For the education statistics I’ve published for the three regions of Coastal Andhra, Rayalaseema, and Nizam Telangana, many have claimed that the numbers are misleading. The chief claim is that the numbers include public and private education. The separatists have argued that Nizam Telangana was discriminated when it came to government expenditure on public schooling.
I have done a quick analysis on primary and high schools and the results were revealing to say the least.
The data for the below given analysis was sourced from the Statistical Abstract of Andhra Pradesh 2007. I have used 2001 population numbers to normalize student population.
Government aided schools are made up of: Central Government, State Government, Zilla Parishad, Municipal, and
Let us start our analysis with primary school students in government aided schools.
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As you can see, the numbers speak for themselves. There are more students supported by the government in the Nizam Telangana region than in the other regions. I urge my Kosta and Seema brethren to not make too much noise about it, as the difference is fairly negligible. I think the important note all of us should make is that there is no apparent discrimination across regions.
Then some have made the argument that there are fewer teachers per student in the Nizam Telangana. So, let’s look at the numbers:
The number of teachers indeed is fewer in the Nizam Telangana region. However, the difference is not significant. So, I urge my Nizam Telangana brethren to exercise restraint and wait till we get to the high school student numbers. Again, let me underscore that there is no visible discrimination between regions.
Now, let’s move on to the category of government aided High Schools:
In this category Nizam Telangana leads other regions. In fact, the numbers get better when
Now let us look at the number of teachers situation:
Again Nizam Telangana leads in the number of teachers category in all combinations. There are 12 government aided teachers for every 10000 people in Nizam, compared to 10.8 in Kosta and 10.7 in Seema.
In conclusion, the above data clearly shows that there is no evidence whatsoever of discrimination against Nizam Telangana. When the state came into existence, thanks to Nizam’s atrocious rule, education in Nizam Telangana was in shambles. We’ve made significant strides since then.
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Chakravarthy Gaaru,
Excellent statistics. Please present your case to the newly formed telangana committee.
Firstly, I would like to thank you for your efforts. There are two topics, that I would like you to write about in your blog, since you seem to have the data available with you.
1) I have heard many times that no new irrigation projects (worth mentioning) were/are constructed post 1956 in Telengana area. In spite of all the data that you presented, there are lingering questions on this topic. Can you address the issue of irrigation projects in Andhra Pradesh that were existing prior to 1956 and the ones that were constructed after 1956 in all the regions? Also, what is or was the difficulty to construct more projects on Godavari in the Telengana area.
2) The Looting (Dochukovadam) of Telengana by people from Andhra and Rayala Seema especially real estate agents and builders, industrialists, educational institutions and the movie industry.
The British looted India and took the money to Britain. I would like to ask, after looting Telengana, where did these people (above mentioned), take the money to? Did they invest it in their native places? It is pretty clear that they invested it back in Telengana. These are business people who do business wherever there are opprtunities.
a) I would like to ask my friends here if B.V. Mohan Reddy of Infotech is a looter? Why would he start his company in Hyderabad if he had felt like an outsider in the early 1990s?
b) I would like to ask if Dr. Soma Raju of Care Hospital a looter? I am not talking about the complaints on corporate hospitals.
c) Today, Rama Linga Raju is a bad man but he made Hyderabad proud by establishing Satyam in Hyderabad. Yes. His sons started real estate projects which they would have done in Bangalore, Chennai or any where any way.
d) I personally know that Devender Goud bought and sold lands in Bangalore. Does he become a Kannada looter?
Many a time, I feel coming back from the US was a big mistake. If I felt like a foreigner in the Bay Area, I feel even worse in Hyderabad. I can not answer the questions raised by my daughters as to why we moved and what we gained.
Many of friends have stopped asking me if returning to India is a good idea. This movement is certainly erasing the guilt or doubt in their minds about returning to India.
Chakravarthy Garu,
Amazing!.
Great work.
Eventhough it takes more than 6 months for the facts to sink into the minds of some misguided teachers, emoployees and students of telanagana, your unbiased book which speaks with rock solid logic is a significant development for the unity of our state.
Second thing i would like to say here is, the media in AP may not be interested in your facts.
Because , they want this problem to exist for a while, until they extract complete thing out of this.
So you may not want to get discouraged( I am sure a wise man like you would not), if the facts are not discussed in AP media.
Thank you.
Chakravarthy Garu!!
I must appreciate your efforts for answering my questions regarding the data points. But there seems to be large gap in the data you presented to the data i have got from Dept of school education, Govt of AP. The difference in the number of Govt teachers in Primary schools in andhra region is increased nearly 15000. So, is the case with telangana, where the number is increased by 6000. My point here the sources of data that u get. You analyzed the data that you got and prof Jayashankar has analyzed based on the data that i got. Hence you cant say and use words like henious, cheap etc. Jayashankar and Kodandaram are respected prof in our region. I request all the readers to go and visit the link below and check the validity of the data yourself. This from Govt of Andhra Pradesh itself.
http://aponline.gov.in/Quick%20Links/Departments/School%20Education/Directorate%20of%20School%20Education/RTI%20Act/right%20to%20information.pdf
Sampath garu- I used the statistical abstracts of 2007 and it had education data from 2005-06. Here is the analysis I did using the link you provided. I will leave the interpretation of the data up to you.
http://www.myteluguroots.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/OverallStats.JPG
Chakravarthy Garu,
My intention of putting the link, was to bring to your notice, the the data is different from different sources, hence you cannot say the analysis done my Prof jayashankar and Kodandaram are henious distortions, cheap etc. If you are to use that language against them, then you have to use the same source that they have got the data from. I think i have made my point clear.
Irrigation issues!!
I request all my brothers to watch these videos on disparities in irrigational facilities in telangana. These are facts from Retd chief engineers in irrigation of AP. one of them is consulting switzerland on irrigation. I request Mr Chakravarthy to "shatter" these facts and backup his data land brought under irrigation in telangana by stating which projects have been completed in this region. I hope chakravarthu garu "shatter" this claim by claiming completed projects in this region which could be seen by everyone.Hence these cant be denied by everyone. My friends here are the links. Please do watch these videos.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DKFLQRaM3wc&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IMpdHlJXZJ4&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BUSuN_tRybs
Failures in irrigation are not regional in nature, but are across all regions. Statistical data does not back up claims of neglect of one region at the expense of another. In fact, Seema, from where half of our state’s chief ministers hailed from, suffered more than other regions.
http://www.myteluguroots.com/chapter_19_5.html
http://www.myteluguroots.com/chapter_19_6.html
http://www.myteluguroots.com/chapter_19_7.html
http://www.myteluguroots.com/chapter_19_8.html
http://www.myteluguroots.com/chapter_19_9.html
Chakravarthy Garu,
I dont agree with your statement of saying they are in regional in nature. With respect rayalaseema, if you see the natural river water that flows in rayalaseema, to what they get, they have not been discriminated. The point that people should remember with Telangana is:
"Because, both the major rivers krishna and godavari flow through telangana, the region has the right to first utlize its share of water. This is the rule everywhere in the world". Consider this, every parent first adressess the needs of his child and then only looks into adressing the needs of others. The same is the logic here. Agree that lift aiirigation id only feaseable here which requires more power, but the god's gift to telangana is that major coal reservers are here which can be utilzed for power generation.
Now you have shatter these claims of telanagna experts by putting some data. I am sure there is no data on this front as it is for everyone to see.
<B> Consider this, every parent first adressess the needs of his child and then only looks into adressing the needs of others. <B>
@Sampath,
sorry to ask this.. how old are you? u are comparing river water with bringing up kids.. btw.. r u kidding?
if u calculate the entire length of the river, only 20% of it flows in telangana region. i dont know what to say, but if such simple logic is enough to share water resources, y the hell there should be international and national level water laws? y the fool bachawat did 5+ yrs extensive study to allocate water for the 3 states. see, as per ur logic maharashtra is where river starts first, but it has least allocated. far less than andhra.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Krishna_Water_Disputes_Tribunal
if u want to go to the full text, http://www.irrigation.ap.gov.in/kwdtaward.html
another funny thing, u r saying the coal resources are enough to generate power for lift.
the electricity generated itself is not sufficient for home usage, and every govt 1st priority is to provide for residential purpose, later industries, dont live in a dreamland.
Mr. Sampath,
I would like to point out to you that a thousand videos can be made with little or no truth. A person like C. Narayana Reddy, having written thousands of songs for the telugu film industry, started to feel cheated and looted by the Andhra dominated film industry. He is trying to do his bit like the chief engineers in the videos.
The appreciable fact about Chakravarthy is that he has published a book. This gives a chance for every one to read and point out the facts, like you tried to do in your previous reply. If there are differences and the differences are found to be correct, the author is then bound to correct them.
My sincere request to the developers of the above videos is to publish the facts, as presented in the videos, in a reputed news paper. Every one can read and if there are differences, people will have a chance to point out the differences. Today, these sort of videos are being passed around among the people of one region and they are believing it. Only when these are shown to the people of all regions, the facts can come out. And the best way to do so would be to get it printed as a column in the news papers so every one can read. Please remember that you will always need a witness to corroborate a truth. Until then, it is a lie. In this case, how many chief engineers from other regions saw these videos and how many of them were asked if these statements are true?
Cheif engineers from telangana are wrong, estimeed proffessors from this region are wrong, students are lying. You will only understand this problem, if you see from unpartial view. Here is the list or articles from news papers. There is an article from BBC also. I sincerely hope hope you read this with unpartial attitude
http://www.telangana.org/Articles/Art.asp?id=6
http://www.telangana.org/Articles/Art.asp?id=15
http://www.telangana.org/Articles/Art.asp?id=16
http://www.telangana.org/Articles/Art.asp?id=20
http://www.telangana.org/Articles/Art.asp?id=23
I smell a rat in Sampath's claims. Mr.Sampath can you please list your claims on teachers educations so that I can go back to the data you linked for verification. My initial glance at your own source of data does not suggest any major discripencies. Particularly I have gone through the teacher-pupil ratio is various districts and found no pattern whatsover. Again let me make it clear that I dont obsess over one issue to come to conclusions of "cheating" "dongalu" and other fascist accusations.
Sampath gaaru,
you are doubting the genuineness of data put forward by Mr. Chakravarty.
At the same you are unable to affirm that Prof. Kodandram and Prof. Jayashankar used genuine data.
So how do you think we should validate the information?
These professors are passionate about Telangana so there is possibility of unintentional bias.
In fact I would not hesitate to say the same about Mr. Chakravarty.
In his eagerness to prove separatists wrong he is bound make mistakes.
I am sure you are aware of the errors in IPCC reports. This is a panel of 2500 world renowned scientists on climate.
They are neither passionate nor have any vested interest. Yet the blundered on Himalayas.
Based on this report Indian diplomats faced huge problems in negotiating in climate changes.
Developed nations were trying to force India to give Thermal power.
Imagine the amount of loss to India, if the errors in report were not brought out.
When such a panel could make mistakes, why cannot we expect biased views from passionate people?
What is the case for Iraq war that killed lacks of people? Liberating Iraqis from Saddam's misrule?
No Bush said there were WMDs. US media subscribed to it immediately and helped Bush build the fear psychosis on WMD.
After the destruction big media like Time admitted that they did not attempt for independent verification of WMD.
Can this undo the destruction caused by Iraq war?
Many Telangana proponents are asking "We can tell 1 lakh reason to separate, but tell us one for stay united?".
It is easy to argue in favor of separation because even a small difference can be magnified to the proportion we want.
An unintentional mistake could be perceived as discrimination.
Only reason for being united is "unity" itself.
I am not questioning the demand for Telangana. Not even averse to a separate state.
But build it on positive approach. You need a cause to rebuild Telangana but not necessarily a villain to fight.
You are in democracy and few strong leaders/groups can achieve the goals.
People are unable to see beyond a separate state. What is the roadmap for rebuilding Telangana?
The lobby of powerful (as Telangana keep saying) A+R leaders could not clear Polavaram and Pulichintala for 50 years.
Then how you can realize all those wish list with small and weak leaders who cannot even lobby at Delhi?
The energy shown in the current demand can be diverted to get sanctions for small and medium projects.
You can press the Telangana leaders to lobby for projects rather than resignations.
prabhakar
Prabhakar,
I agree with all that u said in about difference in reports. Infact that is what i have been saying. I was only against author using terms like "henious". I see a lot of logic in your argument and also aprreciate the way to u have articulated.
My point, this region has been given assurances, many times before, and each and every assurance everytime has been broken. Hence people will never beleive in seemandhra leaders. How can you beleive leaders, who have put something in their manifesto and when it comes to reality they are opposing it!! It's out in clear that these people were using telanagana plank to garner votes.
Menifesto?
–Agree that lift aiirigation id only feaseable here which requires more power, but the god's gift to telangana is that major coal reservers are here which can be utilzed for power generation.–
Sampath Gaaru,
Fair question.
If you do so, the project becomes unfeasible and cost of inputs becomes more than the output.If some one can find a dirt cheap source like Nuclear Cold Fusion, then this would be economically viable.
Bhanu Prasad Garu,
"cost of input becomes more than output". There cant be any unfair assesment than this one. How did you come to this conclusion. Is there a research scholar who has done study on on cumulative year basis on output and inputs from this type of projects.
Any democratic govt thinks or should ideally think at development of its citizens than econimic viability. Even a hard core capitalist country like US follows this rule.
Even if we think, Govt is adopting your approach, why are they starting these projects, giving them false hopes, is this not cheating!!!
Mr. Sampath,
"Because, both the major rivers krishna and godavari flow through telangana, the region has the right to first utlize its share of water. This is the rule everywhere in the world".
If this statement is to be treated as true and needs to be upheld, the consequences are catastrophic. What you are saying is that Karnataka has complete rights over Krishna and Maharashtra has complete rights over Godavari.
"Consider this, every parent first adressess the needs of his child and then only looks into adressing the needs of others. The same is the logic here."
From this statement, you are saying Karnataka and Maharshtra should build thousands of dams and only when they are done addressing their needs, they should consider AP and Tamil Nadu.
Justice Bachawat must have been a fool!
AMRAO,
Telangana is only asking for its share of water. The rule is depending on the catchment area of the flow of water of a river, the water utilization is done. This is adopted everywhere. On this basis telangana is asking for its right share of water. If a region, uses more water that it its legitimate right, then its wrong. Justice Bacahwat is not a fool, he has alloted specific amount water in his report, to mahbubnagar district, the powers in state have one even utitized one 10% of that water for that district. Istead they are diverting the water to rayalaseema through pothireddipadu, somasila projects. River krishna water is being utilized for some rayalaseems district and chennai city and not for mahbubnagar district. How on earth is this fair!!
Mr Sampath,
First of all, I would like to appreciate you for being reasonable in your thinking. Most people, who are in favour of Telengana, seem to want people to just shut up and listen and not ask any questions. I am happy that you are willing to listen and also make your point of view heard.
Now, if I understand you correctly, you are agreeing to the fact that Justice Bachawat has allocated the share of the water resources reasonably among the regions. But your contention is that his recommendations have not been implemented fairly. The water allocated to Telengana region, over the years, have not been as much as Justice Bachawat has recommended.
I request you to go through the chapters that the author has kindly shared with us free of cost. After going through the chapters, I request you to point out the statistics, which support your argument, either from the book or from any government agency. If you can be specific and share the sources, it would be an eye opener for all of us including the author.
AMRAO Garu,
Chakravarthy garu in his artcle clearly states the water allocated to different projects on krishna river. The projects that were supposed to give water to telangana region like Jurala, Rojolibanda Diversion scheme, Dhindi, Koyil sagar, kottapalli wagu are not fully constructed. There are many newspaper reports on this. You can even go and see these dams. These projects were started much before Telunganga project. The powers in our stae now want to complete potthireddipadu and pulichintala on same krishna water without completing the age old sactioned projects. The same is expressed in the video's in which the link i have given. Numbers and reports always never tell the complete and true picture. Infact in Irrigation itself there are lot to say. This is all that i want to say. Hence i say the demand for telangana is logical and lawful.
Sampath gaaru,
following is the extract of Chapter 19 of Chakarvarty's book.
"After settling the Krishna River dispute, the central government asked Bachawat to offer a similar solution to the Godavari River dispute among Maharashtra, Madhya Pradesh, and Andhra Pradesh. After another extensive study, the Bachawat Tribunal, in its final award in 1980, allocated 1,472.7 TMC of Godavari River water to Andhra Pradesh. Out of the 1,472 TMC available to our state, today, we are only using 514 TMC, and the rest flows into the ocean.
Interestingly, the Godavari River receives nearly 600 TMC of water almost at the tail end of the river. Even if Nizam Telangana manages to tap the Godavari Rifully at higher altitudes of its region, it will not affect the Kosta farmer significantly."
Prof. Jayashankar or anybody else can disprove this, especially second ponit about the 600 TMS outside Telangana?
You have already admitted that lift irrigation is the only way on Godavari in Telangana region. In such case why Andhra people are blamed for this?
You may argue thet why lift irrigation projects were not taken up in the past. But did we have enough energy to manage these projects?
I fully agree that there was not enough to maintain or promote tank irrigation in Telangana. But as Mr. Chakravarty raised already this was by and large responsibility of the local leaders.
As on today it appears people from all regions really did not mingle well. But this not unique to AP. It is there and will be there in many states. Don't forget there are various differences even in neighbouring districts like food habits, festivals etc. But that does not mean everybody has to separate. Even if there is sufficent case for separation, it not ncessarily based on hatred.
Why were ppl like Raavu Narayan Reddy, Komaram bheem and other telangana legendaries names are missing from History book of AP. While Potti's name got publicity in History books when Telangana ppl hardly have to do anything with Potti. Also why are u not giving your book for free to all telangana ppl (atleast a PDF file) why do u want to charge for it ooh got it else how will ur business flourish
Its like asking, why Telangana persons name is missing in Indian history books, and start fighting with government of india.
Your comment is insulting Potti sriramulu. Hope moderator removes Mallik's comment.
By the way, i am also from telangana, but a sensible telanganite.
I am not against potti sriramulu, but he was mainly fighting for madras city, its been totally mis interpreted in our text books. yes i agree, sriramulu has nothing to do with telangana or Andhra Pradesh for that matter. He is just widely publicized by andhra leaders and people.
I am not a Telanganite to start with but have become a Telanganite since I am residing here since the last 45 years, married a Telangana girl and have children who are born and brought up here at Hyderabad. I have studied the Great Telangana Peasant movement and armed struggle and the Anti-Nizam merger in Indian Union movement and the Visalandhra movement in some depth and also interviewed many veteran fighters of the Telangana armed struggle with pointed questions as to whether they have met with any discrimination or ridicule from the Andhra people during their struggle. The last point first: all the fighters unanimously replied that they were treated quite cordially and friendly in Andhra region and all help and advice was extended to them. Not only that they said they themselves were ashamed that they had or they had been forced to neglect their own mother tongue and learnt very much from the Andhra people who adore their mother tongue and promote it feverishly. None of the fighters was in any way critical of the Andhra people.
And then I found that the entire self-respect movement in Telangana hovered around the word 'Andhra' (which now the separatists use as a derogatory word). The first self-respect association established at Hyderabad in 1922 or so was named Andhra Janasangham and its branches were soon formed in Suryapet and other places in Telangana. The next more well known popular association is Andhra Mahasabha under which umbrella the great Telangana peasant armed struggle was led (mainly by the Communist party). The Andhra Mahasabha leaders were very proud with the name and refused to delete the word 'Andhra' and substitute 'Telangana' even though Nizam hinted at all facilities if only that name were to be removed.
Visalandhra movement was not of Andhra persuasion alone but was quite powerful in Telangana at that time and the bulk of the people (contrary to some confidential or unpublished letter by Burgula Ramakrishna Rao) were for merger of the two linguistic regions. The separate Telangana movement then was led by rabid feudal lords and leaders – K.V. Ranga Reddy was in the forefront and just budding Channa Reddy took advantage. It was a minor movement and limited to towns. KALOJI was not for separate Telangana at that time and welcomed the formation of Andhra Pradesh.
The real spontaneous popular movement for separate Telangana was in 1969 which first started as Telangana Safeguards protection movement and later deviated into separatist channel. Misguided at that time I also participated in a small way in it. But all the communist parties and groups (but for a few extreme left groups like ours), including the present CPI, and also some prominent Congress leaders, strongly opposed the movement then. As all know, later Channa Reddy betrayed that movement though TPS secured 10 parliamentary seats on that wave.
The very peculiar thing is that in 1972 the Jai Andhra movement for separate Andhra shook the entire Seemandhra region and all the separatist Telangana leaders never supported or even intervened in the matter but kept mum watching the show. If they too demanded separation at that time, then probably things would have taken an entirely different course and all this exercise of 6-point formula, later intermingling for more than 30 years and development of Hydeabad and RR dt. on an unprecedented scale, etc. would not have occurred. You may note that during the entire period of NTR rule when he has taken the word Telugu to the skies and made it known prominently in Delhi too (until then we were grouped under the term Madrasis only) not a whimper of Telangana was there. After about two generations have passed (in the usual historical terms 15-20 years is taken as one generation period) and after so much of intermingling and real development of Telangana region it is atrocious now to raise the demand for separation and blame the Seemandhra people for that. This is entirely a movement generated by relatively affluent and self-centered political leaders which unfortunately caught the imagination of the masses in Telangana, especially after the 9 December Chidambaram statement. If the KCR fast was properly handled and some stern measures were taken to control the situation then itself all this would not have occurred. But the situation now seems to be going out of control and people like me are very much pained to see the rancour and irrationality pervading among Telangana youth in general and it would be heartrending for us to lose a united State. At least up to 9 December there was a silent majority in Telangana not inspired by separatism but now it seems only a minority is free from that disease.
Sharma gaaru,
as you mentioned already the situation is out of control.
Others may call average Telanganite gullible, dumb etc. After the recent events I will say average Telanganite is really INNOCENT. This may give some credence to claims of pro-Telanganites who are misusing innocence of their own people.
Pro-telanganites projected umpteen issues being in united state. But they are not able to propose a single plan for solving these issues in separate state. They simply say "we have experts who can take care of it". Also they are simply dismissing any potential problems with separate state. They are projecting an utopian situation in separate state.
I sincerely pray for these innocent telanganites. At least they should carry forward this unity to rebuild Telangana.
Prabhakar,
Telangana people were innocent, hence they believed every assuramce given to them when the state was merged. They were innocent when a constitunal ammendment was brought in to negate a supreme court ruling. They were innocent when new irrigation projects were being planned and constructed without any clearance from central govt and environmental agencies. They were innocent when schools text books thought them wrong history with respect to Mr Potti sriramulu being the man and the main reason for "Andhra Pradesh". Thanks to the media, things have now changed. A tealnganite is now standing for his legitimate rite. "a Telangana State". It will be a realty. Thanks for for praying for us, we definetly will improve.
Mr Prabhakar,
Mr Vinod Kumar, former MP and reputed lawyer, has written about hos view on the development of telanagana. The request you click on the below link and read the report on STATE OF TELANGANA: A NEW PARADIGM. Mt Sincere request to you is , please atleast now start respecting telangana people.
http://www.telangana.com/Telanganavoices/dhomdham
Dont try to appropirate komaram bheem and other tribal icons to the feudal separatist movement. Sammakka – sarakka festival organizer Chanda Lingaiah Dora has already warned telangana jac not to appropriate a cultural festival in to their fascist movement. Please read http://www.thehindu.com/2010/01/17/stories/2010011753880300.htm
Kiran,
Nowhere did he mention in the post above that this is a fascist movement. Please dont attribute words from your vocabulary to others. Again this like another "Lagadapati" kind of thing.
AMRAO,
Chakravarthy Garu in his book clearly states the water alloted by justice bachawat to various projects. in these Jurala, Rojolibanda Turnaround, dhindi, koyil sagar are not yet completed. They are pending since almost 30-40 years. The govt is now building pulichintala for giving water to 3rd crop in krishna delta. Srisailam project was not alloted any water by Bachawat tribunal as it was a project based for power utilization. The YSR govt tried to build pothireddipadu and divert water from srisailum project. This is what is called as theft. This is there in the videos i have shown. Considering all this our author still thinks seems is worst effected. Number and figures does always tell the whole story. Even in education the author has not provided any data on medical feild. there is a lot of dicrimination for telangana here also.
Sampath, Raguram and Ramesh
It is not clear how you received my comment of "INNOCENT". My intention was certainely NOT derogatory or mockery.
I genuinely flet it becuase of the way the people in Telangana misled by leaders both inside and outside.
As Sharma gaaru raised the handling of Dec 9 was a political mistake.
BUT THERE SHOULD BE NO GOING BACK ON THIS.
In other forums I said "I will be ashamed to be Indian if Telangana state is not formed. This is a promise of a country to its people, faling on which damages the credibility of the nation".
If central government can succumb to pressure tactics of a handful of wealthy politicians even god cannot save this country.
My argument is not against Telangana or its people.
I will be more than happy if Telangana is formed today now this movement. At least it will give a chance to get back to our lives.
All that I am saying is not to mislead your own people.
Do not make false promises to the people with unviable projects and job promises,
'Arachetilo swargam chooputunnaru'
Following are a few projections in separate Telangana
a. 2 Lakh govt Jobs –
What is the rationale for this? The current strength is to adminster 8+ crore population.
How many are equired to adminster 4 crores?
There could be a few tens of thousands if A+R employess are sent out.
b. 2 Lakh private jobs -
Who is going to float private organizations for Telanganites ONLY?
Only possibility is take over all Andhra owned private organizations and giving those jobs to Telanganites.
Is this possible to run companies in that manner?
Or you want to stop all other Indians getting jobs in Telangana?
c. 24 Hours electricity -
At least this is one area pro-Telaganites are not crying "dopidi".
This means there only enough electricity generation or overdrawing from other regions/states.
What is the gestation peroid for more power generation, either Thermal or Hydel?
If not can Telangana afford to buy so much power from other states?
d. Irrigation for 20 lakh acres in 5 years -
There are some chances of grounding some projects on Krishna.
What about Godavari? Where from you get power for lift irrigation?
I am sure you are hearing the status of Jalaygnam.
Close to 50 thound crores spent already but how many acres got extra irrigation?
How these proponents plan to raise finances for all these irrigation and power projects?
Is Hyderabad's income going to cater to everything Telangana needs?
Hyderabad's income is bound to come down after division (at least for few years).
Even if you forcibly take over all properties of 'dopididarulu', how much it will be?
In fact such action will bring down Hyderabad's valuations.
Does any of these leaders or professors have even a basic plan for future of Telangana state?
All that I hear from proponents is we will take care of everything once state is divided.
Who is going to spearhead the program of rebuilding the state?
Mr. Chakravarthy might be talking for united state. But he has enough points to prove that these proponents are spreading lies.
Your proponents have enough cause to demand a separate state but they don't have to mislead their own people with false promises.
Why cannot you stop lying to your own people?
Instead you can tell them that statehood is highest priority and we should continue the struggle even after to rebuild the state.
Sampath gaaru,
I can understand the way you are feeling for the word 'Henious'.
But how else you can describes the lies from a LEARNED MAN?
Prof. Kodandamram can argue that Telangana is exploited but not based on lies which eventually can backfire on Telangana cause.
Ramesh,
I read the document you mentioned. I am sorry to say it sounds more like election manifesto. The proposals in the document are rather utopian.
Does this document answers any of the above questions, most importantly power and finance?
Praqbhakar Garu,
I request you to know the facts of jalyagnam. The basis for these" dopidi" word comes from that jalyagnam started by YSR. I request you, chakravarthy garu and all other people to watch these videos. Agian this is by an irrigation expert. If the author or someone proves this wrong to me and i will be the first one to change my stance and also will propogate the real truth to my fellow telanganites. Now its upto u, chakravarthy garu to prove these facts are wrong. here are the links
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T0f8r1I4aDU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wyGZFqEKnnQ&feature=related
Sampath gaaru,
I don't think it is really necessary to discuss YSR now.
"dopidi" is very small and gentle term to describe what YSR did in this state for last 5 years.
60 thousand crores increase in AP debt despite 20% annualized revenue growth in this period is the indicator of his deeds.
Do you think Jalayagnam really meant for irrigation? Is there at least a minor project that is comissioned successfully under this?
Mr. Chakravarty's books says
"After settling the Krishna River dispute, the central government asked Bachawat to offer a similar solution to the Godavari River dispute among Maharashtra, Madhya Pradesh, and Andhra Pradesh. After another extensive study, the Bachawat Tribunal, in its final award in 1980, allocated 1,472.7 TMC of Godavari River water to Andhra Pradesh. Out of the 1,472 TMC available to our state, today, we are only using 514 TMC, and the rest flows into the ocean.
Interestingly, the Godavari River receives nearly 600 TMC of water almost at the tail end of the river. Even if Nizam Telangana manages to tap the Godavari River fully at higher altitudes of its region, it will not affect the Kosta farmer significantly."
Is there any data contending this claim and Kosta is using all 1400 TMC from Godavari?
Telangana has every right to build projects and utilize 900 TMC water and it will not affect Kosta region.
I do not want to contest Sridhar's argument on diverting 200 TMC of Godavari water. As of now both Polavarm and Dummugudem are illeagal.
But he does not propose anything to utilize the available 700 TMC. He refers to only Pranahita-Chevella and Ellampalli projects.
He claims YSR ignored plans by Telangana engineers for Pranahita-Chevella. But we know that YSR laid foundation stone for this project.
Today everybody including Telanganites like Uppunutala is questionning viability of this project.
What I am asking is Sridhar or other Telangana engineers have any proposals or plans for utilizing Godavari waters to irrigate 50 lakh acres?
I cannot resist discussing Potireddy paadu. Many politicians including PJR cried foul on Potireddy paadu.
Mr. Ponnala dismissed these charges. It is everybody's knowledge how is responsible for deaths of hundereds in floods.
He allowed the higher water level in Srisailam to ensure water can be released to potireddy paadu.
Another important issue is floods. Time and again Kosta and Seema suffered a lot due to floods. Both property damage and loss of lives.
I am trying to take leaf out of "Merchant of Venice".
How Telanagan plans to share this natural destruction?
Can you stop everydrop of water over and above allocated to Kosta and Seema?
Alternatively can you fully compensate the damages by floods in those regions?
Sounds ridiculous? But every right comes with a responsibilty too.
Mr Prabhakar
I have to agree with you on all the things you have to say. You are only one to agree that floods in kurnool were man made disaster. When KCR said this, people shouted saying, he is again lying and trying to take political mileage. Coming to the point, of using godavari waters, there are about 6-8 minor projects which have been started ages ago, which when completed the waters can be used fully. Coming to floods, the low lying area's definetly will be affected. We need to be well prepared for such a disaster, the extent of damage of lige can be adressed, where as damage of crops and property, people need to be adequately compensated.
Ofcourse dopidi wont apply to irrigation minister Ponnala as they belong to telangana they can enjoy power but no responsibilities. Only rayalaseema and kostha people are "dongalu". Can anyone tell me how this is different from fascism
Kiran,
Offcourse, dopidi will and mostly definetely will apply to ponnala, he was a pon to YSR. everyone knows that no one dared to differ YSR, all people who differ him either lost in the 2009 election or were not given minister posts. Its similar with all CM's before.
PS: Ponnala today cant even visit his house in Warangal. Everyone in Telangana knows about him.
First of all I ask Nallamotu garu to present the funds released to all three areas, there could be enough teachers, but lack of felicities in schools and colleges it doesnt matter if there are enough teachers. And again there could be few non-locals illegally appointed in those posts, so untill I see the funds data I can not agree with Nallamoutu analasys about educations. For example see the difference between following two cases
Case1:there will be one school for whole mandal with 100 teachers and there
Case2: ten schools with ten teachers for each school for one mandal.
First senario is not good for educations but it needs less funds. One more thing you need to remember that there could be more people in telangana depending on private schools (because of lack of fecilities in govt. schools) so the number of students without addressing in what schools they are studying is misinterpretation. I want to stress one more thing that as of 2008 there is no govt degree college in Rangareddy district.
To Mr. Prabhakar
a .As per Girglaini Commission set up in 2001 around 2laks of govt jobs in telangana are enjoyed by migrants from Andhra and Rayalaseema regions. If we get saparated then may be we don't get whole 2lak jobs(because few migrants might have got local status here by now) but atleast a lak will be ours and there will be no mistakes like this in future. And you need to remember one thing that for 4 crore people we may half of the current state level administration jobs but rest of the jobs like teachers, mandal office, collector office, banks etc will we needed like before.
b. That is completely wrong about offering 2lak private jobs, I do not agree with who ever promised that. but may be there will be very few migrations from Andhra to telangana after saperations so telangana people may get more share in private sector too.
c. That could be happen. For example, telangana has more coal for thermal electricity, And I read some where that the expansion of ramagundam power plant(as of 2008, capacity is 62MW)is slow compared to few thermal plants expansion in rayalaseem(as of 2008 400MW and 200MW in consturction) where these rayalaseema plants get coal from singareni. If we get saperated we can use the coal as much as we want.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3k286v3uLv8
When you saying that proponents are spreading lies, do you read about many agreements made before between Andhra and Telangana? Andhra caught steling funds from Telangana before 1969 agitation(nallamotu mentioned this in his book that amount is around 35crores, but i read in another news paper that it is around 110crores), in 1972 there removed regional panels who look after the revinew/expenses. So now there is no way to find out those detaisl if they are still forwarding talangana funds to andhar. The caught multiple times appoiting non-locals in telangana in the past. How would you justify this?
I have one more question, TRS is claiming from almost 10 years that Andhra looting telangana in funds, water, job etc. And several professors posted there stats to support there clamins. So why Andhra Pradesh Govt. not releasing actual numbers to public? When whole state is burning witht his issue why cant govt. release such data? What will be the most important things they need to do than this issue for now? Are they afraid if atleast few of TRS claims true? If they release such data then atleast one movement will stop, i dont mind if it is telangana movement or United Andhra movement. People will listen to there pro-telangana stats as long as Govt. shut there mouths.
Some one raised a question that if Andhra guy buy lands in HYD how come it is looting, I explain how, first govt sells 1000acres to a andhra guy, govt get around 10,000 crores income, then govt spends 9000 crores in Andhra and 1000 in Telangana, doesnt ring a bell?
Any way Andhra has long history of breaking agreements, Gentlemen Agreement, 6 Point formula, GO610 are few from them.
Kiran kamisetti,
you are missing my point again. I am not contending the failures of agreements.
My question is on realizing the Telangana as projected by these proponents?
As per Mr Chakravarty's book I understand that Telangana is not receiving all the water allocated to it. But it is not the case with Godavari. I do see any data contending Chakravarty's claim on Godavari. Without such data how can you accpet Kodandaram or Jayashankar's claims. They are bound to be seen as lies.
Let us accept professors are right and Mr. Chakravarty is wrong. What are the plans to utilize these waters in Telangana state?
I also pointed out possible Power shortage in Telangana. Putting these two together, how Telangana can realize both total electrification and Irrigation?
How much power can be generated using Singareni coal?
I will be more than happy to see any such plan even for a minor project than can irrigate 1 lakh acres.
Dear Prabhakar,
You are correct, Telangana may not became heaven by separated but it can achieve better than United. Did any one really research on possibilities on Telangana irrigation projects possibilities? If our united leaders has will then we can build better projects in Telangana too. See the following video to know which projects have been planned before the merge and trashed after the merge.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZo7PFNc-F4&feature=related
If above projects are completed then we could have seen a different telangana.
You need to understand one more point, many of the Telangana people do not trust TRS or they are not the followers of TRS. Starting last December the movement converted from political movement to peoples movement. So please dont just assume that many people fighting for telangana by listening to TRS or some other leaders. If you want to blame politicians for there false promises, then you should start from the time of merge and blame every politician how gave false promises to Telangana people. (In agreement forms)
I do not want to talk about the numbers here, as Mr. Nallamotu explained, Jayashankar may be wrong or Nallamotu wrong. There is no third party documented proofs available about these numbers. But there are plenty of documents available about broken agreements, GOs and promises.
All I am trying to say is if Mr. Nallamotu wants to prove Jayashankar argument is wrong, then that is fine with me, but using that he can not simply say that Telangana movement itself wrong. He should change his title some thing like 'How Jayashankar betraying his own people with wrong data' but not 'TElangana State Demand – A Bhasmasura WIsh'. If he wants to challenge the movement then he should talk about all the issues but not only the Jayashankar's or some others data. In every analysis Mr. Nallamotu proves that Telangana was super duper developed than the Andhra, but if you go following site ….
http://brgf.gov.in/brgfdistricts.asp
About site is about Backward Regions Grant Fund Districts per Ministry of Panchayat Raj (Government of India ). This site clearly states that nine out of 12 back ward districts are in telangana, that means only one state is not backwarded in Telangana.
For example small sentence from Nallamotu's book regarding 1969 agitation
"Release the 70-crore balance of Telangana funds (it is unclear how
the 33 crores that even the Telangana Regional Council agreed as
the balance of funds became 70 crores)"
By above sentence Mr. Nallamotu trying to say that the Telangana agitators demand is not legit. Check the following link,
http://www.andhrajyothy.com/editshow.asp?qry=/2008/feb/12edit3
Another example
"With that background, let us now delve into the bloody fight for the separate Telangana state that was fought for less than 5,000 non-mulki jobs. In other words, the issue affected a miniscule 0.033% of the approximately 1.5 crore people living in the Nizam Telangana region."
So by above example if a terrorist from Pakistan bombs hyderabad and kills 10lak people, then India should not counter attack terrorist camps in Pakistan because that may drag two nations into full scale war effecting around 150 crore people that means we can ignore those 10lak people (less than 0.1%) and happily continue our life. About the jobs, the keyword is 'illegal placement' but not the 'number' .
If Mr. Nallamotu wants to prove that telangana movement is wrong then he should talk about each and every agreement between Telangana and Andhra.
Kiran,
The data on the backword districts of AP tells some story. There are other indicators then that Mr Nalkanuthu has shown. Good Job buddy!! This itself answers all the questions people have here.
Its ridiculous to compare jobs to murders. Those 5000 included many telugu teachers who were there on invitation. Even if a few excess were there Kamisetti would like destroy the state and replace with others ? Is this "injustice" so tremendous to him ? Muslims form 17% of telangana population but their job representation is less than 4% in telangana..is this not injustice towards muslims by telangana society? Have all sc st reserved quota jobs implemented correctly ? let me assure there are lakhs of jobs rightfully belonging to daliths but either not filled or replaced by other castes. Then daliths should destroy Indian state as well and replace with their own by dividing the country.
There should be some sense and proportion before demanding gonthemma korekalu. It is clear that kamisetti is not bothered about this job "injustice" – if he really is he will be more upset with what is happening to sc/st jobs. There is a more different reason for this nonsense.
Kiran,
If people have come on invitation, then dont you think they will definetely leave when so many people are make it a case for division of a state. You in your own words have described GO 610 crisply and clearly. Once telangana is formed muslims will get their own quota, they were discriminated in andhra pradesh. You yourself have made classic case for seperation. Good going bro…
yesterday the truth came out in open in kakatiya university.
Finally Krishna Madiga and everyone has understood that the real idea of kcr is to become cm. t state is his means not the end. He cares too hoots for telangana since by heart he is an andhraite from srikakulam.
as prof Kancha iliah states often, the real losers will be the common people of telangana who as usual are sacrificing themselves so that the rich and mighty can realize their dreams.
If KCr really wants to do justice why does he not publicly state that a dalit will be CM of telangana.
Mr Srinivas,
KCR, has inummerable times stated that a dalit will only be the first CM of the state. After telangana is formed KCR will most probably be in the centre. He will be bigger than a CM. Anyways this telangana movement is not about KCR and Manda krishna. Its about people of telangana.
On the subject of coal from singareni.
1. VTPS uses very little coal from singareni. Given a choice they will not use it at all. The coal from bihar/ jharkhand is cheaper and of better grade. imported coal is also cheaper.
2. Cheaper gas from KG basin will eventually lead to a state where thermal plants using coal will become unviable.
3. Coal based plants need a lot of water. So you cannot set up a plant in kothagudem itself.
Who will buy singareni coal?
Srinivas,
Good for seemaandhra state. You can export good grade coal from australia. All the very best!!
Yesterday , after Polikeka meeting , andhra people travelling in Padmavathy express were harassed by Telangana students returning from polikeka meeting. They abused a telangana woman named sunitha , assuming that she was a andhra woman. Sunitha called up TV9 and narrated this incident.
Is there no security for Andhra,seema people in Andhra pradesh ? Are these hooligans the future of telangana state? Mistreating women is a new low even for Telangana movement.
Ravindra,
Everywhere in every place there will some stupid folks who will behave badly, you cant take one incident and genralize. Dont worry about security, all people from seemandhra will live peacfully in telangana state. When tempers cool down, everything will be fine. You will realize this yourself.
Mr Kiran,
Yes, it is ridiculous to compare jobs with killing. But you are missing the point. If a kid stoles a pencil from other kid then it is bad, teacher will punish him for stealing. But this looks foolish if same thing happened between two adults. Adults do not care much for lost pencil. Same way, jobs is between regions and killing is between two countries. Those are two big problems in its own level.
And about the Muslims, there problem is not happening because Telangana people are discriminating Muslims, they are also got discriminated in United andhra. If you want to discuss the future problems of separated Telangana then first you should complete the debate the discrimination happened in the past.
Mr Ravindra don't mind to accuse whole telangana people based on one single indecent happened yesterday(They abused a telangana woman). If that's the case Andhra had done lots of discrimination against Telangana in the past, does that mean the each and every Andhra person is bad? I don't think so.
Again I am making my point clear. Mr. Nallamotu do not have right to call this Telangana movement as 'Basmasura Wish' by proving one or few other people's argument is wrong. If he wants to prove, then he should talk about all the incidents happened in the past which are documented in several places (that way we can verify the neutrality of the data). By seeing Mr. Nallmotu argument I am concluding that he argued only the data which is favour to his argument, and he do not want to touch the information which is against his argument like several agreements and commission reports, GOs. Again as per Mr. Nallamoutu, Telangana is super duper developed then why Backward Regions Grant Fund Districts per Ministry of Panchayat Raj, Govt. India website shows nine out of ten districts are backward regions?(see my previous post for link)
He want's to show the Andhra discrimination as a very small problem by stating like 0.001% or something like that. Here numbers are not the Keyword, the keyword is breaking agreements, breaking law, our constitution and GOs. They are keep doing this again and again and again and again.
Again, media highlights only such bad incidents and whole Andhra thinks that it is happening there for every hour and every second. If you go and look into Telangana Districts news edition there will always two pages covering all peaceful agitations, but those do not come into main edition highlights.
Mr. Srinivas.
Your argument is legit but think about this. When Kuddappa plant do not have coal and water near by and they upgraded the plant capacity multiple times in the past then why cant we upgrade Ramagundam power plant in the same way where we have enough coal near by and plenty of water available in few kilometers away?
If all United Andhra guys wants to argue that we can still work it out by united then we can debate, in that case you guys first come out of the denial mode of saying that there is no discrimination happened against Telangana. If you do not agree, then there is no point of talking.
Once again violence unleashed against Andhra businesses . 'Adurs' movie theaters were vandalized by Telangana goons yesterday . The reason is that Kodali nani made some remarks against telangana movement. Prof kodandaram says that businesses of people who are against formation of Telangana will not be allowed to function .
Are we living in India or afghanistan ? Is there a government running in AP or not ? Do people who run business have no freedom of speech ? Telangana fanatics can say anything , but when andhra leaders retaliate their business interests in Hyd will be attacked. All this proves how unsafe settlers and their businesses will be in Telangana state.
Kiran,
Are you agreeing with what kodali nani has said? Infact he was playing a game. He has insured his business and now that collections have gone down, he said this so that he cam cliam the money from insurers. This business attitude of some andhrite is so very disgusting. If any andhra person behave like this then he ought to deserve treatment like this.
Normal andhra people and their business have no problem here. Only insane people get such treatment.
Yes, Ap is a sorry state of lawlessness. When they broke the Gentlemen's Agreement, there is still law in the AP. When they steal the Telangana funds and caught(In 1969) by central Audit there is still law in AP. When they caught stealing Telangana jobs and caught many times in the past there is law in AP. When all telangana people asking for there right ful share of jobs, funds and water and Govt. didn't care for them there is still law in AP. When Girglaini Commission come up with a report saying around 2lak jobs in Telangana illegally occupied by non-locals and Govt. did nothing about it, there is still law in the AP. When they broke Six point formula, and GO610 there is still law in AP. But sadly when Telangana agitators banned the Kodali Nani's movie to counter this stupid statements then there is no law in AP. claps every one.
Ravindra, is this you want to say to this? I don't think I misunderstand you.
Kodali Nani is playing cheap tricks to get money from insurance companies. Adurs movie is massively suffered from pirated cds. And collections have gone down. So to make money Kodali Nani playing disgusting play in disguise of 'Freedom of speech'. This proves only about how far a Andhrite Politicians or Business mans can go beyond morals to gain money and they do not care if people suffer for there actions.
To Kiran Kamisetty,
Who are you to "dictate" morals to a businessman in this country without first you supporters following sociatal morals?
What were your leaders and intellects doing when the agreements were broken? Why didn't you question the discrimination in funds allotment in courts, like how T supporters filed a case in high court regarding NABARD allocation last month? Why didn't you raise regular objections in the parliament for all these years. Are you separatists accept before innocent telanganites that you were sleeping for all these years?
You separatists say that thousands of telangana lives were destroyed becuase of broken agreements. So do you say that for that, even if you threaten and assault people and destrooy properties from other dists is justified? Do you guys have any respect on indian judiciary system or constitution. No state in india is formed based upon hatred. The more you develop hatred, the farther is your goal.
Agreements were broken from both sides. Did Andhra area get deputy CM post when telangana CM was there? The morale behind agreements and Go's is to keep Telangana area growing economically.Mr Nalamotu clearly said how much development had been there in Telangana for all these years.
When you say that RR dist does not have a degree college, why dont you speak the fact that, highest number of enginnering colleges permission was given to Nalgonda and RR dists in entire AP?
First you guys have to accept that, professors from this region are NOT "ENTIRELY RIGHT". You have to accept that they mis interpreted the data and presented only one side of the coin. If you do not agree then there is no point in talking.
Here is an interesting article. If you analyze the artcle deeply, you can clearly draw conclusions on why telangana seems to be underdevloped. Here is my interpretation, some sections(no prizes for guessing) of the andhra leaders ahve always tried to divert funds as they were more powerful and rich. seema got little attention in development as lot of influencial political people hail from this region. Most CM's. They have combined well to cause misery to Telangana. Readers would do well to check out the link
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/hyderabad/End-to-T-row-Form-Rayala-Telangana/articleshow/5515114.cms
Mr. Srinivas.G
Why do you think that we are sleeping all these years? Didn't you see Telangana people questioned the Govt. in 1969? How do you think the GO610 was passed? It is unfortunate in India that those will be remembered in the history which makes people more excited. Does any one know Duscharla Satyanarayana who fought peacefully over a decade for there problems? I don't surprise if many people say they don't know. But every one knows KCR because the way of he coming into head lines with his voilent talks and attacking other leades. SO the same way our leaders urged many times in the state Assumbly about the problems.
We keep asked when ever agreements were broken, you just wokeup today and asking all these questions. You need to remember one more thing that if no one is asking then it doesn't mean that you can break the law.
Please do not talk about courts. What did your Andhra leaders did when Suprime Courte favours the Mulki Rules? You stated the Jai Andhra movement and forced the central to nullfy the supreme court ruling. If you didn't like the mulki rules, then you shouldn't sign that in the first place. After that you agreed on six point formula, did you stand on that? no, why it is soooo difficult for you guys to stand on your own word?
How many times you caught red handedly steling funds and jobs? Have you changed your way atleast after that?
The Gentlemen’s Agreement was violated in 1956 itself when Sanjiva Reddy, the first Chief Minister of Andhra Pradesh, refused to name any Telangana minister as Deputy Chief Minister saying that the Deputy Chief Ministership is like the unwanted sixth finger of the hand. The Deputy Chief Ministership rule, like the other rules, were never followed since then. The funny thing is Sanjiva Reddy was Andhra State's Deputy CM.
//Do you guys have any respect on indian judiciary system or constitution. No state in india is formed based upon hatred. //
If you have respect, then why did you broke the agreements and trashed several GOs and reports like GirGlani?
//You separatists say that thousands of telangana lives were destroyed becuase of broken agreements. So do you say that for that, even if you threaten and assault people and destrooy properties from other dists is justified?//
First you should apolozige for your broken promises and discrimination then talk about your problems. You do not want to talk about past but you want to talk about how very few problems your people facing. I do not see any individual from Andhra are filed a FIR in police station.
//The morale behind agreements and Go's is to keep Telangana area growing economically.//
Is it? So why the six point formula and GO610 are trashed? Do you ever read the Girglani report?
//Mr Nalamotu clearly said how much development had been there in Telangana for all these years.//
If the do not trust Prof. Jaya Sankar's data then why should I trust his data? Numbers can be manipulated but not the reocrds about the agreements and GOs. If Telangana is developd like Nallamotu said, then why Govt. is afraid to release such data?
//When you say that RR dist does not have a degree college, why dont you speak the fact that, highest number of enginnering colleges permission was given to Nalgonda and RR dists in entire AP?//
Do you mean the private engineering colleges? Greate..
And if a guy in rangareddy do not have capacity to study Engineering, then he should stop his education in intermediate, because there are no govt. degree colleges in his near by place.
There are many youtube links and news article links are posted in this commetns section, first read them and come back here to post something.
If you people are soooooo want united andhra, then why didn't you agitated when your leaders accepted for saperate telangana before elections? First kick there as-s and we can talk later. And more over your leaders proved one more time that they do not stand on there words.
One more thing, if you read the district news papers of telangana, in those atleast two pages will cover with peaceful agitations for telangana, those will not come to head lines. and you are not interested to read them. you guys always want to talk about current few minor settlers problems and hyderabad but I so no one talked about what problems telangana people are facing. If you want to continue stealing jobs then why should we love you? 2lak non-locals in Telangana is not a small number.
Kiran Kamisetty Garu,
1. //But every one knows KCR because the way of he coming into head lines with his voilent talks and attacking other leades. SO the same way our leaders urged many times in the state Assumbly about the problems.//
KCR himself requested to abolish zonal system in AP go to youtube and check for the video clip of TV9.
What Telangana leaders you are talking about now?
2.//We keep asked when ever agreements were broken, you just wokeup today and asking all these questions. You need to remember one more thing that if no one is asking then it doesn't mean that you can break the law.//
when gentlemens agreement was broken When separate telangana was the main objective alwayays, why in 1972 our T leaders signed on six point formula. That was their best opportunity to get separated. Why did they sign on six point formula which clearly mentions that secretariat hyd police does nt come under local category? Now you people ask all these questins after 35
years like just woke up babies?
//First you should apolozige for your broken promises and discrimination then talk about your problems. You do not want to talk about past but you want to talk about how very few problems your people facing. I do not see any individual from Andhra are filed a FIR in police station//
WHere in the agreement it is mentioned that andhra leaders are "caretakers" of these agreements.First Telangana leaders and intelelcts have to apologize to entire people of Telangana and andhra for unable to do their job properly. It is their responsibility to monitor the activities and raise objections in parliament regularly to avoid possible mess ,as the majority of points are there to safegaurd telangana people.
//If you have respect, then why did you broke the agreements and trashed several GOs and reports like
GirGlani?//
Where in the indian constitution says that violation of a rule or agreemnt in india is disrespecting
constitution or judiciary? Where in the constitution it is mentioned that all commissions have to be followed?Did any where in constitution mentioned that in such cases people can go on to streets and start doing vandalism which T supporters are doing now and you are supporting them? This is infact a criminal case and people doing and supporting can be prosecuted by court.
//And if a guy in rangareddy do not have capacity to study Engineering, then he should stop his education in intermediate, because there are no govt. degree colleges in his near by place.//
Local MLA's have to show evidence that they tried for a degree college and govt didnt get.
when govt promoted engg education in RR and allootted high number of engg colleges compared to rayalaseema and andhra, and you keep asking for one degree college, how a neutral indian understand your argument about discrimination of RR in educational sector?
//If you want to continue stealing jobs then why should we love you//
Which gentlemens agreement it is mentioned that andhra enterprenours will contrinute for driving state economy and provide jobs to all AP people. If you dont love them why should they give employemtn appportunites to telangana people ,in their industries and hospitals in Hyd, RR and Medak dists?
Brother, please realize how your TRS tutorials are making you as violent supporters, dum and loosing balanced thinking and insulting Telangana culture.
Thank you.
Sriniavas G
//KCR himself requested to abolish zonal system in AP go to youtube and check for the video clip of TV9//
Yes, he did say that, he also said that he had no idea of suffering of telangana people at that time. After talking to intellectuals like Jayashnkar, he understood the gravity of the problem. Hence he considers Prof Jayashankar to be his guru. Isnt this being very fair, unlike your seemandhra politicians.
//when gentlemens agreement was broken When separate telangana was the main objective alwayays, why in 1972 our T leaders signed on six point formula. That was their best opportunity to get separated. Why did they sign on six point formula which clearly mentions that secretariat hyd police does nt come under local category? Now you people ask all these questins after 35
years like just woke up babies?//
Because our telangana leaders and people belived in andhra people and their leaders and respected smt indira gandhi; word. Then again our seemaandhra leaders have taken it it as weekness and were at their usual best. None of this talk would have come if tehy would have implemneted any of the 5 points in 6 point formula. But the 6 point was implemented. You should ask yourself why?
//Where in the indian constitution says that violation of a rule or agreemnt in india is disrespecting
constitution or judiciary? Where in the constitution it is mentioned that all commissions have to be followed?//
This shows your superisitic attitude. be sensible. It might not be in constitution, but in society if you divert from promises, you know what you are called?
//Did any where in constitution mentioned that in such cases people can go on to streets and start doing vandalism which T supporters are doing now and you are supporting them? This is infact a criminal case and people doing and supporting can be prosecuted by court//
No one in telangana supports vanalism or violence, but did the media, govt, people of seemaandhra and you in specific take this issue seriously anytime in the last 8 years when the movement was peaceful. People in India only react when there is such stuff. People in seemanhra have no rite to talk about seperate telangana now, then should have done when TDP, Congress and PRP put telangana in their manifesto. You should have raised the voice then, you should have elected all independents.Isn't this blatant truth.
//Local MLA's have to show evidence that they tried for a degree college and govt didnt get.
when govt promoted engg education in RR and allootted high number of engg colleges compared to rayalaseema and andhra, and you keep asking for one degree college, how a neutral indian understand your argument about discrimination of RR in educational sector?//
Harish Rao has spoken about this in assembly in 2008. 2 years and nothing has happened. Regarding Engg colleges, this movement is about Govt Spending and not private spending. Hence there is no comparision to govt degree collges and pvt engg colleges.
//Which gentlemens agreement it is mentioned that andhra enterprenours will contrinute for driving state economy and provide jobs to all AP people. If you dont love them why should they give employemtn appportunites to telangana people ,in their industries and hospitals in Hyd, RR and Medak dists?//
Again, this is not about private investments. its about govt investment. Coming to gentlemen agreement, there s clear agreement that no agriculture land should be brought by any non telanganite in tealngana region. Current rangareddy district was agriculture district pre 1996.
Why dont you people understand that this movement is not about TRS or KCR. This is about people. Its when you people realize and understand this then will you start looking rationally. You all are in state of mind of hating TRS and KCR. come out of it. Otherwise you will become lunatics. Also understand every word of hatred that u or ur leaders utter about him, he is gaining that much popularity here in masses. KCR only started a political angle to this movement, which is very important. The TDF, TVV and other telangana organizations existed much before KCR started TRS.
//KCR himself requested to abolish zonal system in AP go to youtube and check for the video clip of TV9.//
So is your politicians too. didn't they agreed for Saperate Telangana few months back? You need to remember one thing, most of the Telangana people do not like KCR, but they want Telangana. That's why you see KCR got very few seats and now the movement is at peak so that every politician has to work for Telangana.
//when gentlemens agreement was broken When separate telangana was the main objective alwayays, why in 1972 our T leaders signed on six point formula.//
Atleast we tried one more time to be united with another agreement even though we loose some thing with this if you compared with previous agreement. Before asking us, why don't you tell me why you signed the Gentlemen Agreement and Six Point Formula if you are not intend to stand on? If you sign, then you should stand on that.
//WHere in the agreement it is mentioned that andhra leaders are "caretakers" of these agreements.//
Its not in the agreements, but you know you got major share of funds and jobs(which is not we are agreed on before). If it is happened by mistake then why don't you start fixing it? Your guys are in the CM posts all the time. Do you have dare to implement GO610? or Six Point Formula? If you have, then you should have done long back.
//It is their responsibility to monitor the activities and raise objections in parliament regularly to avoid possible mess ,as the majority of points are there to safegaurd telangana people.//
Looks like our Govt. has dumb ears. From the time of TRS formation they are keep asking about implementation of GO610. It is been more than 9years, after that the Girglani Commission report came out in around 2005. Did our govt. did anything in all these years? nope.. How else do you want to ask?
//Where in the indian constitution says that violation of a rule or agreemnt in india is disrespecting
constitution or judiciary? Where in the constitution it is mentioned that all commissions have to be followed?//
So you agreeing that you don't follow agreements and you do not listen to commission reports. And you do what ever you think it is right. And if you are not interested to listen our voice then we better off separated.
//This is infact a criminal case and people doing and supporting can be prosecuted by court.//
You steal the jobs illegally, and we should not question. If we qustion then you put us in court. Great.
//and you keep asking for one degree college, how a neutral indian understand your argument about discrimination of RR in educational sector?//
Engineering colleges sanctioned may be some time in the Mr. Srinivas. G
1990s or 2000? So what about the past? Doesn't it the shame not having a degree college for entire district for whole 40years ?
//Which gentlemens agreement it is mentioned that andhra enterprenours will contrinute for driving state economy and provide jobs to all AP people.//
Don't you know the local rules exists thruout our country? A local candidate must be priorotize of Govt. job? And we do have agreement about the share of jobs. Have you ever heard of GO610? Do you know the background of that? Do you know why NTR govt. pass that GO? Do you know what is Six Point Formula?
Please, you go and read the history first. I am no fan of TRS or KCR. I even hate them. I never read the Jayashankar report. I just read the wikipedia article about telangana. And please stop supporting your looting of our jobs.
srinivas.G
Dear Srinivas.G
By the way do you know the exact reason why Andhra saperated from Madras? Because you just feared (nothing actually happened)that you will be bullied in Madras because you are minority !!
And in our case we seen much already about your discrimination. If you support your Madras movement then we are also in the same page.
What is happenning here is a continuous vomiting of hate by t fascists. Even when the jobs involved are a significant minority of total jobs in AP, even though far more injustices have happen to daliths in job to the benefit of doras these fascist make it as if it is the most important thing for them. It is like asking death sentence for a trafic offense. Anyway when people are this under developed morally and consumed with hate it is pretty difficult to reason with them. The KU polikeka has illustrated that this is not a sustainable "movement". Please visit kufr.blogspot.com for a series of well articulated articles on t separatism.
Kiran,
Good that you have now agreed that there were jobs given to non locals. Number is not important (BTW 60,000 and above is no less number) its the means that are important. The KU polikeka was roaring success, whatever you mite think. I dont how dividing the state will effect you unless you are realtor in hyderabad or have illegal lands. Can you please through some lite on this.
To all Samikyavadis,
Please tell us why we should not be seperated, i mean what problems will seemandhra state have with formation of telangana?
Where did you get the number from ? its not true. Morover there are telanganis too working in other zones . In fact the people significantly affected when the govt implemented GO 610 are north telangani pople working in hyderabad as both are different zones With highcourt giving a judgement that 6 point formula does not apply to hyderabad – the socalled "illegal" will fall drastically. As I said in another post you guys are clueless about administration or reality.
Kiran,
it is you who are vomiting hate by using words like facist. readers would do well to remember an article posted by kiran on the tribal leader on sammakka sarakka subject. The leader never mention anything bad or derogatory about the movement. It is Mr Kiran, who have been propogating hatred with the usage of his vocabulary. If you cant win an argument, please dont post.
What a silly personal attack. Ofcourse I call this movement fascist not the guy in the link but he did warn t jac not to appropriate a tribal culture in to telangani culture. Dont blame your lack of reading comprehension on me.
Kiran,
Stop you crocodile tears for dalits see the following to know how doing more bad to dalits.
Padirikuppam (Chittor)
5 January 1983 Four dalits killed and 80 families rendered homeless following an attack by upper caste TDP supporters.
Karamchedu (Prakasham)
17 July 1985 Six dalits killed and three dalit women raped in a mass assault by hundreds of forward caste men of the Kamma caste.
Hasnapur (Adilabad)
13 June 1985
8 July 1985
Reddy landlords closely related to the MLA, Adilabad, killed two youth of the Dhobi and barber castes on these two days respectively, for refusal to procure a prostitute on their demand.
Avdhapur (Medak)
17 January 1986 Landlords belonging to the TDP set fire to 30 houses of dalits.
Neerukonda (Guntur)
15 July 1987 One elderly dalit murdered in a mob attack by men of the Kamma community.
Gudiada (Vizianagaram)
15 July 1987 One dalit labourer killed in a dispute over a small patch of tankbed land by a mob of backward caste farmers led by a forward caste (Raju) Congress Party leader.
Dontali (Nellore)
27 August 1987 One person of a backward caste was killed in an assault by a gang of forward caste men.
Chirala (Prakasham)
13 August 1987 A principal witness in the Karamchedu murder case done to death by Karamchedu killers.
Bandilapalli
27 November 1987 Four dalits beaten and stabbed to death in an assault by a group of forward caste men.
Kodavatikallu
2 February 1988 Dalit labourer murdered by a landlord.
Beernakallu (Nellore)
19 January 1989 A dalit upasarpanch of the village killed by TDP landlord. Gokarajupalli 16 January 1989 A dalit labourer killed by landlords.
Tangutur (Prakasham)
3 March 1989 A dalit woman raped and burnt to death by a forward caste TDP strong man.
Jabbargudem (Ranga Reddy)
27 April 1989 One dalit killed in a mass assault by the henchmen of a TDP landlord.
Pippara (West Godavari)
4 June 1989 One dalit killed in a mass assault by forward caste men led by village upasarpanch.
Chinakada (Vizianagram)
31 July 1989 Four tribals of one family killed by henchmen of a liquor contractor.
Pulivendula (Cuddapah)
16 February 1990 More than 150 houses of a ST set on fire and destroyed by a mob led by Congress Party (I) Sarpanch
Kanchikacherla (Krishna)
19 March 1990 Dalit farm servant killed by youth of a landlord’s family.
Jeerupalem (Srikakulam)
21 May 1990 About 180 houses of fishing people set on fire at the behest of Congress Party (I) landlord.
Gutlapadu (West Godavari)
19 May 1990 Two dalits killed in a mass assault by forward caste men.
Reddypalli (Rangareddy)
12 February 1990 A tribal peasant burnt alive by men of a landlord close to local M.L.A.
Kothapulavandla Palli (Ananthapur)
6 June 1990 A dalit burnt alive by forward caste men.
Kaspa Gadabavalasa (Vizianagaram)
22 November 1990 Four tribals and a harijan killed in a mass assault by forward caste men.
Chillakallu (Krishna)
28 November 1990 A dalit SI of police shot himself dead due to casteist harrassment of CI.
Moodurallapalli (Kurnool)
18 March 1991 A dalit labourer beaten and stabbed to death by a mob of forward caste men.
Timmasamudram (Prakasam)
January 1991 Dalits driven out of the village by an attack of forward caste men owing allegiance to a TDP leader.
Chundur (Guntur)
6 August 1991 At least 8 and up to 20 dalits killed in a mass assault by forward caste men of six villages.
Gokarajupalli (Krishna)
3 August 1991 Dalit labourer killed by forward castes.
Chakravarthy Garu,
Also applies to AMRAO, Prabhakar, Mallikarjuna Sarma and all people propogating united AP.
Its been a week since i have posted the details of jalayagnam and have also promised that if someone of you prove me wrong that pothhireddpadu and polavaram are projects (which are high prirority) that i will go and propogate being united state, none of you have come back with any data. Can we know come to a conclusion that we have proven our case for telangana.
In my above comment please read as follows
… following to know who doing more bad to dalits.
Ap government provides employment to 12.5 lakhs ..except other castes(OC) every minority/caste/group is underrepresented. Constitutional reservations to daliths have been violated. The so-called injustice to upper caste telangis is no big deal at all even though it too can be discussed. But i find something really fishy and disgusting at the obsession of a few thousand jobs which was never articulated by telangani minister after minister with any sort of passion for the last sixty years. But now bloody t nris who voted against telangana and ap and india with their feet and neither they nor their kids are likely to aspire for these jobs are obsessed about this ? what is going on here ? t nris more passionate about government jobs than thousands of t legislators across the several assemblies we have had ? Did not KCr complain on the floor of the house about how GO 610 is impeding educational development of telangana ?
t separatists here are a clueless hatefilled bunch who dont have faintest idea about administration or society. Everything can be discussed and at moment the best thing you(t separatists) can do is – keep away from those discussions – leave it to saner heads.
BTw did you guys visit the blog kufr.blogspot.com ?
Dear Kiran,
So when I proved that you guys are more dangerous to dalits now you U turn and talk about jobs with base less arguments. Can you show me a third party website where it saying only few hundred/thousund Andhraites illegally appointed in Telangana? Girglani report saying that number is around 2 laks. I am not sure from where you got the information that total Govt. jobs in AP are 12.5laks. What I know so far is it is around 8.5-9 laks. You agree that there are illegally appointed Andhras in Telangana, and you do not want to do anything about it. But you want us to stop our agitations. How funny it is….
Do you have any statistics about these job numbers you are talking about? Can you show me any where in the web? You cant, and I know it. That's why you are losing your temper.
Why you want to talk about KCR and his 1996 statement? Did you forget your Yerram Naidu supported Telangana in last elections(just few years back) and now working againsts it? there are toooo many of your leaders did accepted telangana just before Chidambaram's first statement and showed there second tongue next day. Why dont you ask them first?
You need to see the KCR video clearly, he did talk about the zonal system but not the GO610. Atleast do you know what is GO610 about? The main purpose of that GO is to move the identified over 50,000 non locals govt. employees to there local places. And that GO passed in 1985. In that period 50,000 govt jobs is not a small number and govt. jobs are the major source of the employment at that time. And this GO was never started the implementation, so there is nothing to talk about stoping it.
You keep asking that our leaders didn't question this for past 60 years, so you think that 1969 agitation was not question. Creation of GO610 was not by question. And have seen each and every assumbly session to know whether any one asked or not? And KCR is keep asking for past 9years, so what have you done? This way you simply concluded yourself that you loot our jobs as long as no one questions. As per indian constitution you are a thief if you claim which is not belongs to you.
You Andhraites are soooo ignorant to think that the Telangana movement is KCR's movement. hahahah. KCR was a proved to be looser in the last elections. You you need to remember the fact that when he wants to stop his fasting in the middle, people forced him to continue. He is not the king of Telangana.
When ever a Andhraites not able to debate, they divert the topic towards KCR/TRS. funny…..remember one thing. KCR is for Telangana but Telangana is not for KCR. You need to see the difference.
So now you started blaming NRIs because they started questioning your looting? Yeah, we do not have a clue about the administration and society, and does you defination of administration/society includes Telangana?
"Do you have any statistics about these job numbers you are talking about? Can you show me any where in the web? You cant, and I know it. "
So you admit you dont know about statistics and these job numbers. Not just in AP but throughout India it is hard to get information about government employeees and their caste composition. There are reasons for it – something your dimwit brain may not understand as of now.
"Can you show me a third party website where it saying only few hundred/thousund Andhraites illegally appointed in Telangana? Girglani report saying that number is around 2 laks. I am not sure from where you got the information that total Govt. jobs in AP are 12.5laks. What I know so far is it is around 8.5-9 laks."
You just said there is nothing on the net which shows statistics on jobs. From where exactly are you farting this numbers ?
"You need to see the KCR video clearly, he did talk about the zonal system but not the GO610. Atleast do you know what is GO610 about"
Thanks for once again proving you are as clueless as before. Do you know the basis of GO 610 and the fact it is premised on six point formula. Centre or the state no longer recognize regions but only zones.
"This way you simply concluded yourself that you loot our jobs as long as no one questions. As per indian constitution you are a thief if you claim which is not belongs to you"
If you are so sure about illegality why dont think anyone of these t agitators approach court ? they know they dont have a case.
I doubt whether I can continue engaging people so under developed in morality ethic etc.
By the way did you guys visit http://sujaiblog.blogspot.com/
http://sujaiblog.blogspot.com/
Yes, It's a a paid blog and created to increase hate. political people acting as andhra and telangana people and writing hate messages. ( All hate messages in that are written by political class)
Basically it is a political blog and created to highlight those hate messages to create more differences among regions common people.
Also I think that BLOGS author is wrong in every sense. In summary he says that we should all support all the local agitations for separate state or country ( LOOK AT HIS OPINION ON KASHMIR AND KASHMIR PANDITS) instead of solving the issues. If we go according to his logic we had to divide andhra predesh in 50 states and India in 10000 states.
Kiran,
Thanks for your conclusion. I told you many times before and I tell you one more time. GO610 was passed to fix the discrimination happened in Telangana Zones. There are many zones in AP but particularly the Telangana Zones are discriminated. GO610 proves only the illegal appointments of govt jobs.
And if you do not have state govt jobs statistics lets talk about girglani report, have you heard about that report? Read back the comments to find a link about girglani report summary published in eenadu news paper. You are cluless about this info i guess.
I didnt said nothing in the net shows the statistics, I said I need to see the third party website like wikipedia or something like that but not from kurf.blogspot or sujaiblog.blogsport or myteluguroots.com. Go and read the wikipedia, there are many links provided to third party websites(news papers etc) in those articles.
Center or state may not recognize by region but it is fact in any way that telangana zones are discriminated. Why do you want to assume the jobs statistics, girglani report is sound and clear.
Whe did tried courts before, have you hared how your andhra leaders nullified supreme court rule with act of parliment? You dont respect supreme court orders but you ask us to go courts.
We do not want to do the gate keeper job forever to see if you are stealing or not. If we get saperated then we can spend our time on something else.
If you read the history you will know that you have a habit of stealing funds, jobs etc. Read Nallamotu book, that is also tell you whether you stole in the past or not.
One more time, GO6610 was pased to fix the illegally appointed govt jobs which is over 50,000. And it was never implemented.
That is the reason none of your leaders talk about GO610 or Six Point Formula. Show me a single leader of yours stating that GO610 was implemented. And ask your leaders actually what is GO610.
Girglani report also shows telanganites stealing jobs from Hyderabad region. The common thread in all this is that people are going to state capital where all the jobs are concentrated. People exploit opportunities and loop holes in every way. That is a universal human nature. For you it is a rare opportunity to invent race and propagate despicable racism between people of same origin. Where did you come up with 50,000 plus figure in Girglani report. Looks like you are the one that didn't read the report? Prof Jaya shankar even comes up with a figure of 200,000 plus jobs. Such was the moral bankruptcy of these separatists. According to figures from all the departments the total number of jobs was not even 10000. Even to correct this, it is fraught with legal landmines. All you guys are interested is finding excuses to have a case for separate T. We all know why. It appears from TOR of Srikrishna commission, even central govt, notwithstanding PC and his bias against AP, knows the agenda of separatists.
Ved you are much right.
Here is the summary of report avoiable on Telangana site http://www.telangana.org/Papers/article16.asp.
It primarily talks voilation of Presidential Order in Zones V and VI. Even this voilations were not attributed to Andhra & Seema people directly.
Some numbers were mentioned in following cases
Workcharged establishment
Today, their number is 40,870. Of these 17,161 are in Irrigation, 5849 in Roads & Buildings Department, 6860 in Panchayat Raj Engineering Department and the rest in other departments. Surplus staff including a part of the workcharged establishment totalling to 21,866 has also been kept outside the Presidential Order while absorbing them in regular posts. Such exclusion is even more unjustifiable. These have to be brought under the Local Cadres.
It was complained that ITDAs thousands of teachers recruited were non-locals.
The most concrete and glaring case is that of 694 AEEs taken by Panchayat Raj Engineering Department without following the local candidate and local cadre rules.
A sampling of 17 Head of Department Offices shows that LDC level and upwards, District Cadre and Zonal Cadre posts approximately 50% only are held by locals.
Five posts of Lecturers in the Collegiate Cell of the SCERT (a State Level Office as per GSR 527),
These job numbers are total and not just the voilations only. These numbers do not add up to even 50 thousand.
Another important observation of Girgalani is
Statistically even the figures of locals and non-locals collected by the department of planning show percentage of non-locals in zones V and VI ranging between 3.42% and 11.63%. Hyderabad District shows just below 20%. The question is not the number of non- locals or the percentage but how many of the non-locals are there in violation of the Presidential Order.
The last sentence is very clear about Non-locals in voilation of Presidential Order.
Telangana proponents are misinterpreting the "non-locals" as Andhra and Seem people.
Hope srikrishna committe will expose these myths in Jobs and Water sharing.
Hi Kiran, Prabhakar, Sampath and others
I have been going through this blog for more than a week and i do want to put my thought or questions on it. An excellent piece of arguments are made so far and i can you are fighting for a good cause whether its seperation or united.
But i dont see anyone is giving that guarantee that there can always be exceptional growth if true politics are in place. Are we all dumbs to just listen to the fools (politicians) who had their own manifesta/agenda to become popular. You all know that this state / region can be made so much developed if we can stop corruption. You all know that any corrupted politician/enterprenuer/govt official to get down to their feet if all intellectuals are put infront of the unbiased courts. In all the regions Politicians are sitting in A/C rooms and discussing while thier "dhanda" is going on the other side silently. If you are really interested to make the state/region better why not the TRUE MAN/WOMAN come out and participate in politics? The amount of time you spent here can also be spent in politics too. What have you done to your area/region to speak open that system need to be changed. Do you all agree that we ourself still corrupt the offices ourselves. All the development is stopped because this state has been looted by corrupt politicians. How many crores does YSR have in his bank. How many crores does KCR has in his Bank. Are they are really doing this for the people. No!! i would say.
The fact is we all become the toys in the hands of corrupted system and politics. Had the OU students spend their valuable time to fight against corrupted system this would have been much more better country. Had they concentrated on the issues of their own region and tried to stop the corruption then it would have been much more better situation.
What will happen after a new state formed? Again the same so called leaders will have their own benefits. Can you promise that these politicians will stop looting? No. Not at all. Again, see the situation. All parties have their own agenda. The students who fought for this will they continue on the corrupted system? Seperation will need to be done between politics and political agenda. The bloody (sorry about my language) indian politicians have no limitations to it. Look at the people of state who are particularly below poverty. Are they are willing to vote to a true leader who is not corruupted without "vote for note".
As a responsible citizen do you take oth to stop the corruption. Bring out the money that is in the politicians pockets. Then you will see the real world. Give educate the little children known in your nearest area and motivate them to stop corruption.
I bet no one in this forum cant spend time to look into that including me. I am no exceptional for this. Because, at the end of the day we have to look at our family. This is the simple sentiment the leaders are cashing. There is no end to this struggle even after seperation. You life is defined to go with it.
I agree argument is worth doing but where it ends? If there is no result on the argument why do you waste your time here. Rather, spend some time to think about corruption.
Stop CORRUPTION. Every where corruption. To do this, younger honest generation need to come into politics. Educated people must come and rule the indian politics.
We are all friends here i believe and my words are towards the true leadership rather than politics. Please dont be one of the fools listening to them. Make your own sense of thinking to judge is it going to change the SYSTEM tomorrow?
I am sorry if i hurt anyone. Sorry for not giving me my identity becuase it makes no sense of differentiation. I would love to be called as a Telugu MAN rather than a ANDHRA/TELENGANA/RAYALASEEMA man.
Regards
Srinivas
i shall give you a single quote …Tell me one degree college in Ranga Reddy District…. to give you another one Even People are not getting Drinking water for the District Head quarters of Mahabub nagar when most of the Krishna River flows from the district Leave aside the Agriculture cultivation ..
I think you would have made very good money with your Telugu roots. Great business man. Nice way of using sentiments to make some money. But I hate all your false representations.
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