వ్యాఖ్యలను ఆ సమావేశంలో తెలంగాణ జర్నలిస్టులు వ్యతిరేకించారు. దాంతో ఇరువర్గాల వారు మధ్య తోపులాట చోటు చేసుకుంది.
VMS alleged that political parties have created confusion in the state. Telangana journalists condemned this allegation. The two groups then jostled with each other
If the taps of the house of an officer belonging to T in SA are removed by some miscreants, it is called a planned attack.
If the JOURNALISTS themselves behave like agitators in the garb of journalism, you defend it.
DO JOURNALISTS CONDEMN ALLEGATIONS OF POLITICIANS RIGHT IN THEIR FACE AND START ATTACKING THEM? I have not seen that before.
If this is true, Modi should have been attacked by journalists who did not like his actions during Godhra incidents.
http://www.thehindu.com/todays-paper/tp-national/tp-andhrapradesh/taps-removed-from-deos-house/article5043738.ece
http://www.thehindu.com/todays-paper/tp-national/tp-andhrapradesh/trsma-condemns-attack-on-ongole-deo/article5047798.ece
Strange & Disgusting.. Journalists behaving as a group when they are invited for coverage.
yeah same feeling when Andhra Media writes aganist Telangana
Ravi saab. This kind of incidents give immense strength to make Hyderabad separate. Keep it up. The central givt like you said will decide
And do read the CWC resolution. It never says 10 districts. So from there to note in cabinet to suggestions in assembly to suggestions by president to parliament discussions, BJP's own riders and your lovely violent actions will all lead to a T with warangal as capital.
I love Telangana to have warrangal as its capital. its very good idea, Telangans can now work hard and make warrangal city like NY city. KCR can be mayor or Governor or CM of Telangana and inspire people to work hard. Andhras will develop Vizag or Vijayawada. Hyderabadis will take care of Hyderabad STATE and its development. Any one can come to hyderabad and be part of it.
Jai Hyderabad State.
At this stage i really dont think AP will stay together. Its not practical after so much of hate stirred among people. Samaikandhra movement is not having a leader and is not having a direction. The only movement which will save Hyderabad is seperate Hyderabad state. Seperate Hyderabad state will ensure equal access to Hyderabad resource for people of all regions.
Jai Hyderabad State.
@sera and blueshift
With everybody's wishes fulfilled, there are going to be at least four pieces coming out of AP. The Deccan is going to look like Assam pretty soon.
http://www.sakshi.com/news/andhra-pradesh/trs-meeting-on-september-6th-in-karimnagar-61182
If Telangana should be given because of people sentiment, why not Hyderabad be made the permanent joint capital because of sentiment? Why not Samaikyandhra be there because of sentiment? How come only one region is allowed to have sentiment and the other region people are asked not to have sentiment?
The realty is that if the division happens, for the next 50 years both the states will be fighting over river water, power and other court cases. Politicians on both sides will whip up sentiments to cover up their failures. This is especially true of Telangana politicians as they have given tall promises to Telangana people of a golden age coming if the state is divided. Both states will loose investment which will go to TN, Karnataka and Maharastra. The Telugu peple will be ultimate loosers in this game.
@Ashish Kumar: "The realty is that if the division happens, for the next 50 years both the states will be fighting over river water, power and other court cases. Politicians on both sides will whip up sentiments to cover up their failures. This is especially true of Telangana politicians as they have given tall promises to Telangana people of a golden age coming if the state is divided. Both states will loose investment which will go to TN, Karnataka and Maharastra. The Telugu peple will be ultimate loosers in this game."
I agree with what you are saying here. The future fights between T and truncated AP will be a thing to watch. Regarding investments, AP is losing investments big time for the last four or so years. It is not going to stop whether the state bifurcates or not. The best it can do is to keep what it has now. When people look back on our history they would say the golden age of Telugus in modern times peaked around year 2005 or so.
About your other point, I also wonder why only T people's sentiment counts and no other's.
@Ashish Kumar
I agree with what you are saying here. The future fights between T and truncated AP will be a thing to watch. Regarding investments, AP is losing investments big time for the last four or so years. It is not going to stop whether the state bifurcates or not. The best it can do is to keep what it has now. When people look back on our history they would say the golden age of Telugus in modern times peaked around year 2005 or so.
About your other point, I also wonder why only T people's sentiment counts and no other's.
Constitution of India does not allow one state capital to be in another state. SA sentiment is to have Hyderabad and not people of Telangana….. Make Tirpuati,Vizag, Hyderabad as UTs …
SA agitations is for unitedAP, which means to keep AP as it is. You could ask which ever city in SA as UT when SA ask for the separation.
Just make Tirpuathi and Hyd as UT … Problem solved
Problems will be solved by keeping AP as it is and folliwng the 6 option (the most preferred one) of SKC report.
http://www.thehindu.com/todays-paper/tp-national/tp-andhrapradesh/did-tyrant-nizam-loot-his-subjects/article5069939.ece
Excerpt -
The legendary wealth of the Nizam was nothing but the result of a series of measures designed to loot the people of Hyderabad.
Good book. Read the preface. It tells how the buggers of OU manipulated the sentiments of students to achieve a hyderabad state.
http://www.eenadu.net/news/newsitem.aspx?item=panel&no=12
These are the things, people of both telangana and andhra should fight on.. Not one against other.
The greatness of Indian people is that we do not fight for such things but we will fight for casteism, regionalism and religionism. These issues instigate people much easily than real issues.
There were efforts by Nehru to make Hindi as national language but unforunately our southern states did not agree for that …. whole country should have a common language and common education System, not state boards….as long we live in States world….region, reliong evertyhing is encouraged. I see lot of efforts to promote telugu language and no efforts to promote Hindi and English for Rural people…
Dont worry Ravi. Owaisi said Telangana must have Urdu as official language and Telugu as second language. Your hindi wish is coming to you….
Even Today, urdu is Official Language in AP….if some muslim sees this comment, he might respond back defaming telugu … Is that your expectation ?
Even today, Urdu is second official and only spoken by thurka population. Those fellows will respond on telugu whether you comment on them or not you half telugu. u seem to be worried more than them.
If you really believe in what you said, then you should oppose AP bifurcation. The bifurcation will add more problems to what you said already.
Chakravarthy: I heard someone say you called for Andhra leaders to resign. Is this correct?
In your first reaction to the CWC you asked them to stay put & vote against the bill/resolution. I believe that is a better strategy.
Vote against the bill in Assembly will have no impact on the bill? Similarly, SA MPs voting against the bill will not affect the bill since BJP supporting it. So the best option should be the resignation of all SA MLAs/MPs, which may lead to falling of the minority governments. If the governments at the centre and state fall, then the question of bill passing or not will not arise.
I wanted to know if Chakravarthy has changed his tactics.
BTW AP Govt.'s fate is immaterial to the process.
Center Govt will NOT fall and State Govt. Collapse is centers wish…. If Bill or No Bill, 2014 election event is infront of them … Agree or Deny…everything will be w.r.t coming elections.
We wish that the centre go 2014 elections without the bill.
United or Separated, Mr. Nallamothu is bound to do good business in future in the name of Telugu…
This is the worst of the crap you have been posting here.
I dont know his political inclinations, but I hope in future he will become a big politician leader in AP. Our politics is too much left leaning, with his conviction and his ideology if he is able to tilt the balance even a little to the right, that is a great service to the nation.
@GK says "United or Separated, Mr. Nallamothu is bound to do good business in future in the name of Telugu"
When people like you are ready to sell anything to make little business in the name of Telangana, I think any future business in the name of Telugu looks very bleak.
Besides, when the golden goose is dead and separate Telangana business is bankrupt, I can see people who used to make living by stealing and killing somebodyelse"s hard earned golden goose may try it again, this time crowding the future business in the name of Telugu – like the good old times of 1956. So don"t worry. in either you will have flourishing business, while Nallamotu garu continue to spend his money to support this server so that you can post your crap.
So much history and so less time.
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/hyderabad/Hyderabad-man-held-for-raping-daughter/articleshow/21664009.cms?intenttarget=no
The guy is an auto driver. Hindus of Nizam Telangana and Muslims of Nizam Hyderabad are demeaning each other in the comments. See the comments. The hindu guys portray the auto driver as a muslim and the muslim guys say nay. In Etemaad urdu news and Azaad Hyderbaad urdu tabloid owned by Mayor Majid Hussain of GHMC , MIMs Owaisi says this vilification of them can only be cured if they have their Hyd state (the full Nizam state) back, others such as MBT say only Nizamabad, Adilabad, Karimnagar, Medak, RR and Hyd are enough. MBT has already named it Northwest Hyderabad State. We have heard of North Telangana (the Old Maratha Telangana) and South Telangana but never of Northwest Hyd and Southeast Hyd. According to the muslim political laws in quran, hadis etc it says clearly that the forcefully occupied lands of muslims have to be rewon in future. There are so many videos on the Youtube about this subject. Please watch.
From Hyderabad marching towards an independent Deccan Nation
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P5O7E9qLqDI
Hyderabad (Old and Proposed Flag)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F8s-TMkJJiA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yT5-BZ0-pVY
Jai Gottimukkala says:August 29, 2013 at 3:17 am"Chandra, why should Andhras be united with bandits?"
This confusion among separatists is coming because of the poor fundamental understanding of the situation by the Telangana agitation leaders.Its NOT that integrationists want to stay with separatists. Its separatists "have been" staying with integrationists as if they dont have any other choice. If you do not want to stay in AP, please leave AP. India has good amount of land to accomodate. You have a choice..We resist any effort to destroy AP. The Economy, history and vision of AP are made by the people of AP. This discussion was over in 1956 and our forefathers formed AP.This is the critical thing the so called Telangana intellectuals are not able to grasp.
Now u will ask me if i am saying no state can be divided in future ever? NO. i am not saying that even though its debatable. But without a consensus and the opinion of the people of AP (no matter which district their domicile is from), IT WILL NEVER BE ALLOWED to be separated, not just AP, but ANY state in India.
Now why I called Bandits. Its still ok even if you are a separatist, because you have freedom to express your opinion. But if they do not want the common assets like a capital city to be shared, and want entirely for them, its called ROBBERY. THEFT.I dont want to be part of this great robbery and I will encourage my fellow Telangana people not to be part of this theft.Telangana separatists who want separation but with a proper sharing of the common assets are not called as bandits. But the supporters of the other extremist group are definitely called as bandits. They are not separatists,they are bandits. Then it becomes a completely different situation to deal with these folks which certainly is not an impossible one.
Confusion is SA people not in Telangana — You just want HYD with you which you dont deserve.
Even the Telanganas dont deserve Hyderabad exclusively. What is their contribution so uniquely that others didnt. Only Hyderabadis deserve Hyderabad. It should be a state of its own with the size as defined in the fourth option of the SKC committee
An other option is to be an SAR like in pondicherry model. being inside Telangana is not an argument at all. Pondicherry is in three pieces and in three states but is a single SAR. So there is every provision and example in the Indian constitution to make it – and that too with a simple majority.
Telanagana Gives Krishna Drinking for Hyderabad…. RangaReddy, Mahaboob Nagar, Medak and Nalgonda …giving food…if you want to keep just Hyderabad…please keep it…. everything is in Telangana….. Dont follow Oosaravelli Undavelli. Airport, Hitech City almost 8 % of GHMC not in part of Telangana … Just HYD is only 20 % … Dont talk too much of Hyderabad… PJR, VH are from Hyderabad… you are refugee from other place and talking nonsense
Ravi, well said. Neeku unantha buddhi verey T-vedavalaki ledhu. nuvvu hydlo telangana refugeevi ayina baga cheppavu local hyderabadi cheppinantha baga.
Which bit of unitedAP you don't understand.
Hindu news paper says Roar of People.
http://www.thehindu.com/todays-paper/tp-national/tp-andhrapradesh/roar-of-people/article5073889.ece
never before in Tirumala history..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0WqY3_3kbHE
Aum Namo Venkatesaya…
Andhrulaki namaskaramulu. Maa Tirumala archakulandharu homamu cheyuchunnamu. ee homamu yokka lakshyamu brashtu pattipoyi thappududharina padina Telangana janamu satyanuveshanamu cheyavalenani lekuntey sarvanasenamu ayipovalenani.
Sri Venkanna has woke up.
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It is sickening for SA people including CM to force the telugu jathi concept on T people and justify the colonization of T. Folks attitue will only make the T people love telugu less than what they do now…
Such comments have no meaning. For us, it is even more sickening & frustrating to see KaChaRa and his extorsionist gang rake up issues based on lies and screwed up a progressive state.
Only non-telugus make such comments.
EXCELLENT. YOU WILL WANT HIM AS CHIEF MINISTER
Cong Tulasi Reddy on AP politics with NRIs – Varadhi – USA – Part 2 – Tv9
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ol_SIranAKw
Almost all the T supporters question and claim that Andhras separated from Madras state and therefore, they also can demand separation. Also, so many conspiracy theories are floated around that event.
I do not understand why the Seema Andhra politicians and also the so called experts do not refute this allegation.
In my view, the answer is pretty simple.
The areas of Rayala Seema and Coastal Andhra which were gifted/ceded/conceded by Nizam to the British were clubbed with the Madras Presidency and later became Madras state. There was no choice for the Telugu people in this merger. Even before independence, Telugus were fighting for separation.
In the case of Andhra Pradesh, the people of Hyderabad state agreed for the merger of Andhra state with the Telugu speaking areas of Hyderabad state. As a result of this acceptance in both the Hyderabad Assembly and Parliament, the Teugu speaking areas of Hyderabad state and Andhra were merged to form A.P. The other Kannada and Marathi speaking areas were merged with their respective states. This was done in INDEPENDENT INDIA.
Not just that. In 1972, during Jai Andhra movement, leaders from Telangana who agitated for a separate state just 3 years ago in 1969, instead of demanding a separate state, agreed for a compromise formula and continued in the united state until 2001.
So, there is no comparison between the Andhras separation from Madras state and T leaders asking for separation from A.P.
I am not saying they do not have a right. THEY DO. But, the separation must be first agreeable to the people of Seema Andhra. How? As Don Corleone says in the God Father, MAKE AN OFFER WHICH THEY CAN NOT REFUSE.
T separatists attitude is a DO AS I LIKE attitude. Every one knows that the strength behind this is Hyderabad. Naturally, the fight is about Hyderabad.
@AMRAO
You are so right. Look at these scenarios. The next king or queen of England says, Oh that stupid Atlee and Labour government granted India's independence, they were under stress from second World War and also the machinations of Fakir Gandhi, and good looker Nehru who mesmarized Mr. and Lady Mountbattens. We are rightly claiming the Crown Jewel that is India, back.
The Kashmiri's can say by following T-vaadi logic, you demanded independence from British, why can't we.
The way AP was formed in 1956, is a one way merger, one time deal. No going back. Like I can not go back to my youth however fervent and legitimate my wish is.
You are so right. Look at these scenarios. The next king or queen of England says, Oh that stupid Atlee and Labour government granted India's independence, they were under stress from second World War and also the machinations of Fakir Gandhi, and good looker Nehru who mesmarized Mr. and Lady Mountbattens. We are rightly claiming the Crown Jewel that is India, back.
The Kashmiri's and every other ethnic group in Assam can say by following T-vaadi logic, you demanded independence from British, why can't we.
The way AP wass formed, is a one way merger, one time deal. No going back. Like I can not go back to my youth however fervent and legitimate my wish is.
Well said AMRAO gaaru.
I did mentioned several times here and elsewhere that there is no comparison between SA separation from Madras state and telangana separation from AP. SA was part of Madras state because of our invaders (Nizam and British) whereas telangana and SA merged to create AP with the approval of Andhra and Hyd state assemblies. Hyd state was split (16 districts, 8 telugu [aka telangana], 5 marathi and 3 kannada) and merged with 3 states on linguistic basis. So technically telangana was also separated from Hyd state like andhra separated from Madras state. Who asked telangana to separate from Hyd state? Unlike Andhra, telangana was never been a state. So the separation is not a demerger. Since no region has been separated so far with parent state capital, telangana separation with Hyd city need whole state approval. Since SA is against AP bifurcation (less than 1% of SA people participated in recent ABN survey supported telangana), the centre cann't separate telangana with Hyd against the wishes of majority of AP people.
Another obsurd argment telangana agitators making recently is that we are fighting for telangana for 60 years whereas you (SA) only started agitation recently. Why would any one fight for unitedAP when we are in unitedAP? Current agitation is against the Congress CWC decision on AP bifurcation. Kashmir wants to separate from India, although majority Indians oppose it we don't see any agitations in India. This is because Kashimir is still part of India. If India/UN make a decision to separate Kashimir from India, then you would see agitations all over India against the decision. Similarly, the majority people in AP are for unitedAP and therefore started agitations only when Congress CWC made a decision about AP bifurcation.
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