యూ.పి.ఏ. జూలై 30 2013న మన రాష్ట్ర విభజనకు అనుకూలంగా నిర్ణయం తీసుకున్న నేపధ్యంలో విశాలాంధ్ర మహాసభ తెలుగు జాతి ఐక్యత కోసం ప్రజల్లో చైతన్యం కలిగించటానికి రాష్ట్ర వ్యాప్త సమైక్యత యాత్రకు ఆగష్టు 6, 2013న శ్రీకారం చుట్టింది. మొదటి దశలో రాయలసీమ ప్రాంతంలో, రెండవ దశలో కోస్తా ప్రాతంలో పర్యటించింది. రాష్ట్ర ప్రభుత్వం అడ్డుకోకపోతే, మూడవ దశలో నైజాం ప్రాతంలో పర్యటించాలన్నది మా కోరిక. సమైక్యత యాత్ర కోస్తా, రాయలసీమలోని పదమూడు జిల్లాలలో మూడు వేల కిలోమీటర్లు దూరం సాగింది. ప్రజలు ఊరు ఊరు వాడ వాడ ముక్త కంఠంతో కోరుకుంటున్నది 23 జిల్లాలతో కూడిన హైదరాబాద్ రాజధానిగా ఉండే సమైక్యాంధ్రప్రదేశ్ రాష్ట్రము. దీనిలో ఎట్లాంటి బేరసారాలకి తావులేదని స్పష్టంగా చెపుతున్నారు ప్రజలు.
తెలుగు జాతి ఐక్యత ఒక పవిత్ర లక్షంగా మన పెద్దలు భావించారు కాబట్టే 1956లో మన రాష్ట్ర ఆవిర్భావం జరిగింది. 1953లో మద్రాస్ ప్రెసిడెన్సీ నుంచి విడిపోయి ఆంధ్ర రాష్ట్రం ఆవిర్భవించినప్పుడు, వెనుకబడ్డ రాయలసీమ ప్రాంత ప్రజలు కర్నూల్ రాజధానిగా ఉండాలని కోరారు. కోస్తా ప్రాంత ప్రజలు పెద్ద మనసుతో కర్నూల్ ని రాజధానిగా అంగీకరించారు. 1956లో ఆంధ్ర ప్రదేశ్ రాష్ట్రం ఆవిర్భవించినప్పుడు, హైదరాబాద్ రాజధానిగా ఉండటానికి అనుకూలమయిన నగరం. వెనుకబడ్డ ప్రాంతమయినప్పటికీ రాయలసీమ ప్రజలు కర్నూలు రాజధాని వదులుకొని, సమైక్య తెలుగు రాష్ట్రానికి రాజధానిగా హైదరాబాద్ ఉండటానికి అంగీకరించారు. ఇక ఆంధ్ర ప్రదేశ్ రాష్ట్ర ఆవిర్భావానికి మార్గం సుగుమం చేయటానికి బూర్గుల రామకృష్ణ రావు ముఖ్యమంత్రి పదివిని త్యజించారు. అన్ని ప్రాంతాల ప్రజలు నాయకుల నిస్వార్ధ త్యాగాల ఫలితం ఆంధ్ర ప్రదేశ్ రాష్ట్ర ఆవిర్భావం.
దురదృష్టవశాత్తు మన రాష్ట్ర ఆవిర్భావం వెనుక ఉన్న నూరు సంవత్సరాల చరిత్రను మరిచిపోయి, మన రాష్ట్రంలోని మూడు ముఖ్య రాజకీయ పార్టీలు తెలుగు జాతికి వెన్నుపోటు పొడిచాయి. ముందు రెండు కళ్ళ సిద్ధాంతం అన్న తెలుగు దేశం పార్టీ, తరువాత ఒంటి కన్ను సిద్ధాంతంగా రూపాంతరం చెందింది. ఈనాడు ఆ పార్టి అంధకారంలో మునిగిపోయింది. వై.ఎస్.ఆర్ కాంగ్రెస్ పార్టీ తెలంగాణా సెంటిమెంట్ పై మాకు గౌరవముంది అని గత కొన్ని సంవత్సరాలుగా చెప్తూ వచ్చింది. ఇన్ని రోజులు గోడ మీద పిల్లిలా కూర్చున్న ఆ పార్టీ, యూ.పి.ఏ ఇక రెండు మూడు రోజుల్లో విభజనకు నిర్ణయం తీసుకుంటుంది అనగా గోడ మీద నుంచి దూకి ఇప్పుడు సమైక్యం అంటుంది. ఇండియన్ నేషనల్ కాంగ్రెస్ ని బ్రిటిషు వారు స్తాపించారు. బ్రిటిష్ వాళ్ళ “విభజించు పాలించు” సిద్ధాంతాన్ని బాగా వంట పట్టించుకున్నట్టు ఉంది కాంగ్రెస్ పార్టీ. మన రాష్ట్రాన్ని ఎన్ని ముక్కలు చేస్తే తమకు ఎక్కువ వోట్లు, సీట్లు వస్తాయనే ఆలోచనే తప్ప రాష్ట్ర, దేశ ప్రయోజనాలపై దూరదృష్టి లేదు.
రాజకీయ పార్టీలు తమని మోసం చేశాయని గమనించిన ప్రజలు పార్టీలకి అతీతంగా రోడ్లేక్కారు, ఉద్యమిస్తున్నారు. ఈ ఉద్యమానికి నాయకులు లేరు. మన నాయకుల లాగ ఉద్యోగాలు, నిధులు, నీళ్ళ గురించి పెద్దగా పట్టించుకోవటం లేదు జనాలు. ప్రజలు ఒకే ఒక లక్షంతో ముందుకు సాగుతున్నారు- ఆ లక్షం సమైక్యాంధ్ర!
అయితే ప్రజలకు తమ లక్షం స్పష్టంగా ఉన్నప్పటికీ, వాళ్ళు మమ్మల్ని ఎక్కడికి వెళ్ళినా అడిగింది ఉద్యమ తక్షణ కర్తవ్యాలు ఏంటి అని, ఈ ఉద్యమాన్ని లక్ష్య సాధన దిశగా ఎట్లా తీసుకెళ్ళగలం అని. ఉద్యమానికి ఒక రోడ్ మ్యాప్ తీసుకు రావాలి అన్నది వాళ్ళ భావన.
సమైక్యాంధ్ర ఉద్యమ తక్షణ కర్తవ్యం సమైక్యానికి కట్టుబడి ఉన్నామని చెబుతున్న కేంద్ర మంత్రులు, ఎం.పి.లు, ఎం.ఎల్.ఏ ల రాజీనామాలు. మన ప్రజా ప్రతినిధులు చెప్పే కుంటి సాకులు నమ్మే స్థితిలో ప్రజలు లేరు. డిసెంబర్ 9 2009 ప్రకటన వచ్చి మూడు సంవత్సరాలు దాటింది. ఈ కాలంలో సమైక్యానికి కట్టుపడి ఉన్న మంత్రులు, ప్రతినిధులు సాధించింది శూన్యం. పులుల్లా గాండ్రించే మన నాయకులు ఇవ్వాల్టికి కూడా సోనియా గాంధీ గుడ్లు ఉరుమితే పిల్లుల్లా అయిపోతున్నారు. వీరు తెలుగు జాతి ఐక్యత కొరకు పోరాడుతారనుకోవటం అవివేకం. కేంద్రంలో యూ.పి.ఏ. ప్రభుత్వం బొటాబొటి మెజారిటీతో నడుస్తుంది. సమైక్యానికి కట్టుపడి ఉన్నామని చెపుతున్న మంత్రులు, ఎం.పి. లు రాజీనామా చేస్తే కేంద్రంలో రాజకీయ సంక్షోభం వస్తుంది. ప్రభుత్వం పడిపోయి ఎన్నికలు వచ్చే అవకాశం కూడా ఉంది. యూ.పి.ఏ. తలపెట్టిన దుష్కార్యాన్ని ఆపటానికి ఇంతకు మించిన మార్గం లేదు. మన రాష్ట్రానికి చెందినా మెజారిటీ ప్రజా ప్రతినిధులు లేని చట్ట సభలలో రాష్ట్ర విభజన నిర్ణయం తీసుకోవటం అసాధ్యం. అలా చేయటానికి కేంద్ర ప్రభుత్వం సాహసిస్తే రాష్ట్రం అగ్నిగుండం అవుతుంది.
సమైక్యానికి కట్టుబడి ఉన్నామని చెబుతున్న కేంద్ర మంత్రులకి ఎం.పి. లకి ఒక గమనిక. మీ నియోజకవర్గ ప్రజలు కెసిఆర్ కన్నా కూడా మిమ్మల్ని ఎక్కువగా ద్వేషిస్తున్నారు. కళాకారులు రాసే గేయాలలో విమర్శలు, దూషణలు విభాజనవాదుల కన్నా సమైక్యవాద మంత్రులు, ప్రజా ప్రతినిధుల మీద ఎక్కువగా ఎక్కుపెడుతున్నారు. ఉదాహరణకు ఏలూరులో ఒక రోడ్డుపై ఉన్న ఫ్లెక్సి బ్యానర్ పై ఈ విధంగా రాసారు: “గాండ్రించని పులులెందుకు, గర్జించని సింహాలెందుకు, ఘీంకరించని ఎనుగులేందుకు, బుసకొట్టని నాగులెందుకు, గొంతు విప్పని నాయకులెందుకు?ఎందుకు? ఎందుకు?”
లగడపాటి రాజగోపాల్ వంటి సమైక్యవాద నాయకులు ఉద్యమాన్ని చిన్నబుచ్చే మాటలు ఆపి తక్షణమే రాజీనామా చేయాలి. ఆయన ఉపయోగించబోయే బ్రహ్మాస్త్రం ఏంటో తెలియదు కాని అది పిచ్చుక పైన కూడా పనిచేయదని ప్రజలకి తెలుసు. మీరు డిసెంబర్ 9 ప్రకటన వచ్చిన తరువాత మీ తప్పిదాలు గ్రహించి మీ ధోరణి మార్చుకుంటారని అనుకున్నాము. ఒక పక్క విభజనవాదులు రోడ్లేక్కి ఆందోళనలు చేస్తుంటే , గత మూడు సంవత్సరాలుగా మీరు ఏసి గదుల్లో కూర్చుని రెండు వారాలకి ఒక సారి మీడియా వాళ్ళని మీ దగ్గరకి పిలింపించుకొని టివిలలో రంకెలు వేయటం ద్వారా ఉద్యమాన్ని నడిపిస్తున్నామని మీరనుకున్నారు. ఇక నైనా యూ.పీ.ఏ. తీసుకున్న నిర్ణయానికి నైతిక భాద్యత వహించి మీ రాజీనామా ద్వారా రాష్ట్ర ప్రజలికి క్షమాపణలు చెప్పండి. ఈ విజ్ఞ్యప్తి అందరు కేంద్ర మంత్రులు, రాష్ట్ర మంత్రులు, ఎం. పి. లు, ఎం. ఎల్. ఏ. లకు కూడా వర్తిస్తుంది.
ప్రభుత్వ ఉద్యోగులు, ఆర్.టి.సి. కార్మికులు, ఉపాధ్యాయులు, విద్యార్థులు, కోట్లాది మంది సామాన్య ప్రజలు ఉద్యమ బాట పట్టారు. ఉద్యోగులకి నెల జీతాలు రాని పరిస్థితి. సమ్మె మూలంగా ఆర్.టి.సి. ఉద్యోగులకి జీత భత్యాల నష్టమే కాకుండా సంస్థ మనుగడకే ప్రమాదం ఏర్పడింది. విద్యార్థులు ఉపాధ్యాయులు చదువులని పక్కన పెట్టి సమైక్యాంధ్ర కొరకు రోడ్డెక్కారు. ఉద్యోగుల, కార్మికుల, విద్యార్ధుల త్యాగాలకు తెలుగు జాతి ఎప్పటికి రుణపడి ఉంటుంది.
చివరికి బిచ్చగాళ్ళు కుష్టు రోగులు కూడా జే ఏ సి లు పెట్టుకొని ఉద్యమ బాట పట్టారు. కాని మన మంత్రులు, ఎం.పి. లు, ఎం.ఎల్.ఏ. లు మాత్రం జిడ్డులా పదవులని పట్టికొని వేలాడటం చాల విడ్డూరం. పదవుల కొరకు మీరు తెలుగు జాతి ఐక్యతను తాకట్టు పెడితే చరిత్ర మిమ్మల్ని క్షమించదు. నాయకులారా చరిత్ర హీనులు కాకండి, రాజీనామాలు చేయండి ఉద్యమంలో మమేకం కండి.
ఉద్యమ తక్షణ కర్తవ్యమ్ ప్రజా ప్రతినిధుల రాజీనామా అయితే, ఉద్యమ లక్ష సాధనకి ఒక ఐక్య కార్యాచరణ అత్యవసరం. రాష్ట్రంలో వేలాది జే.ఏ.సి. లు ఉన్నాయి. ఈ సంస్థలు చేసే కార్యక్రమాల మధ్య సమన్వయము తీసుకు రావటం చాల ముఖ్యం. ఈ సంస్తలన్నిటిని ఒకే గొడుకు కిందకి తీసుకు రాలేము, తీసుకు వచ్చే ప్రయత్నం కూడా చేయకూడదు. ఈ ఉద్యమం ప్రత్యేకత నాయకులు లేకపోవటం. దానిని మనం స్వాగతించాలి, అలాగే కొనసాగించాలి. అయితే వచ్చే రెండు మూడు నెలల పాటు ఏ కార్యక్రమాలు చేయాలి, ఏమి చేస్తే కేంద్ర ప్రభుత్వం పై ఒత్తిడి తీసుకు రావచ్చు అని అలోచించి ఒక క్యాలెండర్ తయారు చేసుకోవలసిన అవసరం ఎంతో ఉంది. ఈ ఐక్య కార్యాచరణని రాష్ట్రవ్యాప్తంగా అన్ని జే.ఏ.సి. లని సమన్వయపరిచి అందరం ఒకే తాటిపై నడవటానికి కృషి చేయాలి.
నలమోతు చక్రవర్తి
అధ్యక్షులు
విశాలాంధ్ర మహాసభ
Some one told intelligence reports and surveys says congress is going to loose in centre 2014. The effect of dividing the state of A.P will make them sit in opposition. Poor rahul shd wait for another 5 yrs to try his luck because of his mothers sin.
you have to face because of Andhra leaders sin.
Current agitation for JaiAP is to oppose TG separatists utter lies.
what is the GOAL ? Just to Prove some thing as lies OR for People Betterment ? If it is just for lies…then you need to re-think of your goal and time ? If I take a stand like you Guys … No Matter what ..I will work for betterment …
Decision based lies will not be useful for betterment of people. Therefore current agitation is to oppose the TG separatists lies, which means to avoid obstruction to betterment of people.
Did Union Govt. Announced that they are dividing because of lies ? Are you paying attention to what you are thinking or wrtiting… Do you think Union Govt. will take actions on imporper data ? I have serious doubt that you are not following this country administration system. If your agaitation is Stop Division, it is ok BUT if you agitaion is to stop some lies …. Dude, wake up… what are you doing withour clarity… I wanted to quote now, you movement has NO Janda and Agenda….It will NOT be fruitful
Current agitation is to oppose AP bifurcation. It looks like you know more than Congress politicians. Tell me what CWC used as the basis for AP bifurcation. Is it SKC report?
Wondering how many representatives were you able to approach for resignation and what is success rate? Please share if you can, so we can try and guess what is in the minds of SA politicians. Hope the screening of the drama "if or not T will be formed" ends soon, so we can then debate on any issues araising from the division.
thanks
Today, Mr Charkravarthy was arrested along with some of his collegues when they went to protest at Union Cabinet Minister KS Rao house in Hyderabad.
The same chakravarhy who wrote blogs and chided telangana people when they protested at house of Telangana representatives.
How times change?
Kishore: I do not remember Chakravarthy ever criticizing Telanganites protesting peacefully. Maybe some of his supporters did so but not the blogger himself.
I did not see the news of his arrest. However I am certain he did not attack or abuse KS Rao.
We went to do a peaceful protest and give a petition to KSR. Police in their over-enthusiasm arrested us. Not a single member of our team indulged in violence.
We also debated within the organisation whether it is appropriate to protest at the house. As an MP that is the only official place he has in Hyderabad. If there is an office, we would've certainly gone there. This residence enjoys all official benefits including govt security.
An honest explanation of what happened. VMS earlier efforts of Exhibition shows and opinions from Sahani Nayyar etc in Delhi imparted a significant effort in India and journalists in other countries reg DIvision of AP and after effects. Thats why BBC, Walstreet journal ,Stratfor expressed completely negative views on CWC decision in the first week of Sept.
All these bit by bit things are the game changers. Lets not leave a single chance.
Chakravarthy, by the same token do you agree the young man who waved black flags at the Andhra NGO meeting was well within his rights? The so called integrationists beat him black and blue.
Jai, whom you are talking about? OU student or the constable? Did that person use his right of waving black flag or he attempt to vitiate the right of APNGO’s attending their meeting?
So you support Attacks….you will attack telanagana people if they wave black flag ? Satya do you support this ? Its embarssing to see such comments from you. You goal should NOT be give conter argument, you thought should be to give clean / fair suggestion and thougths …. this is the dourbhagyam in AP we have …both sides…people are exchanding unmatching thoughts hence division is inevitable. If you guys had convinced those guys instead of attacking them would proved that you are good people and you guys are worst than T agaitators who shelved statues.
IT IS TIME TO STOP THIS NONSENSE ABOUT THESE TWO GUYS WHO WENT INTO THE MIDDLE OF A SEA OF PEOPLE AND INVITING THEM TO DO SOME THING SO THAT PEOPLE LIKE YOU CAN CRY ABOUT IT.
IF SOME ONE FROM SEEMA ANDHRA HAD GONE TO O.U. AND DID THE SAME, HE WOULD HAVE BEEN KILLED. JUST ASK NAGAM JANARDHANA REDDY.
A PEOPLE-S REPRESENTATIVE WAS BEATEN IN THE ASSEMBLY PREMISES. THAT MLA DID NOT EVEN OPPOSE TELANGANA. HE MERELY SAID A SEPARATE STATE DOES NOT AUTOMATICALLY BRING A CHANGE IN THE LIVES OF THE COMMON PEOPLE.
IF THERE IS FURTHER DISCUSSION ABOUT THESE TWO GUYS, IT WOULD ONLY BE TREATED AS ATMA VANCHANA.
The unfortunate part of it was that the MLA did not belong to a major party and he does not have goons as his followers. So, he became an easy target.
I saw JP at the airport two days ago. He had two people waiting for him. One was the driver and the other was a gun man provided by the govt.
@Satya:
The student did not obstruct the Andhras from attending the meeting. He only waved black flags.
Anyway I am more keen to know Chakravarthy's opinion. He has sometimes differed with his fellow anti-Telangana friends. Perhaps this is another occassion where he will do so.
An excellent op-ed piece of contemporary interest by Artur Mas, president of Catalonia:
A Referendum for Catalonia
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/09/11/opinion/global/a-referendum-for-catalonia.html?_r=0
Jai,
I am sure 3 quarters of the guys in this blog wouldn't even have heard of or knew there is a region with that name in Spain, the first thing they would have done is googled it… and if they did knew, then god help those guys "Samaikya sega okka uppena la akkada ragilistaru mana Annais" and who knows they may even conduct APNGO's meeting there as well
Keep up the gud work buddy I have been following urs and Sujai's blogs great going mate
Cheers
Chakravarthy Garu,
Vishalandra Mahasabha, an organization you represent says "It is dedicated to the cause of Unity of Telugu People" I have a few questions to ask of you.
1. Does Unity of Telugu people depends on a geographical boundary i.e one state ? If yes, then there are lakhs of Telugu people living in Tamil Nadu. What about them?
2. Your organization says "you seek to celebrate glorious history, ancient language and rich culture of Telugu people" . I have not seen one article or litrature on the webpage of your organization trying to explian, glorify the language, history and culture. Everything is on Telanagana and divison only. Why?
From this it is very evident that your purpose of your organization is stop formation of Telenagana state rather than what it claim to be. Everybody has right to opinion, you have every right voice opinion, but don't do it cheaply by claiming to preserve history & culture of Telugu people. Creation of new state has absolutely nothing to do with it.
Kishore garu,
I have a few questions for you too.
1. Have you read his book My Telugu Roots? The following link gives you the table of contents of his book. The book, I am sure will address your interest in history, culture and unity.
http://www.myteluguroots.com/contents.html
Most importantly, it tells you how the unity came about, sacrifices people made from three sides to form Andhra Pradesh.
2. Does unity of Telugu people depend on a geographical boundary? The answer is NO.
But there are other reasons.
a) In 1956, majority agreed for the unification. As I said, people on all sides made lot of sacrifices to form Andhra Pradesh.
b) Based on that, 57 years have passed. In these 57 years, lot of growth has happenned. This growth is skewed in favour of one region.
c) In 1972, when one of the regions wanted to separate, leaders of Telangana did not agree for the separation. May be, you can answer why?
d) Now, after 57 years and siginificant growth which was missing in 1972, passions have been raised for separation. Tempers have been raised and logic is given a back seat.
e) A division will lead to more issues than solutions. The declaration of a probable solution, with out any details, took 3 years. The actual division will take many more years. In the end, contrary to what you believe, BOTH REGIONS WILL LOSE.
Also, to the best of my knowledge, the so called Telugus living in Tamilnadu speak Tamil, with limited choice. I have not seen any Telugu sign boards in front of shops in Chennai?
In general T vaadis say:
Staying united, we loose everything; cant say what
Dividing, we gain everything; cant say how.
AMRAO Garu,
My response
1. Have you read his book My Telugu Roots? The following link gives you the table of contents of his book. The book, I am sure will address your interest in history, culture and unity.
K – I have read few chapters of the book. There are numerous better books to understand and appreciate Telugu culture than this book. A person who does not even refer to name Telangana which all people of that region identify with and calls it Nizam agaimst whose rule those people faught a great fight does not have any moral right to talk about Telugu culture, unless he considers Telugu as right as the right of only Andhra region. Idi iyna Ahankaraniki nidarshanam.
a) In 1956, majority agreed for the unification. As I said, people on all sides made lot of sacrifices to form Andhra Pradesh.
K – Please learn some real history. If you try to read from this author, he will potray everything in his favour. Coming to the question. What sacrifices Andhra region make? Rayalaseema sacrificed capital. Infact even before Kurnool was made capital of Andhra state, Prakasham patulu and other leaders decided to target Hyderabad as capital. You could do well to listen MV Ramana Reddy of Rayalaseema Hakkula Vedika. Finally with due respect there is no comparison between Kurnool and Hyderabad in 1956. Hyderabad was much more developed and hence Telangana was the one that sacrificied for AP formation.
On majority agreed on unification – Yes most agreed because of political pressure from Nehru. You have understand here many leaders in Andhra had major cloout in Delhi at that time because they participated in Indian freedom movement. On the other Congress leaders in Telangana did not have clout in Delhi baecause Hyderabad seperate country they had to listen to Nehru. If majority people had agreed to formation of AP, there would not have been any Gentlemen's agreement. The fact that such major issues were agreed shows that there major apprehension on Telangana side and great anxiety from Andhra side just get hold of well developed capital city, else no other sane leader would sign on that Gentleman agreement, because as per that agreement Seemandhra people are major loosers. This is also reason why it was never implemented.
b) Based on that, 57 years have passed. In these 57 years, lot of growth has happenned. This growth is skewed in favour of one region.
All 3 regions have grown like most of the states in India. Growth in Telangana is more because Telangana started much behind SA. Just ask the current Govt release a white paper of funds released in 57 years for each region. You will get know the real picture.
c) In 1972, when one of the regions wanted to separate, leaders of Telangana did not agree for the separation. May be, you can answer why?
Indira Gandhi forced it upon Telangana leaders. The presendential agreements and cancellation of Mulki rules against supreme court order was a grave injustice to Telangana people.
d) Now, after 57 years and siginificant growth which was missing in 1972, passions have been raised for separation. Tempers have been raised and logic is given a back seat.
It is all poltical leaders from Andhra like CBN, YSR, Chiranjeevi, Jagan etc agreed for Division. They are reason for today tempers. Blaming TRS is stupidity as it always stood by it's stand.
A division will lead to more issues than solutions. The declaration of a probable solution, with out any details, took 3 years. The actual division will take many more years. In the end, contrary to what you believe, BOTH REGIONS WILL LOSE.
K- Contrary to what you think, both regions will benefit in the long run. No point in being one state when large section of people vociferouly oppose it. I will bet you Chakravarty won't travel in Telangana region. He will still complain, some people are just opposing it and not allowing them travel, but if there are large section of people who will believe in Unity of state, these small section would never win over them.
Finally, next year this time, Telangana will be a new state. GET REAL!
>> I have read few chapters of the book. There are numerous better books to understand and appreciate Telugu culture than this book.
May be there are better books. Chakravarthy did not name it as an encyclopedia of Telugus. Books are written with a scope and viewpoint. Nobody can touch entire subject in one book,. I believe the theme of Chakravarthy's book to put things in perspective with respect to state bifurcation and some historical facts surrounding it. You either have different expectations or not happy with the content because it questions your stand on division.
>>A person who does not even refer to name Telangana which all people of that region identify with and calls it Nizam….
Chakravathy explained this numerous times in the blog and in TV shows, why he chose to call it as Nizam telangana.
>> Infact even before Kurnool was made capital of Andhra state, Prakasham patulu and other leaders decided to target Hyderabad as capital.
During the formation of andhra state, there are leaders from telangana too who proposed hyderabad state to be disintegrated and the city should be made as capital for telugus. why MV Ramana reddy? Please read parliament debates or news papers during that time, avaiable in press academy archives and google archives.
>> What sacrifices Andhra region make? Rayalaseema sacrificed capital.
Think it this way. It is the andhra region that sacrificed the capital twice for the sake of unity of telugu people, once to kurnool, later to hyderabad despite being economically better region than Seema and telangana.
>> Yes most agreed because of political pressure from Nehru. You have understand here many leaders in Andhra had major cloout in Delhi at that time because they participated in Indian freedom movement. On the other Congress leaders in Telangana did not have clout in Delhi baecause Hyderabad seperate country they had to listen to Nehru.
That is your assumption. I can say on the other hand, Nehru is not happy with andhra leaders, because of whose attitude for the formation of andhra brought his govt the head ache of reorganization and the handling of the subsequent issues through out the nation. So he might not want to listen to them. Remember he made statements against the formation of Visalandhra.
It is not your view, my view or MV Ramana reddy matter. Ultimately what happen in the parliament is what matters. Nehru is not a galli leader to take decisions on lobbying and favoritism.
>> If majority people had agreed to formation of AP, there would not have been any Gentlemen's agreement.
Gentlemen agreement is a positive gexture to address the apprehensions of some sections (political & people) mentioned in Fazal Ali.
>>,no other sane leader would sign on that Gentleman agreement, because as per that agreement Seemandhra people are major loosers. This is also reason why it was never implemented.
They are implemented to a larger extent. You are living in denial. There is a telangana regional council, there is deputy CM post during Sanjeevaiah time and there are 33% of ministry from telangana and last but not the least..15 year mulki rules exist.
>> Indira Gandhi forced it upon Telangana leaders. The presendential agreements and cancellation of Mulki rules against supreme court order was a grave injustice to Telangana people.
Don't you see contradicting statements here? On one hand you say GA is not a win win as seemandhra looses because of it, on the other hand removing mulki is an injustice to telangana?
andhra and seema people acceptance of mulki is a time bound(5 yrs and an extension of 5 yrs if required). It is what mentioned in GA too.
There is no injustice to telangana. There is no other state AFAIK, that made special provisions to people of sub region. The maratha and kannada regions that merged with the respective states did not have the luxury. It is the large heartedness of seema and coastal andhra people to agree for such rules.
There is no apparent justification for mulki. infact, the hyderabad state govt itself attempted to alter mulki after the annexation with Indian govt. Demanding such special provisions is against the constitutional spirit.
>> Growth in Telangana is more because Telangana started much behind SA.
AMRao garu talking about concentration of growth in and around hyderabad and rest of the state being neglected industrially.
>> It is all poltical leaders from Andhra like CBN, YSR, Chiranjeevi, Jagan etc agreed for Division. They are reason for today tempers. Blaming TRS is stupidity as it always stood by it's stand.
agreed. The double game of these leaders for short term political gains is the first and formest reason for division. By the way, these are not just andhra leaders, but state leaders.
This is a typical behaviour. Make accusations, divert topics, express outrage and go away.
If he is serious, we can have a discussion on each of thoe topics.
Point no. 2 in Mr. Kishore-s original text was - I have not seen one article or litrature on the webpage of your organization trying to explian, glorify the language, history and culture.
I responded by saying Mr. Chakravarthy wrote a book about the history, culture, etc…
To that, he says there are better books. The question was not whether there are better books. I believe his question is answered.
Now, he tried to divert the question by saying – A person who does not even refer to name Telangana which all people of that region identify with and calls it Nizam.
THE ANSWER TO THIS IS PRETTY SIMPLE. HISTORICIALLY, THE WORD TELANGANA REFERS TO ALL TELUGU SPEAKING AREAS. IN FACT, WE ALL HAVE SEEN MAPS THAT SHOW TELANGANA AS THE CURRENT SEEMA ANDHRA AREAS ALONG WITH WARANGAL, NALGONDA AND KHAMMAM.
HYDERABAD AND NORTHERN AREAS WERE SHOWN AS GOLCONDA.
I have read some here that the word Rayala Seema was coined in 1908 to get rid of the word CEDED. And now, they have established themselves as a separate entity.
Naturally, to bring out this fact which is conveniently ignored by the separatists, Mr. Chakravarthy calls the 10 districts as Nizam Telangana.
May be Mr. Kishore can correct us by getting us an old/histroical map that shows only the 10 districts as Telangana.
Saying there are better books than Chakravarthy's without even reading it is not correct. At the same time, saying the book explains everything is also wrong.
The book is not in the public domain. Chakravarthy, maybe you should publish the book in toto now?
It indeed is in public domain.
You need to spend a little cash and buy it, if you wish to read it in toto.
Ramesh, let Chakravarthy market his book himself. thanks.
JaiGo,
what is the objection if Ramesh wants to market it?
Especially when a born-Andhrite selling the idea of separate Telangana.
I am not marketing anything here. I am just stating the facts. I wish to correct you when you said 'the book is not in the public domain'.
Jai Go, dont u know the difference between marketing and clarifying? Why such obsession to find fault with every comment? or a desperation to prove your smartness?
Sorry, it is almost 2 in the night and I am short on time.
Yes, our primary goal is to stop the division of the state. Yes, geographical boundary does define a cultural unit to the extent possible. We would like to have Bellary, Berahmpur, Yanam etc. also be part of Andhra Pradesh. The current demand for division is rooted in hatred, hence it will be stopped. Please stop preaching about being "cheap". Just go back and look at the language used by the separatists and then come back and tell me who is "cheap". This fight is precisely against people like you.
Two importtant things we need to do.
1. People in the AP movement are not allowing politicians to enter as they understood that these representatives formed as gangs(polished word is political parties) and brought the downfall situation to AP. From Srikakulam to chittor in all demostrations they have to declare by a demo ballot that only "INDEPENDENT" candidates will be elected in next elections and whoever contests as independent will be believed. This will put pressure on the existing MLA's and MP's and this has to be done EVERYWHERE.
2. We need to understand and also debate that, the movement in AP should be called as a "JAI AP" movement and NOT "samaikyandhra" movement. This movement is not about staying together with some individuals. Its about objecting the distruction of AP, its economy, welfare schemes, citizens rights,future prospects and history .
The word JAI ANDHRA PRADESH movement is the one needs to be propagated in the public debates rather than samaikyandhra movement. Intgration (samaikyam) is obviously the by product of AP movement. Because linguistic foundation of INdia and rights of the people are the some of the major issues. Integrationists are obviously aware that "separatists" are not interested in staying in AP.
I agree with you on both the points. Electing independents will teach these parties a lesson and also force them to field candidates who are clean. Until now, every one says they do not have a choice as all parties field candidates who are corrupt. By electing or sending a signal that they will elect independents, parties will be forced to change their candidates.
There is only one catch. The voters must be honest and not take money, liquor, gifts to vote.
Voters take money from all parties and just vote for only for one person…. We need learders to drive people aspiration instead of their busniess / personal aspirations …. One step is needed that Just elimate Business Class from Politics and Retain only Pure Politicians….who are dedicated 365 days for politics and not a single minute for their business or personal agenda.
I appreciate your idea.
What is your response to comments made by TDP Keshav Rao that he will explode human Bombs and APNGO Ashok said, there will be murders and TG Venkatesh Statements and Kiran Kumar Reddy word that he will not give single paisa to telananga ? Do you support these ? Please confirm, atleast do this help to understand about you… dont expect, we read your writings from years. Do you understand the pain we are having in this Andhra Dominated State and Govt. Have you fully travelled Nalgonda Dist… How many locals were employed in India Cements ? How many local employess in Nagarjuna Agro Tech ? How many local employessin cement factories … I am talking of Grade 2 to below NOT officers.. Is telananga locals not eligible for low level jobs atleast ? Why Dont you hightlight those points aswell along with your unity slogan … If you take up fairshare slogan atleast 10% of T vaadis will start understanding you…
One of the most crooked arguements by T sepratists is that supporters of AP unity only like hyderabad and dont care about anything else. The reality they want to hide is that it is they – esp the feudal and novea rich classes from north telangana – who are waiting like hounds to rape hyderabad and milk all its productivity unhindered. Most seemandhra people see hyd not as a capitol or power center but an economic engine which can lift millions out of poverty – its not the feudal symbols of charminar or assembly house or arts college that are important to them but the bustle of kukatpally ,,the economic buzz of hi tech city that matters to them.
But to T sepratists hyd is a symbol of feudal power. Symbolic oppresive structures are what they are after. Rape is the thing they want to do.
Is it fair to say that only the MLAs won by YSR party will count towards Samaikya Andra and not those won by TDP or Congress?
In 2009 assembly elections, Congress won against TRS in telangana though it didn't full-fill 2nd SRC on telangana mentioned in its 2004 election manifesto whereas TDP, which had electroral alligance with TRS, lost in SA region. Wouldn't Congress win and TDP loss count against telangana?
You have understand the promises given by Sonia Gandhi in Karim Nagar meeting and 2004 election promises … those are tall leaders who will stick to promises and not like your SA leader who cheat for votes
Whatever promises Sonia Gandhi made in 2004 elections didn't full fill and yet Congress won in 2009 elections and that to against TRS in telangana. What does it tell you Mr Ravi?
All parties in Telanaga said their stand for PRO-T except CPM in T-Region …How many MLAs / MPs in Telangana WON with United AP Stand ? What does this Tell you MR VK ? You have to political party as a whole and not to you local area. If Congress Stand was for United AP then if they win Telangana it matters. Atleast, for now…can any party contest in Telanagna with United AP stand ? Does this make sense to Mr.VK.
Congress won several elections opposing 1969 telangana agitation. So it (or TDP) can do so again with good governance.
If telangana was an issue in telangana in 2009 elections, people there would have voted to TRS instead of Congress that didn't full fill what it said in its 2004 electiosn manifesto.
@AMRAO:
c) In 1972, when one of the regions wanted to separate, leaders of Telangana did not agree for the separation. May be, you can answer why?
Dr. Parakala Prabhakar made a similar statement in his post called వేర్పాటువాద తిమిరంతో సమరం. He wrote కోస్తా రాయలసీమల్లో విభజన వాదం తలెత్తి నపుడు అంతకు మూడు సంవత్సరాల మునుపు ఆందోళన చేసిన తెలంగాణ వేర్పాటవాద నాయకులు మిన్నకుండడం చూస్తే, రాష్ట్ర విభజన వాంఛనీయత పట్ల వారికి ఏమాత్రం నిబద్ధత లేదని ఇట్టే అవగతమవుతుంది.
I responded as follows:
ఛా నిజమా! ముల్కీ వ్యతిరేకులు జై ఆంధ్రా జెండా ఎత్తినప్పుడు తెలంగాణా వాదులు మిన్నుకున్నారనే మీ ఆక్షేపణ అసత్యం. మచ్చుకు ఈ క్రింది వార్త చదవండి.
“రాష్ట విభజనే అన్ని సమస్యలకు శాశ్వతమయిన పరిష్కార మార్గం: తెలంగాణా కాంగ్రెస్ వాదుల సదస్సు తీర్మానం” (ఆంద్ర పత్రిక; 22-01-1973; 1వ & 5వ పేజీ ).
56 మంది ప్రజాప్రతినిధులతో సహా షుమారు 150 నాయకులు ఈ సదస్సులో పాల్గొన్నారు. సమావేశానికి హాజరయిన వారిలో చెన్నారెడ్డి, కేశవులు, నారాయణ రెడ్డి, జీవీ సుధాకర్ రావు, చొక్కారావు, రాజనరసింహ (ప్రస్తుత ఉపముఖ్యమంత్రి తండ్రి), రోడా మిస్త్రీ, పాలవాయి గోవర్ధన్ రెడ్డి, పురుషోత్తం రెడ్డి, ఎస్. జైపాల్ రెడ్డి (ప్రస్తుత కేంద్రమంత్రి), కల్యాణి రామచంద్రరావు, ప్రేమలతాదేవి, కరణం రామచంద్రరావు (తెదేపా హయాములో మంత్రి) ప్రభ్రుతులు ఉన్నారు. ఇబ్రహీం అలీ అన్సారీ (మహబూబ్ నగర్), శీలం సిద్దారెడ్డి గార్లతో సహా మరికొందరు సమావేశానికి రాకపోయినా తమ మద్దతు తెలిపారు.
అదే పత్రికలో (5వ పేజీ) “ప్రత్యెక తెలంగాణా సాధనకు మొదటి మెట్టు) అనే వార్త కూడా చూడండి.
ఇవి చాలా ఇంకొన్ని లంకెలు కావాలా?
Till date I have not heard back from him. He repeats the same claim & so do his supporters.
Jai Go, Sampoorna Telangana Praja Samithi, a party lead by EshwariBai (mother of Geetha Reddy) contested in 1972 elections (held during the phase of Jai Andhra movement) and managed to win only one seat (Eswaribai herself) and lost deposits in 28 constituencies out of 40 which it contested.
If the telangana leaders want telangana during JaiAndhra movement, wouldn't they go to agitations like they did in 1969?
Past performance does NOT guaranteee Future … Every season has it problems and you have to reslove them … Its time for seperation and accelerated growth not to discuss prior 1991 issues.
The demerger claim itself is coming from from prior 1991 issues only
Atleast please stick to the work "De-Merger", kindly dont change it on requirement basis.
Satya: Let us stick to the subject, not STPS electoral performance. AMRAO & Parakala claim T-leaders supported UAP in 1972. This claim is factually incorrect.
The point is, the separate T-movement was subsided with in just 2 years of the so called grand movement of 69, even at the time the 'other' side is willing to.. There was no movement neither any serious attempt by T leaders to bifurcate the state.
Agree and then there is no post-1991 issues between the regions in AP that justify AP bifurcation. If mere separation accelerates the growth, then you shouldn't object for Telangana and Hyd city as separate states.
HYD is part of Telanaga ….I dont like to discuss much on trivial issues… however, you guys has to realize and acknolwedge the feelings implanted in T People by CBN, YSR and all telalanga leaders for seperate state. I dont see anyone of you accepting the root cause of this division. You all playing cunning attitudes, shifting colors but stikcing to United AP. If you guys are really looking for united AP, you should have voted for CPM and NOT for TDP / Congress in last elections.
We are not morons like you to blame on others. If you are for telangana, why did you vote to Congress against TRS in 2009 elections
Both are for Telangana .. It does not matter Congress or TRS..it only matter if we voted for Division or Unity … you need to get the crux not the cream. You are using abusive language and claiming that you are NOT moron….it is just like NOT realizing what you are talking…. Its pretty simple, Why did you guys voted for TDP / Congress instead of CPM.
Though many Indians, like BJP, are against special status to Kashmir, they don't vote to BJP because it is not an issue in rest of India. Similarly, telangana was not an issue until 9th Dec. 2009 in SA, therefore SA voted to Congress/TDP based on their previous governance (I support neither of them). We have gone through these in previous postings, which indicate you don't know what you are talking.
If you want decent reply, don't use abusive langugate (cunning etc) yourself.
Same to your Mr VK…. I hate to use abusive language at the same time stop using words like Moron and Idiots etc., I do have same emotions like which willl act as per actions….You guys woked up after 2009 whose fault it is ? Is it T people fault ? Your leaders and people like you encourage false promises to T people ? Can accept atleast now, that your tried to cheat T people for votes?
@Ravi
Why would any one fight for unitedAP in unitedAP. They started opposing AP bifurcation after 9th Dec 2009 statement by the centre. I am not belong to any political party? If you think any political party cheated you, then you don't vote them rather than lecturing us.
Jai,
You are fooling no one here. In 1969, the same Congress men let people die and brought every thing to a halt. They said their only demand was Telangana.
In 1972, if they call for a meet and issue a press statement and forget it, would that be called a response? Why was the agitation not revived and brought to the level of 1969? Was it not the right time to press for their demand when the other side was also willing?
You may be fooling yourself but I do not see any sincerity in the above statement or their actions in 1973.
Also, I am glad that you brought this out. I request all the readers here to read Andhra Patrika from 1-1-1973 to 30-6-1973. You will realize that the people of Andhra wanted to separate at any cost.
http://www.pressacademyarchives.ap.nic.in/Newspaper.asp
Yes, now too, Vasanth Nageshwar Rao, MRPS, Katti Padma Rao and many more want to seperate BUT only who purchased acres lands in HYD outskirts are making this movement and managing the show. You all guys are Hijacked by People who invested on Land for easy money instead making big corporates with that money.
Even Vasanth Nageswarao is against AP bifurcation on false assucations. If somebody want to protect their land, wouldn't they go with the agitators rather than antagonise them?
None has seen this news that Nageshwara Rao is against Bifuration. This shows your social imbalance. Even T vadis will not like to stay united on lies … how ever, Lies is not a criteria for Bifurication or Unity. AP is large state with huge population and division is the only way for better growth and basis for division is becase we have seperated pieces like Telananga and SA….its Ultra Basic.
Don't attribute your social imbalance to others. Vasantha Nageswarao has said in on one of TV programmes (Varadhi on TV9) that he is for JaiAndhra but only after addressing Hyd and water issues.
We know how big AP is. We also know how big Maharashtra and UP are. If the separation is for for administrative conveneince, then there is no need for agitations. The division will create more problems and therefore anyone with average intelligence would oppose the division in current format.
Why only telangana & SA? Lets have telangana, hyderabad, Andhra and Rayalaseema.
The readers will also realize that there was no talk of Hyderabad in 1972 and 1973. Many lies have been spread that Andhras wanted to merge with Telangana in 1956 because of Hyderabad.
The news published between 01-01-1973 to 30-06-1973 will make it clear that Andhras were not bothered about Hyderabad.
AMRao garu, The alleged violation on deputy CM seat is also no where mentioned during 69 telangana agitation. Many of the separatist leaders like KVR, MCR who were alive that time, did not raise this point as a violation. May be they know the true reason why the position was omitted during Sanjeeva reddy and Brahmananda reddy regime.
AMRAO: please read your own statement again. You said T-leaders did not agree to bifurcation. You now change gears and demand a massive movement, not agreement.
JaiGo,
in same news papers you must have read about Samaikya vaadulu in Telangana lead by PVNR. Also if you spend a little more time, you will find the first ever proposal for Hyderabad as UT.
I think simple fact is no professor from coastal andhra/rayala seema regions were alive from 1972 to take the stand of separate Andhra forward into the brains of students and keep the movement alive. Simply they forgot 1972 incident and moved forward.
On the otherside, professors like Jayashankar sir kept the light burning in Telangana..
Yes .. this shows Andhras commitment towards people development and community growth…..their ignorance to eco balance of fairshare and win-win livelyhood brought the current turmoil and this blogger is trying to getting a political or people employement by saying united Ap instead of fairshare. Its justificed by CWC to announce the decision because they are going on their promise….
Just to remind you, CWC's resolution in 2001 was for a 2nd SRC that could also look into T-demand. 12 years down the lane, we both know as to where exactly the 2001 resolution lies.
I hope this 2013 resolution will start a process where CWC itself lands in the bin. where they become totally irrelevant both in AP and entire India.
None can teach and make realize a sleeping person … you belong to that category….even the current CWC decison is idle for some time …demand for seperate will come again & again …your next generation has to fight for this Issue…. Its better we divide geographically and unite as humans
>> demand for seperate will come again & again
Let it come. who will be the losers? and who will gain? Introspect.
All of your above comments illustrate your nature and mentality. There is no need to respond to barking comments.
Guys, please be advised to post your comments with out abuse.
Ravi says:
September 13, 2013 at 10:48 amHYD is part of Telanaga ….I dont like to discuss much on trivial issues.
We discussed this earlier. There is no "Part" or "Inside" of Telangana. In 1956, when Hyderabad state was split , rest of Telugu speaking districts were added to Andhra state. They were all 'INDIVIDUAL IDSTRICTS". They were independent administrative units. TOGETHER THEY FORM NOTHING.
Do you say together Nizamabad, Karimnagar, Warangal form a special entity? Nothing. In Andhra SRC act there is no mention of the name Telangana. Legally also this is not a valid argumemt.
You can talk to T lawyers or judges also. Earlier Hyderabad city was under Hyderabad state administration, and now under AP state administration. Thats why Save AP was held in Hyd.
BTW before 1956, Hyderabad city was the capital of three different regions. SO histrically it is the only city in India which has the potential to be a perfect UNION TERRITORY.
There is only one way that SA people can stop the division. There are 17 LS seats in T and 25 LS seats in SA. Let SA people jointly make an announcement that they will vote enmasse for BJP for Lok Sabha. For State assembly they can choose any party they like to (obviously not Congress).
This will jolt the Congress because they can manage only about 12 seats in T even with a strong pro-division stance. But they would loose about 30 seats. Through tactical voting they can make the BJP win about 30 seats out of 42 in Lok Sabha.
If BJP comes to power they would surely reciprocate this gesture of SA people by keeping the division on hold by referring the bill to state legislature. And the mere announcement that SA people will vote tactically for the BJP will jolt the Congress to go slow on division !!!
But the big question is whether the SA people will display this level of unity in voting ???
@Ashish Kumar
I think the SA people are on the right path in planning to vote for independent candidates. Supporting BJP at this juncture does not make sense. Let us recall that the present AP bifurcation proposal by CWC is precipitated by BJP declaring support for separate T unconditionally. But BJP would not do the same thing with UP where an assembly resolution exists for a 4-way split. Every body tries to play the political chess game. Let us see how the events will unfold.
Rao garu,
It is true that all political parties TDP, YSRC, Congress, even CPI betrayed RSA people. But electing independent candidates will lead them nowhere.
Independents do not have agenda or manifesto. There are JUST LOCAL.
We are in coalition politics. Independents can be bought easily.
People can agitate against a party with numbers. Same cannot be done with independents.
My apologies for personal comments. You are very illogical by connecting CWC and BJP. This is how the country is detroyed during last decade. I could not understand this aversion to BJP as a national alternative. Please note that CWC did not involve in matters like FSB, Land bill etc despite support from BJP.
BJP behaved more democratic w.r.t division. Thier demand is not based on hate campaign, even today, but for smaller states. During NDA they did not force division as they knew there would be no consensus. I doubt even Modi would have behaved like congress.
Finally let me tell you one important difference. BJP are Indians for Indians. They know the pain of dividing an Indian family. Even if division is inevitable they would take India methods of family divide. I hope I do not have to spell but you can understand the other side.
I will have to disagree with you. BJP agreed for the division of AP for the sake of one MP seat – that of Vidyasagara Rao. Dattatreya dreams of becoming an MP again but even his neighbours in Ramnagar are in no mood to support him. Unfortunately, Kishan Reddy is becoming a scapegoat for it even though he is a sincere and clean man. I can tell you very few Seema Andhra people are going to vote for Kishan Reddy from Amberpet constituency. Of course, he is planning to contest from some where else.
Two years ago, we tried convincing Kishan Reddy to announce that all Seema Andhra people living in Hyderabad will be treated as Telangana people and BJP will stand for these people. We told him that, all these years, it was mainly the people of Seema Andhra who stood by BJP in the city. Many CONTRIBUTING members of BJP in the city are from Seema Andhra. We pleaded with him that this announcement would bring BJP close to the people of Seema Andhra in the city. Kishan Reddy refused to make such an announcement saying it would not fetch them votes in the districts. He said they are prepared to lose the supporters of Seema Andhra in the city and so it shall be.
Now, TRS said the same thing just after the CWC announcement. Of course, they were quick to show their true colours. Now, BJP is na ghar ka na ghaat ka.
Assuming you are a BJP supporter, I can tell you that there is a silver lining. An Andhra man who was a serious RSS pracharak in his younger days and was a colleague of Dattatreya for many years, believes Modi will vote against the division and therefore they plan to vote for BJP in the LS elections.
AMRAO garu,
to my understanding BJP maintained consistent position on Telangana and it was not based on alleged discrimination. According to some people BJP has different motives which I cannot disagree altogether.
I do not think one can say BJP AGREED FOR DIVISION, it is their stand for long time. They gave consent like any other party.
As Yeshwant Sinha said on FSB, it was congress party crossing every red-line in governance. In matters like FSB, Land bill etc parties are forced to follow as they fear popular backlash. In other cases like FDI government playing number game instead of consensus.
July 30th CWC decision was an attempt to pre-empt Modis assurance in Hyderabad meeting.
I do not see anything strange in Kishan reddy response. It is nothing but political expediency just like any other party. I do not see why BJP should be different.
I am not really a BJP supporter. After decades of deceptive politics by Congress and Gandhi family, BJP seems the only political alternative that can see India as Bharat. Tomorrow Modi and team may prove me totally wrong. Still BJP is the only unknown angel India can risk with instead of living with any of the known devils.
@P. Rao
I understand your point, but here we are not answering logic with logic. Hence my solution does not make sense from a logic point of view. But here we are using game theory to maximize the chances of a desired outcome.
1. The only thing Congress would fear is a tactical voting in Lok Sabha elections against its main opponent – BJP, which (30 odd seats) would give a big boost to BJP to win allies and get power at the centre.
2. Congress does not fear SA people voting for YSRCP as eventually under the guise of "secularism" they will manage to get YSRCP support the Congress during confidence vote in Lok Sabha.
3. Congress will not fear independents as most of them would be congressmen under disguise and most could easily be won over by the Congress during confidence voting in Lok Sabha.
4. Congress will not fear tactical voting for TDP because it is not clear whether TDP will do an unconditional support to BJP at centre.
5. Tactical voting by SA people requires a lot more maturity because it means SA people vote for BJP eventhough BJP does not want their votes !!!
If SA people enmasse choose Option 1 then there are 3 possibilities.
Possibility 1: Realising the electoral advantage to BJP, Congress will announce that the AP division process is in cold storage. (Probability = 0.9). Congress will lose heavily in Telangana but would compensate those seats (if not more) in SA thus getting upto 20 seats. If Congress gets power in the centre they will permanently stop the division process and announce a financial package for T. If BJP comes to power, then they may not be able to pass the bill in Lok Sabha without Congress support.
Possibility 2: If Congress still decides to go ahead with division (Probability = 0.1), and win power in the centre (Probability = 0.1). BJP would be forced to oppose the bill in Lok Sabha since 30 of their members may rebel and resign.
Possibility 3: If Congress still decides to go ahead with division (Probability = 0.1), and BJP wins power in the centre (Probability = 0.9). BJP would be forced to oppose the bill in Lok Sabha since 30 of their members may rebel and resign and there is a danger of BJP losing majority in the Lok Sabha.
Chakravarthy,
What is your agenda in attacking the houses of politicians?
Today I heard the second incident of such kind. Even the majority of the mass people who agitating are not doing so. All of a sudden you have taken aggressive rather militant approach, people inside homes will have to live now in fear? Put yourself and your family in that situation please.
Hope you will abandon this approach..you pretend to be idealistic and talk democratic or ghandian style but if it is for your cause looks like you will justify the other ways too…
GK, which part of the video is ‘attack’? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fk-JMkyapts
Satya garu,
I am sure baby Ramcharan was scared of these goons and ran away to Chiranjeevi-s official house in New Delhi..
http://www.mediacrooks.com/2013/09/unhappy-endings-for-diggy.html#.UjQTBNLdfl4
He is the man making comments on AP division.
Prabhakara Rao Garu,
Thanks for the link. Time and again, the Karma Siddantham is being proved right. What you sow is what you reap. Taamu teesukunna gotilo taame padataaru.
I believe Diggy is solely responsible for the hasty declaration of CWC. Being in charge of A.P., he must have assured the High Command that this decision will be welcomed by every one. The events are contrary to that.
The earlier announcement by Chidambaram was also made in haste. Chidambaram is a suave politician who plays safe in every thing he does. But he was also misled.
I hope Sonia and her advisors would have learnt a lesson after these two blunders. I hope Antony does not make the same mistake and gives a clearer picture to the decision makers.
While we all hope that the state will be united, after having travelled this far, I believe the division is inevitable but can be made in a simpler way.
THE STATE SHALL REMAIN UNITED, AS IS, UNTIL -
a) A NEW CAPITAL IS BUILT TO THE SATISFACTION OF SEEMA ANDHRA PEOPLE, WITH NOT JUST AMENITIES BUT ALSO EMPLOYMENT OPPORTUNITIES
b) SHARING OF RESOURCES LIKE REVENUE, WATER, ETC… ARE DETERMINED TO THE SATISFACTION OF BOTH SIDES
c) CONCERNS OF EMPLOYEES AND RETIREES ARE ADDRESSED
d) SAFETY CONCERNS OF SEEMA ANDHRA PEOPLE LIVING IN HYDERABAD ARE ADDRESSED
I have spoken to many people in Hyderabad and majority of them seem to think this is a fair solution although they are NOT SURE HOW THEIR SAFETY CAN BE ASSURED IN THE FUTURE.
AMRAO garu,
Chidambaram escaped for many intentional wrong doings. Yet blaming him for Dec 9 announcement is unfair. I strongly believe it was not his decision. He made the announcement only as Minister of Home Affairs.
I feel that division may stop on technical grounds, which anyway not for my linking. I believe in consensus and mutual understanding.
Reg. safety of RSA people in Hyderabad
Division or not, it is as good as safety of women in India, even after Friday the 13th sentence in Delhi gang rape case.
I did not blame Chidambaram. I said his statement was made in haste and that he was misled. I believe he was misled because it was the reports of Home Ministry (received from A.P. and prepared for review by the Core Committee) that influenced the decision to make the announcement. He, as Home Minister, should have verified the reports from the State Govt. through Central Agencies before believing them.
Guys,
Help me with this. Was there any telangana consciousness comprising exclusivley of these 10 districts and hyderabad before the idea of AP came up ? I only see organizations like andhra mahasabha, visalandhra in Nizam regions then. Not that such consciousness anyway justifies a state but i am just curious. My guess is this modern territorial telangana comprising 10 districts and hyderabad came only after idea of AP was floated and being implemented.
T with HYD is the popular demand – ABN
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMyF19XEIJU
We discussed this in previous post.
Please see the options for your self. Those who support unitedAP wouldn't have responded to the survey. This may explain why 1 million out 1.6 million contacted didn't respond to the survey. The majority of those responded (assuming that they support telangna) didn't support Hyd as the capital for telangana, which is further diluted by giving 3 options.
ABN also conducted survey in SA on AP bifurcation http://www.ap7am.com/lv-118987-discussion-on-seemandhra-demand.html
According to this surevey, less than 1% of callers responded from 13 districts of seema-andhra supported AP bifurcation. Does this indicate you only few industrialists opposing AP bifurcation?
Sorry first paragraph of my comment is concerned with the ABN survey of Hyd locals.
AMRAO Sir,
The following points are fair but saying THE STATE SHALL REMAIN UNITED, AS IS, UNTIL is a blackmailing demand…Can you suggest what should be done for the following:
a) A NEW CAPITAL IS BUILT TO THE SATISFACTION OF SEEMA ANDHRA PEOPLE, WITH NOT JUST AMENITIES BUT ALSO EMPLOYMENT OPPORTUNITIES
b) SHARING OF RESOURCES LIKE REVENUE, WATER, ETC… ARE DETERMINED TO THE SATISFACTION OF BOTH SIDES
c) CONCERNS OF EMPLOYEES AND RETIREES ARE ADDRESSED
d) SAFETY CONCERNS OF SEEMA ANDHRA PEOPLE LIVING IN HYDERABAD ARE ADDRESSED
GK, let me tell you. If the 4 points are really addressed with honesty, all those efforts of T movement are really going be a waste.
by the way, who has to bear the expense for new capital?
Boss GK,
It is not a blackmailing demand. After having stayed together for 57 years and skewed development, it is only fair that the other side has an equal opportunity, instead of hollow promises.
ఆలస్యం గా కూసిన మరో మేధావి కోయిల..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NTLJUbxDjcE
Hear his speech between minutes 11:50 and 12:35. He says unless medical facilities and education in SA reaches the same as Hyderabad, the status quo should continue.
Facing the serious opposition from people, Dr JP postponed his yatra..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Y-qIrIcdd0
Once again proved, silence of a genius is more dangerous than noise of fools. Dr JP was ridiculously silent during the last 4 years and pretend to act as if the division is a non issue. He restricted himself to his own pool of intelligentsia when telangana people are taken to streets. Why he did not come into public and explain the truth to T people? Is he too afraid after that assembly incident?
విలేఖరి: సార్, మీరు సమైక్య వాదాన్ని వినిపించబోతున్నారా, రాష్ట్రం విడిపోవాలని వినిపించబోతున్నారా?
జేపీ: తెలుగుజాతి ఐకమత్యాన్ని వినిపించబోతున్నాను. మీకు ఏమన్నా బాధా?
This is the precise problem with him. an evading answer. He is trying to beating around the bush.
I am no supporter of JP but his role in AP bifurcation is minisicule compared to that of CBN and yet CBN could travel in SA without uttering samaikyandhra. Is this because of the presence of political base for CBN in SA? If samaikyanadhra agitation is free of politics, then the agitators should have opposed CBN athamagouram yatra even stronger.
Because the expectations on CBN and JP are different. Yes. Party base definitely place a role.And remember, the TDP cadre in seemandhra is actively involved in Samaikya movement. In any case, he too postponed his yatra. btw.. Payyavula opposed CBN yatra. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R_zJWyxQ0B8
Precisely the expectations on CBN in favour of keeping AP intact (afterall it is one of the TDP main objectives) are more than that on JP, who has no political base. However, I do object JP's lay back attitude on AP bifurcation. If he really thinks that keeping the state intact or divide bring no benefit to a common man, then he should support status quo (change is acceptable only for betterment).
CBN was for unitedAP until 2004 but changed his stand in 2008. Is he supporting telangana because of lot of harm done to it within that 4 years? YSRCP also need explain why YSR took telangana genei out of the bottle? Similarly Congress high command should explain why their stand changed from 2nd SRC (the CWC decision in 2001 and its 2004 elections manifesto) to division of AP? Instead of addressing why they supported telangana, they are trying to fool the majority telugus by blaming each other. Now at least all political parties should work together and write a letter opposing AP bifurcation in the present form with their MLAs/MPs signatures on it and release it to the media and send it to the CWC. The home minister should release minutes of the all party meeting held in Dec. 2012 to prove whether everyone (including Cong. representatives from both the regions) attend the meeting agreed for 10 districts telangana with Hyd or not. This will prove who is lying.
for those who say, the dalits and BCs of seemandhra supports division..
http://epaper.andhrajyothy.com/PUBLICATIONS/AJ/AJYOTHI/2013/09/15/Article//008/15_09_2013_008_030.jpg
JP,CBN,Ramoji, Chiranjeevi and even that arrogant twit Vemuri Radhakrishna have all been proven to be political managers and not leaders of society in anyway. They all more worried about windows of thier office or home or cars when ordinary employees are willing to face bloodied violence. When facism is striking telugu society in form of telangana bullshit they prefer to hide under vagueness, verbal sophistry etc but they cant hide their cowrdness.
@Kiran
"—-been proven to be political managers and not leaders of society in anyway."
Please allow me to say you are right on the target. Politics involves leading, taking sides, fighting for a cause, partisanship, taking risks etc. You are not a boy scout when you are in public life. The people you mentioned and many of today's public figures are avoiding their duty under the guise of peace or brotherhood or some other vague thing[as Kiran said, actually it is their glass windows they are worried about !]. That shows their lack of courage of conviction. When your opponents are encroaching on your territory, you should fight for your space. I would like to point out one such instance. You all know when JP was trying to speak his mind in the state assembly in favor of AP status quo, the T-vaadis hit him on his head in front of the cameras. He never filed a case or pressed charges and he softened his position and in a few days came in favor of separate Telangana. He and his admirers may think that he took moral high ground saying I have no enemies etc.,but to me it looks like something is lacking here. He missed a big opportunity in not bringing the culprits to justice and expose the strategy of the T-vaadis and their goondaism. In history, once Mahatma Gandhi was assaulted for entering a whites only compartment, did he wipe himself and tried to justify the incident thinking that is the law or I have no enemies,I forgive them, like Jesus said I will turn my other cheek? No he kept on fighting rest of his life and ended the monstrous colonial rule in India. Let me add that Jesus Christ is no slouch in such matters. He was a fighter for justice all his life.
Please note that I do not include Mr. Nalamotu Chakravarthy in the above group. As readers of this blog know, Mr. Chakravarty has shown good sense, courage of conviction and defied the T-vaadis, risked his safety and short term career goals. He is doing what he is set out to do. He deserves our support and encouragement.
PS: About JP, let me say he is one of a kind of guy full of public spirit and we expect a lot from him.
Most high sounding excuses are often given to cover up cowardice. Even gandhi said non-violence is not for cowards. Another thing greatly valued by these "managers" is how effectively they can dodge a tough situation – they think that defines their cleverness and street smartness. And laugh at a guy who is caught in a tough situation because he has chosen a bold stand.
utlimately have the whole soceity laugh at them. They think they can still the "manage" and pretend the emperor is full of finest clothes. Thats exactly what the fool JP tried to pull in Kurnool.
Kiran garu,
Let me echo the rest of your statement. It is true what you said, "When fascism is striking Telugu society in the form of Telangana [udyamum]" one should not equivocate. The stakes are high. If we ignore this now we pay a high price later. This is not an regular political movement for a separate administrative unit. The T-vaadis expect you to drop everything and move out like some tenant farmers. I do not know where they got this idea. Only the SA people are targeted, not any others like Gujaratis, Marathis, Kayasths or other south Indians. They do not want you to share in case of separation, anything that was developed as combined capital in the past 57 years. This is atrocious at so many levels. That is called fascism, plain and simple. Even when India and Pakistan were separated, India paid 75 crores or so as their share of assets. And everyone in Pakistan was eligible for Indian citizenship.
Mr.Chakravrathy as per the folklore they say ur from Nalgonda dist and I can fairly assume u've spent considerable time there and have seen the situation there. I'll will express the rest of my thoughts in telugu that i am used to, not which i "learnt" and am sure it would strike a chord with the crowd here who visit ur blog .. siggu sharam anedi unnadaandi meeku aa… Nuvvu ekkada puttavo telvad kaani Nalgonda lo periginav ani ee blog lone cheppav kada. Kanipinchale neeku akkada janala baadha. oka example istha Krishna ekkadnunchi potundi mana state lo nunchi Nalgonda ne kada, idi oppukuntaava leka pothe ekkado Guntur krishna delta lo bhoomi lo nunchi bayataki vastundantaava. aa district lo nunchi flow avutunna Krishna water akkadi rythulaku valla pollalu saagu chesukodani dorakadu, sare adi vadileddam atleast taagadaniki aa nillu kooda vallaki andavu kaani ekkadinuncho aa neelu matram Hyd ki vastunte neeku kopam raale idem nyaaman ani anipinchale, nee tothi jilla prajalau taage neelu dorakakunda unna koddi neelu taagi flourosis baarina padutunte em anipinchale. Naadi ane jilla problems ne nuvvu represent cheyyalekapothe nuvvu vishalandahra ki torchbearer avadam vetakaram kada nuvve alochinchu. Prathi okkadiki idi oka fashion ayipoyindi edo koncham chadukongane neene pedda topugadini ani. Ee question ki nuvvu apolotical gaa without any innuendos answer ivvu chaalu.
BTW ikkada chala mandini chustunna edo we represent Hyd adi idi pedda pedda statements istunru arey nincompoops 7th generation Hyderabadi ni neene intha egurthale meerendira bai monna monna vacchi edo pedda attitude chupistunru…ikkadi bhashane sarigga matladaniki raadu meerendira bai maa gurinchi matladedi. maaku telsu maakem kavalo mee representation avasram le….
Food for thought ppl…..
Is it really food for though (a)vivek?
Fluorosis in Nalogonda (and Prakasam) needs to be tackled immediately on humanitarian grounds but I never seen any politician from there agitating to provide drinking. However I have seen politicians and people like you using the cause (fluorosis in Nalgonda) for telangana just like beggers use disabled children for begging. Both beggers and people using the fluorosis are only interested in using the cause (disabled children/fluorosis) for their benefit but not for solving the cause.
Dost vahi toh main kaha raha hoon yeh politician bewakoofonko side main rakho joh kaha ra ahi ki woh logonke kay betterment kay liye fight kar raha hain use main yeh prashna pooch raha hoon tumhe isse kya aitraazgi hain joh khud ka na ho saka woh doosronke kya hoga this is a straight qusetion to the owner period…. and u equating ppl who ask questions, to beggars amply describes ur evolutionary status and … I don't even want to get into nything further
What questions did you ask? You are only interested using fluorosis problem for telangana but not in solving it. Therefore my comparison is 100% correct.
Arey Baingan did I ever bring Telangana into the thread why do u keep asking that. and this question is not addressed to u I have asked the gr8 Nalamotu to answer it. teri naak kyun gusaad raha hain bande…
ardham ayinda kaadane anukuntunna. malli telugulo chepta sakkaga vinuu neenu motham thread lo Telangana gurinchi matladinana enudku assume chesukuntaav munde. sare adi ayina naa question sir evarithe Nalamotu gariki address chesina nuvvu nee blood boil chesukoni enduku reply istav. inka reply vacchina adi T vaadula nunchi vachindani assume chesukovadam mee matti burraku nidarshanam
Inko rakanga chuste I ask what hav u done to ur neighbourhood. let me ask u this I did zilch …nothing but I don't walk around saying that I did this or that..Nee gurinchi telvadu kaani edo pedda matalu matladataru Hyd toh vidipoleni bandham ani… Recent, by recent I say last 5 yrs is that fine em peekaru holiday season raagane anni moosukoni mee intiki vellara leda. edo pedda Hyd gurinchi matladutunru. Meeku hyd meeda anthe preme unte ikkade undocho kada mee tammulu mee kutumbam toh pandagalu celebrate chesukovacchu kada. adi cheyyaru boothulu vastunnayi, kaani meevi edi kavalo adi kavali.sudden ga avasram vacchinappudu Hyd mata teestaru. Enno rojula nunchi vunte ippati varaku ikkada resident ani claim chesukoni local elections lo vote esina vallu entha mandi unnaru daniki answer ivvu…..
Em Sir Nalamotu Reply ivvara maa questions ki?
@Satya
Once again proved, silence of a genius is more dangerous than noise of fools. Dr JP was ridiculously silent during the last 4 years and pretend to act as if the division is a non issue. He restricted himself to his own pool of intelligentsia when telangana people are taken to streets. Why he did not come into public and explain the truth to T people? Is he too afraid after that assembly incident?
That dosen't apply to just JP it applies to each and evry individual especially you who kept their mouth shut when the T movement was going on, were u guys so immature and naive that u thought this would fizzle out like just any other numerous agitations. This only proves ur callousness and utter disregard for "Ur Telangana Bretheren" which has finally come back to bite u. And you blame ur leaders for being spineless wat about u guys, ur as much guilty as the leaders u've elected and that my friend is how the cookie crumbles….!
The Congress and Central Govt. is dragging the formation too much…nothing new in Shinde's statement today…
It is unjust for SA politicians to say not to give T. It is absolutely justified for them to list of every little thing in which SA people lack/miss their share. It is obvious to see that only people from SA is asking for united state which indicates that it is in their interest only, now what are those interests need to listed in order for the people to know or debate why SA people are asking to be united…
@GK
The problem is they are ina tizzy, everyone they are not sure what they are fighting for. Today morning I saw news stating a Central minister asking for immediate bifurcation and measures to setup a suitable capital for SA . These guys never anticipated this move now that the decision has been made they are jacked. This is a classic example of "too little too late".
Current agitation in SA is to oppose AP bifurcation whereas neither Congress high command nor telangana seekers sure about the basis for telangana separation.
Arey fool, that is all that comes to my mind are u sure why this dysfunctional state still needs to be united. get to the point the contention is hyd nothing else and don't think we know. aa clarity tecchuko leka pothe gurraniki gaadidiki difference cheppaleni pagal gladivi avutav
You m*r*n, AP developed far better than many states by being united. This is also got destroyed by few unemployed politicians and their side kicks like you. If you really know the difference between donkey and horse, then you wouldn't support telangana but fight for whole AP development. It is nothing but stupidity to cut head just to get rid of head ache. Similarly, it is stupdity to support telangana because of few problems in the state.
Hyd state had 16 districts, 8 telugu [aka telangana], 5 marathi and 3 kannada, which merged with 3 states on linguistic basis. Telangana is the best developed among these three regions and this is because of unitedAP.
Give respect to get respect
Sare Telangana nunchi divide aina regions inka backward unnayani anukundaam, does that mean I should keep quiet for everything that has been wronged. neenu oka link post chesa mee favourite SKC gurinchi adi manchiga chaduvu daani tarvatha vacchi matlaadu. Aa idiots edo state govt figures ni base ga teesukoni oka descision ki raavadam stupidity kakapothe inktenti. if that comission was serious enough about knowing the real problems they should have assesed the ground situation govt numbers ni reference ga teesukoni, confirm chesukovalsindi if they really reflect the same on the ground did they do that they didn't bloody care and denini base chesukoni santosha paddaru janalu. gud going ee lekkana mee future chala bright ga kanipistundi….
Please read the statistics posted on this website from a book called Telangana agitation – A Bhasmashura wish (written by N. Chakravarthy, this blog owner). If you don't believe the SKC report, which written by people from outside our state, then there is little we can discuss here.
I am from Guntur district (but grown up by helping family in fetching water from 100m deep wells) but travelled to Hyd city via Nalgonda and Kharagpur in WB for study purposes. I never noticed any difference between from our region in Guntur and Nalgonda whereas I was shocked to see poverty/under development in Orissa and Kharagpur region of WB.
Most of us here saying that AP rural region did not develop because our politicians concentrated in developing Hyd city only. It is now time to develop rural regions and it can only possible in unitedAP.
haha when ur ready to accept whatever is written in a nodescript book with absolute convolutions in it I am not that surprised……good going mate gud for u. u hav a really bright future,,,LOL
And let me state this for the record any lil support for a United state in Telangana and Hyderabad in particular was lost the moment u started ur shenanigans on Dec 10th 2009
We are living in unitedAP and therefore you need support for the division and not for keeping as it is.
In Ur dreams if that would have been the case u've would have been, how should i say madrasiyo kay talve chate rahthe…give the credit or shall i say their luck they got it sorted out their way….
not that I have anything about Tamilians but hat off u taught a fine lesson, which they still don't seem to imbibe nonetheless gud job folks. I am not sure wat the future holds for us but still u guys taught them a butt-kicking lesson.
You immaturity become very clear by comparing Seema Andhra (SA) separation from Madras state with telangana separation. SA was part of Madras state because of our invaders (Nizam and British) whereas AP created with the approval both Hyd and Andhra state assemblies.
All most all regions separated to form new state did so without existing capital. So telangana should follow the same if it wants to separate from AP.
Arey dummy in every other new state the capital was within the geographical limits of the state and Hyderabad no matter how hard u ignore is part of the Telangana. The monetary part of it is all together a different matter and which I think is the most contentious of it all has to be dealt with in a fair way, I hate saying this but wat can i say… yeh besaharon ko bhi sahara dena hoga naa
and for your lil para
All most all regions separated to form new state did so without existing capital. So telangana should follow the same if it wants to separate from AP.
Hyderbad has and will always be the capital or metro watever u like to call it there is no other go. And u said every one has invested in Hyderabad, I say the ppl of Telangana hav invested more than anyone else. For Ex water where the hell was Hyderabad getting water, gandipet and himayatsagar excluded the only other source was Singur which originally was supposed to be used to irrigate lands in neighbouring medak dist but was conviniently used for supplying drinking water to Hyd. Same is the case with Krishna that I've put in my first comment and shortly Godavari also joins the bandwagon. This is the contribution of the ppl of Telangana which everyone so conveniently forgets and don't even have the decency to acknowledge it
Unlike you, we are saying all three regions contributed for Hyd development. Your argument applicable only if SA wants to separate with Hyd.
It is surprising to see that there is not a single sane voice in Telangana who wants to come out and seek a negotiated settlement of the current issue. How can people trust these hotheads to rule T, once it is formed?
And negotiated settlement is a must and there is no other way. How can a state kick out 5 crore people from its boundary, claim the capital and change the name of the state? This is not possible even if national boundaries are involved. The T demand is that
1. 5 crore SA people should leave the state of AP
2. Rename the state of AP as Telangana
And then to state that all of the above are non-negotiable. If T people are serious about T, they should choose a leader who will talk peace and the voice of reason.
There are some who say that T leaders are taking an extreme stand because they have no logical arguments for a separate state.
1. All their talk about discrimination has been proved false in the Sri Krishna report. This report is public and everyone can see that T developed much faster than SA
2. All their talk of SA people ridiculing T accent is a lie because people even make fun of the East Godavari accent, Srikakulam accent, Chittoor accent.
So many new states have been formed but it was not through spreading hatred between people. 1. Chattisgarh formed but they did not spread hatred for MP people and they formed their own capital – Raipur
2. Jharkhand formed but they did not spread hatred for Bihar people and they formed their own capital – Ranchi
3. Uttarakhand formed but they did not spread hatred for UP people and they formed their own capital – Dehradun.
By the same logic, T can be formed but only through a peaceful negotiated settlement and by forming their own capital in Warangal. This is the only way T can be achieved.
@ Ashish
I dont know where ur from but do u think the Srikrishna commission is the ultimate decision making body read this and then tell ur views
http://www.indiaenvironmentportal.org.in/files/file/Justice-srikrishnas-injustice-Book.pdf
and if idots who think they acan convince ppl that that a non-existent united state is a better option then be my guest no ones stopping u from that
United AP is in existence since 1956 and who cares if some idiots think otherwise.
same applies to u ignorant arse its mutual frustrated manic
I can also reply to you in the same language so please take care in writing comments here. It is very clear from our comments here who frustrated and there is no need to specify.
You started it my friend do you think I derive pleasure by abusing others. I only did that after I saw ur earlier comments…
cheers
See your comment @Ashish and some of your comments below, you not only abusing others but also denying it.
I know it pains and I regret, would u do that just becoz u think u know history or wat u percieve as history u can't use fools, idiots to decribe ppl. you may be right in ur own lil way but don't expect ppl to react in civilized way when u can't do that
do you have that in you to accept thet u've erred or used words which don't fit in civilized conversation or u still r in denial "Bro"….
vivek says:
September 20, 2013 at 5:27 pm
"…if idots who think they acan convince ppl that that a non-existent united state is a better option…"
VK says:
September 20, 2013 at 6:45 pm
United AP is in existence since 1956 and who cares if some idiots think otherwise.
See who started unparliamentary language.
@VK
I swear I did post a rebuttal for ur comments posted below stating I started using abusive language,anyways I'll put things in perspective…
"All of your above comments illustrate your nature and mentality. There is no need to respond to barking comments."
"We are not morons like you to blame on others. If you are for telangana, why did you vote to Congress against TRS in 2009 elections"
I only responded in kind when I saw ur earlier comments Mr…so don't give me alesson on moral and ethics if u dont follow them "walk the talk" bud
cheers
Arey self described medhavularra (paalu taagutunna pillulara) neenu ashish nee address chestu frwd chesina link chadavandi daani tarvatha matlandandi. I am surprised ee link gurinchi ippati varaku evaru matladaledani. In hindsight I am not that surprised
I absolutely love it when idiots react to facts and they don't have any base to back it up… nice punchline mayebe I'll start a blog of my own. With IDIOTS like this who jostle for a non-existent united state ,I would make a killing..LOL
@Vivek
I am from Rajasthan and settled in AP for the last 3 generations and speak Telugu like a native. Basically I consider myself a Telugu person and not a T person or SA person. I or for that matter anybody is never going to read a report prepared by the Telangana Development Forum or Seemandhra Development Forum. For me to trust a report it has to be authored by a neutral party which can be none other than someone of eminence from the Judiciary. There is no doubt in the fact that 100% of the data compiled in the SKC report is from government records. And if you are not satisfied, appoint another Judicial commission and prepare another report, but please do not ask people to read reports prepared by TDF.
The second point is that I am not questioning the demand for a separate state of Telangana but the manner in which it is being sought. When you demand a separate state, make sure that it is not based on hatred of a section of people. Since it is the T people who are demanding a separate state they should have ensured that any sort of hatred or ill will is NEVER reflected in their speeches against the SA people. Why do your leaders speak abusively against SA people like Jago-Bhago, settler etc. I am myself a settler and what is the guarantee that your forefathers were not settlers?
If one party in a divorce tries to have the upper hand, the divorce may take ages and it would never happen. A man and a wife who are educated and pragmatic always would seek divorce by consent and not by force. Today T people want a divorce by force.
T people have 2 demands – 1. Separate State of Telangana and 2. Own the capital of AP. While the SA people are opposed to both the demands. It is natural that there has to be a negotiated settlement. You cannot say – My way or the highway.
When Gujaratis wanted a separate state they created their own capital in Gandhinagar (and not Mumbai), same applies to Jharkhand (Ranchi and not Patna), Uttarakhand (Dehradun and not Lucknow), Chattisgarh (Raipur and not Bhopal), Andhra Pradesh (Hyderabad and not Chennai). Nagaland, Mizoram, Tripura, Meghalaya all created their own capitals and did not demand Guwahati. Ghorkhaland is not demanding Kolkatta but want their own capital in Darjeeling.
What is SO SPECIAL about Telangana that they want BOTH a separate state and ALSO the capital ??? Hence if you are serious of T, then go for a negotiated settlement with SA people with a policy of "give and take". Without a policy of "give and take", the T agitation has NO MORAL BASIS. It is only sound and fury. Agitations that have NO MORAL BASIS do not succeed in the end. Even in the rare case they succeed it is called a PYRRHIC victory (meaningless victory in which both parties lose). So better look for a win-win situation rather than lose-lose situation !!!!
And remember that asking for Telangana on the basis of sub-regionalism sentiment has 1 big danger for the T state itself. Assuming that T is formed, what prevents another T politician to exploit some cultural differences between North and South Telangana and ask for a seperate South Telangana state with Hyderabad as capital? So once should not assume that the best way to create a new state is through hate politics and agitations.
Just remember that in 1947, Bengal was the richest state in terms of all economic and cultural parameters, today it is one of the poorest states solely because of agitation politics and the uncompromising attitude of the Left parties. Let us hope that AP does not end up like that. If the current situation is not handled in a mature way by T leaders, the biggest tragedy would be that in few years the Telugu people will see their children going to TN, Karnataka and Maharastra to seek education and jobs !!! And getting treated as "settlers" in those states!!! That will be a big tragedy………….in the history of Telugu people.
@Ashish
I completely agree with you, I have put some really nasty comments in this blog. I did that only after seeing the numerous comments which blatantly assume that all is well in Telangana and when that dosen't hold good they conveniently blame it on local leaders. You being a neutral party with no affiliation whatsoever I ask u one question, Is it fair on the part of United state protagonist to rake up the problems of bifurcation, be it in 2009 or 2013 when there was a movement towards the formation. where were these guys from 2000-2009. I've just taken this period for reference just bcoz they believe a particular party is representing the whole region and base their conclusions on the outcome of this party's results. They conveniently forget that every party has consistently supported formation of the state, they can't just wash their hands saying that it was a political decision taken without their consent. If that was the case they should have agitated against it then, they don't express their will all these years assuming this would just fizzle out, thats the only reason that I can assume and when the decision is taken they suddenly discover their long lost love for their bretheren that is where they lost wat ever little support they had in this region.
And as for question on whats so special about Telangana situation, the very reason that the formation of AP was based on conditions safeguarding the ppl of Telangana amply answers ur question which have been violated with such brazeness.
I also agree there are some hot heads who shoot their mouths off without the future in mind, and they should seriously refrain themselves from making these statements having said that as you said we need to talk things out for a negotiated settlement. With whom should we talk they are in complete denial, the bone of contention is Hyd, realise that be pragmatic and come to the table that is wat we guys have been sayin but just to mask their real reasons if they keep chanting the united andhra slogan which by the way is only resticted to 13 dists then do they really think it would serve the purpose
my view about resolving this imbroglio is to declare the formation of Telangana placing Law and order in the hands of centre which I believe is the primary concern from the other side that would answer all their concerns, and also make sure that revenues that have been accrued in hyderabad has to be shared by both regions 40:60 for a set period of time agreeable to both parties and when the demerger is complete the centre should wrest the control back to the new sate of Telangana.
As far as SKC is concerned u have made a statement
I or for that matter anybody is never going to read a report prepared by the Telangana Development Forum or Seemandhra Development Forum. For me to trust a report it has to be authored by a neutral party
I am not sayin that whatever was in the PDF is the truth but nothing but the truth, but still the questions that have been raised deserve an impartial fact finding exercise and based on that their conclusions which have not been answered. I demand a comprehensive answer on each and every point that has been raised from the esteemed members not based on govt numbers but actual situation on the ground…for a layman having travelled the length and breadth of the region I've seen utter inconsistency from wat the state govt states .I've personally seen whole sets of villages without infra for even basic amneties but they somehow don't figure in the bigger picture..
@Vivek
1. When one talks about negotiations, one has to create a necessary climate for negotiations. Please remember that this entire issue of T formation has been raked up by T people. So it is the responsibility of the T people to create a level of confidence and trust to even begin the negotiation process. Why do T-people object if the SA people want to peacefully assemble to voice their concerns in LB stadium? Why do T leaders state that SA employees have to leave T once the state is formed? If the SA employees go to court, the new T state cannot even change their desk and their room, forget about changing their state. I have never heard a single T leader talking about a POSITIVE DEVELOPMENT oriented agenda to create employment. It is only about driving people out and creating employment. What a pity !!! And do you expect investors to have confidence in these kind of leaders ??? A majority of the North Indian "settlers" that I know of, have lost sympathy for the T movement because of this.
2. The agitation is about 2 demands of the T group – Create T state and T state owning the Capital. If you say that both the principal demands are non-negotiable, how do you expect that SA people will even begin negotiations ???? Asking SA people to share Hyderabad for 10 years is worse than telling them to have their own capital from Day 1. It is an insult to tell the SA people – Hyderabad belongs to T but you will be "allowed" to use it for 10 years. No self-respecting people will accept that offer. When you start negotiations you may have 1 principal demand and NOT MORE. Rest everything should be flexible.
3. You should know that as per the constitution, the entire state of AP belongs to everyone in the state. In that sense the SA people have as much claim over Hyderabad as the T people. Whether by legal standards or principles of natural justice, only a section of the state CANNOT have AUTOMATIC claim over the capital especially if THAT section of the people are the ones who want to divide the state !!! This is plain common sense. Earlier I have given examples of Gujarat, Chattisgarh, Uttarakhand, Jharkhand, AP, Meghalaya, Nagaland, Tripura, Mizoram, Punjab. Do NOT think that Telangana will be having a DIFFERENT rule. If the Gentlemen's agreement has been violated, ensure that it is implemented, but that cannot be an excuse to demand a DIFFERENT rule than the REST OF INDIA.
4. When you ask SA people to build their own capital, why do not you build your own capital in Warangal? Assume that Hyderabad will share 60% of its revenue equally between T and SA. That is a fair argument. Let Hyderabad be a UT where all the government jobs and educational seats are equally shared between the 2 states. What are you scared of ? If T people are the ones demanding a new state, let them also tell confidently that they have the ability and capability to build their own capital and make it even better than Hyderabad…..or SA's capital. Can you take up this FAIR CHALLENGE ?
5. And lastly you have NOT answered this particular point of mine and hence I repeat – And remember that asking for Telangana on the basis of sub-regionalism sentiment has 1 big danger for the T state itself. Assuming that T is formed, what prevents another T politician to exploit some cultural differences between North and South Telangana and ask for a seperate South Telangana state with Hyderabad as capital? I am sure Adilabad has a different culture from Mahbubnagar!!! So one should not assume that the best way to create a new state is through hate politics and agitations.
Ashish Kumarji, Thanks for putting the SA case so elegantly.
@Ashish
1) Let me be categorical no sane guy who supports Re-formation of Telangana or Hyderabad state would support such kind of acts or statements it would only be detrimental to the cause. As for protest against the meeting it was by and large peaceful except for the stone pelting some fools did during their journey back. I don't know wat those guys were thinking, as for the protest it was justified for the reason lies in the past events, if they were no protests against the meeting then it would have been misconstrued as a sign of weakening in support for the cause which has even happened earlier. If you think a meeting by T-NGOS demanding for seperation in SA could be held peacefully without any incidents then… I leave it ur judgement.
There is Jaipal Reddy,Jana Reddy,D. Raja Narasimha D.Srinivas,K.Srihari,P.Prabhakar,G.Vivek,Sridhar Babu,D.K. Aruna,Sunitha Laxma Reddy,D. Nagender,S.Satyanarayana,Kishen Reddy,B.Dattatreya,D.Goud and many more and as always there will be a few rotten tomatoes on both sides who would grab the oppurtunity with both their hands when it presents itself. At the appropriate time these guys would be taught a fitting lesson. And an interesting observation of mine is that all the ppl I have named have been time and again saying the only way forward is thru peaceful means and have also laid out their agenda for development of this region but the funny thing is the media does not cover their meeting print as well as visual, but when a few nincompoops from this region make inflamatory statements they become instant headlines and are presented as the general ground situation in the region. When the Sakala Janula samme was happening here I didn't see the media cover those events so extensively as they are doing now for the SA agitation which was by and large as peaceful as the ongoing agitation.for them SJS was only restricted to OU why bcoz in most cases they would turn violent and it would make a gr8 story for both the media as well as the people, me included. You can instantly find the difference in the way they've presented both the agitations its not resticted to single media house in the state it has by and far been the same across the board.You can easily make it out by the verbal connotations of the presenters.
2. As I've said in my earlier comment as well this is not a creation of a new state, the state existed with Hyderabad as its capital even before Andhra Pradesh was formed. which by the way was formed with a set of conditions which were time and again blatantly violated and our forefathers who were at the helm of affairs during the formation of Andhra Pradesh rightfully said as and when the people of Telangana or Hyderabad state wanted to seperate from AP they could do so which by the way even our constitution provides for.You have said there are 2 demands 1. Re-formation of T 2.T state owning the capital. Lets for a movement assume the 2 demand is negotiable and T group agrees for Hyderabad to be made a union territory based on the reason that Hyderabad has been developed by all the regions then in that same spirit of negatiation if the T group asks the SA group that either Vizag, Vijayawada or Guntur be made a UT becoz everyone had contributed for the development of those cities as well, would they agree to that. I never said Hyd be made a joint capital thats worse than anything else, I only said revenues from Hyderabad to be shared T:SA::40:60 for a set period of time.
3. You have given many examples Jharkhand, Gujarat, etc but name one instance which is as unique as AP where two existing functional states have been merged and people of one of those existing states have opted for a de-merger. The case of Gujrat and Maharashtra comes close.
4. You show me one city I'd rather call them town in Telangana, warangal included which are as developed as even the tier two cities in SA Vizag, Vijayawada, Guntur even Nellore u would have been to those places at some point of time u know how they are but since u have thrown a challenge at T-people then let me respond on their behalf as and when a city in SA is also made a UT I would prefer Vijayawada as its Smack in middle as Hyd is in Telangana. Its just Symbolic not that I would anything gain from BZA becomming a UT "NATURAL JUSTICE" we are ready to build our own capital.
5. This desire of people for the Re-formation of Telangana has been in existence for close to 60 years now. During all this time this agitation has been observed by everyone in India and worldover with fascination now that it is close to achieving it it would be in the minds of everyone in this region that the whole of India would be watching them if they can really achieve what they have set out for. I am not saying there won't be any problems but still the true decision making power would be in the hands of T-people. Culturally yes there may be differences but still the only identity that the people of this region have always wanted is that they are from Telangana. If and its a BIG "IF" the assumed situation arises then the central govt would be the final arbitrator in deciding the outcome. PERIOD
One of the article posted by you, you are complete lier, change of strategy every time, we always on one strategy Telangana.
"So, how can we stop this?
First and foremost Integrationist MPs and MLAs should NOT resign. There are two important battles coming up- one in the state assembly and the other in parliament. Resignation of our representatives is simply suicidal to our cause.
CM and ministers should NOT resign. Integrationist MLAs should rally across the party lines to keep the current administration in power. Kiran Kumar Reddy is a staunch integrationist. He should be in power and defy Congress Party diktats that come from Delhi. If integrationists across parties covertly support the current government, keeping Kiran in power is a piece of cake."
@Vam
Are you referring to me when you say
"One of the article posted by you, you are complete lier(LIAR), change of strategy every time, we always on one strategy Telangana." atleast convey what u want to say lucidly thats "clearly" mate I am not sure what was ur conclusion… I'll assume by the look of it that ur for Telangana at the first look… LOL
If thats the case then be specific point them out then I'll think about replying or else for ever hold ur peace.
Did u get my point Bro just don't post nything if you can't back them up..
And by the way lemme give u a short KT u know wat KT means right "Knowledge Transfer" I sure hope u do… there is absolutely zilch that means zero result for an assembly resolution against the De-merger. Thank heavens for the visionaries who framed our constitution it is just an opinion taking exercise not a binding rule for the state assembly to pass a favourable resolution for the Demerger or formation whatever u'ld to call it. The President for sure would agree to placing the bill and w'ld refer it to the State assembly, no matter how hard u try it will be upto the central govt to take a descision on introducing the bill in the parliament which is inevitable.. hell majority of the parties are in favour of Telanga which by the way is just, so u might as well reconcile to the fact that Telangana is gonna be reality or else forever hold ur peace… or whatever
And don't hide behind acronyms, Vam I assume is Vamshi say it out loud u don't have to be so secretive this is not a clandestine blog last time I checked…:)
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