Given that there are some questions on this blog regarding discrimination in university funding, I am posting the data I got back from the government "as-is". I will leave the interpretation of data up to bloggers (who off-late are doing a far better job than I can, in unearthing relevant material). If I manage to do a more comprehensive analysis, I will update this post with my take on the issue.
I got this data from A.P. State Council of Higher Education based on my RTI request response# APSCHE-312/DT/RTI/JD/2009. I got this a few months ago, but did not publish it, as I felt it needed more analysis. My understanding is that universities, in addition to the "block grants" that APSCHE provides, have other sources of funds (such as the UGC grants). Without that information it is hard to gauge the exact funding situation of the universities.
I also have questions about the budget in 2008-09. Universities have a fairly fixed budget. They have to pay the professors and staff no matter what. They couldn't survive if their budget is cut in half, as it appears to have happened at OU and AU in 2008-09. I needed more clarification on what happened that year, and it is not easy to get that clarity, without having someone circling government offices or tapping contacts. On that note, I am looking to hire a couple of part-time researchers to help me dig up some of the data that we need to answer separatist allegations. If you know any social sciences PhD students, living in Hyderabad, that would like some part-time work, please let me know. I've been looking for researchers for a couple of months and I haven't had much luck. Right candidates have the opportunity to start working right away, they will be paid market salary, and will have an office to work out of.
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Nalamotu Chakravarthy
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Nellutla,
This is an interesting topic and I would be really intersted to write more on this.
I am open to any impassionate discussion.
The past Rulers were Fuedal and we cannot expect more from them.
So you grant certain priveleges to the Feudal system.
To the extent of committing atrocities of muder and rape on thier own subjects.
How could subjects of Hyderabad tolerate for 4 centuries?
Now the sytem we have is Democratic and our preamble talks about socialism. How could we tolerate being cheated?
Yes we are democratic for 60 years now. But how much democratic we are?
A party that get 1/4 of seats claims mandate for a single lady. We keep quiet. Is this democracy?
What do you expect from 9 year old (by 1956) democracy?
Why 4 year old democracy of Hyderabad state voted for merger?
Why 20 year (1971) old democracy cheated its own people?
Does democracy grant anybody the right of demanding justice on baseless accusations?
Does socialism gaurantee finer balances among various sections and regions?
Who were part of this 60 year old democracy in Telangana? Americans or Ethopians?
What are hundreds of MPs and MLAs from the region are doing in democracy?
Were they elected democratically by Telangana votes or appointed by Kosta+Seema politicians?
We need to understand how the Rich industrialists and their political friends joined their ugly hands thinking devilish stagnated the Rural masses.
These brute forces needed Telangana to Exploit and Seema Andhra to Garner political support
What the hell the elected members of rural areas doing? Drawing lakhs of rupees salary, same as those of urban members.
If Rich industrialists are not welcome, one should fight them, like Sompet. Why fight with judges, teachers, politicians?
Is Kosta+Seema are the only ones colluding with Rich industrialists? Telangana politicians innocent?
I would rather blame the present day forces compared to the fuedal lords as they are thrusting destruction in the name of Democracy
I see more of Special Exploitation zones Rather than Special economic zones.
Are these happening only in Telangana? And by Kosta+Seema people?
BTW, you did not answer my question on two important features of oppresion.
Are these happening only in Telangana? And by Kosta+Seema people?
–>I think so. Please check out APIIC website for all the locations and beneficieries of SEZs.
—>Look at all the babus(bureacrats) and politicians invovled in these dealings.
I request Mr. Nallamotu to post the data available on the APIIC.IN website so we can try and analyze and bring things to light….
Good. You think so but you want Nallamotu publish tha data.
Then you can dismiss it lies and wrong data.
It is so plain. Is it not?
Well, your tone seem to be intended to pick up a fight not with any intention of reconciliation?
I can also place the data here if I am allowed to start a new blog thread. It is all public information. Just go look at the opportunities section in the APIIC.IN website, you will see the complete list of of sites along with the companies that are assigned.
>> Please check out APIIC website for all the locations and beneficieries of SEZs.
GK, u seems to have analyzed the data and came to a conclusion. y dont u put the data in a comment instead of wasting nalamotu’s time for a seperate post? so far we have only parallel media investigation. n u r gonna start blog investigation.
btw.. ultimately what u want to say is Wipro, Infosys, Rajeha, TCS, cognizant, Sanghi, DLF, neogen, Vivo Biotech, Brandix, L&T, Godrez, CMC, Genpact, TATAs, Parry, Apache, kenexa, TSI ventures, Mindspace are all owned by andhra?
You want to start a blog you can do ASAP. Go to blogspot.com and regsiter for free blog and post that link here. We shall discuss there.
BTW, what is the reconciliation and with whom?
Quick questions to you
1. APIIC handles SEZs in AP only. What about SEZs in other states? Is Reliance SEZ in AP or UP?
2. Is Kakinada in Telangana?
I know I can start a blog somewhere else. Isn't it the purpose of this blog here to discuss the disparities between andhra and telangana? or is it just the andhra guys beating the drums?
My point of reconciliation is that just like edu we should also discuss all the apiic/sez allocations based development. The idea is to bring everything out so common people do not have no more unknown things to blame each other. If you think that you are doing this blog to prove one is a winner and the other is a loser that you will not gain the objective of keeping the state united!
I know you want to show that you are on the right side by just showing frustration…I am not sure in such enormous issues you will blanket clean chit.
Please think beyond Telangana and see http://www.sezindia.nic.in/index.asp
for SEZs in India.
@ Venu and AMRAO,
For comments posted by Venu November 3, 2010 at 5:57 am & AMRAO November 3, 2010 at 6:31 am
You guys are interested in Self-Goal. When you guys want to utilize the atrocities of Razakars and blame the entire Rule from Quli Qutub to H.E.H the Nizam as the most inhuman in India, how come you want to hear the good things of Kosta-Seema Rulers and Bureaucracy?
Blaming the Nizam as most inhuman you want the sympathy factor to work your way & pose as the saviors of Telanganites life. Thus paving Way for Colonization in Hyderabad, Ranga Reddy, Medak, Warangal, Nizamabad and grab the little available resources in bits and pieces.
Colonization in Hyderabad is a different aspect but how could colonization in Warangal, Adilabad (Singareni), Nizamabad etc are justified should be explained by the Rational Thinkers.
its u who has selfish goal , in order to prove your point andhras as looters you ppl started praising nizam.
regarding nizam greatness before razakars i asked u a question before why did komaram bheem died before the formation of razakars. u did not answered that and u are talking about nizam grtness before razakars again.
So you have pages of nizam grtness to write and not any good things of merger.
Kosta & Seema are not saviours or looters of telangana. in combined state their is development or lack of development in all regions. Regional imbalances r due to historical and geographical reasons.
>> Blaming the Nizam as most inhuman you want the sympathy factor to work your way & pose as the saviors of Telanganites life.
Ravi Narayana reddy, kaloji, dasaradhi are all tried to exploit their fellow telanganites? you have reached the heights of animosity towards andhra people that whatever they do, u just oppose. It is utter disrespectful to call a democratic govt as kosta-seema rulers? It is indirectly calling the entire people of telangana shameless and no self respect who voted for the kosta-seema govt
Nellutla,
is there some problem in your reading abilities? Or interpreting abilities?
Venu menioned 'good and bad' with stress on situation 60+ years ago. Why do you want to divert by saying entire rule from QQS to HEH?
Mr. Chakravarty raised a point in previous blog. KCR (and separatists) both praises Nizam as well as claims legacy of Komaram Bheem.
65 years ago If Nizam was good, why Bheem revolted?
Do you denounce Bheems revolt?
What is the issue in acknowledging the problems in Hyderabad state before liberation?
Even after liberation Nizam was not thrown out. He was accomodated politically. Even today they hold lot of wealth and of course create nuisance too.
What is the meaning of colonization outside Hyderabad? Is anybody taking away wealth from these places? Or increasing the potential by participating?
How much % of land (and resources) was aquired by KostaSeema people? Do you have any figures?
Do have any idea when did those people migrate there?
Do you know how many of Telangana politicians are descendants of migrants between 1900 and 1956?
Do you know origina of first mayor of Hyderabad coporation?
You do not know.
Your favourite separatists KCR does not reveal his ancestry. He simply says there is complete 'vamsavriksham' in my house. But never shows it.
Prabhakar garu,
I Personally feel before answering further questions on different subjects to seperatists it is better to conclude the one that they put in previously. It became a usual habit of these people to jump from one topic to another seemlessly just trying their luck on different subjects. 1st let them accept that Prof. Jayasankar, TRS and other seperatists lied and mislead people of telangana on irrigation (with catchment area card), employment (saying 2,50,000 jobs looted reported in Girglani commission), discrimination in education (with malefide literacy data) etc..
Satya gaaru,
I agree with you.
But this guy Nellutla was no way interested in discussion.
After we questionned about Girglani commission he disappeared for long.
Now joing with new set of allegation on statues and Nizam.
Prabhakar Rao says: November 3, 2010 at 9:13 am
"Magnitude, yes. intent, no. Just as beuty is in the eyes of the beholder, magnitude is as perceived by the "aggrieved". your own on Oct 5th."
Hats off to your memory. If I remember right this was about alleged violations. The principle is the same for slurs irrespective of intent. Some choose to "take it lightly" while others don't.
Prakash gaaru,
can we say that some "aggrieved" can choose to or made to perceive more than the actual, while others 'take it light'?
Of course! We need to define the threshholds for magnitude of grievance beyond which one should receive justice .:)
I heard US courts grant compensations based on amount suffering. Maybe we should barrow from the.
Chakravarthy says: November 2, 2010 at 11:19 pm
"People like you and I are capable of making things better. Don't give up. Let's not fight to win, but fight because it is the right thing to do"
Excellent inspirational thoughts, please accept my congratulations for the positive spirit with which you are taking up your cause.
May appear a minor point or even a "pidakala veta" but rather important in my approach:
AMRAO says: November 1, 2010 at 11:47 pm
"See the difference between appreciating an employee of the British Raj vs the British Raj itself"
satya says: November 2, 2010 at 6:04 am
The andhras are paying tributes to the engineer that constructed the barrage and changed their lives but not the british raj"
I support giving credit where due irrespective of the motives and even the person/instituition is otherwise. I do credit the Raj with building railways etc. inspite of the imperialist intent behnd it. I acknowledge CPI's role in the anti-fuedal rebellion of 3 andhra districts while opposing their activities in the aftermath of police action. I credit Hitler for his role in building the autobahns while condemning the holocaust.
Definitely a minor point: Sir Arthur, not Sir Cotton
Prakaash garu, let me not bother to whom he is giving credit forr the goods in nizam rule. It is his forefather who will hurt with his words of praise towards nizam. But at the same time he shouldn't blame that govt (andhra) didn't credit to mokshagundam, komaram etc..? it is childish.
Prabhakar Rao says: November 3, 2010 at 12:32 pm
"Mr. Chakravarty raised a point in previous blog. KCR (and separatists) both praises Nizam as well as claims legacy of Komaram Bheem.
65 years ago If Nizam was good, why Bheem revolted?
Do you denounce Bheems revolt?"
While we wait for Nellutla's answer but here is mine. I acknowledge all good deeds without demonizing or idolizing. If the Asafjahis did something that was beneficial, it can not be swept aside just because of the many negative aspects.
Please see excerpt from Prakash says: November 2, 2010 at 7:53 am addressed to Nellutla
"When you say "good deeds of Nizam", do you mean "a few good deeds of the Asafjahis amidst the on-going tyranny"? If yes, I broadly agree"
Rhetoric of this nature is counter productive because the "opposing side" can use the same logic (e.g. Sundarayya vs. Prakasam)
Prakash gaaru,
I agree it is Rhetoric. But unfortunately I had to bring it again as Nellutla simply jumping everything and making sweeping statements.
At least opposing sides in current context, i.e. Nizam and Bheem did not use same logic.
I will be happy if you can enlighten me on the same logic used by Nizam and Bheem.
Otherwise your analogy will be just another rhetoric.
@Prabhakar Rao, re rhetoric:
I think I could explain myself better at Prakash says:November 4, 2010 at 2:03 am
When I said "opposing side" I meant the guys on the other side of the debate who can pick similar "contradictions".
Example:
Nalamotu: how can KCR support Bheem and claim Asafjahis were benevolent at the same time?
"Opposing side" rhetoric in response: how can Nalamotu support communist violence on one side and also praise Prakasam who put down the red menace as CM? How can Nalamotu credit Indira with saving the state but support NTR who came to power criticizing her for demeaning the Telugus?
BTW I do not remember seeing Nalamotu's comment and am relying on your superior memory on this.
The original "question" and the reactionary "rejoinder" prove nothing, may not be relevant or even factual and throw up hot air instead of debate.
First of all my apologies to Chakravarty gaaru for dragging him into it.
In previous topic "Shouldnt TRS Mourn the September 17th Liberation Day?" he quesionted KCR parising Nizam.
So-called "Opposing side" rhetoric is my own and I will try to answer.
Please note the question is not about Bheem and entire Asafjahis rule.
It was about Bheem and Nizam only.
I do not want to get into further digression. I take your example as example only, no futher discussion on people in those examples.
Nothing wrong in looking at postive side of Nizam. Giving devil its due.
But either trying to project Nizam as GOOD based on some good deeds
or demanding not to brand Nizam as BAD
is no way acceptable
Most of the tales and songs from Telangana region project Nizam as villian.
Bandenaka nadi kattee… is the proof.
Bheem faught Nizam for people of Telangana.
Any praise of Nizam without Bheems mention is not acceptable.
Like NTR dialog popular adiyunu nee pati praanambu dakka.
(I am sounding just like any TRS worker demanding CBN to submit report to SKC. Is it not? :-))
You read Mahabharatam and character of Duryodhana.
He was jealous of Pandavas. No writer presented him as a Prince with anti-people policies.
Nor as a womanizer. Nor as a drunkard or anyother vyasanam.
Further all those kings faught on his side were also not bad.
Yet Duryodhana is known as bad.
(Of course, NTR thought other way and called it character assasination)
Prabhakar Rao says:
November 4, 2010 at 2:21 pm
First of all my apologies to Chakravarty gaaru for dragging him into it.
If he is not here then you need to drag him.
It was about Bheem and Nizam only.
Nijam Endhi cheppali, which NIZAM please let us know out of NIZAM I to VII. I am happy atleast you have modified your allegations to 1/7th.
Nellutla,
boo! you scared me with such a quick reentry. I thought you will be back for Samkranti.
Good RANDHRANVESHANA.
You have conveniently skipped all discussions on jobs, water etc. Now shooting over shoulders of the statues.
We will certainely discuss Nizams number, if you really do not know which Nizam Bheem faught against.
But first clarify your stand on claims of expliotations in water, jobs and school education.
@Prabhakar,
I sent one more reply before this. Probably the moderator is working on the technical glitches. Lets wait for some more time.
If any one interested go through the discussion about merger.
http://ourtelangana.com/content/was-merger-forced
Prabhakar Rao says:
November 4, 2010 at 3:04 am
Please think beyond Telangana and see http://www.sezindia.nic.in/index.asp
for SEZs in India.
Sometimes I wonder why these types of responses are given when the opposite person expects a straight answer to the queries they have. You would like to keep our mouth shut comparing Telangana to the Poverty in Bihar or somewhere in Somalia, calling us Taliban’s or Mao’s finally expecting us to yield to your tactics.
Personally I would confine myself in analyzing the things going around in Andhra Pradesh and pretty sure Telangana success would be a Role model for others in the future days to come.
satya says:
November 3, 2010 at 2:35 pm
Prabhakar garu,
I Personally feel before answering further questions on different subjects to seperatists it is better to conclude the one that they put in previously. It became a usual habit of these people to jump from one topic to another seemlessly just trying their luck on different subjects
The subject Started by Mr. Nalamotu was Education Data, and if you see it was initially Mr Venu who jumped and leaped with lot of interest to discuss about irreverent Renaming of Lalita Kala toranam. At least I did not have objection and I do not know why you are bent on making this an issue out of this. Others would follow the suit.
Prabhakar Rao says:
November 3, 2010 at 12:32 pm
What is the meaning of colonization outside Hyderabad? Is anybody taking away wealth from these places? Or increasing the potential by participating?
Hyderabad is also colonized but I do not want to go deep as you would start saying that it is common capital etc. Now about Colonization in the districts of Warangal, Khammam, Nizamabad, Karimnagar, Adilabad, Medak, Ranga Reddy, Mahabubnagar, Medak where you would see Andhra Pallelu Coming up if small amounts of resources are available that can garner their abilities to exploit.
Lastly, think over the bombastic utterance of Sir William Joynson-Hicks, now
Lord Brentford (quoted in the Daily News, 17 October, 1925).
“We did not conquer India for the benefit of the Indians. I know it is said at
Missionary meetings that we conquered India to raise the level of the Indians. We conquered India as the outlet for the goods of Great Britain. We
conquered India by the sword, and by the sword we should hold it. (Shame.) Call it
shame if you like. I am stating facts. I am interested in missionary work in India,and have done much work of that kind, but I am not such a hypocrite as to say that we hold India for the Indians. We hold it as the finest outlet for British goods in general, and for Lancashire cotton goods in particular.”
When you add to this the influence of the English families who look to the Indian
civil and military services to provide posts for their sons, it is easy enough to
understand why a capitalist British Government does not want to lose India.
Prabhakar Rao says:
Your favourite separatists KCR does not reveal his ancestry. He simply says there is complete ‘vamsavriksham’ in my house. But never shows it.
That is not a matter of concern for me. I am ready to salute Kaloji, P Sundarayya, Bala Gopal or even you if there lies rationality in thinking.
I am against those who proclaim themselves belonging to the region and work against its aspirations for their own good.
Prabhakar Rao says:
November 3, 2010 at 3:31 pm
Satya gaaru,
I agree with you.
But this guy Nellutla was no way interested in discussion.
After we questioned about Girglani commission he disappeared for long.
Now joing with new set of allegation on statues and Nizam.
Sorry I do not have magical powers to Disappear. I had Time constraints. Well the best answer I Could give to your analysis “That’s interesting.”
Girglani commission Report came out and the Government agreed on the flaws but never took the pain to implement it in its true spirit. I need not elaborate on it. The demands of Telanganites in this aspect and false promises of Andhra Pradesh Government time and again speaks of the laurels you are talking of.
Prabhakar Rao says: November 3, 2010 at 12:32 pm
“Mr. Chakravarty raised a point in previous blog. KCR (and separatists) both praises Nizam as well as claims legacy of Komaram Bheem.
65 years ago If Nizam was good, why Bheem revolted?
Do you denounce Bheems revolt?”
Thanks to Mr.Prakash for good response.
Mr.Prabhakar, you actually asked the right question but choosing Nizam & komaram bheem was wrong.
In the above example we praise Nizam and claim the legacy of Komaram bheem much similar to claiming the legacy of Bhagat singh and praising British for the Educational system, Railways, Modern Irrigational techniques etc developed. At the same time we blame Nizam for the atrocities caused on the people similar to what the British caused on India (that includes attrocies on Andhra) by their taxation, Dopidi and what not.
You should be asking this person how he claims the legacy while he has overthrown his Father-in-law.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZmnFXHU2dqo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=25jUEQ7CUWM
>> Personally I would confine myself in analyzing the things going around in Andhra Pradesh and pretty sure Telangana success would be a Role model for others in the future days to come.
I appreciate that you are confined to only Andhra Pradesh. Now it is better when u r talking on any subject (calling discrimination towards telangana), you better need to u think how the rest of AP is doing.
For eg. when u say telangana lands (infact, hyd) are giving away by govt, u need to remember 20000 acres of fertile lands are given to vanpik in chirala, 50000 acres have given to brahmani in kadapa, also planned morethan 5 lakh acres in the name of coastal corridor. We need to collectively fight against such corruption than viewing thru the eyes of regionalism.
similarly, when u compare block grants to universities, earlier u ppl write telangana university-16 cr, yogi vemana 230 cr. And u wont talk about the rest of the new universities in costa, telangana and rayalaseema itself. Luckily this post cleared it.
similarly fluroide problem in nalgonda.. The most contaminated fluride effected dist is prakasam. and there are many dists in all 3 regions which are affected by it. Infact, the fluride problem in nalgonda is almost came to zero because of foucs it was given in local and intl media or partially coz of T- agitation. but no one bothers prakasam dt
Similarly Group I. If there are any wrong deed in APPSC board because of corruption it effects all eligible candidates from all 3 regions. There are some candidates from telangana who are also joined thru corrupt means. calling it as andhra looters is what is not called as broadminded ness. I dont want anybody to have big heart to accept corruption. But dont confuse it with discrimination.
show ur broadminedness atleast considering entire andhra pradesh as a subject of discussion than telangana.
>> The subject Started by Mr. Nalamotu was Education Data, and if you see it was initially Mr Venu who jumped and leaped with lot of interest to discuss about irreverent Renaming of Lalita Kala toranam.
ok.. Venu will say his views (either yes / no) on this post on whether a discrimination in university funding or not. would you also say? and can u give reasons?
>> Lastly, think over the bombastic utterance of Sir William Joynson-Hicks, now
Lord Brentford (quoted in the Daily News, 17 October, 1925).
I think in the same comment, just because Prabhakar garu has given the link of SEZs in India (to observe the trend of SEZs across the country) few lines back u yelled, we are comparing telangana with bihar or somalia and trying to calm u down with our tactics. But few lines later u compared a democratic govt with that of british and people of andhra to british employees and trying to draw comparisons. In other words, u just want to replace british as Andhra and telangana as then India and trying to establish andhras are doing the same things british that time? cant u see ur hypocrisy?
>> even you if there lies rationality in thinking.
making sweeping statements like andhras colonized telangana, looted jobs, calling democratic govt as kosta-seema govt, calling police as andhra polisulu, not a single drop of water came, gentle men agreement never implemented, six-point formula never implemented, girglani never implemented.. calling blogger funded by lagadapati,
are all such sweeping statements come under rational thinking? and u r asking others for rational thinking?
>> Girglani commission Report came out and the Government agreed on the flaws but never took the pain to implement it in its true spirit. I need not elaborate on it.
) whats the committee said about deviations in zone VI (hyderabad) because of candidates from zone V? sounds bitter? looting ur own brothers in ur words.
before going into the implementation details, first have u read what the report says? first of all, is that committee meant to study only telangana or entire andhra? did the committee anywhere mention discrimination? whats the no.of deviations that the committee came up with? 2 lakhs? 3 lakhs? ( I think the numbers of 2 lakhs, 3 lakhs are from prof. Jayasankar’s one man committee
Now for implementation, the best location to check is go610.ap.gov.in
ok.. lets look at the some news items, as u have time constraints to read reports, or large data in sites.
In accordance with the GO 610, more than 3000 employees majority of whom were from police department and the rest are teachers. Nearly 2600 police constables are from the Hyderabad city and the remaining 507 employees mostly teachers. 89 constables opted for voluntary transfer.
The Hyderabad Police Commissioner Balwinder Singh confirmed the repatriation of constables said that those 150 constables who approached the AP Administrative Tribunal opposing the repatriation. He said that the department has decided to repatriate all other non locals except those who approached the Tribunal
http://www.andhranews.net/state/2007/June/30-More-than-3000-employees-native-places-GO-610.asp
//The meeting noted that 19,000 employees had been identified as non-locals in the State so far, and nearly a half of them in Police and Education Departments, and out of them 9,514 have already been repatriated.//
http://www.hindu.com/2008/09/18/stories/2008091854380400.htm
//HYDERABAD: Taking a step further towards repatriating non-local employees to their native zones, the Government announced on Monday that orders for transferring such of those already identified in line with GO 610 would be issued by the departments concerned by June 28 or 29
A decision to this effect was taken at a meeting of the Group of Ministers on GO 610 held here with Chief Minister Y. S. Rajasekhara Reddy in the chair. It was resolved at the meeting that once the orders were issued, the employees would be transferred without fail whether they were willing or not. Ministers D. Srinivas (Higher Education), K. Jana Reddy (Home), K. Ranga Rao (Municipal Administration) and J. C. Diwakar Reddy (Panchayat Raj) and Chief Secretary J. Harinarayan, and other senior officials attended the meeting.
Speaking to reporters later, Mr Srinivas said supernumerary posts would be created, if necessary, to accommodate the transferred staff in their native zones. He said a deadline could not be fixed for repatriation as the identification of non-locals was a long-drawn process requiring time.//
http://www.hindu.com/2007/06/26/stories/2007062659080100.htm
There are certain issues regarding the repatriation as employees (of all regions) approaching court or tribunal to get stay orders.
Telangana teachers sore over G.O. 610
HYDERABAD: The Government’s plans to implement the G.O. 610 and transfer the non-locals to their respective areas seems to be running into trouble with every teacher transferred moving the courts and getting a stay order.
Teachers are questioning the procedure adopted for transfers that has affected more teachers in the Telangana area than those from Andhra or Rayalseema area whose transfer the Telangana activists have been demanding for. In the list of teachers identified as non-locals in Hyderabad district nearly 80 per cent of them belong to Telangana districts. Similar is the case with Ranga Reddy district.
>> You should be asking this person how he claims the legacy while he has overthrown his Father-in-law.
The telangana people had more belief in that person than KaChaRa and given 39 seats as against TRS which got hardly 10 seats. and no representation from 6 dists. btw.. what u call having an alliance before the election and joining the opposite alliance even before the results are announced?
Mr. Nellulta,
as Satya suggested I stop deviation from main points here.
I will certainly comeback and reply to this post at appropriate time. You can celebrate winning the argument, if you feel it fit.
One point I want to address is Girglani commission. Coz it was part of original discussion.
We know both the facts that Girglani report is out and no action taken.
But our question is on the magic number of 2.5 lakh jobs looted by Seem+Kosta.
Also note that our discussion was not based on our views and opinions. We are discussing the propaganda by TRS and Prof. Jayashankar. Mr. Chakravarty and others have produced these from originals.
Now you can respond to this specific point by
1. No! I am not aware of such allegation
2. No! TRS and Jayashankar did not make such allegation
3. Yes! I know it but I cannot say anything
4. Yes! I know it but I reject it
5. I know it, I approve it and HERE IS THE PROOF
(I open to any other combination to settle this point once for all)
Every debate cannot go on indefintely without agreeing/disagreeing on specific point.
You may feel admitting this fact makes you vulnerable on other points.
I assure you from my side that there will be no such fall out and there will be fair discussion on other points.
– The subject Started by Mr. Nalamotu was Education Data, and if you see it was initially Mr Venu who jumped and leaped with lot of interest to discuss about irreverent Renaming of Lalita Kala toranam.
i did not jumped , it was me who started it and i am stick to it than leaving it and jumping to other topic.
"Blaming the Nizam as most inhuman you want the sympathy factor to work your way & pose as the saviors of Telanganites life."
Hey your forefathers were probably feudal beneficiaries of Nizam like KaChaRa and his retinue.
It has become a fashion of every Tom,Dick and Harry to sing eulogies of Nizam. If Nizam was so good why are you railing at others.IF you are keen to know to what extent he looted Hyderabad and Telangana I strongly advise you to read the book The Last Nizam written by John Zubrzycki . The guy used to keep caches of gold bricks (the wealth looted from poor peasants) in wagons in King Koti and sold them in the West.When you are in Hyderabad please go on a field trip to King Koti,Falaknuma and recount the sufferings the people have faced.
Colonization,my foot.Hyderabad is not a Switzerland or Singapore not Seemandhra is Ethopia or Eritrea.
It was a tottering city that was brought again to existence by formation of Andhra Pradesh.The socalled Netas at that time groveled at the feet of Seemandhra's to have capital in Hyderabad rather than in Bellary.
As a proud Hyderabadi I take pride in the Bindaas life of Hyderabad,let's not vitiate it.
Dil kaa musafiron kaa ek mohabaat kaa manzil, hamara Shahar. Shumal aur Junoob tehzeeb kaa aali shaan milan ish Nagar.
Personally, I am not too sure if I want to engage a person who has said Warangal, etc… are colonized, in to a meaningful discussion. I think it would be a futile effort and going no where.
As God Father famously said, one can not reason with him no more.
@GK,
I guess the idea seems to be to throw a wild allegation and expect the other party to prove that it is wrong. The party making the allegation has no responsibility of substantiating the accusation.
I agree. This model has been working.
@AMRao garu, you put it in the best way reg. the attitude of seperatists
Happy Diwali to all Andhras
Let us hope that the crisis faced by Andhras this diwali will be over by next Diwali and will usher in the golden age for andhras once again. Let us hope that we loose this baggage called telangana and show our true potential to the entire world.
Aryans could not destroy the andhra identity , Muslim invaders could not , nor will modern day telanganas backed by Indian rulers.
Long live Telugu Thalli ,long live Andhras
Happy Diwali to you!
I would like to gently remind you that the word Andhra includes people of Telangana, Rayala Seema and Coastal districts. No matter what a few people on either side think and propagate, history tells us that their roots are the same.
I do believe that most people who visit this site subscribe to this idea and nothing else.
AMRAO gaaru ,
What you said is correct , our correct . Our roots may be same but the reality today is majority of TG people do not identify themselves as being andhras. Then what is the point of insisting that they are also andhras.
It is like India insisting that Kashmiri's are Indians when very few kashmiris think of themselves as Indians .
I dont wish for bad things to TG people , my primary concern is about people who still call themselves as Andhras. Coastal ,seema lost out in united AP. We were made to accept we had no right to work in our own capital. Is there more humilation than that ?
Even today labourers, white collar workers have to migrate to Hyd ,Bang,Chennai . Why cant Seema or coastal have such cities. 50 years of our taxes were lost in TG regions primarlily going into Hyd .
Suppose United Andhra prevails , what do coastal & seema people get. We have to accept we have no right to work in our own capital even though we our tax money goes there. Cities in coastal & seema will never develop. We have to fund uneconomical lift irrigation projects in TG .Come on ,we dont have power to run even services industries , how can we power lift projects. But we have to do it to satisfy TG people & leaders egoes so that state can remain united.
We Andhras dont want this tag of oppressors. We should let TG people go.
Andhra,
there is no problem in letting go. In the backdrop of so many allegations, it will amount to admitting them.
Before division, separatists have to prove them. If not proven interests of other regions in the fields of economy, education and water must be protected appropriately.
"If not proven interests of other regions in the fields of economy, education and water must be protected appropriately "
It is the duty of central government to make sure that the interests of coastal & seema are to be protected appropriately . If this country doesnt ensure that ,well then it wont be the first time that this country gave a raw deal to andhras.
I do not trust present central govt. It is in utter chaos. It will shock us anytime with mad decisions.
Another important matter is these wild allegations by a few handful of separatists will leave huge mistrust between people of all regions.
GK,
Mr. Chakravarty started this blog to reject accusations based on assumptions and wrong inputs.
You are doing exactly the same making assumption based on little interaction we had.
If you have patiance pl. go back and read my stand on the situation. Also most of the regular participants have already expressed their stand.
Please come back and tell me how much you are correct in assessing me.
>> Isn't it the purpose of this blog here to discuss the disparities between andhra and telangana?
@GK,
Certainly. But prior to that would you agree there are no discriminations in those areas that we discussed here previously, like irrigation, education, jobs etc? and would u accept that prof. jayasankar and TRS lied on these?
just going to different topic when the present one is not giving u merit is what I am worried of. Because Nalamotu as an individual took lot of pain (whether u accept or not) in bringing out the truth behind the allegations. Its not so easy for common man, who has no connection with govt. so its better to acknowledge his work in a accept or differ manner. I wish you ppl to do so pl.
For certain Concerns and apprehensions expressed by Mr. Prabhakar, I would surely dig more into the subject but meanwhile I wanted to share some wonderful write ups along these lines. Look at these at your leisure and could build conclusions at your will.
http://myteluguflowers.wordpress.com/2010/07/15/mafoi-lies-nalamoth/
http://myteluguflowers.wordpress.com/2010/07/05/who-is-at-loss-part-one/
http://myteluguflowers.wordpress.com/2010/07/06/who-is-at-loss-part-two/
http://myteluguflowers.wordpress.com/2010/06/28/intro/
http://myteluguflowers.wordpress.com/2010/06/29/adusumilli-nalamothu-nexus/
http://myteluguflowers.wordpress.com/2010/07/05/my-telugu-roots-translation/
After reading through these let me know if you still need my answers. I can send few more responses written by fellow Telanganites. I am just these links & trying to save my time. I can send you responses for the basic questions that have been raised TIme and again but look like you never understood.
If you are still unhappy then I would take pain to write my responses too.
There is no point booing on me and if it brings pleasure I am fine with it.
The Agitation has gone way ahead and still fighting about Girglani commission report etc does not make sense.
The way you insist on getting the statistics make me really Laugh out Very Loud. The Government itself does not have any Transparency in coming out openly with its explanation for the allegations.
Telangana demand is not new. I would like to ask you, what you or the so called Gobles of unity were doing when TRS or the respected Professors started give lectures on the necessity of Telangana becoming a Reality for the past decade.
Don't you know that Telangana movement was slowly taking momentum with the passage of time?
Why did you not raise your voice against YSR or CBN for getting associated with TRS? Instead the Gobles of Unity gave mandate to them.
If a question comes up as why people did not vote for TRS earlier, then you need to answer what the implications of thumping victory recently.
In any popular movement, People would come together only on few occasions. Even though people are patriotic they come together to wage war only on few occasions. If you deny this, kindly explain why India got independence only in 1947 and why not in 1847 & lot before that? Does it mean that British had the support of Indian population then and our ancestors accepted the British?
For me I do not have any personal grudge on People from Andhra. I am against the Rich class and greedy class that are exploiting the Telangana Region. If you are one among them then you could react strongly otherwise ignore it
Wonderful Writeups? Laugh out Loud Nellutla at your links. I pity u, as u r running here and there to come up with new allegations or to malign the blogger or something new when the other party has given the reports of committee that u guys loudly talk about.
The Guy whose blog links you have given also started with enthu (in telugu: peekesta, podichesta) to take on nalamotu garu. He wrote in his blog he will earth out the lies of nalamotu once he got nalamotu’s book and all. Initially like many he tried to abuse nalamotu in person about his telugu, or no.of copies that his book sold etc.. usual tactics of seperatists.
The last post he wrote is on Aug 4, when he got the book. Later he is still digging to find the lies in nalamotu’s book. LOL. To your dismay, check the comments in different blog of the same guy. http://hridayam.wordpress.com/2010/08/02/book-release/
That guy in his august 4th post of blog “myteluguflowers” wrote “Just thought of telling you guys that with much difficulty (and about 60 days of waiting), I finally managed to procure (Read “Buy”) Nalamotu’s “My Telugu Roots” from the US of A………. So, now that I have the book in my hands, we will talk mostly about the book in future posts.. Funnily there are no future posts in that blog.
In his other blog on Aug 2nd he almost declared “ఆయన రాసిన పుస్తకంలో అనేక తప్పులు, అబద్ధాలు ఉన్న మాట వాస్తవం. కాని ఇలా పుస్తకాల ను అడ్డుకోవడం సమర్ధనీయం కాదు.”. Without even getting the book. why he didn’t write a single post after that when he already discovered the lies and mistakes in that book? You are calling suchthings as wonderful writeups?
>> I am just these links & trying to save my time.
Its not saving ur time, u r trying to save ur face when u cant get into a serious discussion but still hanging on what u said is true.
>> The Agitation has gone way ahead and still fighting about Girglani commission report etc does not make sense.
Lol. This shows how u r running away when asked to prove the allegations. Exactly how AMRAO garu said couple of comments back. . u dont want the discussion but u want to conclude allegations are true and discussing it is of no use. rational thinking? eh? Shame.
>> The way you insist on getting the statistics make me really Laugh out Very Loud.
Because u guys never bother about talking on statistics,
>> The Government itself does not have any Transparency in coming out openly with its explanation for the allegations.
1st let the telangana ministers in congress, TDP and TRS come up openly what discrimination they showed towards their region to benifit the other region and let them admit that they discriminated towards telangana.
Nellutla,
For certain Concerns and apprehensions expressed by Mr. Prabhakar.
I did not raise any concerns or apprehensions. I raised only questions.
The Agitation has gone way ahead and still fighting about Girglani commission report etc does not make sense
Does agitating make sense even after central government awarded separate state. One would certainely laugh at inability to carry your prize from stadium to home.
You remind me a joke on BIGBANG theory.
"So sir, you say that first there was nothing. Then this BIGBANG heppend and everything created!".
Now that movement in advanced stage you do not want to discuss Girglani commission but worried about statues, rather abscence, of Bheem, MV etc.
Do not contradict yourself so regularly thus making yourself a laughing stock.
You are occassional popper so please do not lecture me on the rest.
Our discussion here is on validating allegations that were BASED ON NUMBERS. HUGE NUMBERS to astonish the reader vammo inta dopidinaa!.
If you have proof to support them, present it. Do not digress time and again with lack of transperancy, data published by Andhra govt. is wrong blah blah.
satya says: November 3, 2010 at 1:51 pm
"Ravi Narayana reddy, kaloji, dasaradhi are all tried to exploit their fellow telanganites?"
No they did not but they were not helpful in the crucial days either. All of them fell prey to linguistic and/or ideological forces that set back the struggle by over a decade.
Kaloji came out early but not before nationilistic forces split. Dasaradhi quit CPI after he realized the design of the reds. Ravi who started as a nationalist became so committed to communism that he even failed to prevent red sedition against independant India.
Possibly a pidakala veta but just to show even great men have feet of clay sometimes.
>> All of them fell prey to linguistic and/or ideological forces
who are the ideological forces that u refer to? do u mean that the leaders of andhra and rayalaseema started it and forced it on the T- leadership? sorry.. u r belittling the ideology and foresight of the stalwarts by using the word ‘fall prey’.
Prakash gaaru,
It is very unfortunate that people like you misuse the talent for wrong ends.
When I asked why separatists or spreading hatred, you were non-committal. Moreover you tried to project it as a strategy (of course this too not in certain terms).
Now you are quick to say 'fell pray to linguistic and/or ideological forces '.
I have a feeling that you are trapping us to pose a bad retort. I do not mind the trap and I ask
Why separatists project that Telanagans are always misled, trapped, chated by Kosta+Seema people?
Were KS born only to cheat Telangana people?
It is common knowledge that Andhra bhasha started as early as 1910.
So KS people hatched a plan then itself to expliot Telangana region 40 years later.
And pominents from Telanagana viz politicians, writers fell for that.
@Andhra, good arguments. I do have a couple of points though:
November 5, 2010 at 4:00 am
"Aryans could not destroy the andhra identit"
For curiosity, do you support the theory that Andhras are Dravidians? If yes, was it a great idea to split Dravidian unity on language?
November 5, 2010 at 10:27 am
"We were made to accept we had no right to work in our own capital"
I believe you are referring to state Govt. jobs i n Hyderabad. Unfortunately true that the politicians bargained this away to escape A/B/C camps.
Yes , I believe that Andhras were one of the Dravidian tribes.
Regarding the question of splitting " Dravidian unity" , i believe you are refering to the splitting of Madras state.
First of all there was never any dravidian unity to begin with. Through out history the dravidian tribes of andhra,tamil,kannadigas, malayalees existed as separated kingdoms except for brief times. So where does this question of dravidian unity arise ? should we have been united with tamils just because British thought it was a good administrative unit ?
Anyway , i think you missed my point . Andhras protected their identity for more than 2000 years despites all kinds of invaders. But in the last 60 years they gave up regions to karnataka , tamilnadu and now TG. At this rate there wont be any andhras left by the next 50 years. My plea is for them to protect what is left.
deccani says: November 4, 2010 at 10:43 pm
Missing your comments & shairi, have you been busy lately?
"Hey your forefathers were probably feudal beneficiaries of Nizam like KaChaRa and his retinue"
You never know who is who in this anonymity
"It was a tottering city that was brought again to existence by formation of Andhra Pradesh"
While I was not born yet, my father & his brother spoke admiringly of the city of those days.
"The socalled Netas at that time groveled at the feet of Seemandhra's to have capital in Hyderabad rather than in Bellary"
This appears rather exaggerated.Why did the andhra netas agree to GMA when the Hyderabad netas were "groveling"?
satya says: November 5, 2010 at 2:48 am
Good arguments about corruption, florosis etc. but is it not more important to fight the problems at hand?
Even if you prove florosis is more serious in Ongole district it does not help the affected in any region in any way. Perhaps the heat of the debate would abate if "integrationists" diverted some energies to building bridges by help solve problems.
Prakash garu, My point of arguement is not how to fight the problems which is a different subject. It is how we look at the problem. Our view of the problem shouldn't create a new problem which is what seperatists are doing.
Prakash says:
"Perhaps the heat of the debate would abate if "integrationists" diverted some energies to building bridges by help solve problems. "
Yes, while separatists are propagating lies and hurling disgusting abuses, the integrationists will spend their energy to build bridges, like doing more pampering for a spoiled brat. Did it ever occur to you that there are also people, humans with blood and flesh, on the other side, and they have rights too.
Prakash gaaru,
by
"integrationists" diverted some energies to building bridges by help solve problems
you are once again attempting to indict that only KS people are responsible for all problems in Telangana.
rendu chetulu kalistene chappatlu.
""It was a tottering city that was brought again to existence by formation of Andhra Pradesh"
While I was not born yet, my father & his brother spoke admiringly of the city of those days."
Usually our parents don't want their children to experience what they've faced in the period. That is their greatness. Even my parents have good things to say about British and the princely rulers. They don't want to disturb their children and imbibe hatred against the past rulers and their deeds.
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