Those who have known me for a while are well aware of my cynicism for democracy and collectivism. I hold the government to be an immoral system, whose role should be shrunk as much as we can. I despise the current Democratic form of government that robs the producers, and distributes the loot to those that vote for the rulers. I did not want to vote in this election as I refused to be a party to a system that is immoral and implicitly acquiesce to a constitution that I don’t agree with. I told myself that if I ever vote, it would be only to a libertarian party that acknowledges the immorality of taxation and regulation OR at least to a libertarian aligned party that agrees to put a leash on taxation and work towards deregulation and decentralization.
Over the last few years, my friends and I waged a tireless battle to keep the state united. We have put aside our caste, religion, region, and party loyalties for this crusade. We went after every political party that has let down the cause of Telugu unity including TRS, TDP, YSRCP, Congress, and BJP.
Today a dear friend of mine requested me to vote for TDP/BJP combine. He stood by me and the organization during the most difficult times. He offered unconditional support to our efforts. He also happens to be a libertarian. He is probably one of the nicest human beings that I have come across in my life.
I told my friend that I decided not to vote for philosophical reasons and because all the political parties have let down the cause of Telugu unity. He reasoned that TDP/BJP combine is the lesser of the evil for libertarians and even for integrationists. I disagreed with him. However, I have immense respect and admiration for my friend and I could not turn his request down. I told him that I have just finished a tour campaign against the two national parties- Congress and BJP and I couldn’t possibly vote for BJP. So, the compromise we reached was to vote for TDP for the Assembly and NOTA for the parliament.
With a heavy heart, during the last hour of polling, I rushed and voted for TDP for the Jubilee Hills Assembly constituency and NOTA for the parliament constituency.
After walking out I realized I made a mistake. If I was not in such a rush to vote, and had structured my thought process a bit more, I would have voted for Jai Samaikyandhra Party for the parliament. Though I was quite unhappy with Kiran Kumar Reddy for delaying his fight against the Union Government, he fought hard during the climactic phase of the division. Since I voted for TDP for the Assembly, it was only fair to vote for his parliament candidate- but I goofed up badly. My sincere apologies to Kiran Kumar Reddy, who has been supportive to our organization.
I am duty bound to apologize to all those friends who trusted me to stay apolitical, for letting them down. Today I swore never again to vote (not even NOTA)- unless there is a libertarian party or a libertarian aligned party in the fray.
Commend your honesty on admitting what you feel is a mistake.
Starting a libertarian party might not be problem in India. But such a party gaining enough strength to even win a single MLA seat would take ages. And going by your paragraph, I can only guess you will not be able to vote in India during our life time. Anyway, all the best….
I can only fight on an idelogical basis, with a healthy portion of practicality. Beyond that, nobdy knows what future holds.
I will vote in India in my life time, because I intend to start a libertarian party in the near future.
As far as not being able to win a single MLA seat, it is a good challenge you have thrown at me. Let us see
All the best. I will be very interested in knowing more about the party.
It will be great, if you start a blog on some of the ideas/ideals that you are planning for the Libertarian party.
The best place to get my thoughts on libertarian thinking is on my radio show and on my fb page: https://www.facebook.com/chakravarthy.nalamotu
I respect your dedication to the cause of Telugu unity for which you so tirelessly fought. I hope what you have done will not go invain and a day will soon come that Telugu unity will once again be established.
I am not so sure on what you mean by libertarian party. Societies with high degree of libertarianism have regressed into crime due to increased gap between rich and the poor. It is a very romantic notion to say that every individual is a walking republic. But I believe, human societies have never been designed that way. We need to surrender our unfettered rights for the common good.
Our current constitution has been derived from the best of several european constitutions. So I think we have one of the best constitutions in the world. The issue is with the value system of the people who are supposed to implement it. The way european governments function is quite different from how our government functions though both follow a similar parliamentary democracy.
High taxation countries like Sweden, Norway and Denmark are one of the best performing democracies with government playing a major part in the lives of people. On the contrary, India is one of the worst performing democracies.
In my view, the biggest issue that India faces is the loss of value based living. When a majority of the people do not have a larger purpose in life and no principles to live upto then they lose self-respect. Then they start living on sense titillation and making money without any sense of Dharma. In such cases no form of human organisation will work, not even libertarianism.
The problem with societies has never been with the form of human organization. Norway, Singapore, Japan, Israel, Switzerland all are different in organizations but the best in human development indices.
The biggest differentiators are fearless introspection, brutal honesty, sense of gratitude and corrective & collective discipline. For societies with these qualities, ANY form of organisation will work. If not these qualities, NO form of organisation will work.
+1.
As I have said before will say again, we all owe Chakravarthy garu a debt for his unceasing effort for Telugu unity. When actual professors failed to rebut lies and propoganda against Telugu people esp from Seemandhra, Chakravarthy garu despite being professional in other area invested own time and put himself out in public for the cause. Though we have philosophical differences about what ails state and country, and what road to take going forward, can still admire someone we disagree with.
My own feeling was that he voted correctly. What's done is done–we must now seek the path back to economic strength, which will give us leverage for reunification.
But Ashish is right, if we want this: http://www.apdevelopmentforum.com/2014/03/rich-andhra-how-can-we-develop-new-andhra-pradesh-part-2/
we must do the hard work of this:http://www.andhraportal.org/seemandhra-the-road-ahead/
and change the political culture by getting back in touch with our roots. There are no quick fixes–we will all have to do hardwork as the people to mold and elect better class of politician.
Lastly, I feel I should respectfully state to Chakravarthy garu that an open push for autonomy will result in comparisons with J&K. We Telugus were certainly wronged, and I agree that degree of decentralization needed (for example, states should manage own revenue, not depend on Union disbursement) but open autonomy is slippery slope in a country famous for fragmentation. While I sincerely hope you carry on the struggle fo Telugu re-unity, I respectfully urge you to call for Telugu unity within Indian unity. Please consider rephrase from Autonomy to Federalization or Decentralization. Will also give you better chance of achieving your goal of decentralization without cunning people attacking you for being "against India".
Just humble opinion from well-wisher. Thank you for your efforts on our behalf.
Chakravarthy garu, I kind of agree with your voting choice. Even I feel Kiran Reddy was honest in his fight for keeping the state united. If you vote by single point agenda of division of the state, then JSP is the best choice for samaikyavadis. Even when it comes to governance, Kiran did a decent job. Being recognized as best CM (for 2012?) by the India Today group is a testimony to that. He was in charge in the most turbulent time of our state history and also had to face the fallout of economic misgovernance during YSR period. Unfortunately, voting for him would mean giving victory to Jagan.
Regarding your party, all I can say is best of luck! Your integrity and conviction might get you a few thousand votes, but no where close to winning seats. It is a long road ahead, I wish you good luck. Even in the US where there is lot of awareness and discussion on libertarianism, there are only a handful of true blue libertarian Congressmen. I personally am aware only of Ron and Rand Paul. As of now, most people in India might find your ideology extreme. I appreciate your efforts from your TV and Radio shows, it will help more and more Indians broaden their perspective.
Appreciate your honesty.
Ex CM of AP fought a lone battle. But he could have done better. He could have sued Home ministry of India for causing civil unrest in the state of AP. [Remember Ex home secretary Pillai on dec 10, 2009 saying Hyd belongs to Telangana.What an idiotic secretary!] Ex CM, Undavalli and Lagadapati in my view fought honestly against bifurcation.
We dont know but, may be others in JSP would support congress (in parliament) after winning on JSP symbol. That was the only reason I was of opinion that TDP should be "sent" to parliament as representatives of Telugu land. And their BJP support would not be a no strings attached. We saw it earlier.
My folks back in India told they are voting JP for parliament and TDP for state assembly. I said, thatsthat's fair enough.
But regarding your other philosophical discussions. In my view awareness in masses is more important that parties with some idiologies. Otherwise there will not be any use. Regarding bringing awareness on Telangana separatism, you have done more than what was possible. That was just a fantastic effort.
Chandra garu. 'JP' for parliament is a good choice (according to me).
But why is voting for TDP for 'T' assembly is a good choice ? Is there no Loksatta candidate for the assembly constituency ?
Ramesh garu,
I dont know if loksatta candidate was contesting for state legislature. Also they were interested in voing to a winning candidate.
. They wont vote to KCR as they consider him some cheap guy.(My other relatives are voting TRS). Their opinion on cong and YSRP are corrupt. They saw first hand how Hyd developed under CBN. I think now CBN -MODI combination made them as best choice.
BTW nobody knows this voting is for T legislature or AP legislature. Technically they voted for AP legislature.(And they were almost neutral on AP bifurcation).
>> BTW nobody knows this voting is for T legislature or AP legislature.
Don't understand that comment.
The AP bifurcation bill clearly says that on appointed day the MLAs from the regions identified as 'T' will move to a new assembly. The remaining 175 legislators will continue to be part of AP(residual) assembly. The appointed day is notified as 2nd June. The bill and the appointed date are approved the president of India.
Where is the confusion ???
Chakravarthy garu,
Ippudu Telugu unity ledhu emi ledhu lendi. Aa vedhavalaki adhi untey ee dhonga udhyamam 15 yellu cheyaru. Anni mosalu, abaddhalu, kullubothuthanalu. Vaallu maararu meeru valla sanka naakina. Adhi final.
Sorry Chakravarthy garu, I did not understand. Are you apologizing for not voting for JSP ? or is it for voting to TDP as well ?
He is apologizing because he vowed not to vote at all, but still went on to vote. He felt sad for voting NOTA for MP and later realized it should have been JSP.
Now I am adding my own interpretation. He is totally opposed to vote for Cong / BJP for this elections, he clearly expressed it and campaigned for it. He did not advice voters on which regional party to vote for and left it to their preference. It looks like he personally does not like YCP, he did not consider that party for either MLA or MP. If there was TDP candidate for MP as well, he probably would have voted for TDP on both tickets.
It appeared that he voted for TDP to please or due to respect for his freind's request. Its still not clear whether he is apologising for voting per se or not voting JSP.
Read the last paragraph again, he clearly mentioned he is apologizing for not staying apolitical. It looks like he believes TDP is the best choice we got, and I concur.
>>>>>TDP is the best choice we got
Not for SA. May be for T.
TDP is not the best choice for AP as long as it have alliance with BJP.
I am apologizing voting for TDP as well. They didn't deserve my vote.
Thanks, its brave of you to admit that. Mistakes happen. Most of yor supporters will be happy to overlook this.
Alright, so my interpretation is wrong. With all due respect, I disagree with you.
chakravarthy didnt vote for tdp he voted for his caste .TDP is his caste party.
Jaundice eyes see everything in yellow. Your comment reflects what you would do rather than about others.
Pawan Kalyan speeches make no sense
If Pawan Kalyan is really angry with the way AP has been divided, why would he support BJP that responsible for the division and target YCP, which like TDP has no power to stop the division. Moreover, he is targetting YCP for not stopping KCR's idiotic attack on telugus. TDP, which claiming even today of having strong presence in Telangana whereas YCP never claimed that. If Pawan Kalyan is angry with YCP for not countering KCR's bufffon's talk on telugus, he should be evenmore angry with TDP, which is there is protect telugu pride, for failinng to protect telugu pride by countering KCR's lose tung. So Pawan Kalyan make no sense like his brother Chiranjeevi. I hope people realise Pawan Kalyan's logicless speeches and vote appropriately.
Pawan argues he is using bJP to defeat congress just like congress used BJP to divide AP. I dont know what to say,
If really Pawan Kalyan serious about the way AP has been divided, then he should support parties (for example 3rd front at the centre and JSP in AP) that may lead to reversal of AP division after the Supreme court verdict.
The Chiru family is hedging their position.
With Pawan aligning with BJP and Chiru becoming a senior leader in Congress, they can ensure that their financial interests are safe-gaurded in every scenario. Without the support of BJP for next 5 years, the family was feeling exposed as they realised that KCR would come to power in T.
It's the economy, stupid .
Or should I correct it by saying - It's the personal economy, stupid !!!!!
Pawan said Congress hatavo deshko bachavo in telangana whereas he is not saying same in AP for the sake of his brother.
VK you are contradicting yourself, on the one hand you say TDP has no power to stop the division, but you also say that TDP failed to counter KCR loose tongue! If we had a strong local party like TDP, it would not have been this bad. I personally dont give much credence to fly by night movie stars, but he will definitely make sense to his fans. Afterall, the same people voted for his brother in large numbers 5 years back!
The division is a central govt. issue whereas countering KCR spitting words is a state issue. So how they are related?
Moreover, if Pawan Kalyan is angry with YCP for not countering KCR's bufffon's talk on telugus, he should be evenmore angry with TDP, which is there is protect telugu pride, for failinng to protect telugu pride by countering KCR's lose tung.
Do you still think he is making sense by just attacking YCP and not TDP and YCP?
Last time around YSR played the card of Chiru and won the elections against 'Maha Kootami'. CBN thinks he can play a similar, but reverse card in Pawan Kalyan and come to power in SA. I think CBN is late by 5 years to catchup on the electoral mathematics.
I hope that TDP, BJP both lose in both T and SA assemblies. And I sincerely hope that in the next 5 years both the TDP and BJP parties have introspection and acknowledge their mistakes and promise not to repeat their mistakes again. And TDP comes up with a better leader (not from nandamuri family) than CBN who is not so desperate for political power. Then and Only then, should the Telugu people start considering these two parties for voting in elections. Regarding congress, I sincerely hope that Congress party dies completly in SA (0 assembly, 0 Loksabha seats) in this election itself. Starts it's slow and eventual death in T by 2019 elections.
I hope……
I do agree with your comment.
In the present circumstances, we should vote to a party that represent us at the centre when and if the Supreme court struck down the AP re-oranisation bill.
So if there is no split in the votes of opposition to BJP/TDP between JSP and YSRCP, then telugus who want unitedAP should vote to JSP.
People should have the moral courage to tell which party to vote for.
And not hide behind words like – do not vote for TDP/BJP, do not vote for scamgress, do not vote for Lok Satta, knowing fully well that it leaves out then just one party.
Do we look at the eye of honesty and speak ? OR do we hide behind a spiral staircase of dishonesty and mumble?
The results of these elections will give a representational sample of the nature of thought process that is prevalent in Seemandhra culture. Q.E.D
Our sincere request to telugus is don't vote to Congress or BJP or their coalition partners for the involvement in AP division. This mean vote to parties which didn't directly involved in the division or having alliance with congress or bjp. Why do we have to specify which party telugus should vote?
AP future will be better with non-bjp non-congress govt. at the centre. So no vote to congress or bjp or their allies.
Bang on Ashish. These are educated people who simply cant tolerate Naidu / TDP for whatever reason, but still cant support corrupt crook pathakams party openly. So they go to extreme lengths, bend over backwards and find any reason to run a smear campaign on TDP. On election day, they silently go and vote for the crooks party.
Really!
This forum and the majority in AP are against AP division. CBN paid no attention to the feeling of telugus though TDP claim to be for portecting telugus pride. On top of that he has no shame in having alliance with BJP that supported AP division. KCR wanted telangana because it has been cheated by SA. CBN given letter in support of telangana, indicating that he agree with what KCR said about SA (including him). BJP also agreed with what KCR said by supporting AP division. Further TDP undermining our feelings by having alliance with BJP, which supported AP division.
I would have written against YSRCP in the same tone if it had alliance with bjp or congress, which responsible for AP division.
The most important issue is AP division and telugus shouldn't vote to congress or bjp or their coalition partners. It is immaterial whether it is TDP or YSRCP or some other party as long as they have alliance with congress or bjp, then there shouldn't be supported by telugus. It is as simple as that.
Congress and BJP divided AP that way Nirbhaya was raped. So any party with self-respect shouldn't have alliance with either of these two parties for dividing AP. Only parties which have no feeling for telugus would have alliance with Congress/BJP. So why should telugus should vote parties that didn't bothered about our feelings.
VK, I know you are passionate about the division, I have been following this blog and comments for a long time. Things are not as black and white as you wrote, you know that. T people will vote with gratitude and elect KCR, SA people will vote with vengeance and elect Jagan, is that in the best interest of Telugu people? Perhaps, this is what Congress wanted all along, Adde putrudu in Telangana and Datta putrudu in SA. What is the guarantee that Jagan wont align with Cong / BJP? Who knows, Jagan might do a Chiru and merge his party in Cong after elections! Irrespective of allying, who will function independantly, CBN / Jagan with all his cases? Why are you dodging on your opinion on YCP? Hopefully people of SA are not gullible and wont think unidimensionally when voting. Voting just on division is crying over spilled milk, nothing good will come of that. TDP is the best choice we got today.
If division of AP is a very small matter to one, your thinking is correct. For someone who is going to live in T, it is better to accept the reality of the division and move on and make the best utilisation of the additional finance/job opportunities /education opportunities available for T. So your thinking is not un reasonable.
For many others, the division of AP (the way it happened) shows 3 things
- GOI and Parliament agrees that all SA people are theives/looters
- GOI and Parliament does not have any concern to the problems of SA people. Till Date, they have not addressed any of the issues raised (budget/revenue deficit, water issues, job/education opportunities due to the abscense of an economic power house like HYD).
- GOI and Parliament does not even recognise the people or representatives of the people of SA. That is the reason they suspended each and every SA people's representative from Loksabha as they passed the AP division bill. Please do understand that I do not consider the rajyasabha members like Chiranjeevi and Venkaiah Naidu as People's representative.
For many people the above 3 points are not some small matters. Not a simple matter like increasing or decreasing the tax on Cigarettes that one can move on.
Coming to CBN, the person whom you are so praising is not going to be the CM of T, even if by some surprise TDP/BJP does win in 'T'. In a way, by voting to TDP in 'T' region, the voter is supporting TRS. If the voter is seriously against KCR, they would have cast their vote to Congress.
I wish you and others in 'T' to enjoy the fruits of division with KCR and family to guide them. And leave the others who consider division as very fundamental issue to decide their own fate.
All of us have "interests" in SA. Just because I moved to my capital city doesnt make me alien to SA. Remember, all our leaders including CBN, Kiran and Jagan also voted last week in Hyd, that makes them alien too? People passionately participating in the discussion here could be living anywhere in the world. That is a very crazy argument. Where do you live by the way?
I always advocated for proportional revenue sharing to T and SA in case of division. We will have to work with the Central Govt of the day and get the best deal possible. Why should other states oblige to pay for revenue loss of Andhra? There is still scope for some kind of revenue sharing.
I agree with your other points on the way the state was divided. The biggest culprits are Congress first and then BJP. TDP and YCP were both helpless.
Mann –> You wish to move on from the 'division' as 'gatham gathaha' and start voting for BJP/TDP immediately after the division without those parties admitting their guilt or change their stand. So I am just trying to find find some reasonable explanation for that. The above comment from me was one of the best reasonable justification that I could come up with. I could be wrong in that as I am in capable of reading minds.
>> CBN, Kiran and Jagan also voted last week in Hyd.
There is a big difference between the 3 leaders you mentioned in one sentence.
CBN has accepted the division of AP way back in 2008. And he did not do anything to stop it for the past 6 years. He has moved on. The only reason is his desperation for power. No other reason. He always got the votes from SA and used it for the betterment of non-SA regions. If he gets power in SA, he will do that again by giving too many concessions to 'T' regions to gain power in 'T' state during 2019 elections. I can never ever vote for CBN and I will ask/beg/argue that everyone reject CBN in this election. A new TDP under a new leader who can work for SA people for the betterment of SA people, after admitting that accepting division of AP is a historical mistake made by Telugu atmagauravam party is welcome in 2019 elections.
Kiran never supported division of AP. He tried to stop it by being part of Congress. The only problem was that he was not politically strong (or astute) to defeat the Congress high-command (unlike YSR, who never allowed congress high-command to outsmart him in AP on division or any other AP related topic). He has to put more energy/time to come up with a better vision, better agenda, better candidates and a better name for his party . Hope he builds a strong/credible party with good development vision over the next 5 years to win in SA during 2019 elections.
Jagan never supported division of AP. He played a neutral role or helpless role till May 2013. When he kind of got the hunch that GOI / Congress high-command with active collusion with BJP is deciding to divide the state, he publicly came out in support of United AP. YSRCP is the only party which accepted some losses (in T regions) for supporting united AP campaign.
>> There is still scope for some kind of revenue sharing.
Are you naive ? OR Do you think I am naive.
VK,
For that matter even YSRCP didn't have the courage of supporting samaikhyandhra before the announcement. SA needs to send the message that they are strongly against division. That can be done by restricting congress to 0 in both MP and MLA. Electing YSRCP would send the message to the world abt out tolerance to corruption. Infact i heard from the direct people involved in an US MNC's negotiation with KVP in 2008 that 500cr bribe was demanded. The MNC who fully operate with ethics moved to bangalore. Had CBN doing these kind of things, definelty a company like Microsoft who never bribe anybody would setup their centre in Hyderabad.
How does voting to TDP/BJP send message that telugus are against the division? BJP know very well that it can get seats through TDP from SA and hence they supported congress division bill on AP division under closed doors for votes in telangana. So by voting to TDP/BJP what message telugus would send to other states.
For me and the majority in SA, AP division is more painful and hence first priority is to throw congress, bjp and their coalition partners from SA. Thanks to congress and bjp, SA will become a beggar state with the division. If we become a beggar state with the division, where is the question of some one looting us when we have nothing.
VK,
I wish to add CBN's name to your list of things to be thrown out of SA. How could a defeat in one election convince him to support AP bifurcation???? And a second defeat in 2009 does not teach him to reverse his stand to withdraw support for AP bifurcation. Do you remember his support ( through proxy) for AP bifurcation in AP all party meeting on 7th December 2009.
How could the tallest political leader (alive on the given day) of Telugu land agree for bifurcation without any conditions ???? How could CBN (through a proxy) say that his party will support assembly resolution to bifurcate AP assembly just because some political no body goes on a fake fast and threatens to die. Even a political nobody like Rosaiah opposed the division. In such a case how could the tallest leader of the day agree to such a ridiculous act ?????
Its not true like there is nothing to loot. If that is the the case, states like Bihar and Orissa would be free of corruption. Their per capita income is much lower than. Even after bifurcation AP is not comparable to BIhar. You can always come up with innovative ways to do corruption, as SA would still have lots of land with them . In case, if you guys strongly say vote for JSP or loksatta, i would be with you. I am not for TDP/BJP. But i believe that is the lesser evil to look forward than YSRCP
@Subash
When move from light to dark, it take some time for our eyes to adopt to dark. Similarly, when a surplus state become a beggar state in one go, it take sometime for politicians to realise how to steal even in beggar state. So there is no problem at least for time being there won't be any lotting in beggar state AP.
However, I mentioned that only to say against TDP/BJP. As you may notice from my comments, I only opposed TDP alliance with BJP that supported AP division. I don't support YSRCP either. I agree that we should support JSP (no Lokasatta) to have enough representation at the centre to represent telugu unity if the Supreme Court struck down AP re-organisation bill. So vote to JSP to say Jai Samaikya Andhra.
With the new tradition coming in place, dividing state without resolution from state, what I expect in new 5 to 10 years:
1. There will be marathi lobbies, willing to merge Basara in Maharastra,
2. Tamil lobbies who will lobby for Tirumala as UT and eventual takeover by tamils
After what u need is.. a paraliament and speaker to do this not even a majority resolution… majority as vote… Who has seen if majority voted for AP split .. it is just voice vote as observed by speaker.
And Mantralayam going to Karnataka……If all such things are going to happen then south Telangana goes to Seemandhra, or seemandhra (singapore) going to Telangana.
If democracy becomes a game and strategies ( Instead of sharing and cooperation), pretty much everybody can play this game . As you said, all u need is a lobby and voice vote. Every body is waiting for supreme court to say, YES, thats what pretty much you need, so that they can start with refreshed strategies. . As KCR rightly said, this is not over yet.
@Mann,
Totally agree. Crooks will only vote for crooks own party but are afraid to say so. As they say – There is a very strong brotherhood among thieves. I can only hope that this is not in the nature of representational character of the majority of the seemandhraites.
Jaundice eyes see everything in yellow
According to NDTV latest opinion polls close to 42% or 43% of people of SA region are going to vote for YSRCP.
If you say all these 43% of eligible voters (+ or – 2%) are crooks and looters, then I totally agree with you.
I am advocating that all us SA people (crookes/theives/looters as branded by GOI and your grace) to vote for the smallest/less harmful crook/theif available for us SA crookes in 2014 elections. i.e., YSRCP party in 2014 election.
Hope we SA crookes/theives and looters will have better options in 2019 elections.
>> A BJP that has applied balm on SA people and has done something visible and significant development projects to SA region using the power they have in centre
>> A TDP that throws CBN to dustbin. A TDP that elects a better leader for their SA part of the party who is not desperate for power like CBN. Has a better development oriented vision. A TDP which does not talk about 'Runa-Mafi' and gimmicks.
>> A Stronger Loksatta party with at least 10 more credible leaders whose name is known to everyone in SA region, rather than have one and only JP.
>> A Strong development oriented party (JSP , but with a different name) under the leadership of Kiran Kumar Reddy with better/committed leaders.
>> YSRCP party with a credible leadership with no CBI cases behind them (need not be Jagan).
You might not believe it. But even crookes/looters like us SA people have hopes and aspirations !!!
I disagree with you that if there is no evidence of splitting of votes of the opposition to TDP/BJP between JSP and YSRCP, then telugus who want unitedAP should vote to JSP. This will allow us to have representation at the centre to defend our state if and when Supreme court struck down the AP re-organisation bill. If Supreme court do nothing about the AP re-oranisation bill, even then it is important have JSP at the centre to protect our interests. Is there any chance of YSRCP and SJP come together for the sake of telugu unity?
"How does voting to TDP/BJP send message that telugus are against the division?"
Very good point. Actually I said in feb, integrationists should boycott elections itself. If only 25-35% vote percentage is seen, then a strong message will be sent to the entire nation. But all parties announced candidates, inlcuding ex CM.
In any case, …………only one thing reg YSRP bothers me is, people can surely vote to it. YSR was a very very strong integrationist than CBN. But remember, now he is not there and its current leader is in a very very vulnerable situation. That might compel YSRP to support Cong or BJP or third front at center, with NO STRINGS ATTACHED. But TDP will not support BJP or third front with no strings attached. Integrationists should send repreentatives to parliament who can bring their Hyd back. All the talk we have been hearing about seemandhra becoming singapore or DC, is a big BS. What we had , we have, what we will have is Hyd. Based upon the " foundations" of Hyd any future city can be built, either in T or SA. From my personal experience,I can say people of coastal Andhra and seema are far more advanced than backward minded T folks.
So make sure you send those people who can do that one, atleast to parliament. We need a long term plan to get the desired result. It's not over yet.
I do agaree with your comment except "TDP will not support BJP or third front with no strings attached"
Because TDP is already supporting BJP with any strings attached and reviving BJP from ashes in SA through its support. Congress and BJP equally responsible for AP division. Congress will pay the price for the division by getting no votes, at least, in SA. It seems Sonia gave a meeting yesterday in Guntur to empty chairs. So bjp should also have similar treatment in SA, instead CBN and Pawan Kalyan making sure BJP meetings in SA are successful. This is hurting every telugu who want unitedAP.
If Supreme Court struck down the AP re-organisation bill, what BJP and TDP going to do. Do they appeal and follow the court decision? Why no one is asking them this question?
I think we should vote to JSP provided votes of the opposition to BJP/TDP will not split between JSP and YSRCP. If the votes do split between these two parties, then it is advatage to TDP/BJP. This is the reason I am unsure about supporting YSRCP or JSP. Any thoughts on this would be greatly appreciated.
BJP supported congress bill on AP division. So only pseudo telugus support BJP and its coalition partner TDP.
If Supreme Court struck down the AP re-organisation bill, what BJP and TDP going to do. Do they appeal and follow the court decision? Why no one is asking them this question?
So we, unitedAP supporters, should vote to JSP provided there is no split in votes of the opposition to TDP/BJP between YSRCP and JSP.
@VK: "If Supreme Court struck down the AP re-organisation bill, what BJP and TDP going to do. Do they appeal and follow the court decision? Why no one is asking them this question?"
It is a good question. Then BJP/Congress will get together and amend the constitution to bypass the Supreme Court verdict, if necessary with retroactive effect. Only way to prevent that is to have parties like JSP and other integrationist MPs from TDP and YSRCP to have a good strength in the parliament. Indira Gandhi did this thing called retroactive constitution amendment in the seventies in connection with emergency.
If BJP want to amend the constitution if it forms next govt. at the centre, how its coalition partner TDP will oppose it?
Did CBN ever asked BJP why it behaved the way it behavaved during AP division bill? Why it supported the most unconstitutional (according to Arun Jaitely) under closed doors? Will it reverse AP re-organisation bill if the Supreme court verdit goes against the bill?
Similarly YSRCP though keep saying it is against AP division, why it never went to Supreme courst against the bill? What it will do if the Supreme court verdict come against the centre decision of AP division?
In contrast, JSP don't have to answer these questions for obvious reasons. However, does voting to JSP benefit TDP/BJP by splitting the opposition to TDP/BJP?
The answers to these questions are important for those (I guess the majority in SA) who have not yet decided which party they shold vote to.
VK, You have some valid questions. But few things I want to say.
1. If the supreme court strucks down the bill , it depends…"on what basis they struck it down". EIther state assembly opinion basis or 371D. In both the cases the issue should come back to AP assembly. But all these are legal issues which lawyers themseleves are confused. So final decision will be of a judge (or judges).
Now coming back to whom to vote…. as I said for parliament, everyone should come on to one page. Atleast here there should not be any vote split. People should behave like recruiters to companies. You recruit somebody, designate a task and send him. Nomore people should follow leaders for directions. people should direct them to do a desired job. Now the immediate job is to fix AP bifurcation issues.
And I also want to say that the collaboration of TDP-BJP with pawan playing a role is not just something happened. Its NOT no strings attached. Peronally I want CBN to concentrate in Delhi and in AP JSP should take care of issues. YSRP is a third choice for me. Because, YSRP might be busy in swimming for survival or else its leader will sink. That fact bothers me. Is he gonna concentrate on fixing AP? .
Because we need to be practical, eventhough people love YSR.
1. I agree that if Supreme courts structs down the AP re-oranisation bill based on the basis of state assembly opoinion or 371D, then the bill come back to AP assembly. In that situation, TRS, congress, T-TDP and BJP will vote for division. If we do elect BJP in SA to say there is no opposition to AP division (as someone claimed already), then how we are going to get AP assembly opinion against the division?
2. TDP arrogantly unermining SA feeling about the division by having alliance with BJP and pretending that nothing going to change with the division. Pawan Kalyan is as igonrant as his brother and playing with telugu peoples emotions. Otherwise why would Pawan Kalyan support BJP if he is really angry about the way AP has been divided.
3. I am against dynastic politics and therefore don't believe in voting to YSJ based on YSR achievements. In fact, I don't have any feeling for YSR and only supported, until recently, CBN for what he did to AP. However, my love for AP is more than that for any politician and don't support any party if I feel that it is harming telugus. TDP has been established by NTR to protect telugu pride, it is very sad to know that the same party harming telugus now by having alliance with BJP that helped congress to destroy telugu unity.
So I feel it is more danger to vote to TDP/BJP than JSP or YSRCP. However, I don't understand why you are supporting TDP/BJP rather JSP.
People in SA today dont care about AP division bill anymore. People in SA and T resigned to the fact that the state is divvided. The Supreme court could have intervened many times before, but did not do anything to stop the bill before elections. Even if Supreme court finds fault with the bill, it will be passed again with super majority, irrespective of who will win in SA.
People are more worried on what will happen now. Can Jagan bring business and create jobs in SA? So many long established businessmen (India Cements, Aurobindo Pharma etc) are in trouble today because of the works of YSR and Jagan. With his kind of reputation will businesses come forward and setup shop under YCP rule in SA? After knowing so much on how corrupt he is, I would say Jagan and his party should be avoided like plague.
The division make AP as a begger state with 20-30K cr deficiet. So they have to care if they want to come out of it. BJP supported congress to make us a beggar state. So no vote to congress or bjp or their allies.
No company is going to move to AP after the division, who want to come to a beggar state. So it is better to have some one with fresh mind to sort out this mess rather than outdated politician living on past record. So CBN may have done good in the past but he did nothing to stop ruining of AP in recent years so he is as guilty as congress/bjp for the current mess. Telugus could have forgiven him for that if he had not associated with BJP, which helped congress to divide AP.
"Even if Supreme court finds fault with the bill, it will be passed again with super majority, irrespective of who will win in SA"
Yes if BJP comes to power, hence we should elect a party that don't support either bjp or congress at the centre. This is reason we are saying not vote congress or bjp or their allies.
"People in SA today dont care about AP division bill anymore."
If it were true, the outcome of this elections in SA would be same as that of recent mid-term elections, in which YSRCP won majority, congress few and TDP none. The only reason congress will be decimated in this election in SA because of the AP division. However, if you feel SA don't care about AP division, then they don't mind voting to congress. Congress leaders from SA know very well that congress will be burried for ever in SA because of AP division. If you know more than them, then you should also know that the people in SA find no reason to vote to TDP/BJP.
If people in SA don't care about AP division, why NM saying congress backstabbed SA by the division? You mean he is ignorant of present situation in SA.
Further read comments of Congress backstabbed seema-andhra, say Narendra Modi
http://www.ndtv.com/elections/article/election-2014/congress-backstabbed-seemandhra-says-narendra-modi-516550
to know whether people of SA care about AP division or not.
I have been following comments in CNN-IBN, NDTV, FirstPost etc for more than a year now. Only in the last 15 days I see so many comments in support for Jagan. Looks like they created a separate division in Sakshi office recently.
Before commenting with blind faith in TDP, please read what NM saying (congress backstabbed SA). If congress backstabbed SA by dividing AP what bjp did to SA by supporting the division. Would anyone with common sense ask this question?
"Would anyone with common sense ask this question?" as
Wouldn't anyone with common sense ask this question?
Lot of people here are saying that Jagan is compromised due to corruption cases against him. Whereas CBN who is not so encumbered will fight fiercely for the cause of Ap people. But I have not seen evidence of any such fierce fight by CBN for telugu people infact its been opposite. Also is it not a fact that CBN has comrpomised even without any corruption cases against him ?
Almost everyone who supports CBN here believes he pro-samaikya in his heart. Then is his letter not a compromise of the worst sort ? Did not his ally Ramoji Rao compromised by hobnobbing with KCR ? THe media baron talks a lot of about telugu pride but never took a single editorial stance against division of AP and one of the first to start a telangana channel. Tommorow if CBN wins then Ramoji will demand his pund of flesh for his service. What is the guarentee that CBN will not compromise on Polavaram to protect massive hyd properties of Ramoji Rao ?
Atleast Jagan looks like he will bend if forced to but CBN may happily crawl if asked to bend to save his personal wealth.
The division of AP is more or less irreversible as of now. The only way to reverse this is to build a ground level people's movement in SA and T and then approach the new BJP government to use article 3 to merge both the states. If there is genuine brotherhood among both the people, such a thing is possible.
Naidu inspite of all his blemishes will NOT convert seemandhra into a bihar, the way laalu did. 15 years of laalu's rule took bihar backwards by 150 years in terms of economy and law & order and functioning of public institutions. Ask anyone from bihar and he will tell you.
5 years of rule of crooks own party (CoP) will take seemandhra backward by 50 years in terms of economy and law & order and functioning of public institutions. Most businesses and hard working Telugu people will move to Telangana. KCR for all his rhetoric, will do what is best for Telangana as he has a point to prove and he will ally with BJP to achieve that. Infact T extremists will have 2 sweet victories – New Telangana and CoP victory in SA.
Infact the situation will be so bad in seemandhra in 2019, that it will not matter which party SA votes for in 2019. in 2019, even if they give 100% seats to TDP, the situation will be beyond redemption. Most hardworking and honest SA people and businesses will have migrated to Telangana by then and would say – Thank God! Atleast there is Telangana !!!
Whatever blemishes Naidu has, he is unfortunately the ONLY CHOICE in seemandhra, UNLESS the seemandhra people jointly decide to REGRESS INTO OBLIVION.
BJP helped congress to rape telugus by supporting AP division. We are already ruined by this act and therefore we shouldn't vote to congress or bjp or their allies to prove we are not shameless. Instead of listerning pseudo telugus, who love non southindian party BJP, we should vote to parties which understood our feelings regarding the division. So we shouldn't vote to TDP that is having alliance with BJP, which supported the division, to prevent it make us laughing stock in rest of India.
AP has been divided undemocratically under closed doors to make us think that we are not indians any more. So if there is any movement it should be to strengthen our feelings that we have been treated as if we are not indians.
For god sake no vote to TDP for its alliance with BJP.
More pathakams means more government and that means more corruption, even with the best of intentions. But if we have a corrupt crook Jagan at the top, it cant get worse. Jayalalitha has one case against her and she is forced to appear in Bangalore once in a while. Jagan with dozens of cases will be spending considerable time running around courts fighting cases. There is a possibility that he could go to jail even if he becomes CM! May be he will install Sharmila as CM and try to buy more sympathy. The politics of AP became a soap opera for the last 4 years, people are fedup. This time we should vote for progress and governance. Jagan should be avoided like plague.
CBN assuring more pathakams than non TDP parties if he comes to power, does this mean more corruption in TDP govt.?
The main criteris here is AP division. Does CBN feel any thing for AP division or not? If he does, why he is having alliance with BJP that supported congress bill on AP re-organisation? The quesion is same if YSRCP or JSP support congress or bjp. So we should support only parties that don't have alliance with congress or bjp.
I never mentioned CBN / TDP in my comment, only said we should not vote for YCP. If ridiculing YCP hurts you so much, why dont you bat for YCP directly? Instead you are repeating just one point ad nauseam! You want to punish not just Cong and BJP, but also TDP for making alliance, which was made mainly for Telangana. I hope voters in SA understand reality better and reject YCP.
AP division is the main point for telugus and it will be nauseam for non-telugus.
If TDP alliance with BJP is only in telangana, why it helping BJP to make its meetings successful in SA. By doing so, TDP and people like you trying to prove there is no feeling for AP division in SA. This is whay you said SA don't care anymore about AP division. Kindly read comments of Congress backstabbed seema-andhra, say Narendra Modi at NDTV
http://www.ndtv.com/elections/article/election-2014/congress-backstabbed-seemandhra-says-narendra-modi-516550
to know whether people of SA care about AP division or not.
What do you mean by non-Telugus? People who dont agree with you will become non-Telugu?
I have been following comments in CNN-IBN, NDTV, FirstPost etc for more than a year now. Only in the last 15 days I see so many comments in support for Jagan. Looks like they created a separate division in Sakshi office recently.
"People who dont agree with you will become non-Telugu?" This is same as saying those who don't support TDP as YSRCP supporters.
UnitedAP is the main issue for SA (telugus because KCR and co said telangana talli is different from telugu talli) and for this website. So only non-telugus don't understand this.
Before commenting with blind faith in TDP, please read what NM saying about AP division (congress backstabbed SA). If congress backstabbed SA by dividing AP what bjp did to SA by supporting the division. Would anyone with common sense ask this question?
Please read "Would anyone with common sense ask this question?"
as "Wouldn't anyone with common sense ask this question?"
I am not commenting with blind faith in TDP. But I totally reject Jagan and his party. The Congress party brought division upon us just before elections and gave us lot of pain. Making this election only about division is nothing but playing into the devious game of Congress. It looks like their plan is going to fail spectacularly both in T and SA.
I am also totally rejecting TDP for its alliance with BJP. If TDP is not arrogant, why it will have alliance with BJP in SA? In fact, it got a chance to come out of the alliance because of the differences in bjp candidates selection. Instead, TDP is promoting BJP in SA by undermining SA feelings on forceful AP division. Congress leader Sonia gave a meeting yesterday/day before yester to empty chairs for its role in AP division. Similarly BJP wouldn't have dared to come to SA for it's involvement in AP division without TDP support. So TDP not having alliance with BJP could have avoided SA falling into congress trap. Moreover, if the elections is not about the division, as said eralier, why would people vote against congress in SA? TDP popularity increased because of congress stupid mistake of dividing AP. Instead of securing the popularity by supporting the feeling of SA people, it arrogantly having alliance with the party (BJP) that helped congress in AP division. So by having alliance with bjp, TDP making SA to fall into the trap of congress.
It is a free country and you can reject or accept whichever party you want. Unlike you, I have no problem with it.
VK, I totally agree with your comment. In my opinion also TDP SHOULD NOT have put alliance with BJP. As I said earlier JSP should be elected ONLY for state legislature restricting them from being able to support cong or third front unconditionally. TDP should be elected ONLY to parliament. [I would like people to replace BJP cadidates for MP seats with JSP in such places].
People should vote differently for state legislature and parliament. This is very important.
People "should not burden CBN" with making seemandhra into singapore. This kind of nonsense he should stop speaking at least now. His job should be to sit in Delhi and fix AP bifurcation issues in the next few years.
@Ashish Kumar, I partly agree with your comment about choosing better than bad. But remember, AP bifurcation issue is nothing related to corruption or corrupt leaders. There is no bigger scam in India than Telangana scam. Its a multi thousand crore scame . And BJP legalized this scam. Nobody asked them to destroy AP and rebuild it. Foolish fellows.
Although I agree with your comment. How it is possible for voters to support TDP in some constituencies and reject their ally bjp in other constituences? Further TDP and Pawan Kalyan confusing voters with their support to BJP. If BJP wins even a single MP or MLA seats, then it will dent the pride of the people who fighting for unitedAP. Already some TDP/BJP supporters claiming that SA don't care about AP division anymore and CBN said a single word against about AP division so far. So what we achieve by sending TDP to the centre? This is very important if and when supreme court make a decision about the AP division (It seems tomorrow the Supreme court is going to hearing all the cases against AP division).
VK, I know my plan on the paper appears may be nice, but difficutlt to take it to ground level in this very short period of time, unless people become self aware and take independent decisions. People should behave like recruiters.
I still feel Pawan, TDP modi…..is NOT just to "rule" the near impoversihed state of Andhra. There is a reason for it. Otherwise its will a biggest foolish idea than even Telangana idea.So sending TDP MP's in masses will be worth. But, I want state assembly to be still alluring them. If they do their job in parliament properly, in 2019, they can be considered. [But looks like ground sitaution is little different].
So even if BJP wins couple of MP seats (which I pray they dont), atleast 20 seats from SA goes to parliament with a couple from T from BJP,TDP combine, then lot of things can be done. Because after may 16 there wont be any more cooperation between cong MP's and TRS MP's. So there will be only 6-8 TRS MP's, which is very easy to handle them.
If tomorrow supreme court does not strike down the pill and take it to a constitutional bench then, JSP will have very good prospect. If they strike it down and endorse AP bifurcation, then we desperately need TDP+BJP in parliament for further strategies.. In any case It's not all just 1's and 0's.
We were hurt badly in the past so we should follow the proverb KEEDU ENCHI MELU ENCHU (first think about bad and then about good). Previously we assumed Congress don't put telangana bill wihout agreement from both the regions, bjp won't support congress bill on AP division, the president will not sign the bill due to legal implications etc but they all failed. So we have to be more careful this time (if supreme court do struck down the AP division bill tomorrow) with plan B, C and so on than keeping lamp in air and praying God that it won't go away (supporting TDP this time is no different from this, see below the reason).
All 17 MPs (including MIM this time) plus any BJP MPs from SA will support telangana if there is a need due to tomorrow's supreme court verdict. TDP said nothing against telangana this time in SA and having alliance with BJP that fully supports telangana. So there is no guarantee that TDP will go against BJP at the centre in telangana issue and it can still justify its decision through its prepoll alliance with BJP. Probably TDP at the most may obstain from the voting rather than going against BJP on telangana issue if there is a need for voting due to the supreme court verdict. Whereas JSP/YSJ MPs definetly support unitedAP since their parties stand is for unitedAP. So I don't understand in the logic of electing TDP at the centre.
If BJP wins 10 MLA seats in this election, then you have to add this number to 119 telangana MLAs number in support of telangana. So there will be 129 for telangna and 165 against telangana. If TDP says that it still not gone against the letter it gave in 2008. If we vote out TDP this time in assembly elections in SA, then it is not bound to support unitedAP and so it may vote for telangana in assembly if there is a need for voting due the supreme court verdict on AP division. Also by giving more seats (MLA and MP) to BJP in SA after passing the AP division bill than it had in unitedAP, what message we are going to give to the rest of India regarding AP division?
JSP/YCP MPs will be as good as TDP MPs even if the suprement court endorse bifurcation. Afterall BJP or 3rd party need badly 25 MPs and don't mind which party they belong to . So it is not good idea to put all our eggs (MPs) in one basket (TDP) irrespective of what the supreme court verdict (most probably it will refer the case to the constitutional bench) on AP division.
However, the fact is it is impossible for TDP to get all 25 MP seats and similarly JSP forming govt. in the state. So JSP should fight this election with YCP to avoid division of unitedAP supporters votes.
VK,I think u r beginning to successfully convince me esp KEEDU ENCHI MELU ENCHU (first think about bad and then about good) and "all eggs in one basket". In that case, thats what pretty mcuh gonna happen. 25 will be shared equally by TDP(BJP), JSP and YSRP.
few things:
1. AFter poll analyis in T is showing that T with Hyd is going to benifit only TRS. BJP might win 5-8 MLA seats. cong doomed. In that case entire equations will change.
2. CBN at heart is still pro united accd to me. He was trapped and giving letter was his stupidity of his life. I STRONGLY believe that one. CBN does not plan to give Hyd to KCR and naxalites or lazy T employees and just walkaway. Thats just impossible to even think of.
2. Modi is against AP bifurcation. he indirectly said it in several times.So in a back to suare one scenario, this time situation in parliament will be different. Even cong wont support T bill as it is. Or atleast they will swap their role to earlier BJP's position.(Still u'r K E M E is at back of my mind).
3. But are people gonna vote to JSP and are JSP cadidates after winning gonna work to bring justice? Or busy in making money at center. I like your JSP+YSRP. I trust ex CM. But what about others?
Among all political parties who has strongest attachment to Hyd and who is hated most by T extremists?. These are the questions to ponder before vote.
Wow, so much discussion on scenarios for which miracles need to happen. Fortunately people dont vote expecting miracles happen.
You are right. Therefore SA don't vote to TDP for its alliance with BJP that supported AP division.
SC declines granting stay on Andhra Pradesh bifurcation
http://www.deccanchronicle.com/140505/nation-current-affairs/article/sc-declines-granting-stay-andhra-pradesh-bifurcation
This is the single thread on which whole JSP campaign is based on. New Govts will be formed on June 2nd and each state will be taking its own course. You still want to discuss scenarios of stopping the division? The people in T and SA have already realized this fact. Nothing good will come out of fighting for keeping the state united anymore. The only way we will have the grand old AP is when people decide to unite some 40 years down the line. For now we will have to vote for the party that has the best credentials to bring progress to SA.
In fact, I am more certain now that with the this news will make SA voters to think how AP has been divided and whom to punish for the division. I hope SA voters punish congress and bjp and their coalition partners for raping telugus through AP division.
If BJP says that it will postpone official date for bifurcation until after the supreme court verdict if it forms govt. at the centre, then SA voters may reconsider TDP/BJP. If not, then I am certain that TDP/BJP gone case in SA.
Please read "CBN said a single word against…" as "CBN didn't say a single word against…"
From the last few months of political events, it is clear that TDP turned out to be a separatist party at heart. Most SA people don't seem to have a problem with it. In the present elction, TDP is the main contender for seats in the SA region. After the AP division vote in parliament, I thought it would be difficult for any central Congress leader to tour Andhra. But Rahul and Sonia have toured Andhra electioneering like business as usual. There are no protests, black flag demonstrations etc., aganst them. Only the news that Sonia Gandhi's Guntur meeting is not well attended.
For all the people who are campaigning to impress SA people to vote for TDP, a simple hypothetical question. Let's say Kiran Kumar Reddy successfully stalled the division in Feb and was leading congress campaign in this election. What would your choice be?
I will give my guess, you still would have voted for TDP/BJP combine.
I rest my case.
Hypothetical question: If Jagan wins and then goes to jail, who will be CM of SA, Sharmila or Vijayamma?
I rest my case too. My case is more plausible than yours. Kiran rebels with high command and still goes on to lead the Congress? How can that happen? More than anything it shows how YOU are going to vote.
Kiran stalling AP division, means he was able to convince congress high command.
Because Kiran was not able to convince congress, AP division took place. And of course that is the reason for Kiran's resignation from CM post and congress party. If he had been successful, he would have been the congress campaign manager in AP elections.
>> If KCR goes to jail or dies because of liver failure, who will be next CM of T. Kavitha, KTR or Harish Rao
>> If by chance TDP comes to power in SA, What happens if CBN dies or goes to jail? Who will be the CM of SA, Balakrishna or Lokesh.
With Modi winning at the centre, there won't be Congress sponsored CBI officers. So don't worry about Jagan going to Jail.
So you think Jagan is in trouble only because Congress sent CBI hounds onto him? From what I understand, Congress is shielding him by using CBI to their advantage. If an impartial inquiry is conducted by the next Govt, he might go to jail again!
>> More than anything it shows how YOU are going to vote
great deduction. I applause your detective/logical reasoning skills.
i have informed multiple times on this forum that I support YSRCP in this elections for SA region.
For the rest of the country(non Telugu States), I support Modi. For T , I support any local party including TRS. Not Congress, not BJP and not TDP.
Just like you support YCP for the reasons you have, others are supporting TDP or JSP or what have you for their reasons. How can you paint everyone with the same brush?
I am supporting TDP in both SA and T. I strongly feel it is important that TDP shoudl win in SA. After 10 years of this rudderless Cong rule, I support Modi for PM as well.
I and mojority opposing TDP (which doesn't mean I support YSRCP) for it's alliance with telugu backstabbing part bjp. However, why would you oppose TDP in telangana and support KCR, which only confirm YSRCP and TRS understanding to destroy AP.
For me, TDP is as much responsible for the division of AP as BJP and Congress. Even today, they don't show any change of heart. The defeat in both regions (T and SA) should teach them a lesson. With Babu gone, I hope that new TDP leadership will dump the stupid strategies of CBN from 2008-14. I wanted to give TRS a chance to improve 'T' regions. I also support LokSatta party, but its chances are limited to only few constituencies around HYD.
@Chandra
While we both have a common good intention, which is that we want to have a good future for the Telugu people, we basically differ in the approach of how it can be achieved.
My approach is to look into the future, acknowledge that corruption is the most vicious thing that can impact everlasting deformative damage to societies and law & order is the prerequisite to development. My priority is to choose a leader who can inspire confidence in people by his past achievements and stature at the national level, has a vision and who inspite of his blemishes, is undoubtedly the better of the lot.
Your approach is to look into the past, assume that corruption by itself is no danger to any society and it can be managed, law & order can be entrusted to a family fiefdom who can rule by decree and choose a leader based on how best to avenge national parties who directly or otherwise had a role in divison. So your priority is to get some vague satisfaction by scoring brownie points by defeating national parties and their allies and in this process you do not mind if CoP comes to power and the whole state goes down the tube in 5 years.
The people of SA will choose either of the above approaches, which will be clear on 16th May.
Let us discuss in 2019, which approach did maximum good to the Telugu people, I mean seemandhra people specifically. You think you will be right and I think I will be right. But both cannot be right.
If SA voters do follow the separatists sympethesisers advice of forget past and think about future, then they will vote to present Congress govt. in state and UPA govt. at the centre by forgetting corruption in its govt.
Similarly if they forget past and think about the future, they will foget about YSJ corruption and vote to YSRCP.
If they forget past and think about the future, then there is no need to vote to TDP based on what CBN did in the past.
If we forget past, then no one is going to vote the so called NDA.
If we forget past, then there is no need to consider NM for the PM post based on his past acheivements.
If we really forget about the past, why there was separation based on past accusations.
If we really forget past, then why do we need courts and jails to punish for the past deeds.
If we really forget past, why do we still want the culprits in Nirbhaya case to be punished.
Past is like a predictor for what wil happen in future. So forget about past for where it suits to someone make no sense.
Past division is not an indicative of future division to come. Even if it is an indicative, it wont happen in next 5 years. Even if it happens, there is not another hyderabad to loose. But past corruption is definitely an indicative of future corruption. Past cases are indicative time and effort one needs to spend to get out of them. Overall you forget the past when it having a very less probablility of getting repeated in the next 5 years for which you are electing now.
Past division is indicative of politicians don't mind sending loved ones with others for a night for political benefits. So they can do same, even if not for the division, for some thing else. So there are worst than politicians you mentioned. At least SA don't worry about losing money in near future by being a beggar state. Moreover, it is better to give treasure keys to a theif rather than a backstabber.
Sub hash, why don't you vote for congress under the leadership of chiranjeevi and Raghu Vera reddy. Both are corruption free.
Congress will be decimated for dividing AP. If you think the division is not a problem, then you are right people would vote to congress rather than TDP. Why should telugu vote against congress if not for dividing AP?
I personally believe division is not mistake done by congress. But dividing to create one state with excess revenue and one with deficit is the sin done by congress. They should balance all revenue and projections so that both states may be giving more debts to telangana. They did that way to satify the part they are looking to benefit. That is the reason congress deservers the punishment
Congress would pay heavy price for AP division – JaiRam Ramesh on News X.
If SA voters don't care anymore about AP division why congress would be decimated in SA.
At least congress realised its mistake and gracefully accepting the punishment.
I hope TDP also realise it's mistake before it is too late and disconnect from BJP that supported AP division in SA. Otherwise, TDP will be a gone case in SA.
The deadline is over, there will be no more campaigning, change of hearts and mind etc. Only thing left is going out and vote.
Will TV/Radio transmission also terminated until the election date? No so people can see/hear the news about what suprement court said about the AP division and decided who responsible for making our state as a beggar state and vote accordingly.
VK, I understand your feelings completely and I am fully on your side. With this new but predicted, development, SA voters got some more clarity on atleast "WHOM NOT TO VOTE", instead of WHOM TO VOTE.
It's the job of supreme court to judge itself if justice not done in time can alo be called as justice? It's their headache,( not our's) to keep their reputation and answer this question, keeping in view of the deteorating conditions in India. It can happend to an accused supreme court judge also in future. They acted fast on TN LTTE case quickly recently, but not on this one.
I sincerely appreciate Undavalli. He proved to be a fighter. With supreme court not intervening before june, it emphasizedTelangana extremists statements. So,unfortunately it looks like Its not over and gonna be ugly. Things have not yet reached the bottom. Let's see after may 16 or whenever it' s out.
I know we are now mostly seemandhrites here, but can anyone comment on rumors of deal between TRS and MIM for giving akbaruddin home ministry of Telangana as part of alliance package? Just rumors or has KCR really sold out to such a degree?
Nothing meant, but genuine curiosity. If true, Chakravarthy garu basically predicted future in his book…
I dont know. I thought we are pushed to 1956 times. But looks like Indian Union has pushed us back to 1766 when Nizam started separating telugus and cutting the connections to Hyd. There was no concept of India at all at that time. Nice job by GOI!.
I think, the prediction of Bhasmasura wish is for everybody, and it was a after a very well thought process.
Yes…sad to say.
Apparently nizam used to promote obscurantists to split up Telugus. Same strategy now from mim. Alas that we must see such days so soon after NTR garu restored our pride. Regaining our economic strength in Seema should be priority 1…
MIM? It was done by Hindu fundamentalists conspiring with outsiders.
Oh God, here we go again. Can't even have a polite discussion without you jagan spambots doing your propoganda. Election will soon be over, pls give it a rest.
I have given links in past showing how MIM had been openly calling for urdu-speaking hyderabad state since at least 2006 and how some razakars still are (probably in stage 2 or 3). Even Chakravarthy garu calls it Nizam Telangana, and driving force for T state was ruling congress govt. BJP does have some blame, haven't denied, but main force was congress/trs/mim nexus. BJP merely for splitting state but for keeping Telugu culture–there is a difference. MIM voted for Telangana/Bifurcation resolution in assemby and calling for urdu as first language. TRS is changing Telugu culture, making more urduized.
I didn't even refer to any of your heroes–unless your hero is razakar fundoo monster oinkwaisi (and slave dora kcr), so will give you benefit of the doubt for previous comment and leave it at that.
If anyone else has info on alleged T-state home ministry deal, would be interested in hearing. Not interested in stale debates from other threads.
@nyaya, my reply was neither to keep you interested nor please you. It was a fact. If u know MIM conspiracy you should go and hold the collar of BJP and cong parties and kick their a@@ for bifurcating AP with zero knowledge. There is no point in coming here and posting gossips.
You didn'd even know why chakravarthy calls this as Nizam telangana. You better dig through years ago comments here before more ignorance is displayed.
Thank you.
@ jagan spambot. no need to do continue propoganda–can't affect polling anymore.
Now you are are blindly making hilarious accusations of my ignorance when you're the one attempting to focus blame on "hindu fundamentalists"–nothing but talk of moronic mim slaves. Instead of talking of comments–read Chakravarthy garu's book and educate yourself.
looks like there are doras even among some seemandhrites, otherwise obvious would not be cast aside as gossip:
http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2006-04-27/hyderabad/27794125_1_urdu-separate-state-muslimeen
SC as expected showed third rate competency. Not just corruption but lack of competence also hurts the nation like CBN and SC.
One thing I notice is the strange silence of CBN supporters as to the "runa mafi" promise. Unlike electricity a loan is not a commodity and not given by the govt. Runa mafi is not only financially ruinious to the govt but also will destroy the banking system in AP. I wonder on what basis the gentlemen who is Nalamotu freind felt CBN is closes to libertarian ideals. Runa mafi is as robin hood as it can get.
You are wrong, runa mafi is more benign than many other "schemes" like arogyasri etc. Let me be clear, I am not in support for any of these overly populist extravagant schemes. But loan waiver is a one time thing. It is a fixed burden and once disbursed, it is not there anymore (until another politician promises the same, but that a different matter!). But Arogyasri or fee reimbursement etc, once people see that, they will start feeling entitled to the benefits. All political parties will be compelled to continue those. It is onething if financial planning is done and taxes are levied to finance the scheme. But just showering boons like these damage the economy, use up all the income for giving away money back and increase corruption, instead of infrastructure building.
I wish to thank Mr. Chakravarthy Garu for providing such a nice platform to air our (and my) views
I also wish to thank VK, Kiran, Nyaya and Mann for participating in a healthy debate.
With the elections in SA coming to an end and decision from SA not to intervene with AP bifurcation with an interim order. Here are are my wishes in descending order
1. Hope Mr. Vundavalli and team win the case in SC and SC corrects the decision taken by GOI and Indian Parliament. I do hope that the bifurcation of AP is rejectec in the final order passed by SC in Aug/Sep 2014
If that fails
2. I hope that TRS wins the assembly elections in 'T' and YSRCP wins the assembly elections in the remainder of AP.
3. I hope that Congress dies in SA completly and starts it's slow death in T
4. I hope that Loksatta party has more leaders other than JP. Hope the party at least wins 2 seats in these elections, so that we have more than one leader known to people.
5. I hope TDP throws CBN in west bengal and elects a non-Nandamuri/ non-Nara person as the leader over the next 5 years and becomes a more powerful political entity over the next 5 years
6. I hope that Modi becomes the PM of India with zero MP seats from AP and near to zero seats from T.
7. I hope that relegion does not play any role in elections in 2014 and any other election going forward
and lastly
8. Mr. Charkravarthy garu starts a libertarian party in AP and becomes a formidable party to win at least one MLA seat in 2019 elections….
Thank you very much…….
>>>>>> SA not to intervene with AP bifurcation with an interim order.
Please read it as SC not to intervene with AP bifurcation with an interim order.
@ Ramesh, well said.
Glad you decided to end on classy note here (even including me in your list above
all things considered ). Though I disagree with many of your views, will reciprocate. Good debate. All the best. We get the government we deserve–hope it's finally a good one 
.
nyaya says:
May 7, 2014 at 7:21 pm@ jagan spambot. no need to do continue propoganda–can't affect polling anymore.
. Okay, so my guess about you was correct and my probe worked. Good enough.
@ jagan spambot, your computer must be over heating–not making sense any more. Which is also why you ran away from my link above showing MIM push for separate urdu speaking state in Telangana back in 2006. I think we know who is doing the propoganda after all…
I opened a new thread for you. :)
Go ahead.
Well? I'm waiting
Waiting? What waiting? Please understand, this blog has never been until now for gossips. I always said, regional extremism and religious extremism should be crushed with an iron fist, if we ever want to see a dharmic India based upon vedic foundations for exploring greater pursuits in life. And there is no contradiction in this. It's possible.
Divisive forces should never be tolerated based upon region or religion. Otherwise you are going to see India, disintigrating within your lifetime. Because that will be the only option left.
Haha, open declaration in most widely read newspaper in India, and you talk of gossips?–sounds more like the obfuscation.
It is quite clear what oinkwaisi platform was in 2006, it is quite clear that they openly pushed/are pushing for urdu as first language of Telangana state–and yet pseudo-seculars (now pseudo-dharmics due to shifting sands) try to equate bjp with mim. Anyone with sense can see one is nationalist other is anti-national.
India has been disintegrating since anti-hindu congress elected. It continues because of politics of mamta's and jagan's who protect mim/oinkwaisis or try to equate with bjp.
I made a non-controversial statement above–even avoided reference to jagan/ysrcp–and even then you tried to blame hindus. You can pretend you want dharmic India, but your previous comments belie this.So don't try to play innocent after covering for oinkwaisis.
If there are open declarations then u should talk to your bosses, about why they supported such a traitor act. No point in coming here and expressing your agony with the people who are deceived by the "pseudo-nationalists". Or go and ask them to atleast fix the issue now.
First talk to your bosses about why they are traitors…
1) Mudumbai: A TAMIL Srivaishnavaite whose family first lived in Rayalaseema and then moved to Warangal. Who said Nizam Telangana does not have poets. (Tamil Brahmin)
2) Madabhushi Sridhar: A disgruntled Srivaishnava descendant of TAMIL origin who brought the Tamil revenge on Andhras to fruition with his cheap articles from the Madras-Andhra divide. (Tamil Brahmin)
3) Chidambaram: A Tamil that formally divided Telugus.
4) GoM (Group of Ministers): Jairam Ramesh (Srivaishnavite TAMIL) who divided the properties of Telugus. (Tamil Brahmin)
5) Governor Narasimhan: A TAMIL Srivaishnavite who ruled Telugus after his people divided the Telugus and further divided jobs, positions and faculties. (Tamil Brahmin)
6) Sivaramakrishnan Committee: Headed by KC Sivaramakrishnan (Srivaishnavite or Iyer) to further divide Telugus by granting a capital at a place where the Telugus will again fight forever. (Tamil Brahmin)
CONGRATULATIONS TO THE TAMIL DIASPORA — You are successful and you may occupy more jobs left behind by Andhras. Oh BTW research every organization in Hyd and you will find the Tamils in the top management, let it be defense, educational or corporate.
Look outside the Box: Whatever happened, whatever is happening and whatever will happen has a reason.
Oh BTW I forgot to tell. At my office I have 2 bosses, both are Tamil Srivaishnavites. Ever since I had them as bosses, it is a hell. They HATE Telugus.
More interesting is that one of the bosses is 4th generation Tamil of Hyd, and his wife too. Even more interesting is the fact that a chunk of Secunderabad is Tamil. From Railway Station to Alwal all tamils. Confirm it if you do not believe. These are "Settlers" who migrated during the British times when Secunderabad and Madras Presidency were under British control.
Even Vattikota Alwar Swamy and Varadacharyulu Vanamamalai, sung by Nizam Telugu people are Tamil Srivaishnavaites SETTLED in the Hyd state.
NEXT I will give the MARATHI link to the world's biggest lie, the movement that led to division of Telugus.
Ayyaa…understand the reason for creating two states…read today's article
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/home/lok-sabha-elections-2014/news/Telangana-to-face-acute-shortage-of-doctors/articleshow/34827946.cms
What does it have to do with Telangana "people" hating other Telugu people? What did the people do? You had the damn capital with you and you were not satisfied. Well it is good for the rest at least now they don't have to pour their money into Hyd and develop it more.
And all media is under the control of TJAC. That is why in TRS manifesto unlike any others, the reporters are promised boons. That link you sent is a big lie. There are no doctors in the rest of AP. That is why people have to come to Hyd for treatment.
What about Tanneru Harish Rao from TRS? Isn't tanneru a tamil world?
T people love telugu people, andhra people and tamil people too…it was the fight for the fair share and against the exploitation…
Yes, you love telugus just the way nazi's loved jews and sent them to gas chamber.
Similarities between Hyderabad Province and Kashmir Province
Why Indians are hypocrites? Why we people of Telangana want a separate country or annexation to Pakistan? We Osmania students & Kakatiya students organizations will one day achieve our objective.
Hyderabad was ruled by a Muslim ruler Nizam at the time of independance. Kashmir was ruled by a Hindu prince Hari Singh. At that time Hyderabad had 90 some percent Hindus and Kashmir had 77 percent Muslims.
Since Kashmir was in close proximity to Pakistan and since the population was majority Muslims, Pakistan fought for Kashmir. Most muslims of Kashmir wanted a separate country or annexation to Pakistan.
Since Hyderabad was landlocked in India and was majority Hindu, India(Sardar Patel) fought for Hyderabad to be included into India. Most Feudal Lords (Reddy Velama Desastha Deshpande Naik Doras) and Muslims wanted a separate country or annexation to Pakistan. If that was wrong why is it correct for Kashmir to be in India.
If India needs Kashmir, it has to give up Hyderabad state.
Secunderabad has the nations second largest cantonment because of the India-Hyderabad war.
Gandhi was the Father of India and not of Hyderabad state or Kashmir. Sardar Vallabhai was the Forcer of Hyderabad state into India and not the Father. We will remove all statues of Gandhi and install Nizam's in their place. We do not want Marathi, Kannada and Telugu. We want Urdu back in our province. C.Narayana Reddy was educated in Urdu and he likes it more than Telugu. He himself said, "The beautiful Urdu was taken over by Telugu Andhras who forced it on the Telangana people".
Good try Andhra Bro…
Go away Dora. We don't need you. We have Bathukamma and we will make you dance in our Bonalu and Samakka. We are natives.
Good one Hyderabadi Bro…
Persian and Arab barbarian colonists have no claim on the land of Telangana–and are not real Telanganites either. If they want their precious urdu state, they can go to porkistan–or better yet, middle east. Telangana is a region of Telugus–hence the name, genius. And don't compare your hacking language urdu to our telugu, a far more sophisticated language than persian bastard talk.
Oinkwaisis and hyderabadi delusions will soon go in the dustbin like their dethroned nizam and imprisoned razakar rizvi.
Cultureless persian/turk savage shows his lack of culture–and also lying nature w/ fake handle. Doesn't know his father so tries to claim Telangana land that is not his (belongs to Telugus of that region).Nizam was buffoon and kazim a coward, both were defeated. Barbarians don't know how to behave, so taught lesson by Patel. If can't behave, should go back to desert home, or will be sent there.
No profanities please. You are free to write anything you want, The only condition to comment on this blog is to refrain from profanities.
Your kullu will do no harm to HYD bro….no matter how much you try HYD will be unique and extreme Cosmo in the WORLD…
"hyderabadi" meaning ppl who speak urdu at home (like deleted imposter) not Telanganites who speak Telugu at home and happen to live in Hyderabad. Hyderabadi has 2 connotations, one municipal and one ethnic (referring to mostly middle east migrants). Take look at my comments here and those of other seemandhrites–have I been attacking T native telugus? No, mine are most moderate comments. Wanted samaikya Andhra, upset at result, but have moved on and am more concerned about preserving Telugu culture and integrity of India. Please pick your battles rather than inventing "kullu".
nyaya says:May 10, 2014 at 6:09 pmFirst talk to your bosses about why they are traitors
Nyaya, Did AP assembly asked your bosses to pass T bill in parliament? It seems u r very naive in this issue. Which state in India till now was formed based upon all party meeting? Show me one example.We r pulverizing cong party for passing the bill and questioning the moral right of BJP (Pseudo nationalists)who destroyed the unity of people. Where is your nationalism gone when you supported Telangana extremists, fully knowing their hidden motives with MIM? You supported fight between people of one nation.We WILL get answers from you and We WILL make you fix this.
@jagan spambot. voting is over, no need for more propoganda. You are a sepoy for foreigners–your opinion doesn't matter. Your christian fundamentalist rowdies (and mim razakar pals) made quite a name for themselves through goondaism. You supported this fight to change native culture of Telugu people. Keep trying these games and We WILL fix you.
nyaya, I have seen several insane comments here from Telangana separatists. But surprisingly your's is the classic one. See, ……..because we are anonymous does not mean u go to a well known blog and spam there and call people as some propagandists, spambots etc. That does not show your character well. Now, I have been following this blog for over 4 years and posted I guess more than 100 comments. I challenge you to show atleast one comment where I was supporting a particular political party fantatically. This issue has been apolitical from the beginning. This is about Telugu people not political parties or religions.
This kind of your blind fanaticism and hatred for other religions has caused blindness to BJP to support Telangana bill. They did not know what they were doing and just wanted to come to power to push their own beliefs. For that they made AP a scapegoat. If BJP wants to become an alternative to cong (Which I hope they will become), they need to come out of this fanaticism. Otherwise no 2019.
You go to some blog and shout on religions, shed your frusration, and bring more hatred , and polarize the society in India, what will u achieve? I will tell u, u wont achieve anything by this intolerance. You are not learning anything after T hatred and AP bifurcation.People doing 3 times sandhya vandanam do not support this madness. You are not doing any good to hindu dharma. You are doing a Bhasmasura act. At the end u will say..oops we F'ed up, like Advani and other leaders said in february.
I will give you 1 week time. This is a public blog. All comments are here. Show me and prove your character. Nothing to hide here.
Insanity is the well-known specialty of your party boss–perhaps it's affected you too. Telugu people are part of Dharmic civilization which India is home. Other religions are welcome, but have no right to change our culture/religion, like your ysr/mim parties. Hatred already brought by your jagan when he walked into Tirupati temple with chappals twice–correct these people or you are part of their Bhasmasura act, and have no right to lecture to Telugu people what their culture is.
Who are you to make demands? Prove your character and stop wasting everyone's time with your nonsense. See look at all the oinkwaisi minions pretending to be Telugus–what proud Reddy would call himself a Dora? That alone shows oinkwaisi porkistani designs and lies, but christian fundoos like you try to pin point blame on patriotic hindus (which you clearly did above, I merely mentioned mim). We don't need your lectures. I asked a reasonable question above about political deal, and you distracted with pointless tangent.So again, prove your character by stop wasting people's time denying the well known facts. Clearly i hit a nerve otherwise you wouldn't be ranting verbal diarrhoea to cover.
Congratulations dude!. You are breaking your own record. Even more insanity.Keep it up!. You still have 1 week times though.
Real insanity is to elect crooks own party (CoP) to rule seemandhra and to show to the nation that SA is a state that deserves to be represented by a crook, and all this is being justified in the name of punishing the BJP. Real insanity is to elect people who show no respect to Lord Balaji of the sacred seven hills, and this is being justified in the name of punishing the BJP.
People willing to ditch their religion for money are here talking about Telugu self-respect. What a tragedy for SA !!!
Now I am beginning to understand why Telangana people wanted a separate state.
Jai Telangana !
Telangana people wanted a separate state to make another crook called dubai shankar their first self-respectful ruler.
Since other side no longer making sense. I guess all that needs to be said, has been. Want to thank Chakravarthy garu for all his work on our behalf. I will try to end with a saametha that all true blue Telugus (whether from Telangana or Seema) can appreciate: "inta gelichi racha geluvu".
The only widespread fairly regular dance in telangana is for telugu cinema music – imitating moves of "andhra" heroes etc. Once in a year or so a few sorry asses from lower castes are forced to whip themselves or jump around for bathukamma and bonalu. Hypocrasy's another name is telangana sepratism.
I wonder which one of these will be the state festival — Bathukamma (Low BC Festival), Bonalu (SC Festival), Samakka (ST Festival). I wonder if the "settlers" will be forced to do them.
Setters means Andhras only
and not Arab Owaisi brothers, Negros of First Lancer, Nanal Nagar, Tamils of Secunderabad, Gujarathis and Rajasthanis of Sultan Bazar, Marathis of Begum Bazar etc etc.
Settlers Front should talk into this before the state forms officially on June2. Hindi festivals like Holy, Rakhi and Krishnashtami and Marathi Festivals like Ganesh chathurthi can be followed by Settlers and Natives ( Arab Owaisi brothers, Negros of First Lancer, Nanal Nagar, Tamils of Secunderabad, Gujarathis and Rajasthanis of Sultan Bazar, Marathis of Begum Bazar etc etc) all alike.
Now time to develop Uttarandhra. Get kicked out in 50 more years.
http://www.thehindu.com/news/cities/Visakhapatnam/make-vizag-capital-campaign-gains-steam/article5996515.ece
Developed Madras — kicked out 60 yrs back.
Developed Nizami — kicked out this yr.
Develop Uttarandhra — get kicked out in next 60 yrs.
Why can't the Tamil Brahmin headed committee decide for a central location Ongole.
@Kumar
The Seemandhra capital committee is all a charade. The central powers have already decided on the issue but go through this circus of a committee report. Remember Sri Krishna Committee report? They will decide on a place as a new capital that is most inconvenient or humiliating for most coastal people. Our upper casters are ready historically to serve whoever is in power, be it an eyetalian, a turkic shaw or Nizam or a mongol or Angrez. We are too broadminded when it comes to choosing our masters.
Why cry and ask for sympathy or shower self pity?
I have asked many times in this blog as what are your choices for SA Capital?
Can you name one instead of crying on Tamils or North or Delhi???
Hey GK, you worry about your Nizam's Telangana because Chilkur Temple is managed by Tamil Brahmins (Head Priest is MC Soundarajan) and as per them it is the only temple after Tirupathi that attracts many. Anantha Padmanabha temple in RR district is also managed by Tamils. What are your so-called jealous educationalist brahmin chukka ravanaiah doing in this respect.
Why you only cry on Seemandhra, what about Arabs, Turks etc in your region.
I want Andhra people to flourish in T, be it temples, institutions, businesses..T welcomes SA, Arabs, Turks…all are welcome…
GK you have a dual personality. All these days you said Andhras should be kicked out. Now you talk like a gandhi. You are a Jinnah.
I see that time and again some people in here trying to use religion to incite each other…vested and cunning characters…will eat dirt one day…
and some other cunning idiots like you eat regionalism dirt.
I like Andhra people and their hard work and appreciate their achievements. I want you to respect the rights of T people…go figure who is an idiot…
Yes we believe you. You don't appreciate you are jealous. Isn't that the fundamental of this jealous professor led movement.
Congratulations for TDP, which won majority municipal elections in seema-andhra (telugunaadu) because telugus rejected congress for bifurcating AP forcefully. TDP didn't had alliance with BJP at the time and hence successuful in muncipal elections because the other non-congress was a new party. However, telugus in towns are very angry with AP division so they would also reject, I hope, TDP for having alliance with BJP like they rejected congress in municipal elections.
nyaya says:May 12, 2014 at 5:41 am
"Hyderabadi has 2 connotations, one municipal and one ethnic (referring to mostly middle east migrants)……….IN REPLY TO GK.
I second the opinion of nyaya . Good comment.
GK, No improvemen still. When Nayapool bridge, Charminar, Hussain sagar dam were constructed, almost all of present AP was united. Coastal people have every right of economic and historic nature on Hyderabad. After AP formation, they developed Hyd to an international city and gave jobs to millions of T youth (directly and indirectly). You never showed any grace and have been thinking of backstabbing.
You are thinking that if all shop owners in your street move out u can open a shop and make money, as people will not have any other choice. This is the mega plan of chicken headed so called Telangana intellectuals in rebuilding T. An avg Telangana doctor who runs a nursing home thinks like this. A Telangana construction engineer thinks like this. And lesser we talk about govt employees, better.There by u think T people will progress. Zero idea about how modern economy works. These people dont know what is a country. Dont know what is a society. How hard it was to get independence from British. Because we never experienced it. Selfish. Pathetic,tribal thinking.
It is very embarassing to see all these things. Telangana people atleast now should come to their senses and behave like adults. We need to share and accomodate common wealths and live with dignity and decency. Otherwise what will we teach to our future generation? We will become a laughing stock in India.Think about it.
Appreciate Chandra's polite comment above after much bitterness between us. And wish to return the compliment. Whatever election result, all Telugus should come together after in same spirit he showed in first sentence.
While no one was more upset at bifurcation than I was, will only say, time for fighting between brothers is over. New state has been created, so whatever some T commenters here there may be saying, let us think of moderate majority of Telangana Telugus who still have some faint sentiment of common telugu thanam. EE thaadi kuda tegincha kurdadu, no matter how much we in Seema feel provoked.
Real enemy has showed face here–and it is not nijamaina Telangana janaalu. So please, my brothers, let us switch our speech with our fellow Telugus. Before bifurcation, reminders of commonality made with harsh speech. They have own state now, so what will harsh speech accomplish? Anubhavam alone is best teacher. So please, let us switch to sweet speech worthy of our sweet language and give gentle reminders of our common culture.
Chandra was absolutely right about how we have become laughingstock–I feel this humiliation too and it boils my blood. But we have to ask whether crying will put the milk back in the bottle. Can't. Only way to get more paalu is by nurturing the aavu of our samskruthi. Then it will remind TG people more than harsh words of need of all Telugus to "share and accommodate common wealths and live with dignity and decency". All this comes from our common Telugu Samskruthi–it is the only way.
@nyaya,
Thank you for that comment brother. I see your agony over the deteriorating, even minimal age-old dharmic traditions in India, and that frustration is expressing in other ways. I understand that one.
@ chandra
and thank you for initiating. yes, and i see the frustration of other side expressing in other ways too, but I am glad we were both able to return the compliment in spirit of civility
. hopefully we can all put this bitterness aside and rebuild our state after the results are announced.
Telangana will prosper when it breaks free from the separtist demons who are controlling it now. Just look at one such demon GK – according to him for telangana people fellow telugu people from seemandhra are same as arabs, gujaraties ..tamils etc. Yeah right – every friday telangana people line up fo arab movies and try to get in to marriage alliances with gujaraties and tamils. Its a total artificial identity of telangana these demons are forcing on telangana people for their greed. And when telangana drives these fellows without their panche then it will prosper.
Whatever dude. These ass holes will never change whatever nice you say about them.
NDA will review Congress last minute decisions – Venkaiah Naidu
He also said Seema-Andhra decimated Congress because they are angry with the way AP has been divided.
Will NDA reverse Congress last minute decision on AP division?
No dude, I don't want that to happen as Seemandhra has got a really good chance to develop and not develop viswasamuleni kukkalu again.Kurnool as capital will benefit Seemandhra as it is on the same deccan high region just as hyd.
BJP saying it is against free welfare whereas TDP promising loan waiver for farmers etc. So where do we get money to cover the budget deficient of 20-30K cr plus loan waiver.
If NM really mean what he said in his meetings in AP, then he should undo congress last minute decisions including AP division.
If Kurnool become the AP capital, what gurantee we have that rayalaseema don't ask for the separation after Kurnool develops like Hyderabad.
It is better to disperse the industries, offices, etc. We should be the only state with no capital but all cities as capitals.
I saw some comments in this forum that one should not bring religion into the discussions. Let us not pretend that the elephant in the room does not exist.
In AP, if someone is openly casteist, he is secular. If someone is openly regionalist, he is secular. If someone makes fun of Hinduism, he is secular. If someone says – Jago Bhago, then he is secular. But if someone speaks about Hindu dharma which is essentially secular and that speaks about oneness of all human beings, then he is communal.
Religion determines culture more than language or regionalism. Otherwise Indian Punjab and Pakistani Punjab would have been together as they both speak Punjabi and are the land of 5 rivers. West bengal and Bangladesh would have been together as they both speak Bengali and sing – amar sonar bangla (My Bengal is gold).
Telugu unity is a big nonsense IF it is not based on the foundation of Hindu dharmic ideals and culture. It is Hindus who celebrate Ugadi and Bonalu.
Asish, well said brother. For these idiots like GK who said not to bring religion. What is Bathukamma and whole nonsense about celebrating that Low BC festival and making it the state festival. Isn't Bathukamma a religious festival of a group of casteist regionalist radical fanatic terrorists who created terror in the telugu people of Non-Nizam. These are bigger terrorits than Osama.
hahaha KCR–Dubai Shekar, Broker, Hatred-Monger, Terrorist,Gunda,Mawali to be the first CM of Naizam. This shows how much the people were moved by the whole fraud movement and the hatred filled speaches of jealous professors and educationalists of Naizam. Anyways even I wanted him to be the CM as it will mark the biggest blot on the Naizam. As you sow so shall you reap. The only I am worried is they are now going to make the Urdu-Telugu combination as the official language.
Congratulations to KCR.
He finally got electoral manadate for the division.
I do not believe in HISTORY REPEATS. Yet I felt that Telanagans cannot claim Hyderabad as it did not happen in last four centuries. My assessment failed me. Though not my belief.
Well, it is time for us to vacate Hyderabad.
We repeated 1000 times thate AP bifurcation will be a loose-loose for everybody except extremists. Nothing surprising. Your assesment was infact right. I remember you saying cong will sink and it will take others with it. It took AP in this case. Chidambaram misguided them all along, from dec 9th and every step was wrong. I read, disasters wont happen just like that, but there would be a chain of actions before that. They miserably failed to sense that.
Congress got decimated in both seema-andhra and telangana. I hope BJP realises why Congress with strong hold in AP got rejected (due to the way AP has been divided) and act accordingly by reversing Congress last minute decisions such as AP division under closed doors.
BJP should immediately delay the official AP division date until Supreme Court delivers it's verdict on the division. Can CBN influence NM to delay the official division date?
But didn't Supreme Court already deliver it's verdict in favor of the division. Please read the latest news.
When? It only postponed the hearing to August.
Some rough thoughts:
Two weeks more and is sufficient if they atleast WAKE UP now. There seems some sort of a constitutional crisis coming in if they dont form govt immediately. Adminstrative and assets bifurcation is not yet done and no prob even if they take 3 more months . Postone the appointed day by 3 months and call for the formation of govt in integrated AP. Since they can not form it, impose a president rule for the next 6 months. Equations will change by that time.
Neither cong nor BJP gained from this and hysteria of northern T only won. No point.
If they still dont act haste, they will face even more tougher decisons in future, potentially looking at operation polo 2 to evict extremists. Surprisingly ,this time also a strong nationalist from Gujarat like in 1948!.
Parties who batted with a straight bat all these years won. TRS fought with a single point agenda and succeeded in getting Telangana statehood as well as won elections. TDP respected Telangana sentiment, but still fought for rights and progress of Telugu people. It was accepted in both the regions, will form government in SA. Crooked parties Congress and Jagan played divisive politics and bit dust. Congress leaders in TG lost sight of public good, got greedy and played to the tune of KCR. In the end they all perished.
VK, what is the use of delaying division? The people of TG gave a clear mandate in favor of the separatist party. It is better to work on fair division of assets and move on.
What about Seema-Andhra (SA)? Didn't SA give mandate against the division by decimating Congress (which got big zero in both parliament and assembly elections)? Why would SA need telangana mandate for making SA as a new state (technically SA has to move out and create the new capital)?
Going by your arguments before, SA did not give mandate against division. Afterall they gave majority to BJP who played crucial role in division, and its allied party TDP.
The people of SA gave bumper majority to Congress for 2 terms. Congress party broke the trust of the people by the way they divided the state, so people punished Congress. The people took a bad hit due to division, but decided to pickup pieces and move on. This is not the first instance in the world where catastrophe struck a society. But we have seen people will rise to the challenge and improve.
One shouldn't act smart, Congress acted over smalrt in dividing AP – CBN on NDTV. So you know better than CBN why congress routed in SA?
Congress got a big zero in SA because the way it divided the state, which is a well known fact to everyone except you. BJP saying that it will reverse congress last minute decisions and they also saying that the way it divided AP was wrong. So what is wrong in requesting BJP to reverse the way AP divided by Congress under closed doors. As you said SA gave the majority to BJP through TDP, so at least now BJP do some thing (such as delaying official date on AP division) good to SA.
VK, you are just playing with words.
Both TG and SA people are looking to see elected govts, any more Governor's rule will be seen with deep suspiscion. So you want to delay until court pronounces its verdict? That will take a loong time, both parties have access to best lawyers. Delaying the official date will do no good to TG or SA, no one is looking forward to that.
You are the one playing with words. There is a case against AP bifurcation and therefore it is fair to delay the official date of separation until the Supreme court verdict. It is better to have governor's rule than undoing the division of AP after the court verdict. If you are against the division like the majority telugus, then you will agree with the delay in official date of AP separation.
Congratulations to all Telugu people for throwing the Congress out of the state.
I hope the local parties TRS and TDP can bring in better days. The icing on the cake is that TDP doing better than Congress in T.
Pora vedhava. Congress meedha padi edichey mundhu telugu vallu telugu vallu okalla meedha okallu padi edavakunda emi cheyagaligamu,
Congratulations to Shri Narendra Damodardas Modi – 14th Prime Minister of the Republic of India and India's first PM to be born after independence.
INDIA BATHES IN SAFFRON. The spectacular effect of the TsuNaMo. CONgress disappears from India polity – The dream of CONgress mukht Bharat has been achieved. The 2019 target of the BJP will be Target 400+.
Obviously the people of SA proved themselves worthy and having self-respect by giving a good majority to BJP+TDP and telling the world that its was only congress that was responsible for the state's divison. Many childish and immature comments made in this forum opposing BJP have been quashed and BJP+TDP combination proved triumphant and Naidu did the BEST thing by aligning with the BJP. Else he would have lost.
The people of Seemandhra gave a befitting reply to those who show no respect to Lord Balaji of the sacred seven hills. Crooks own party has been stopped in its tracks which means that the SA people can now look forward to rapid development and prosperity under Naidu and support from Modi.
With TRS getting majority in T, I think KCR should stop making immature comments of supporting UPA. He should firmly ally with the BJP by giving important ministries in the KCR government so that rapid development of T can be achieved.
Some comments in this forum about reversing T decision are immature. The divison is irreversible unless both T and SA governments approach BJP in the centre and request BJP to use article 3 and merge both states.
Once again let us savour BJP's super massive victory!
Jai Shri Ram ! Vande Mataram !!!
Whatever fool, write for yourself. Why do you care about T? I tell you, you eat their zhit, then also they will beat your azz.
"SA proved themselves worthy and having self-respect by giving a good majority to BJP+TDP and telling the world that its was only congress that was responsible for the state's divison"
If it is true, why would SA spare TDP+BJP if they continue the way Congress want to divide AP. NTR won spectaculalry in 1983 but lost in 1989. Similarly Congress won 400+ MP seats in 1984 elections but lost in 1989 elections. So BJP will lose the same way, if it behave like Congress and continue congress last minute decisions such as AP division. BJP should have been demolished like congress in SA but thanks to TDP it won 4 out of 13/14 MLA and 2 out of 4 MP seats it contested. If TDP really respect SA feelings, which they proved by routing ruling Congress in present elections, then it should act accordingly.
True telugu opposed Congress for the way AP has been divided and they will do again if TDP/BJP don't undo the injustice done to telugus by Congress through the division of our beloved state.
AP starts with 20K cr budget deficit and on top of that, it needs 40-50K cr to waive loans promised by CBN. I hope CBN is not a fool to agree with the way state has been divided and strongly oppose if BJP continue Congress way of dividing AP, which give SA no capital city, 20K cr deficit, no educational institutes, no super speciality hospitals, no income from IT and Pharma etc.
I opposed TDP alliance with BJP in SA for BJP role in AP division. Only way I and the majority wanted unitedAP could be made wrong by TDP is to influence BJP to stop immediately the last minute decision of Congress on AP division. I am very happy to be proven wrong and if you are true telugu you would also agree with undoing injustice come with the AP division. Reversing Congress last minute decisions such as AP division would indicate how serious BJP in freeing India from Congress, otherwise Congress Mukht Bhart make no sense.
http://www.thehindu.com/news/national/andhra-pradesh/telugu-desam-party-back-to-power-with-a-bang/article6017051.ece
The one and only reason Naidu won is PAWAN KALYAN.(27% Kapus) and 80% fans. Otherwise the uneducated fools of Seemandhra would have voted completely to either Congress or YSR party. In my extended family of 600plus people just before Pawan Kalyan came to political stage, 75% people wanted to vote for YSR Congress and others wanted to vote for Congress (old sentiment) and just our family wanted to vote for TDP (that is because we were raised in Hyd and we knew the lies and rechachagotudu remarks of Telangana movement very well – in one way we were all globally intellectual just like telangana people — thanks to the hyd education). Though our family tried to explain our bums (extended family) they did not give a damn. As we all know though KCR was spitting on their faces and though Telanagana movt was fraud and spewed venom due to jealousy on Seemandhras, no seemandhra beggar complained or raised voice and were busy in movies and boothu, — with the exception of people like Parala Prabhakar, sometimes Sri Venkateswara University students, sometimes Vundavalli Arun who at times gave good reply to the lies of telangana people and their fraud movt — thus no idiot from our extended family (whose passtime was cinema, serials and boothu) agreed to vote for TDP because they did not know there was a fraud movt going and they were being targetted, all they were thinking was it was political but they did know the truth that it was jealousy ridden movt. Anyways as we all would imagine, their cinema cum caste God PAWAN KALYAN gave the speech and over night these relatives or buggers changed their vote to TDP.
Imagine what will happen to Seemandhra. Poor Chandra Babu Naidu and Kiran Kumar Reddy had to field Tollywood beggars to get votes. That is the truth about Seemandhra people. Telangana people can spit on their faces but they will not understand, they will understand only one language that is Cinema, Boothu. What is this Balayya winning from Hindupur, Roja winning from some place in Chittoor, Murali Mohan winning from Rajahmundry, and the HIGHLIGHT Immoral character actress Hema who was caught prostituting near Gandipet was fielded from Mandapeta etc thousands others. What are these thirdclass people. Will they be able to reply to TRS Kavitha, other educated canidates or the professors or the students of Osmania who who won as MLAs and MPs in Telangana. All the seemandhra beggars can talk in Assembly and Parliament is cinema.
BTW The only biatch that got complete justice is Ramulamma Vijayashanthi, she did so much for the fraud movt, she even sold her birth right from Rajhamundry to Chennai to Warangal, even then people kicked her in her balayya nuked bum.
OK now TDP won the elections. How it is going to counter KCR? Is it by agreeing with the way AP divided by Congress? Is it giving Hyd income to telangana? Is it by starting new govt. with 20K cr budget deficit? Please let me know how your smart brain thinks in this regard.
Ans to your questions: By being a loser as we were in the first place since 60 yrs with this fraud movement and no idiot of seemandhra opening their mouth. We seemandhra beggars don't deserve a crap in anything. We can do movies,serials,danceshows and take care of the deficit. When Naizam was doing such a big fraud movt, these beggars of seemandhra were watching modern mahalakshmi, wow3, ali369, legend, pokiri and the best pastime of students f seemandhra is watching po-rn and mbating, while their counterparts in Naizam were changing their history in osmania and kakatiya.
In otherwards, you don't have answers but don't mind critising others with some unrelated issues. What watching TV/cinema got to do with AP division? Not only SA but also T watches TV and cinemas so you argument in this regard make no sense.
Naizam T watches TV and Cinema but they do other stuff as well — such as spewing venom and lies about seemandhra. But seemandhra does only one thing watch movies and mbate their whole life. Thank God, I was not raised in that hell called seemandhra.
You see agitations for Kashmir self rule but you don't see any agitations in rest of India countering it, which is a common phenamena. The rest in your comment is probably applicable to you, which are you associating with others just like Jaundice eyes see everything in yellow.
What are you writing fellow kashmir self rule and your face. Don't make sense, get out of here and lick the t-azz.
VK, I had to write a personal comment because you wrote, "probably applicable to you". Please do not make personal comments and not make others do it. I am blaming my own people (my relatives and seemandhra people and even t people all alike and you make personal comments).
And if I was commenting about an unrelated issue, why are you wasting your time talking to me. See look at yourself, that is the difference between a seemandhra guy like you and a t-monster educated in osmania.
@K.M.
"The one and only reason Naidu won is PAWAN KALYAN.(27% Kapus) and 80% fans. Otherwise the uneducated fools of Seemandhra would have voted completely to either Congress or YSR party."
I agree we barely dodged the bullet. Except for the gimmicks played by TDP using Pawan Kalyan (who forms a political party and do not want to contest elections), we would have had Jagan as the first CM of new AP. Many times in elections the choices are not clear between the candidates. But in the recently concluded SA election the choice was very clear between Naidu and Jagan. But like you King Maker rightly observed people have to be lured and enticed by idiot movie stars to get the political message across.
The hatred spewed during the T-movement on other Telugus is inexcusable. In the same way the Andhras’ inaction in countering it is unimaginable. I was under the impression that Andhras have a lot of pourusham, and will not let others get away with such sloppy talk and behavior. Whatever fight that was offered on behalf of SA region is by the one who is technically a Telanganite, Mr. Charkravarti of this blog.
"BTW The only biatch that got complete justice is Ramulamma Vijayashanthi, she did so much for the fraud movt, she even sold her birth right from Rajhamundry. . . . . "
Very well said.
Another person justice was meted out to is the megastar. He played a role in YSR coming to power last time around by splitting TDP vote. To balance out what he did, his brother Pawan split congress and YSRCP votes in this election to enable victory for TDP.
Thank you P.Rao Sir.
One point though, you said, "But like you King Maker rightly observed people have to be lured and enticed by idiot movie stars to get the political message across.'.
Only the immature, uneducated, unworldly idiots of seemandhra need to be lured and enticed by idiot movie stars.Thus TDP won.
Not the people of naizam. naizam people need to be lured by jealous thugs from universities. Thus TRS won.
We are on the same page. Some self analysis is healthy.
Adilabad Godam Nagesh TRS Caste:ST, Once TDP, Festival:Tribal Sammakka-Medaram, Mother Tongue: Gond, not Telugu
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Peddapalle Balka Suman TRS Case:SC, Festival:None though follows Bonalu of Ranga Reddy Dist, Language
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Karimnagar Vinod Kumar Boinapally TRS Caste:Velama from Coastal Andhra, settled 120 yrs back.
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Nizamabad Kavitha TRS Caste:Velama settler from Coastal Andhra, settled during Andhra Mahasabha times to help Telangana people fight the reddy doras and nizam.
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Zahirabad B B Patil TRS Caste: Mother Tongue: Marathi of Maharashtra
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Medak K Chandrasekhar Rao Caste:Velama settler from Coastal Andhra, settled during Andhra Mahasabha times to help Naizam people fight the reddy doras and nizam.
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Malkajgiri Ch Malla Reddy TDP Caste:Reddy
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Secunderabad Bandaru Dattatreya BJP Caste:BC, Once close friend of Naidu
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Hyderabad Asaduddin Owaisi AIMIM Caste:Arab Muslim, direct descendant of Razakars who loved Naizam Telugu people and uplifted the Naizam Telugu language Mother Tongue: Urdu, just as of other Naizam people until Semmandhra people occupied Naizam region.
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Chevella Konda Vishweshwar Reddy TRS Caste:Reddy
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Mahbubnagar Ap Jithender Reddy TRS Caste:Reddy
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Nagarkurnool Yellaiah Nandi CONG Affiliation: Osmania University
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Nalgonda Gutha Sukendar Reddy CONG Caste:Reddy
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Bhongir Dr Boora Narsaiah Goud TRS Caste:Goud
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Warangal Kadiyam Srihari TRS Caste:SC, Festival:None, celebrates North-Indian Holi, Once general sec of TDP and close friend of Naidu, Affiliation-Education: BSc-Warangal.MSc-Osmania University
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Mahabubabad Prof Azmeera Seetaram Naik TRS Caste:ST Naik, Mother Tongue:Marathi — old settler from Hyderabad state times,
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Khammam Ponguleti Srinivasa Reddy Leads YSRC Caste:Reddy,originally seemandhra Reddy
Those are MP candidates who won from Naizam region.
@Prakash
Nice demographic information on the recently elected MPs from Naizam.
"Medak: K Chandrasekhar Rao, Caste: Velama settler from Coastal Andhra, settled during Andhra Mahasabha times to help Naizam people fight the reddy doras and nizam."
The information I read was that KCR forefathers migrated to Naizam to help fight for the Nizam not to fight against Nizam. They were protectors of Nizam rule. That is why your hear KCR stating Nizam's rule is golden age in Deccan. Others can comment if this understanding is incorrect.
Regarding having a different mother tongue, I am sure they are all conversant in Telugu, except Mr. Owaisi who does not seem to know a single word of Telugu.
Malla Reddy from Malkajgiri is originally a seemandhra settler from Rayalaseema.
I meant "Settler". Like the the old hyderabadstate-karnataka settlers in Bangalore and old hyderabadstate-maharashtra settlers in Bombay. Not the "Natives" or "Locals" such as KCR, Kavitha, BB Patil, AS Naik, Asad Owaisi.
Thanks Prakash. Here is my analysis of another list.
Here is the list of Non-"Settlers" who contested for Adilabad Loksabha contituency.
Andhra Pradesh – Adilabad — MP candidates for Lokshabha
Result Declared
Candidate Party Votes
GODAM NAGESH Telangana Rashtra Samithi 430847 Mother Tongue: Gond
NARESH JADHAV Indian National Congress 259557 Mother Tongue: Marathi
RAMESH RATHOD Telugu Desam 184198 Mother Tongue: Marathi
RATHOD SADASHIV Bahujan Samaj Party 94420 Mother Tongue: Marathi
NETHAWATH RAMDAS Independent 41032 Mother Tongue: Marathi
MOSALI CHINNAIAH Independent 8859
PAWAR KRISHNA Independent 5055 Mother Tongue: Marathi
BANKA SAHADEV Independent 4787 Mother Tongue: Marathi
None of the Above None of the Above 17084
Now the question that arises is how many "Naizam Telangana Language" Mother Tongue MP candidates are in the bordering Nanded, Yavatmal, Chandrapur and Gadchiroli districts of Maharashtra. Simple Answer: None.
I am calling it Naizam Telangana Language because the Naizam Telangana people who belong to the fraud movt said their's is not telugu but they have their own language. Now don't say otherwise.
The Nizam T fellows say their culture is so different from the culture of Nellore or Srikakulam or Anantapur or Guntur. Is the culture of Adilabad same as that of Khammam or Mahabubnagar? They will say YES. That is called Fraud T agitation.
TRS manifesto has special gifts for journalists, professors and reporters of Naizam who spread lies and hatred for the World's biggest lie, the the Telangana sentiment. These are the main cause of separate state.
Do you know if TDP manifesto has special gifts for Tollywood actors for their special contribution to the TDP coming to power in seemandhra. and for being the main cause of Seemandhra losing the battle with naizam.
Now this is for the beggars who want the state to be united even after so much rubbish was thrown on seemandhra people and after 60yrs of destruction of seemandhra.
If the Supreme court reverts and if jealous Naizam is again integrated with andhra, then TRS-YSRCP-Congress-CPI-MIM-BSP will come to power. It will be either KCR or Jagan that will become the Chief Minister of AP. Do you want that to happen?
Andhra Pradesh Result Status
Status Known For 294 out of 294 Constituencies
Party
Won
Leading
Total
Bahujan Samaj Party
2
0
2
Bharatiya Janata Party
9
0
9
Communist Party of India
1
0
1
Communist Party of India (Marxist)
1
0
1
Indian National Congress
20
1
21
Telangana Rashtra Samithi
63
0
63
Telugu Desam
117
0
117
All India Majlis-E-Ittehadul Muslimeen
7
0
7
Navodyam Party
1
0
1
Yuvajana Sramika Rythu Congress Party
70
0
70
Independent
2
0
2
Total
293
1
294
Andhra Pradesh Result Status
Status Known For 294 out of 294 Constituencies
Party
Won
Leading
Total
Bahujan Samaj Party
2
0
2
Bharatiya Janata Party
9
0
9
Communist Party of India
1
0
1
Communist Party of India (Marxist)
1
0
1
Indian National Congress
20
1
21
Telangana Rashtra Samithi
63
0
63
Telugu Desam
117
0
117
All India Majlis-E-Ittehadul Muslimeen
7
0
7
Navodyam Party
1
0
1
Yuvajana Sramika Rythu Congress Party
70
0
70
Independent
2
0
2
Total
293
1
294