Video Clilps of TV9’s Varadhi Program
Here are the clips from the TV9 program that was aired live during the US daytime hours on November 14th.
Part1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bbr_OW4rzVU
Part2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WnI__3-AJLo&feature=related
Part3: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8xLMqa0fSWM&feature=related
Part4: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGbqvasMfWo&feature=related
Save Andhra Pradesh!
Nalamotu Chakravarthy
http://www.visalandhra.org
http://www.facebook.com/visalandhra
http://www.myteluguroots.com
http://www.facebook.com/people/@/226703252445
http://twitter.com/nalamotu
http://www.amazon.com/My-Telugu-Roots-Telangana-Bhasmasura/dp/0984238603
Hope it went well.Saw the news too late.
Namaste Chakravarthy garu,
Today I gone through the website http://www.myteluguroots.com/. I really appreciate your affords to make the facts visible to the world. With this people who want to know the facts can conclude the the claims made by separatists are false. Your affords will be fulfilled if the facts are published in Telugu and distributed at low cost or made available on your web site. Specially in India you will be successful only when you are reachable to the mass public. I hope you are not looking for money from your book. Try to make it available in telugu and keep it as nominal cost so that every person can buy and know the facts. My suggestion is that, you may try to add two more chapters to the book. One chapter about Nizam ruling and other chapter for the development strategies. Nizam chapter may explain how people suffered and people fight to come out of Nizam rule. Just by looking at the some of the buildings in Hyderabad we can not say that the Hyderabad is developed by Nizam's.
We started getting fruits of the globalization, the Telangana agitation is making us to go negative development. Even though we have great potential for development these politicians do not like us the to develop in life. They (politicians) want to be rich but not others. We should be able to prove/ convince that this agitation is purely for the benefit of political carrier. I know it is very difficult task to convince people as human tendency is to listen the bad first, they realise when they are effected.
Developmental strategies:
Industries should be establishes in every District. Encourage the employment in the district level not at the state capital.
Saving water is nothing but producing water. Come up with the projects on Krishna and Godavari rivers to stop releasing water into the ocean. We can have some projects (like nagarjunasagar ) just before, the points where water is merging into the ocean.
Implement the free education and healthcare to every one as part of the system.
Thanks for listening to me.
Regards
Sreenivasa Reddy Bonthu.
Dear Mr Nalamothu,
I am writing this message to thank you for creating a platform in nizam region to raise the voice for Visalandhra, I hope you continue the same , As a NRI , I am behind you to support you in all aspects.
Yours Sincerely
Rohit Potineni
Dear Chakravarthy,
Great Job on varathi,,,,very impressing. May be this is first time, a non political person and also from telangana making a bold statement about the need for the unity of telugus. There are lot of people with the same view, but they have no voice, they are threatened with the consequences. Keep going, we are all with you.
Tom, USA
I saw the recorded version on my computer from TV9 website, all 4 parts. Kudos. Excellent presentation. I recommend to others to watch so we are all clear about the issues.
Good one sir, here are the links to the interview
http://www.snehatv.com/Ondemand.aspx?purl=Bbr_OW4rzVU&Related=True
NALAMOTHU CHAKRAVARTHY IS ANDHRTA SETTLER IN NALGONDA,TELANGANA. HE HAS ANDHRA BLOOD.
Venkat- This topic has been discussed on this blog many times. My father was born in our native village near Nalgonda. My mother was born near a village close to Kodada. I was born in Hyderabad's Niloufer hospital. You are a fascist bigot and my fight is against people like you.
It is complete bull shit. He is presenting false information.
Andhra settlers looted telangana, if you want i can give tons of examples.
CM will be always from costal andhra beacause of the magic numbers in state assembly. your answer was so stupid.
Your refeence of TRS for telangana was also false. Who contested with out talking about telangana in last assembly polls.
so completely non sense programmme all together
I have watched your program,I liked your way of presentation as well as like your homework and information you have gathered to support your thoughts.But overall you are not presenting the issue as an balanced person,rather you are trying to say you are correct.As an educated individual we need to present in better way and both pros and cons along with solution.
One thing every one should agree Including me 'Physical handling shouldn't be encouraged,I will condemn the attack on Prabhakar'.At the same time when an individual or an organization presenting some views, it should be done in very polite way without hurting others feeling so that they should able to think other side of it.
There are no trues(or good) and falses(or bad) in the world,those are all based on context,circumstances and perceptions.
Following few points based on your arguments.
1.You said '2/3 of Nizam state MLA's agreed for merger and to form the State of AP'.When you said all present politicians are exploiting and looking for theire party benefits,on the same token those days politicians are also might agreed based on theire parties vested interests.As you are against for public mandate/openion, we can take the Majority MLAS (representing the region) openion,are we ready to give it based on that?
We are electing our Representatives for Assembly as well as Parliment to discuss and decide to change the constitution which is appropriate for the people whom they are representing(even though they didn't get elected by all citizens).
2.You said that Hyd CM agreed for merger of Andhra and Hyd States and to form new state AP.If that is the case Central Home Minister AP Assembly all party floor leaders (Akhila Paksha) agreed for telangana will that decide to give AP.
3.I want to correct your statement 'so many people died for Vishalandra',This is not correct,People who ever fought in Nizam/Hyd state is not died for vishalandra,they fought against Razakars only nothing to do with Vishalandhra.
4.Earlier Central government formed new states (Second SRC) based on Linguistic,now we can say it is based on majority peoples openion.Change is always there in Human lifes,let us take openion about state bifurcation or statusquo from people mandate or people representatives mandate based on that we can rejectly rule out outrightly.There should be a scientific reason to take any decision,but not because of some one asking or some one don't want or not at mercy of any political parties,ultimately in democracy majority peoples openion should win that is the way our government forms and rules let us stick to the basics.It doesn't matter what vishalandhra wants or what TRS or TDP or BJP or Congress wants.It doesn't matter each individual Prabhakar or Chakravarty or myself or any one else it is just peoples mandate wins in democracy.
1) 2/3 people's representatives comment was in the context of those that allege that the two regions have been forcibly merged and that the people of Nizam were against the merger. I am not against a public mandate. I am fine with whatever national framework we come up with for creation of new states.
2) Hyderabad CM and Kosta-Seema CM comment is made in the context of allegations of "forced merger". I am fine with a national framework for creation of new states that applies to all the states in India.
3) Yes, people died fighting Razakars. However, the underlying goal for communists has always been Telugu unity and state. Please read Veera Telangana by Raavi Narayan Reddy. Where did Visalandhralo Prajarajyam came from? Why did communists of Nizam region called their organization 'Andhra Mahasabha'? You might also want to consider the Kakatiya fight for Telugu unity and the millions of men that died fighting for Vijayanagara Empire.
4) I am fine with a broad national framework. Your simple majority I don't think will work. People change opinions every 5 years on political parties and throw them out of office. If we keep dividing the states on a simple majority basis, there will be no end to the political shenanigans. I am fairly certain that a majority of people in Hyderabad would prefer to see the city declared as UT, if the state were to be divided. Would you be ok with it? I am not fine with it. Tomorrow, a majority in the old city of Hyderabad will want a separate state, would you do it? The subject requires a deeper study.
Nani- Please go through my website and you can't find the usual foul language that you find on other sites. The principle I follow is simple. You are free to write anything you want as long as you don't use abusive language. It is likely you are coming to the site first time, so I am going to let go for this time. Yes, please provide those "tons of examples".
Mr chakravarthy you are 100% right, I saw your varadhi tv9 program, it was superb and fabulous.
Sorry I missed the program as I saw the news too late. In fact, my first assumption was that the program is today (11/16 2 PM EST) before I read the comments by those who saw it.
Regarding Ashok's points, my two cents worth here:
1. The vote was never taken, the "supported count" is based on a book. Even if we ignore this for now and accept your claim, this can't be treated as eternal.
2. Did Ramkishen Rao support Visalandhra after the agreement was signed? If yes, his support was probably conditional. Even if we ignore this for now and accept your claim, this can't be treated as eternal.
3. The slogan "విశాలాంధ్రలో ప్రజారాజ్యం" was never used during the so called సాయుధ పోరాటం. The slogan was coined much later for the 1955 Andhra state elections (where the CPI lost seats to Congress). The సాయుధ పోరాటం was fought on the దున్నేవాడిదే భూమి forum.
In any case we should remember the focus in the "విశాలాంధ్రలో ప్రజారాజ్యం" sologan is less on విశాలాంధ్ర (the new state projected as a worker's paradise) and more on Stalin approved "ప్రజారాజ్యం" (democracy which in communistese does not meet Abe Lincoln's definition). Today's reds quoting the Congress resolution on linguistic states is the basis of the విశాలాంధ్రలో ప్రజారాజ్యం slogan is absolute nonsense.
4. I disagree with Ashok here. SRC recommended some linguistic states but argued against Visalandhra, Maharashtra, Gujarat, Punjabbi Subah & Haryana. The committee recommended the basis of "wishes of the people, to the extent they are objectively ascertainable and do not come into conflict with larger national interests" (see SKC page # 391) for formation of states. In other words, SRC recommended the same basis that Ashok is asking for, not language.
This basis continues to be applicable today and the same litmus test (majority and, in the abscence of any other pointer, a "simple majority) can be applied to Telangana. SKC's preference for option 6 over option 5 flows from their interpretation of conflict with national interests (e.g. possible Naxalite resurgence, severe disturbances in Andhra etc.). It may be worth noting here that both SRC and SKC rejected the "one language one state” formula (SKC pages # 434 & 438).
These are quite important historical facts,they need to go through the public .
First, let me offer my sincere thanks for taking the T-lies head on in the Varadhi program. Your answers were point on and didn't give much scope to T caller’s to questions your facts unlike who jump from one point to other in the blogs. Wish we had known about your appearance before hand so that more integrationist’s would have called in.
What is missing in the AP media today – an independent, rationale discussion/forum to discuss this T agitation. Every time, when someone talks about the need to stay United, the remaining members of the panel will bulldoze you with irrelevant and loud arguments.
I watched the Prakala discussion on ABN and the VMS meeting at the Jubliee Hall. Parakala didn't speak ill of T people or sentiments. But one caller (I think Raju from Dallas) twisted the words and started threatening VMS members that they will be treated the same way if they questioned the statistics of Prof. Harigopal and opposed the T movement that was spread by TRS party. Good luck to this bigot.
I watch the TV5-Newscan, NTV – Live show with KSR, TV9- News Watch & ABN debates in the mornings whenever I get a chance. What you see in these debates are loud mouthed politicians who don't respect the freedom of speech and don't have the patience to hear other opinions and force to suppress other argument by shouting loud and confuse the audience.
I wanted to share one more thing about the Varadhi program. 9 out 10 times, most callers ask the same question which was answered by the guest and some of the folks who call in should be more prepared to ask the question quickly and straight forward. The guests also should be given ample time and answer to the point.
Good afternoon… Chakravarthi Garu…..
I have watched your fabulous presentation in Varadhi at TV9, it was quite intresting than others. Some answer from the Politicians in Varadhi is boaring due to their Off-knowldge and their political party boasting.
Watever the topic it might in varadhi, all answers were given by you, great satisfied with the callers.
It was the first time i came to know about Mr.Chakravarthy… any way nice to hear about U.
Great job… welldon, keep it up.
Have great day…. Thanking u.
Chakravarthi Garu,
I was born and brought up at Hyd. I was under wrong impression till yesterday. After watching your program, I realized myself that how stupid I was living hearing to all others' nonsence thoughts. Its all a game being played by so called politicians. At the end, no one bothers about a common man. Very nice program and check if you can plan more such program where in which you can reach out to many. Big ups again for all your efforts.
Dear Mr. Chakravarthy,
It was a pleasant surprise to know that a telangana guy is representing a unified telugu state, when i saw varadhi yesterday. It was also nice to see to some one take a non-emotive and a very professional stand point and confine to records while answering any query on that subject.
These are the days where hatred goes into people's hearts and minds much easily than love and kindness….It took 11 years for TRS to spread lies and half truths and venom against the coastalites. It would take reasonably some years for people like you to undo that. Not sure, political compulsions of a spine less central & state governments can wait upto that point of time?
Thanks to the efforts of TVs like Hmtv for the discussions they set up – every commoner in the other two regions got a chance to understand the perception of people and leaders of Telangana.
Although i am a settler having roots from coastal andhra as well as telangana (my fore fathers are from coastal and fore mothers are from telangana), I sincerely feel that smaller states can be better administered – hence i am for Telangana. I also feel that, TRS is the sole reason for the mismanagement of this cause – rather than spitting venom on settlers and accusing everyone else for the pathetic situations in rural telangana, had they focused their campaign on the advantages of a smaller state, this cause would have realised by now.
I never got a chance to represent my views on any public forum till now. But, i would request you to consider these inputs when u talk on a public forum next time:
1) Perception is stronger than truth – When you start believing you stop thinking… for good or bad, a perception is already there in the masses of Telangana that they are at loss (tangible / intangible) due to united AP. They are already believing it deeply and beliefs are non-negotiable. Leaving truths apart, that perception needs to be addressed with all sincerity. Creating Telangana is one possible solution for that.
Similarly, there is a perception among the settlers and coastallites and seemites that they would be subjected to atrocities if Telangana is formed – They would be treated like Pandits in Kashmir – which might not be true. That perception also need to be addressed. May be giving the settlers a constitutional guarantee for their security in Telangana state by defining a regional minority with a constitutional amendment, and creating one ministry for the welfare of settlers in Telangana cabinet could be one possible solution to correct this perception.
2) I was a believer of BJP before godhra riots. I take a strong exception to a party like BJP taking a completely one sided approach on Telangana – not even considering the fate of settlers and future relationships of the 2 states, if a new state is created with out balancing the concerns of both.
3) A couple of interesting statements i keep hearing in these discussions is – anna tammulla vidipodam (lets get divided like brothers) -
Nehru – told on the same day of announcing merger that – an innocent girl is being married to a smart boy – they can divorce any time they want.
Most of the settlers perception – the innocent girl turned into an oversmart wife. She is beating the husband and threatening him to book under domestic violence prevention act (warnings like bhookampalu vastai – Bhautika dadulu tappav). (No offense to any women – just a view)
It's customary in a divorce case that the husband will give some bharanam (contingent payment) to the wife…now the assets created by wife and husband together (Hyderabad) is in the wife's name… and with out that the husband is just a pauper – now who will pay bharanam to whom? if the wife denies, will the elder (GOI) who christened the marriage arrange it?
4) The first karimnagar bye electioin after TRS was formed saw the TDP candidate polling 2 Lakh + votes. By that time TDP never openly or directly supported Telangana and still being viewed as a samaikhyandra Party. I don't think those 30% are either settlers or against Telangana. They just dont believe in either TRS or Congress.
5) PV Narasimha Rao – The most effective & visionary Prime Minister INDIA ever had is from Telangana. It's an irony that such a region is not able to give one credible / truthful leader with vision to its own people.
Coming to the question of small states , lets assume that small states are good for governance . Then we need to divide entire India into small states , not just AP . There needs to a broad framework that needs to be applied in entire India. We need to define what is a small state . Is it 'X' population or 'Y' area. TG with its 10 districts will not be a small state. It will be larger than many other states
Coming to the question of settlers safety , the only way to ensure that is control of police and courts should not be under TG govt . No amount of guarantees will work. Police should be under direct control of central govt or governor.
I am sorry, but the demand for small states for administrative convenience is a phony excuse. Such demands usually come from regions that are far away from the capital. So, if Uttara Andhra or Rayalaseema makes separate state demand based on administrative convenience, it has some merit. Even Advani epxressed this exact same view some time ago.
I thought you are going to let us know, since you have a data mine. i only know little knowledge.
you are only exposing stuff that are in favour if united AP.
Telanganites lost their wisdom beacuse the fair share of power in secrateraite was not give,
can you also categerise the employees in sectaraite,not a high level
categorization by emploeee status( class 1,2,3 or 4 )
you are anlaysis very high level
can i give you a am example
say if you have two baskets and both have 100 apples in each.
at higher level we think they are same
but we also need to see if all the apples are good in both the baskets. that is what your analysis lags.
Oh Nani , Your TG fanatics already declared that stats on secretariat employees , go and consult them , they will give you the figures. Dont forget to ask them for source of that data.
Regd "Who contested with out talking about telangana in last assembly polls."
Cong contested and won handsomely , go and read what they wrote in their 2009 manifesto. If you voted without reading , it is your fault.
For everyone's ease of reference, please find enclosed the manifestos of INC for 2009 elections.
1. INC 2009 Elections Manifesto issued at the National Level : It does not even have the word 'Telangana' in it.
Source : http://ibnlive.in.com/news/full-text-congress-manifesto-for-general-elections-09/88510-37-65.html
2. INC 2009 Elections Manifesto issued by AP Congress. This is verbatim reproduction on Telangana
On the Telangana issue, the Congress Party pledges to honour the stand taken by the Government on the floor of the House. The Congress Government hasalready constituted a Committee of Members of both the Houses under the Chairmanship of senior Congress leader Sri K.Rosaiah. The report is awaited.
Source : http://66.28.216.162:8080/apcc/pdf/CongManifSlntPnts2403.pdf
Nani,
Here are some of the favourite numbers quoted by your brethren.
Memorize them, these are historical figures.
1) 91% of jobs in secretariat are taken by Andhras.
100% of people in Housing boards are Andhra’s. Zero from Telangana 
2) 70% of river Krishna catchment area is in Telangana but only 1% of water is given.
3) 80% of Godavari catchment area is in Telangana but only 10% water is allotted.
4) 300000 Telangana jobs have been looted whose monetary loss comes out to Rs 70,000,000,000,0 (seventy thousand crores). slightly less than the mega 2G scam
5) Telangana movement has been running since the last 56 years.
6) 600 students have committed suicide for the Telangana cause.
7) 65% of the industries in Telangana are owned by Andhraites. Zero are owned by Telanganites. They are not allowed to open industries in Telangana.
you can refer to “108 facts about Telangana” for a comprehensive list.
@Srinivas
I enjoyed reading your insightful comment. I just want to touch upon one point "that smaller states can be better administered". In these days of instant news coverage, greater mobility, widespread low cost communication available to both the government and the average citizen, does the size matter any more? In case of AP, if it is bifurcated, all the administration has to be doubled, support two cabinets with two capitals,with roughly half the revenue. Is not there something called economies of scale used in all business planning? What matters is sound policies. For example looking back last 55 years, all different adminstrations developed Hyderabad area at the expense of rest of the state.
Chakravarthy gaaru
One point you need to highlight is , what is development and how it can be measured . Development is tracked through Human development indices. Are HDI indicators for TG worse that that of AP ? Are HDI indicators of TG worse than that of India? If yes then TG is backward , If no , it means that TG is as good as ROI.
TG comparision should be with AP or India. It cannot be with Newyork or london or Dubai.
For me income levels are a good gauge for prosperity. I don't have high degree of confidence in HDI indicators. They are created by academicians/bureaucrats and often don't paint an accurate picture. For example, the recent indicator published by a govt document, declares a district as backward if there is a significant sc/st population. I think the HDI indicator has about a third of weightage to the number of sc/st. To me that sounds inaccurate and racist too.
Justification for separation of Andhra state from Madras presidency is no different from urge for separate Telangana state. There was also deep dislike against tamils during that period among the Andhras. Infact Andhra state formation in 1953 caused ripple effect in subsequent separate state movements. Andhra state in 1953 only managed to get undisputed telugu regions leaving disputed regions in Tamilnadu.
Nope , you are wrong . You are comparing chalk & cheese. Andhras wanted a separate state based on language. They did not make up fake stats about how tamils cheated them in madras state etc like you guys did. Andhras did not say that tamils are culturally dominating , finanacially dominating , politcially dominating and all that BS.
Yes , Andhra state did not get the disputed regions. May be there is a lesson in it for you. If you really want TG state , you may be forced to give up 'HYD' , the disputed region
Separation based on language is as bad as separation based on religion, caste, tribe etc whetever you may call it. In that case separation of Andhra state from Madras was not only unnecessary but unwarranted. Stats or No stats Telanganas can also argue that they speak a different dialect and have a different culture or traditions and seek a separate state.
vkc ,
seperation based on the language is policy that is resolution passed by congress party many a time in the national congress meeting before independence as national policy. that is what telugus asked at that time from madaras state(include tamil,telugu,kannada, malayalam, oriyya regions) at that time. but you guys first created lies spread in the people and then say people has sentiments so give it. is this what u want as national policy.
@Andhra
You are correct in your reply. Madras Presidency was not an organized unit of administration in the Indian Union. It was a hodge-podge of areas held together by colonial British. It contained areas in the present day Orissa, Andhra, Seema, Mysore (Karnataka), Madras (Tamil Nadu) and possibly Kerala. Whenver British annexed some area they just added to this mixed bag. For Andhras to come out of Madras Presdency is inevitable. It has to be reorganized sooner or latter. It is a matter of restoring and preserving Andhra identity. Telugu people are not some insignificant minority group in India like Konkani or Tulu languages. I have handled Indian coins that contained words written in Telugu. Oka anna. Oka Beda. No need for such a linguistic group to play second fiddle to Tamil speakers. Restoring the historical self-identity is a duty of all Telugus at any cost. It was a pioneering and glorious chapter in the long history of Andhras. It became a model for all other groups in India. One other tidbit, during preindependence and independent administrations till Andhra formation, in Madras presidency out of a total of 11 chief ministers 8 were Andhras. It is not that we were underdogs, whiners and complainers. We came out to preserve our identity and we did. It cost us Madras city. According to Taguturi Prakasham, one of the chief ministers of Madras, autobiography he always knew Madras as a telugu city and nothing but a Telugu city. It did not even cross his mind that it would be an issue in the end who it belongs to. Still the centre and the Tamil politicians conspired against Andhra and kept it for Tamils because we asked for separation.
When you answer their questions with facts and figures, instead of acknowleding the reply T-vadis always come back with a disconnected question to throw you off guard. I have this question to them, how come there were more Chief Ministers of AP from Seema area that is much smaller than Telangana and Circars, the other two regions? You still want to blame the circar/Andhra people and politicians for everything?
The various linguistic movements played an important role in India. To this extent, the formation of Andhra in 1953 was a historic necessity.
However it is important to note language is not the only dimension of identity in India. Movements on other parameters including tribe, region etc. played an equal if not greater role in shaping India's destiny.
Neither the 1920 Lucknow resolution (if it can be treated as still valid) nor SRC supported language as the only unit of state formation. SRC categorically rejected the "one state, one language" solgan.
Unlike the Dhar committee that used a technical approach for state formation, SRC adopted a democratic angle, tampered only by national considerations. The linguistic principle was deemed to represent "the wishes of the people" on the strength of the Congress resolution. Accordingly SRC supported formation of states like Karnataka. SRC recommended against the case of states like AP & Maharashtra based on their assesment of the wishes of the affected people (Telangana & Vidarbha).
It is therefore clear that democractic aspirations (and not language) was the basis for every state formed in India so far. Culture, language, development or convenience etc. might have been used by the protagonists as an expression of the aspiration or to build a case. These do not however per se form the core of the decision making process.
The application of the linguistic principle is by no means complete or clear. Is Bhojpuri a language? If yes, should we not a form a state called Bhojpur from UP & Bihar? If Marwari is recognized as a language, is it not "significant" enough (in P. Rao's parlance) to have its own state? Why not split Hindi speaking Jammu from Urdu dominated Kashmir valley? Why not give statehood to Gorkhaland (Nepali) and Bodoland (Bodo) as they clearly do not speak the "state language"? Why not split Goa into two and merge the Marathi north with Maharashtra (as demanded by MGP for years) and Konkani south with Karnataka (or a new Konkani state)? Why not split Pondicherry and attach the parts to the language neighbors? Will Yanam not benefit more as a Kakinada suburb than a remote part of Pondy?
Linguists world over agree "language" is difficult to define precisely. Serbs, Croats & Bosniaks speak the same tongue (called Serbo-Croat during the Tito years) but claim their "language" is different. The official languages of Malaysia & Indonesia are virtually identical but the speakers formed separate countries by joining with dramatically different linguistic groups. Czech & Slovak "languages" are mutually inteligible to a great extent but this could not prevent the language (and political) split.
Jai- you wrote: "SRC recommended against the case of states like AP ". UNTRUE!
SRC recommended for the merger of Andhra State with the left over Telugu districts of Hyderabad State. The only caveat was that it put a 5 year waiting period and 2/3rd legislators approval. SRC cited several objective facts for the unification of both the telugu regions. Then it also cited allegations and apprehensions of a few separatist leaders. In the end it leaned towards integration, but suggested a 5-year waiting period to allay the separatist leader concerns. Both the Telugu leaders of the Hyderabad State and Andhra State did not have patience to wait for a 5 years.
You are the first guest sitting @ TV9, who answered with cool and composure. Unlike politicians, you stick to the point and supported your defense with facts and figures. That's very professional. I only see that kind of discussion only in dreams. These days, the political discussions in all TV channels have become a bad sound pollution. I wish the govt takes initiative and ban them. They are not doing any good.
1. Separatists should agree that bifurcation based on sentiment, sets a bad trend in the country. It will lead to the disintegration of the state.
2. Even though we discuss these things here, they are not reaching to the masses in all regions.
3. These days, TV channels are very biased, they are scared like everyone in presenting the other side of the coin. The Fourth estate is not doing its job.
4. Complete failure of protecting law and order in the state by the Govt. Police are not doing their job perfectly.
5. Political parties' mechanism had failed miserably.
@Andhra: Hyderabad is not a "disputed area" by any stretch of imagination. By resorting to such hallucinations, you reveal the true agenda behind the samaikyavadi dramabazi.
Oh , you forgot the true agenda behind TG dramabazi . Let center declare that TG will never be given with Hyd and then lets see if anyone in TG will be interested in this TG drama.
FYI , Hyderabad is and will be disputed area in case of dividing AP . In case Andhra state gets created ,it may or may not get any right over Hyd , but that doesnt mean that Hyd was disputed.
Coming to hallucinations ,it is the patent of TG fanatics , i wouldnt dare hallucinate , like millions of jobs , multiple promotions, kg to pg free education , water for 3 crops etc etc
@Jai : Can you please state what could be the parameter for formation of a new state.
1. Is it language or is it diaelect ?
Then why not grant statehoods to each language/diaelect.
2. Is it area? How much area?
Then all states need to be divided according to area.
3. Is it population? How many people constitute 1 state? 2 crore or 3 crore or 4 crore?
Then we need to merge some states with smaller population and some states need to be divided
4. Is it peoples' sentiment?
In kashmir, there is a strong feeling for its liberation from India. Can we respect it? don't give me the bull shit that states are different and country different. If you talk about sentiments and aspirations, pride and self respect, don't the people of kashmir have pride and self respect, aspirations and sentiments. Aren't they born on the earth? Did they come from any planet other than earth? Don't they have rights? why double standards?
Now a days people use "REASON" for their own convenience. For greater good of the nation, we have to follow certain system and abide by it. Just because some political unemployees rant about, pride and self respect, we should not act/dance to their music like puppets.
@Kreazy:
My comment looks to be still under moderation, please wait.
The framework for states formation is already defined long ago. This will stand good for all states even in the future.
I am not stopping you if you want to fight for Kashmir, just leave me out of your fights.
If you dislike unemployed politicians, you should be cut up with Tanguturi Prakasam & co as well as their modern avatar Dr. Prabhakar Parakala.
@jai wtote"@Andhra: Hyderabad is not a "disputed area" by any stretch of imagination. By resorting to such hallucinations, you reveal the true agenda behind the samaikyavadi dramabazi."
It doesn’t make that much to bring out your hallucination. For your info, with your greed and ego you may succeed in destroying the concept of visalandhra partially, but Hyderabad the cradle of visalandhra will never be separated from the parent state.
So let me know what is your hidden agenda for separate Telangana if it is not for stealing the golden goose?
@Jai “The framework for states formation is already defined long ago. This will stand good for all states even in the future.”
So what is the framework that mandates the formation of Telanagna. Did Assembly pass the resolution? Did Parliament agree for formation? Did the framework say that if some goons demand for separate state the majority of the state has to agree and automatically the assembly and the parliament has to pass the resolution?
@Kreazy :Here is my response
1. Is it language or is it diaelect ?
Then why not grant statehoods to each language/diaelect.
Response:It can be anything as long as it is viable,for that mater before Andhra state formation(second SRC) there was no language based statehoods as such in our constitution,during SRC majority people who could able to influence it,made a recommendation to get split Andhra state from Tamilnadu,now restoring Telangana is also no difference.Telangana demand should be treated same as Andhra state formation when it got seperated from Tamilnadu.
2. Is it area? How much area?
Then all states need to be divided according to area.
Response: Please enlight us what was the area as a guide line when Andhra state formed,if that area was good enough then why it got merged with Telangana.Our stand wrt Area wise Telangana state is as par with all other state areas.It is not going to be the biggest state, as well as not smaller than other existing states.
3. Is it population? How many people constitute 1 state? 2 crore or 3 crore or 4 crore?
Then we need to merge some states with smaller population and some states need to be divided
Response:I Same is applicable when the Andhra state formed from Tamilnadu.
4. Is it peoples' sentiment?
In kashmir, there is a strong feeling for its liberation from India. Can we respect it? don't give me the bull shit that states are different and country different. If you talk about sentiments and aspirations, pride and self respect, don't the people of kashmir have pride and self respect, aspirations and sentiments. Aren't they born on the earth? Did they come from any planet other than earth? Don't they have rights? why double standards?
Now a days people use "REASON" for their own convenience. For greater good of the nation, we have to follow certain system and abide by it. Just because some political unemployees rant about, pride and self respect, we should not act/dance to their music like puppets.
Response: When Andhra peoples sentiment influenced formation of Andhra state by bifurcating from Tamilnadu,same is applicable now.It is reasonable to compare with other states formation including Andhra or any other states formation including Andhra and Telangana merger.Still you want to compare and question about it, we don't have any different opinion, we will honor rest of Indians opinions not with your opinion.
Response: Ultimately you should come out of your own perceptions and look at all other states formation from the independence to latest happenings.Asking for a State separation by any region in democratic way is not wrong.Please give respect to others democratic demands.
I strongly believe that In a common state it is not possible to develop all regions who ever has more influence will keep winning it that is what happening now with few vested Andhra leaders influence,they are able to stop the declaration of 'Telangana formation' after Akhila Paksham support at State assembly level as well as Indian Governments decision.Those people are not giving respect to the elected reps both in state and center,made them to take a U-Turn on it.
People like us who are watching the incidents very closely after U-turn on Dec 9th statement feel very bad and question the concerns of Individuals who ever opposes formation of Telangana,and started believing in the Hard core Telangana leaders statements.
What a bunch of half truths . Andhra state was not created by splitting of Tamilnadu . Andhra was created by splitting of Madras state. And Madras state was an administrative division created by British .
While AP is a state recommended by SRC , created by an act of Indian Parliament . Indian parliament approval means all the people in India approved creation of AP state.
"I strongly believe that In a common state it is not possible to develop all regions who ever has more influence will keep winning it "
TG state will be still be in a small minority in Indian Parliament , may be you should ask for separate country.
I strongly believe that In a common state it is not possible to develop all regions who ever has more influence will keep winning it
Any kind of arguments based on divisive thought will automatically extended for sub-sivision.
When Telangana forms, it will be a common state for North Telangana, South Telangana and Hyderabad. All the perceptions of T-vaadis can be extended to them, then further it can be extended to each district.
Hyderabadis are thinking and arguing on the same lines, which, T-vaadis are oppossing tooth an nail. At present they are few. But this sentiment can be nurtured with sufficient campaign, then into a demand for separate state for Hyderabad alone.
Whether it is Andhra state (in past), TG (now) or Hyderabad (future) what matters is not just perception or opinion. It is ability to convince the concerned people to achieve the goal. The winner will be winner but the loser will end up like a cult group .
A friend of mine compares T-agitators with the group in movie anukokunda oka roju.
@Ashok
I strongly believe that In a common state it is not possible to develop all regions who ever has more influence will keep winning.
I very much agree with you, but in a different parlance. I strongly feel same thing has happened to our state Andhra pradesh in the context of united India. People of our state have always been taken granted by central government and People who have influence and power like tamils and marwardis have always dominated employment and economical avenues of India and ino our very region. The indifference or injustice done to Andhra pradesh when compared to other influential states like TN is countless. Therefore the fate of Telangana will not change even if a separate state is formed since aggression from other influential and intellectual races still remain since we still have to respect constitution of India and allow these influential races to make thier merry out ot us.Therefore I propose Telangana to be declared as a sovereign country. Some of the noteworthy(unworthy) reason I give to ;
1. 70% Automobile manufacturing facilities are housed in TN, where as AP has a Zilch though we have 8% of national demand for automobiles
2. TN makes 6000 crores from dubbing tamil serials and movies. Thanks to our very broad minded telugu audience, who still encourage them even after realising it costing jobs and talent of local telugus.
3. Marwaris conquer 80% of business of Hyderabad(Trading),in which our own telangana brothers would have easily chipped in
4. Most of jobs senior and influential jobs in IT in Hydeabad are held by non-telugus/non-telanganites .
5. We are glad to see almost 100,000 nurses from kerala working in AP to detriment of opportunities of our own telugu/telangana sisters.
6. 90% of Airlines/Airport authorities staff are non telugus.
7. Literally every opportunity in Hospitality industry is never grabbed telugus
8.One more Babli can be built by Maharastra and Height of almatti can be increased by another 20 ft to detriment of interests of Telangana
9 TN has well connected highways made possible by influential tamils in politics and beurocracy in national highway authority works, and same thing has not happened in Telangana/Andhra.
10. UP and Bihar farm workers are now beginning to creep into opportunities of telangana agri labour.
11. Almost all the brand ambassadors are either Hindi or tamil actors(levaing one or two ) or non telugu sports men. While abhishek bachan gets all that money for his adds, We telangana people lose money to pay for his bills
The above points can run into not just 108 but thousands and millions. I therefore strognly feel formation of seperate Telangana country to protect:
1. our economical,political and employement opportunities.This protection can not be guranteed even in seperate telangana state considering constiutional rights of Indian to settle any where and do business any where with in India, fellow indians will still keep denying telangnites thier opportunites even in a seperate state.
2. Identity and selfrespect.
Since out selfrespect, A seperate country can only warrant since even if we get seperate state under the control of Delhi and our telangana flag still have fly below indian flag, our telangana talli still have to be ranked below bharata maata, as long as we remain in India
Since context is same , Ashok will agree with me.
I do not see any point in trying to make people like Ashok to understand. They have been brainwashed to talk about Andhra state separating from Madras state. He does not even know that it was called Madras state and he keeps saying Andhras separated from Tamils. I doubt if he knows about Mysore state as well.
I also doubt if he knows it was called Hyderabad state. He would have been taught that it was called Telangana state!!!
But I am happy that he is agreeing for a vote on Hyderabad city to be independent of Telangana. As he said, peoples sentiment should be respected. So, there should a vote and people of Hyderabad will decide if they want to be in TG, AP, UT or a State of its own.
Jai- you wrote: "SRC recommended against the case of states like AP ". UNTRUE!
SRC recommended for the merger of Andhra State with the left over Telugu districts of Hyderabad State. The only caveat was that it put a 5 year waiting period and 2/3rd legislators approval. SRC cited several objective facts for the unification of both the telugu regions. Then it also cited allegations and apprehensions of a few separatist leaders. In the end it leaned towards integration, but suggested a 5-year waiting period to allay the separatist leader concerns. Both the Telugu leaders of the Hyderabad State and Andhra State did not have patience to wait for a 5 years.
Looks like the merger happened without getting any people's opinion. The political leadership always does whatever suits their needs. In 1969 after getting popular support of Telangana people for a separate state Chenna Reddy ditched the people by joining congress.Telangana people's opinion never matterred. That is always the case and has remained same. If the legistators indeed voted with 2/3 majority is true then those legislators got a mandate in 1952 elections when even Andhra state wasn't even existing.
There was really no reason for Andhra state. Madras state having people speaking many languages infact made good national integration. After all whole of south india shares common history. The great Krishna devaraya ruled not just telugu's but also kannadmost of south India.
In a nation like India dividing country on linguistic lines doesn't make sense as it is not successfully applied in all parts of India.A rule cannot be made exception in one place and apply in another.
@Ashok
I strongly believe that In a common state it is not possible to develop all regions who ever has more influence will keep winning.
I very much agree with you, but in a different parlance. I strongly feel same thing has happened to our state Andhra pradesh in the context of united India. People of our state have always been taken granted by central government and People who have influence and power like tamils and marwardis have always dominated employment and economical avenues of India and ino our very region. The indifference or injustice done to Andhra pradesh when compared to other influential states like TN is countless. Therefore the fate of Telangana will not change even if a separate state is formed since aggression from other influential and intellectual races still remain since we still have to respect constitution of India and allow these influential races to make thier merry out ot us.Therefore I propose Telangana to be declared as a sovereign country. Some of the noteworthy(unworthy) reason I give to ;
1. 70% Automobile manufacturing facilities are housed in TN, where as AP has a Zilch though we have 8% of national demand for automobiles
2. TN makes 6000 crores from dubbing tamil serials and movies. Thanks to our very broad minded telugu audience, who still encourage them even after realising it costing jobs and talent of local telugus.
3. Marwaris conquer 80% of business of Hyderabad(Trading),in which our own telangana brothers would have easily chipped in
4. Most of jobs senior and influential jobs in IT in Hydeabad are held by non-telugus/non-telanganites .
5. We are glad to see almost 100,000 nurses from kerala working in AP to detriment of opportunities of our own telugu/telangana sisters.
6. 90% of Airlines/Airport authorities staff are non telugus.
7. Literally every opportunity in Hospitality industry is never grabbed telugus
8.One more Babli can be built by Maharastra and Height of almatti can be increased by another 20 ft to detriment of interests of Telangana
9 TN has well connected highways made possible by influential tamils in politics and beurocracy in national highway authority works, and same thing has not happened in Telangana/Andhra.
10. UP and Bihar farm workers are now beginning to creep into opportunities of telangana agri labour.
11. Almost all the brand ambassadors are either Hindi or tamil actors(levaing one or two ) or non telugu sports men. While abhishek bachan gets all that money for his adds, We telangana people lose money to pay for his bills
The above points can run into not just 108 but thousands and millions. I therefore strognly feel formation of seperate Telangana country to protect:
1. our economical,political and employement opportunities.This protection can not be guranteed even in seperate telangana state considering constiutional rights of Indian to settle any where and do business any where with in India, fellow indians will still keep denying telangnites thier opportunites even in a seperate state.
2. Identity and selfrespect.
Since out selfrespect, A seperate country can only warrant since even if we get seperate state under the control of Delhi and our telangana flag still have fly below indian flag, our telangana talli still have to be ranked below bharata maata, as long as we remain in India
Since context is same , Ashok will agree with me.
@Chakravarthy: SRC did not recommend Visalandhra. The operative part reads as follows:
386. After taking all these factors into consideration we have come to the conclusions that it will be in the interests of Andhra as well as Telangana, if for the present, the Telangana area is to constitute into a separate State, which may be known as the Hyderabad State with provision for its unification with Andhra after the general elections likely to be held in or about 1961 if (italics mine: Jai) by a two thirds majority the legislature of the residency Hyderabad State expresses itself in favor of such unification.
SRC's explanation of the pros and cons shows the tussle between the technical approach in favor of Visalandhra and democratic approach in favor of "Hyderabad" state. Paras 386-389 favor the latter approach.
The central point in my comment was to demonstrate the framework for states formation is "wishes of the people" as long as they do not conflict with larger national interests. Your contention at best shows this criterion was met in AP (through GMA & other "safeguards").
No other framework (including language) can explain the formation of all Indian states. The 90 year old resolution is subservient to this, not an overrider.
@Prabhakar, @AMRAO:
Why are "integrationists" asking for Hyderabad UT/state? Let the Hyderabadis raise the demand first. The hypothetical situation is raised by non-Hyderabadis (e.g. Venkatayya, a strange VMS bedfellow) for their own agenda.
I don't know which T-vadis are opposing a demand that is not yet in the public? If the demand does come up, people of the other 9 districts will (should) stay out of the headcount (though not the debate).
Jai,
why do you repeat the same silly question?
How can you impose views of a bedfellow on entire group?
Let me assure you VMS is not a gorrala manda like TRS goons. They repeat only what KCR says. Well that is how T congis fell into his trap.
You know better about VMS people than ur own T-vaadis. Coz your job is finding holes in VMS.
This forum is not encyclopedia on T movement. Go and read T sites and T media for debates on UT status for Hyderabad.
vkc,
can you tell us on what basis the country should be divided. your formula must apply to whole country and it should not have any defects means no one should raise a logical/sensible objection on this.
@Prabhakar, I do not expect any organization to be a gorrelamanda. I do expect (and am certain Chakravarthy agrees) that members of the organization agree to their own mission statement and core values.
Venkatayya can't be a VMS member and maintain "Hyderabad as UT argument" as it is incompatible with VMS's "preserve AP" mission. This also holds good for you and AMRAO if you are VMS members.
I am sorry, I missed the Venkataiah gari comment that Jai made earlier.
So, here's the scoop on how he became part of VMS. We met Venkataiah garu many months ago at a lunch meeting of a bunch of integrationists in the Yousufguda basthi. During the meeting Venkataiah garu gave a talk about the importance of why our state should be united. However, he said if the State were to be divided, he would like to see a large Hyderabad UT which included areas of Nalgonda, Mahbubnagar, Medak, and Rangareddi in the UT.
Following that lunch meeting, we had several meetings with him. Prabhakar garu spent a couple of hours over 2-3 sessions reasoning with him about the importance of unity and how that message cannot be diluted with Hyderabad UT. Venkataiah garu eventually conceded and agreed to be part of VMS and said he will give up the UT position.
Prabhakar and AMRAO are not part of our organization, though I would love them to join us
@Air, @vkc:
I am not sure what you mean by dividing India. SRC already gave the framework for states formation:
“The wishes of the people, to the extent they are objectively ascertainable and do not come into conflict with larger national interests, should be an important consideration in readjusting territories of the States"
@Chakravarthy: I find one of my comments is missing, possibly in your spam filter. I amplified the same point in better detail there. Can you check this up, thanks.
Let the Hyderabadis raise the demand first. The hypothetical situation is raised by non-Hyderabadis (e.g. Venkatayya, a strange VMS bedfellow) for their own agenda.
I don't know which T-vadis are opposing a demand that is not yet in the public? If the demand does come up, people of the other 9 districts will (should) stay out of the headcount (though not the debate).
So jai, what does this demand in public mean according to you – breaking buses or statues or doing dharnas and creating nuisance. Isn't every election an answer to your question. In every election Hyderabadis have outrightly stated their stand by outing out TRS. And why should the other 9 districts be part of the debate if the other 20+ districts in AP cannot.
We Hyderabadis are clear – we want a separate Hyderbad – UT or a SAR.
Chakravarthy, good to note you converted Venkataiah. I withdraw my comment against him as if he has now given up his previous position.
Hyderabadis have the right to ask for a UT or state. This demand should however be raised by Hyderabadis themselves and be unconditional.
Chakravarthy garu,
Vishalandhra Mahasabhalo join avvalante ela avvali? Nenu mee programs choosanu. Edho oka vidhanga sahaaya padaali anukuntunnanu. VMS lo cheradaaniki elanti qualification undali? evarini contact avvali?
Durga Rao garu: Please send an email to contact@visalandhra.org and one of us will get in touch with you.
Chakravarthy, did you see https://plus.google.com/111113261980146074416/posts/HGC6ECGdx31? The blogger accuses you of "double action". I urge you to clear the air and take up suitable action to clear your good name. All the best.
I have a personal facebook for family and friends and another one open to public. What’s the big deal? Am I missing something?
>> Hyderabadis have the right to ask for a UT or state. This demand should however be raised by Hyderabadis themselves and be unconditional.
Sera answered you already.
What is this unconditional condition? T-vaddis going to decide Hyderabadi qualification!:-)
Yesterday night while travelling from Khamam to Warangal we came across replica of 'ఓరుగల్లు తోరణం ' in outskirts.
చూసిన వెంటనే నా నోట వచ్చిన రెండు వాక్యాలు
ఇది తెలుగు తేజానికి గుర్తు
కాదు ఒక్క తెలంగాణావారి సొత్తు
Sera answered you already.
What is this unconditional condition? T-vaddis going to decide Hyderabadi qualification!:-)
Yeah. Why not have Hyderabadi qualification as only people who have been here for atleast three generations in a qualified manner.
I propose the below.
To prove that one is a Hyderabadi one should have documents to prove pre 1947 that they have stayed in Hyderabad physically – that is they should either show employment in the govt of Nizam or should possess documented property in their name (of their fathers or grandfathers).
Everyone else should be treated as a non-Hyderabadi.
And whether we should count among the Hyderbadis the Secuderabadis is also up for discussion – I mean all the people who migrated to Secunderabad which was under the British.
Please give your valuable comments on this Jai and other T-vaadis.
@Prabhakara Rao:
I have been waiting for Sera to announce his movement for quite some time. Occassional commenting on someone else's blog can't be called a movement.
What I mean by "unqualified" is an unequivolcal demand not related to other events or incidents. "We want Hyderabad UT if the state is divided" is a contingency plan, not a demand.
@Sera: proof of residence looks fair but demanding employment or property is rather elitist and may be illegal too. Would you accept inclusion in census instead? BTW you may like to revise the cut-off date to 1948.
From Mission Telangana:
Praveen Sarma
Posted November 23, 2011 at 9:13 AM
Please Read this link: https://plus.google.com/111113261980146074416/posts/HGC6ECGdx31 This link contains some information about Nalamotu Chakravarty.
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Jai Gottimukkala
Posted November 24, 2011 at 5:37 AM
@Praveen Sarma:
Mr. Nalamotu Chakravarthy is not a politician. He is a professional with a full time occupation but blogs in his spare time on a cause in which he is interested. His occassional activism does not make him a public figure.
Chakravarthy is entitled to protection of his privacy. Publishing his private information is unfair as it puts him at undue risk of stalking. The details of his occupation, income, family, contact details etc. should remain outside the public domain except for the parts he has chosen to disclose himself.
In addition, publishing information from networking sites may be a violation of their terms.
I request you to either delete the above post or edit it by leaving out his personal contact info.
Jai,
), Maybe Sera is another KCR in making. One Melkote, Nigam or Vaaghray will be his Guru Jayashankar.
why do you continue to set terms on who, what and how one should run a movement?
(with apologies to Sera
In words of Gone Prakasarao all that you need to run a movement is 2 crores cash and one media channel.