రాష్ట్రపతి ప్రణబ్ ముఖర్జీకి పది ప్రశ్నలు

ఆంధ్ర ప్రదేశ్ అసెంబ్లీకి ముసాయిదా బిల్లు వచ్చిన సందర్భంగా విశాలాంధ్ర మహాసభ రాష్ట్రపతిని పది ప్రశ్నలు అడుగుతోంది:

1)      రాష్ట్ర విభజన ప్రక్రియ రాజకీయావసరాల కోసం దుర్వినియోగం కాకుండా భారత రాజ్యాంగం రాష్ట్రపతికి ప్రత్యేక హక్కులను కల్పించింది. మీరు ఈ హక్కులను సద్వినియోగిస్తారా?

2)      రాజ్యాంగంలోని ఆర్టికల్ 3 అత్యవసర పరిస్థితుల్లో మాత్రమే వినియోగించబడుతుంది అని డా. అంభేద్కర్ చెప్పారు. ఆదరా బాదరాగా ముందుకు వెళ్తున్న విభజన ప్రక్రియకున్న అత్యవసర పరిస్థితులు ఏంటి?

3)      వేర్పాటువాదుల ఆరోపణలు అసత్యం అని శ్రీకృష్ణ కమిటీ నిరూపించింది. అయినప్పటికీ, ఎలాంటి సహేతుక కారణాలు చూపించకుండా రాష్ట్రాన్ని విభజించటానికి కేంద్ర ప్రభుత్వం పూనుకోవటం, తెలుగు ప్రజలకు భారత దేశంపై వ్యతిరేక భావాలు కలిగించే విధంగా లేదా?

4)      ఆంధ్ర ప్రదేశ్ పార్లమెంట్ సభ్యులు అవిశ్వాస తీర్మానం పెడితే లోక్ సభ స్పీకర్ కుంటి సాకులతో చర్చ జరగనివ్వలేదు. ఈ అప్రజాస్వామిక పధతులు రాష్ట్ర అసెంబ్లీలకు తప్పుడు సంకేతాలు పంపట్లేదా?

5)      మాతృ రాష్ట్రం సమ్మతి లేకుండా రాష్ట్రాల విభజన చెయ్యకూడదన్న సర్కారియా కమిషన్ సిఫారసుతో మీరు ఏకీభవిస్తారా?

6)      ఈ మధ్యలో జరిగిన అన్ని రాష్ట్రాల విభజనలలో అసెంబ్లీ తీర్మానం పెట్టటం జరిగింది. అత్యంత వివాదాస్పదమయిన ఆంధ్ర ప్రదేశ్ రాష్ట్ర విభజన విషయంలో సమాఖ్య స్పూర్తికి వ్యతిరేకంగా ఆ సాంప్రదాయాన్ని విస్మరించటం ఎంత వరకు సబబు?

7)      రెండు రాష్ట్రాలకు ఉమ్మడి రాజధాని రాజ్యాంగపరంగా ఏ విధంగా సాధ్యం?

8)      హైదరాబాద్ నగర శాంతి భద్రతలపై గవర్నర్ కు ఇచ్చిన ప్రత్యేక హక్కులు రాజ్యాంగ విరుద్ధం కాదా?

9)      371 D&E అధికరణాలకు రాజ్యాంగ సవరణ తప్పనిసరి అని అటార్నీజనరల్ హెచ్చరించినప్పటికీ, కేంద్ర ప్రభుత్వం అవసరం లేదు అని పట్టుబట్టటాన్ని మీరు సమర్థిస్తున్నారా?

10)  విభజన జరిగితే ఆంధ్ర ప్రదేశ్ రాష్ట్రం తెలంగాణా రాష్ట్రానికి విద్యుత్తు అమ్మాలని నిర్బందించడం రాజ్యాంగ వ్యతిరేకం కాదా?

 

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  1. VK says:

    If BJP supports telangana bill in Rajyasabha/Parliament, it will be equal, if not more, to Congress in humiliating the telugus. If BJP really want seema-andhra votes, it should simply vote against telangana bill in rayasabha and parliament.

    BJP rule in KN clealry illustrated that it is no different, or may be worst, than Congress. So SA will be better off by not voting to any National party.

  2. mohan says:

    Our honourable President, who worked in several capacities including Union Finance Minister, did not even know, If T bil  should be construed as Money bill or Not. How come he blindly approve for its introduction in Rajyasabha in Midnight after his return from MH not even seeking proper legal opinion except talking to shinde. I came to know from news that he sought legal opinion from home ministry and not from Ministry of Law. NO WONDER INDIAN PRESIDENTS ARE RUBBER STAMPS. Leave alone congress party, why should he also be in such haste to move the bill and attempt to sign it in mid night after counsellign with people in midnight.

    Looks SA has become abhimanyu fighting all kauravaas(bhisma, karna, dhrona etc.,) against them( the presdient, primeminister, whole union cabinet, Parliament  and whole rest of India) ganging up agaisnt it.

    And I have seen on TV, our famous nyayavadi and nyaya nipunulu Ghanta Chkrapani convinently argues quoting article 3 (only) that the bill can be introduced in either of the houses (ignoring money bill tangle). As I said eariler T vaadies very well know, how to apply filters to thier arguments so make thier arguments win, and carry T people with thier highly filtered and carefully selected fragmented peices of data from history, constitution and current day happenings..

  3. Ashish Kumar says:

    BJP rule in Karnataka is an exception to its efficient rule in MP, Chattisgarh, Gujarat, Rajasthan and with allies in Bihar, Punjab and HP. In the first 3 states, people elected BJP, 3 consecutive times to power. More important is that BJP has an experience of just about 15 years running administrations compared to over 65 years for the congress and BJP has always learned from experience without coming up with a 'dirty tricks' bag to keep some dynasty in power. 

    In Rajasthan, inspite of the fact that congress promised "free everything" (right from medicines to laptops), people OVERWHELMINGLY voted for BJP to give it 80% seats. This is what separates "right headed" people from "free pathakam" people. While right headed people search for ways to EVOLVE, "free pathakam" people search for new ways to experience more and more HUMILIATION and become a national joke.

    I am NOT saying that BJP is a political SAINT, BUT BUT BUT it is far far far ahead of all other dynasty based parties whose sole aim is to enjoy power within the dynasty and create conditions to perpetuate dynastical power based on right combination of castes.

    BJP has constantly supported Telangana and never changed that decision unlike ALL other parties who did u-turns based on seats projections. IF SA people stand for principles, atleast appreciate them for some principles. Even today BJP is the only party that is demanding in Parliament that full justice should be done to SA by including financial outlay in the bill for the new state (while the congress wants this to be out of the bill to be taken up by the financial commission).

    BJP has divided Madha Pradesh but both the divided states voted back BJP to power – already 3 times so far. Why? Because the people in these states think with their head and not with their heart or kidneys. I have been to both these states for extended periods of stay and no where have I found even a single person even with an iota of bitterness due to their state being divided. Most say that BJP is the best to happen to their state in terms of all round progress.

    BJP's core DNA is nationalism, while every other parties thrive on caste based, regional based divisions among the people, widen these divisions and benefit electorally. Let us accept the fact that most SA politicians are nothing but real estate brokers and business men and it is these people who KEEP appearing under either congress or TDP or YSRCP, depending on which way the wind blows. For them the party does not matter and neither do any principles. What matters to them is the next real estate opportunity to make even more money.

    The PAST HISTORY of Telugu people was based on parties of real estate brokers throwing bread crumbs at people in the guise of free pathakams funded by public money and telling people that a they are doing a big favour. Have they brought a single manufacturing unit to AP in the last 10 years ??? All of these went to Tamil Nadu, Pune, Gujarat and Karnataka.

    Now is the time for Telugu people to REBOOT themselves by seeking COMPLETE CHANGE from their PAST and that is why BJP is the best option. But if Telugu people decide to wallow in the mud pit of casteism and free pathakams, then they can give 10 seats to YSRCP, 10 seats to TDP and 5 seats to congress and continue with their past and soon become a national joke. The first fight will start where the capital should be located (3rd humiliation) based on the concentration of certain castes.

    While T people will vote for TRS which will align with BJP in the centre and benefit from all the central support for growth and development.

    Recently I have been to a particular town in East Godavari very famous as a pilgrimage site and say the dirtiest town in my life with no roads to speak of, mud and filth every where, the bus stand was full of pigs than people, drainage on roads. (I have been to many backward places in Bihar but found this town to be worse than them). I asked a rickshaw wallah which party did he vote for and why. He stated that he voted congress because of free power. and I asked him which party will he vote now?. He stated he will vote for a better "free pathakam" party which will give him free electricity for 24 hours unlike the congress which gave free electricity for 4 hours.

    Spread the message of CHANGE and VOTE for CHANGE. Yes, We SHOULD (next version of Yes, we CAN :-) )

    • Kiran says:

      While your intentions may be good you are just carried away by BJP "efficency" hype. Gujarat, MP or Raj dont hold a candle to AP when it comes to adminstration efficency. They dont have the IT industry, the airport or even a port city like Vizag(referring to Guj here). They dont have locally gone large corporates like infratech(GMR, GVK, Lanco etc), IT which compete globally. AP has one of the lowest povertyy rates in the country and one of the highest track record of implementing anti-poverty initiatives in the country. And they dont have even one-tenth of film industry that we have.

      And all those initiatives and industry have happened under active guidance of govt in AP unike gujarat which has historic trade connections with abroad.

      Finally BJP is not a babe in the woods it knows very well dividing a state when assembly condemns it is morally dicey. Even a single comment against Modi is spun as insult to Gujarat atmagaurav. If they gang up at Delhi to divide this state I am not going to stand as beggar in front of them for economic grants.

      • GK says:

        All the GMR, GVK, Lancos will continue to thrive in two states moving forward…while generating more opportunities for similar upcoming firms…it is the inclusive development that India needs so we can produce more and more industrialists, politicians, businessmen,…

        All are citizens of India and Hyd is for all…

        • Kiran says:

          Ofcourse they will survive and they will thrive even more in smaller states. What is doubtful is emergence of new firms in small states formed with small minds.

          You have been trying hard for a while here with your forked tongue approach of "all are indians" and "seemandhra re hostile" as it suits your pathetic brain. Grow up a little.

  4. VK says:

    1. BJP misrule in KN is indication for this north indian party inability to rule south Indian state. Ruling in AP could only be compared with that in KN. Since BJP failed miserably in ruling KN, there is no guarantee that it will do any better in AP.

    2. BJP said one vote two states in 1998 in kakinda meeting, then we know what LKA said about telangana in his letter to one of the MPs in 2002. Mr. Advani also said as regards the cases of Uttaranchal, Chhattisgarh and Jharkhand, they stood on a different footing where the parent State felt that a part thereof may be reconstituted into a separate State. In other wards, NDA created 3 states with the approval of parent state assemblies. AP assembly didn't approve AP re-organisation bill. So why would BJP agree for AP re-organisation withouth AP assembly approval.  Moreover, BJP created states seaprated without the existing capital or financial burden to the parent states. So your justification for BJP supporting telangana make no sense.

    In summary, BJP knows very well that it will get nothing by supporting telangana and get several MPs through TDP allignance if it opposes telangana. If NM is as smart as you mentioned, then he will convince BJP not to support telangana bill, which will only benefit Congress and create unrest not only in residual AP but also in other states such as WB (Ghoorkaland), Assam (Bodoland), MH (Vidarbha) and Gujarat (Sourashtra).

  5. Ashish Kumar says:

    @Kiran/VK, I will talk a bit latter between administrative efficiency of BJP and non-BJP states but that is not important here.

    I simply do not understand the direction of your arguments. The division of AP is few days away unless a miracle happens. Thanks to the machinations of the real estate brokers whom the Telugu people have twice elected to power.

    You do not want the BJP in Seemandhra state. From your posts neither do you like the YSRCP or TDP. So what is in your view should be the political future of SA region? If people like you are unable to give cogent reasons about the best political way forward for the SA people, how on earth do you expect the masses to decide what their future should be ?

    Let us debate to have a constructive political future for SA region and not sit and cry over milk that has already been spoilt. My take is that BJP is the better of the devils to give a new direction to the future of Telugus. What is in your view the best party to take SA forward? Any good ideas backed up by logical reasons and not emotional ones ?

    • Chandra says:

      @Ashish kumar,

      I understand what u r trying to convey. Let me say this.

      1.BJP can get handful of MP seats in Seemandhra, GHMC and southern Telangana districts, but they need to do something concrete. (In my view it is  foolish to reason with  5 north Telangana  districts where people historically demonstrated  natural tendency  towards violent  extremism and eternally fighting with govt in the name of  rights,for decades).

      2. So If BJP can deny the present unconstitutional and undemocratic  efforts in trying to bifurcate AP  insulting the citizens of AP, BJP will have extremely good prospects in the remaining 18 districts of AP. It will have this impact for decades in southern India.

      But, they need to boldly expose the present UPA govt tactics and foil them successfully.

      AP  assembly  sent a resolution with majority affidavits opposing the bifurcation which is an open truth. SO unless supreme court clarifies this, Andhra pradesh is non negotiable. If BJP can understand this, yes you are right. BJP will be in the serious game in AP during elections.

    • Kiran says:

      It was not real estate brokers who are dividing the state it is the parliament where two "national" parties called INC and BJP ganged up against AP. Lets be clear who are responsible for what. I am not interested in politics i am interested in society. If we articulate powerfully what happened and how it is wrong – every political party will change. 

      My problem with your thought is you want Telugu people to serve a party which is keen on dividing them without any basis in hope of some economic bones being thrown in their directions. That is not acceptable to me. Packages never build a society.  BJP is tainted if they support t bill in parliament and for telugu people to forgive the taint for future packages is gicing a signal that they are willing to be humiliated for money. Essentially it is prostitution of a society.

      Ideally I will prefer a new party like Kiran's party which breaks clean from existing political parties. I would prefer YSR and TDP party to change their names and take a "re birth" of sorts if a new state is formed.

      • Ashish Kumar says:

        @Kiran, VK

        Let me play the devil's advocate.

        1. congress, TDP, YSRCP all at various points had Telangana in their manifesto and even aligned with a avowed pro-division party like TRS. INSPITE OF THIS, the Seemandhra people voted for these parties in 2004 and in 2009. Kiran won on congress ticket whose manifesto promised T. CBN officially gave a letter supporting division. Is this not true???

        2. Now after all these hungama, you want to again vote for the same "politicians" as long as they change the name of their parties. Great logic !!! It is this unprincipled superficial Janus-faced behaviour I accuse the SA people of. Just because the name of the party is changed, SA people believe that sinners will become saints.

        3. BJP is the only party that never changed its stance on division. A known enemy is better than a unknown friend.

        If this is the thinking of Telugu intellectuals, then let Seemandhra wallow in the mud pit of congress, TDP and YSRCP politicians who will rebrand themselves as Jai Telugu party, Jai Seemandhra party and Telugu nadu party and continue what they are good in – real estate brokering (more opportunities in SA region), free pathakams and a promise of yet another state.

        What you are suggesting is EXACTLY the game these 3 parties are playing out – allow division amidst drama and then later rebrand themselves as martyrs for Telugu cause. Why are you so angry about what is being played out ? It is exactly as per script.

        • VK says:

          In Summary, all parties including BJP cheated seema-andhra people. Only way BJP could be better than them is by opposing telangana bill. If not, seema-andhra should vote to a new a new party or TDP (lesser evil) provided it won't support BJP at the centre. Because, as you said, a known enemy TDP is better than an unknown friend BJP.  As I mentioned before, North Indian party BJP is no different from Congress in mis-ruling, its rule in SouthIndian state KN proved that.

          • Ashish Kumar says:

            The meaning of the word "cheating" is to "promise someone something knowing fully well that the promise cannot be delivered, dishonest behaviour".

            BJP from Day 1 has been in support of Telangana and it has been ever consistent in its stand. Is this not true? It is the other parties that consistently changed their stance as per the time and as per the region in which the promise was made. And people consistently voted for these parties. Is this not cheating? OR do you mean to say that the definition of cheating has been changed in the SA region?

            TDP aligned with BJP in since 1997 and this was period until 2004 when AP became the most happening state not only in India but globally. AP immensely benefitted from the TDP-BJP alliance with CBN being the convenor of the NDA. Had TDP continued the alliance in 2004, AP would have been a Singapore by now. But TDP broke the alliance. Vinash kale viprit buddhi !!! And now you want TDP not to support BJP in the centre.

            BJP's vote share in Karnataka varies between 25% to 30%. It has mismanaged Karnataka as that was its first rule and BJP has publicly acknowledged that things in Karnataka went wrong. How can BJP be a north indian party when it has already ruled Maha, Gujarat and Orissa, unless all these states had a tetonic plate shift overnight and moved north?

            If this is the kind of thinking of Telugu intellectuals, there is certainly a cause for concern for the SA region after division. OR may I say that it is precisely because of this kind of thinking that has led the Telugu Jati to where it is now?

            • VK says:

              Who promised and what promised. What did Sri Krishna Committee, which constituted with the agreement of all political attended the meeting on 5th Jan. 2010, report said about telangana? Doesn't agreeing to the formation SKC  bypass all other previous discussions about telangana. If not, why did TRS and the other telangana (TG) politicians agree for the SKC.

              Let us assume the so called politicians agreed for telangana, which doesn't mean bifurcation in such a way that it harm seema-andhra (SA). It is like killing a patient through bad operation and claiming that the patient relatives gave consent for the operation.

              Really! BJP never changed its stand on telangana. Should I remind you about LKA letter regarding telangana? 

              I failed to understand your logic of NDA-TDP allignance. Both parties lost 2004 elections, if they had won then what you said regarding the allignance might some relavance.

              BJP is a non-SouthIndian party (are you happy?). It is not unusual to call outside south as north, which is like saying all south indians as madrasis.  I agree it is wrong but you don't have to be so technical to prove you have knowledge in Geogoloy. So BJP has habbit of ruling badly in first term, if it were the case why should SA vote to BJP to get first term of bad ruling?

              Any one (whether it is telugu or otherwise) with good thinking should never vote to opportunistic and communal parties such as BJP. So it is better to stick, as you rightly said, known devil (such as TDP) than unknown angel BJP. If BJP really know about SA, then it wouldn't support the bill that claimed by LKA as worst ever bill in his entire political life.

              • Kiran says:

                2004 people elected congress in state – it promised an SRC in state manifesto not division. 2009 people elected congress in state – telangana was not even there in the state manifesto. So what cheating ? the only cheating is done by Delhi and Parliament where congress and BJP may gang up.

  6. Ramesh says:

    What is the basis for Loksabha speaker not to take up the no-confidence motion ? She has not even tried to check if the motion has support from 10% members of the sabha ?

    On what basis these sessions Legal ? Irrespective of the business carried out.

    • Ashish Kumar says:

      The reality is that as per Article 3, the state can express its view but the state has NO VETO power over its division. THAT power rests with the Parliament. That is why we are INDIAN UNION and NOT a United States of India. Please remember this.

      If the SA politicians were genuinely interested to stop division, they would all have resigned and got the assembly dissolved just before the President referred the bill to the assembly. Then the President would have had to wait till the new assembly reconstitutes and then send the bill to the assembly for its views. This would have been the ONLY way to have stopped the division for the time being. But the SA politicians did not do that. Why?

      • Ramesh says:

        I am not speaking about article 3 here.

        I am only asking about the no-confidence motion. Can the speaker completly ignore the motion without even trying to ascertain if the motion has support from 10% members of the house ?

  7. GK says:

    Is it going to be the last day for us to debate on Yes/No for T?

    • Chandra says:

      You need to understand the  consequences of this.  Basically UPA govt is trying to cheat Telangana people by denying them 371D facility. They are cheating SA by saying joint capital. This bill  wil be good for the SA people staying in Hyd and bad for outside SA people. No employee or police officer is going to be transferred to remaining part of the state. With new situation in Hyderabad , Telangana people  might face good amount of difficulty in private sector jobs in Hyd, for a considerable time.

      AP resolution with affidavits of support  rejecting this bill, is going be a pain in the neck for separatists for a  long time. Even if bill the passes in the parliament it's not gonna survive in the court of law. This will be settled only in the supreme court for good. so you can still hang around this place for a while.  :)

      • GK says:

        There will be a diff situation after separation, true. Mulki or 371D all were because of SA, it is the irony that SA ppl use the violation of it as a counter argument, no state has law…If parliament passes it I will not follow any court cases, they will be useful for law interns. 

        • Chandra says:

          GK, u have been with us for over 3 years here. But I have not seen u having learnt anything. Zero improvement in the quality of your argument. I once gave u homework about a topic, come here and discuss  . u never did it.

          Do u know a candidate for teacher job from adilabad need not score as high as from Karimnagar or RR? 371D is the one which T youth are demanding (unequal developement within T). You used T youth  for agitation, now u want to dump them. Flood those dists with KNR , HYD,RR  districts candidates,  once zone system is gone.

          I never liked 371D. But it was T proponents who never wanted to face it. If really 371D is striked down by court in march, T will  have to face it. Surely people like u are not going to get affected. Just u will see the bill passed, feel happy and dont care whether u got a fake Telangana or reliable Telangana or completeTelangana etc there are N versions of T.

          • Kiran says:

            GK has been playing a little double game here since recently. The game is to repeatedly declare all indians are same no hatred from seemandhra as soon as telangana becomes reality and AP is kicked out. The hope is telugu people should have no memory of insults and humiliation and live like slaves ..happily eating daily koodu..and pretending that nothing ever really happened…while he will celebreate his"liberation"

            • GK says:

              I cannot use jargon, tone, adjectives, anlogies that are demeaning…I will write in simple language and openness of the facts…from the begining there is only 1 major contention for separation and that is Hyd. It is unfair to make it UT but at the same time SA need all kinds of support in building a new capital.. My objective is to ensure that whoever is living in Hyd should fee home and should have equal rights irrespective of they are…

              • Kiran says:

                The demand for telangana on lies is demeaning to everyone. Creating new borders between people is demeaning – it shows they cant resolve issues through talks . But the pussy that you are you will take issue only with my words.  

                Your objective is really to troll here – the people who created the scare in hyd are KCR, harish rao, TRS who started jaago, bhago nonsense. A propoaganda to which you are a party was build up where andhras were presented as cunning, cruel people just be their birth. As KCR said lanka lo puttinollu.  Instead of going there you purposely come here to offer "assurances" under some anonymous name "GK". Bugger off from here and grow up a bit.

  8. Mr. Chakravarthy:

    Your response to the following please:

    1. Lagadapati Rajagopal attacking the speaker & other MP's with pepper spray inside the Loksabha, causing injuries to several parliamentarians

    2. Moduluga Venugopal Reddy brandishing a knife inside the Loksabha

    What if any action should be taken against them?

    • Kiran says:

      Just go and Vent in your blog about it you annoying prick. Why dont you just post views here like any other normal guy instead of insisting and demanding responses from the blog owner for actions he is neither responsible nor created them . whats wrong with you ?

  9. subhash says:

    Mr. Jai,

    Please publish the original and complete version of the incident. Not a Jai or t vadi version

     

  10. GK says:

    Lagadapati will surely win from the new or any party now. If and when CM Kiran will cross him or double cross him is interesting to be seen soon…

    • VK says:

      Lagadapati winning may not be worst than that of Harish Rao, who induced the so called suicides for telangana by faking self immolation, destroyed the statues on tankbund like a talaban and kicked a dalit in AP bhavan.

      There is nothing wrong in using pepper spray for self defence. If Lagadapati used pepper spray for self defence as he claimed, then  there is nothing wrong. However, Harish Rao activities no human being would support or elect him.

      • GK says:

        This is our politicians culture ingraining in us….not saying it is just you VK, most or all of us…

        When asked: Is Jagan involved in corruption?

        The answer: CBN or KCR is the most corrupt.

        • VK says:

          Peppar spray use not same as faking self-immolation, encouraging others to hit JP outside AP assembly. When we become immune to activities such as fake fast, fake self immolation, talban activity of destroying statutes etc, we cann't feel much from pepper spray for self defence. 

  11. Kiran says:

    lagadapati says he used pepper spray when he sensed assault from some goons ( i am assuming Telangana congress MP) – and that justified pepper spray to me and I will believe him until proven otherwise. And there was no knife anywhere it was just a broken mike.  What about attacks on JP in assembly by MLAs ? or even lagadapati by t sepratist goons in Hyd ? what about the dalit officer bashed on live tv by the goon harish ? how in the hell did the govt in delhi allow that case to be dropped ?

     

  12. Kiran says:

    ToI also says that Telangana MP goons assualted L Rajagopal. It is clearly the goons representing t sepratism who led to this fracas. It also appears Venugopal was surrounded and being assualted by a mob of goons. While the details are not clear there is clear possiblity his life is in danger and a pepper spray is very benign in comparision.

    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Telangana-bill-Pepper-spray-in-Parliament-leaves-Indian-democracy-in-tears/articleshow/30358994.cms

    • GK says:

      Irony of Ironies…..

      http://www.deccanchronicle.com/140213/news-current-affairs/article/mp-rajagopal-who-used-pepper-spray-ls-once-moved-bill-curb

      He also did a hospital drama shortly after T announcement by GOI back in 2009…

      • Kiran says:

        So? I enjoyed the drama :-) …far more genuine then the lame confused KCR fasting drama which was forced by students.

        • GK says:

          Enjoyment, you might call, vicarious pleasure it is….

          KCR's fast was not to make mockery of anyone…

          • VK says:

            KCR's fast (with 2000cal intake per day) made mockery of MG's and Potti Sri Ramulu's fast.

          • Kiran says:

            GK"KCR's fast was not to make mockery of anyone…"

            It was drama neverthelss. Pepper spray is not to make a mockery too ..it might have saved a life in parliament.

            • ram says:

              Atleast for some reason you can't live without talking about KCR … Telangana Tiger … Andhra Vennolo Vonuku Putudathi KCR ante – That is the DaMMu. Potti Sri Ramulu did fasting for Seperate Andhra and Gandhi did for Indian – KCR also falls in the same line only difference is 1947,50 … medical technology is not developed and none fast is obstructed by Govt…and in 2009 KCR fast is obstructed by Govt and Medical Technology improved to break his fast — Also remember Jagan fasting where he was cuaght by TV in the midnight for his hours absence at the venue.

              • VK says:

                @Ram (with Ravan attitude)

                Fast with 2000cal intake per day is not called fast whether it is in 2014 or 1947.

                MG and theives also gone to jail for different reasons, which doesn't mean both are the same. So comparing KCR's fast with that of MG/Ramulu is like praising thieves for going to jail like MG during independence struggle.

  13. VK says:

    Peppar spray or dictatorial attitude in introducing telangana bill, which is more dangerous to democracy

    Use of peppar spray for self defence is legal (and it is not lethal) whereas dictotorial attitude in democracy reminds us Hitler. So if anyone is really worried about democracy, then they should worry about the way telangana bill introduced against the majority wish in the affected state.

  14. Anonymous says:

    I am sacred by BJP posturing.

    I as an Andhra cannot bear this telangana taddinam anymore.

    Quicker the seperation better our lives will be.

  15. Arnab says:

    Arnab Goswamy speaking on behalf of all decent law abiding Indians

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=9b02EqUsbGA

    • VK says:

      Peppar spray is not lethal and hence it is legal to carry for self defence. However, faking self immolation, which responsible for the so called suicides for telangana. So HarishRao and people who are using suicides for telangana like the beggars use their disabled children for begging should apologise to whole country.

  16. Chakravarthy says:

    QUOTE—-

    Mr. Chakravarthy:

    Your response to the following please:

    1. Lagadapati Rajagopal attacking the speaker & other MP's with pepper spray inside the Loksabha, causing injuries to several parliamentarians

    2. Moduluga Venugopal Reddy brandishing a knife inside the Loksabha

    What if any action should be taken against them? 

    — END QUOTE

    Dear Jai: Thank you for emailing. Due to my travel I am unable to blog as regularly as I used to before. Regarding your first question. I don't think they are inappropriate at all and are valid questions.

    In any event, I am guessing you have posed that question during the heat of yesterdays frantic news coverage. When my fellow integrationists experssed their horror at what happened in parliament, I urged them to hold their horses and give it a few hours and the truth will emerge. It did as I predicted.

    Separatists continue to amuse me. When they beat up people including peoples' representatives likes JP, Nagam or near physical assault on governor in the assembly, when teachers are chased in OU or when statues are destroyed on tankbund or when I was assaulted there is hardly any outrage. Before I answer whether Lagadapati and Modugula's behavior is justified, the onus is on you folks to answer whether all the violent acts and threats of shooting down helicopters and buses not returning to Hyderabad after Sankranthi etc. over the last decades, what action should be taken?

      

    • Dear Chakravarthy,

      Thanks for the response.

      With the exception of Kavuri (who said he did not support Rajagopal), I am not aware of any of your "fellow integrationists expressed their horror". Even if they did "horror" is not the same as "condemn".

      I trust you are aware that I have condemned violent acts from both Telangana proponents & opponents. Some of my comments are on record at this very blog. I did not demand "reciprocal condemnation" as a pre-condition.

      I speak for myself as an individual and do not represent any "folks". Holding me accountable for what someone else said or did not say is like my blaming you for Lagadapati's attack.

      The honorable speaker is the only authority to decide the appropriate action on these MP's. You & I can make suggestions/requests but she alone has the powers to decide. You will remember Nadendla Manohar exercized similar powers in the Loksatta case.

      You are open to choose to postpone your opinion till all Telangana supporters condemn all violent acts of "fellow" Telanganites. I trust you will agree I am free to interpret this as a refusal to condemn fellow anti-Telangana individuals.

      • VK says:

        Who cares what you think?

        Peppar spray is legal to use for self defence and Lagadapati had already said sorry for the incident, then where is the quesiton of condemning it.

        Did Harish rao said sorry inducing the so called suicides for telangana through fake self immolation. Have you ever mentioned he is the culprit for the suicides?

        How do you we forget the (negative) views on Potti Sri Ramulu's fast, which are also in the record.

        http://www.tupaki.com/news/view/Telanghaghg/52747

        (Thanks to Subash for providing link to this)

      • VK says:

        రక్షణ కోసం పెప్పర్ స్ప్రే వాడుకోవచ్చని సుప్రీం కోర్టే చెప్పింది: సబ్బం హరి

        అపదలో ఉన్నవారు ఎవరయినా తమ రక్షణ కోసం పెప్పర్ స్ప్రే వాడుకోవచ్చని సుప్రీంకోర్టే తీర్పునిచ్చిందని అనకాపల్లి ఎంపీ సబ్బం హరి అన్నారు. అందుకే ఆపదలో ఉన్నప్పుడు మాత్రమే ఎంపీ లగడపాటి స్ప్రేను వాడారని తెలిపారు. అలాంటప్పుడు పార్లమెంటులో దాన్ని ఉపయోగించడం తప్పుకాదన్నారు. లగడపాటి వాడిన స్ప్రే వల్ల ఎవరికీ, ఎలాంటి ఇబ్బంది కలగలేదన్నారు. దానివల్ల కాసేపు కళ్లు మండుతాయి తప్ప ఏమి కాదని వివరించారు.

        • దయ చేసి కేసు వివరాలు ఇస్తారాండీ?

          కాస్సేపు కళ్ళు మండడం కాదు, తాత్కాలిక అంధత్వం వస్తుంది. 100 చదరపు గజాలలో 30-40 మంది ఒకరినొకరు తోసుకుంటున్న సందర్భంలో 10 మందికి 5 నిముషాలపాటు కళ్ళు కనిపించకపోతే ఏమి జరుగుతుందో ఊహించగలరా? అసలు ప్రమాదం కన్నా తొక్కిసలాటలోనే ఎక్కువ హాని జరుగుతుందని మనకు విదితమే.

    • Kamal says:

      No need for your further views, your view is clear by questioning about previous incidents.

      But National media got a an idea of how these Morons can be, esp the likes of Langapati, Yenugula,
      Idiots thought getting some national media time but instead got a super browbeating in return
      http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5p_KO6JUBjU
       

      • VK says:

        Instead of commenting like a moron, please tell us why using peppar spray in self defence is wrong. The so called educated idiots who know nothing but blindly follow some lies spread by the separatists and come here writing rubbish.

        • VK says:

          Did parliament released official video of the incident? Nevertheless, Lagadapati said sorry for the incident and said he did for self defence. If men and women are equal, then pappar spray use by women is leagal then why it is illegal to be used by men for self defence. Whether Lagadapati use for self defence (of him or to protect the other MP) or not can only known from the official CCTV at that time.

          I have seen videos of Harish Rao pouring coloured water and could not find matches, (which intiated the so called suicides for telangana), hitting a dalit in AP bhavan, KTR encouraging others to beat JP outside AP assembly, KCR drinking juice after one of the fake fast and destroying statues on tanakbund like talabans.

          If Lagadapati using peppar spray for self defence is transgender (so you think all transgenders are bad?), then Harish Rao and others above mentioned and those supporting them are inhuman.

          • Kamal says:

            Provide the video, which shows that he used it for self defence. Yes parliament did not release the video, then how can you say that its for self defence. Please grow up and be better than those morons who posted ads on TV for this despicable act.
            Men and Women are definitely not equal in all aspects, thats why there's a Nirbhaya law for them and not for men. Feminists use the equality aspect for better representation of women it doesn't mean men can use it other way round to ask for men's reservation quota. Grow up !!!
            About the incidents of TRS likes, you can cry all you want about them & write whatever you like. I dont care. I didn't support them with those acts.
            I never said its bad for women/transgenders to use pepper spray, but its definitely disgraceful for men to use it, however if Langapati is not a Man enough then he can use it. No issue in that, the issue now comes with using it in the temple of Democracy- The Parliament, for which he should be banned for life from entering it.

             

            • VK says:

              1. Innocent until proven guilt and only morons say otherwise.

              2. Please show me the law which says peppar spray usage is legal only for females. Reservations in BC/SC/ST applicable to both men and women. So you mean men in those categeories are not equal to men on open categeory?

              3. You are the one crying that you have cheated/loted and not us. Yes Lagadapti should be banned if he found guilty and similarly other politicians who are guilty of various issues mentioned also need to be panished. Only idiots cry for separtion by using idiotics things and support blindly drunkard and 420 dubai sekhar.

              • Rajagopal admits he used pepper spray. Section 58 of Evidence Act says "facts admitted need not be proved".

                He claims he did so under self defense i.e. he is invoking "private defense" sections of IPC. According to established legal procedures, anyone making this claim has to prove it.

                The onus is on Rajagopal to provide evidence.

                • VK says:

                  Does he need to provide evidence to you?

                • Kiran says:

                  He is invoking a section? he needs to comply to a legal procedure ? he needs to provide evidence ? who the hell has even made a charge against him  and in which court?did you just hallucinate that a chargesheet was filed against him and he is now in a court of law ? do you really need to prove how much idioter can you get ?

                  You just said in a previous post  that speaker needs to investigate then why did you hop on before laying wild charges of knife pepper spray? what is the kujli ? to make a spectacle of yourself ? – you have alread accomplished it.

                • Kiran says:

                  above comment is at jai – just in case it is not obvious name :-)

                • Kamal says:

                  @Kiran
                  I did not speak about Knife ever, and about the pepper spray Evidence is clearly out there and if you are dumb enough to find it.
                  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WcS8HAAL4oA
                  This video can help you, where he is explaining how he did it.

                • Kiran says:

                  it was meant fir jai somehow the blog is not sequencing it proper

                • VK says:

                  You mean if a person admits of using peppar spray to protect herself or her friend being molested, that person has to reentact what happened earlier with perpetrator infront of police/court to prove her innocence.

              • Kamal says:

                Who is innocent, what are you talking about ?
                What are you talking about, moving from 1 post to another. You started with women equality and questioning why men can't use with the same logic. I proved why its moronic and illogical. It was never about reservation based on caste, caste based reservations are there because of a different logic.
                When did i cry about you looting us ?,
                i came here to talk about Langapati incident,
                Who is crying about what can be clearly seen these days, begging, crying, in Delhi streets 

            • Ved says:

              The parliament becomes Temple of democracy. We will see how long that last. If tommorow the bill is not passed in Parliament and a year from now BJP introduces it with Hyderabad as UT, Badrachalam to SA , and most importantly some financial package and educational institutes to SA ( which is more hurtful to you than the other two), I hope you still bow to parliament and accept the division. This is like a monkey trying to resolve disputes between two cats. At any time it appears one cat is better off than other and revers the Monkey. Your Temple of democracy is just that. So wait and cry when the other cat revers the so called Temple.

              • mohan says:

                well said Ved.. In the same node, will kCR and band wagon agree Assembly is also a temple and has same sanctity to reflect democtratic values as much as parliament. In that case.. why did harish rao stoop on tables.. why did T goons tear up papers. how was governer almost beaten..his mike pulled.. his speach papers tossed in air..  how was JP beaten in lobbies of assembly.

                on what grounds for  TRS and congress., Parliament is seen as temple of democracy while Assebly is a kallu compound? Every  TRS goon crying foul over lagatipati act.. can they cry equal foul  over harish and KTR for thier acts in assembly..

                As you rightly pointed out by ..what if tomorrow same so called temple of democracy.. during its discussions. makes some amendments to T bill delcrares hyderabad as UT.. will so called MP from T who are now acting angel, keep quite whithout going into well ? will they not resort to blow jobs(which they are used to)…

                Trash.. we dont have to get into arguments with people like Kamal…Unfortunately their brains can accept facts and figures in one frequency. There is no way you can expect them to make a unbiased argument..

                T vaadis are known for reading facts and figures which are filtred to thier arguments.. other are simply filtured out…

                • Kamal says:

                  @Mohan
                  I cannot talk for what is TRS views about the Aseembly, i'm not their spokesperson.
                  As for me it will always be the same for me, atleast i wont go asking for our own country/parliament in the future.
                  Atleast we accept facts & figures, you cannot even go beyond illusional/illogical things like Jathi,Caste
                   

                • Kiran says:

                  @kamal

                  But you can talk about lagadapait without any evidence ..because you are the speaker ?

                • mohan says:

                  Kamal, if talking about telugu jathi is illusion, to me talking about bharata jati is three times illusion. Infact Telugu jathi is not illusion but a universal fact that this existed from more than 2000 years back…evidences exist.

                  On the other hand..bharata jathi is a feeling as agaisnt truth every indian carries. This bharatajathi never existed as country in history until british consolidted it. Even pakistan has to be considered as bharata jati if you have to going by exent of geograhpical boundarties. To me THE ONLY REASON WE TALK ABOUT BHARATA JATHI IS BECUASE WE ARE UNDER CONSTITUTION. OTHER WISE THERE IS NOTHING LESS ONE STATE DOES TO OTHER STATE LESS THAN ANY ENEMTY COUNTRY.

                   MH will build new dams, Karntaka will increase heights to detriment. TN will leave no chance to grab every poject using its all lobbies in centre and abroad to detriment of other states. See yesterday budget…automobiles and mobiles to get excise reduction for what? 70% of this industry housed in TN..

                  Where is this Indian feeling that you are preaching except opportunistic business games and political dramas.. So what is wrong if I chose Teluguness instead of Indianess when that does not give me anything in return except taking our loyal votes

                • Kamal says:

                  @Mohan

                  What are you talking about ?
                  First define Jathi… what is it and what does it mean,
                  from what i know Jathi means a Nation and there was never a Telugu Jathi in existence before….Its a myth/illusion created for Movie songs nothing more than that.
                  But whereas India is in existence presently and i'm sure it shall be there forever.
                  You might be unpatriotic to India and you are free to leave this country no one is asking to stay here, but there are millions of people like me out there who are proud to be an Indian.
                  Lobbying will be there in states also, Giving projects to nellore, cuddapah, chittor, …
                  I can understand your level of knowledge, by the Excise duty reduction comment.
                  Excise duty is a central tax, states dont get anything out of that reduction. Only alcohol excise is a state subject.
                  Finally i advise you again, dont give your votes for Indian parliament if you dont believe in it and you are free to leave the country.

                • mohan says:

                  @kamal,

                   

                  YOu dont have wrorry about my level ofknowledge in taxes and finance bills. I have got three highest academic achievement India can offer to vouch for it.

                  when I mentione about excise reduciton, what meant is, since the industry is concentrated in TN, chidambaram did all effors to support them.

                  The telugu term Jathi came into existience even before the constituion of India was framed so, you dont frame the meaning of the word jathi into a nation bound by constituion with geographical boundaries.

                  The word jathi has been used to men a race or sect of human evoluntion in format by lanugage, by regions  etc.,

                  i hope you will stand corrected and do not expose your little knowledge on finance and tax matters before me…

              • Kamal says:

                @ Ved
                It will always be the same for me, atleast i wont go asking for our own country/parliament in the future. As i said earlier, Who is crying now can be clearly seen these days, begging, crying, in Delhi streets.

            • Anonymous says:

              you are grade-A telangana bidda.

              who has the videos? Kiran here, Chakravarty, Lagadapati or me?

              it is the speaker ans LS secratarite to publish these videos.

              why men should not use pepper spray? Imagine youself overpowered by thugs like Manda, Gutta, Ponnam, Rajayya. You would wish you had sten gun.

              • Kamal says:

                @Anonymous
                I know the LS has video,  pepper spray was used by Langapati is clear and everyone knows that so no need for any new video.
                It is he and you, who are talking about self defence so i asked to prove that. Same thing first prove that he was overpowered by the others.
                Let us assume for once that he was indeed overpowered, even if it was the case my view is that One should standup and fight as long as he can if he seriously believes in what he was fighting for in the first place instead of using pepper spray like women/hijras

                • Anonymous says:

                  helloooo

                  is it not clear that self-defence canot be proved/disproved unless the complete footage is released?

                  are shall we call satya nadella to explain this logic to t-biddaas?

                • Kamal says:

                  @Anonymous
                  Dont talk like a Idiot, how can you prove that he used it for self defence unless there is footage to show that he was ovepowered by others ?
                  Or you are dumb enough to go just by his words and proclaim him like other losers who posted the ads on TV ?
                  And why is Nadella in this scene ?, I fail miserably to get to your doltish level  :(

                • Anonymous says:

                  you continue to be same idotic fellow. How can lagadapati or anyone here produce the footage? if LS release footage lagadapati can prove or fail to prove he claim.

                  If you still do not understand here it is in telgu

                  lagadapati cheppimdi nijamo kaado teliayalamte footage kavaali. adi chooste kaani edi nijamo kaado cheppa lemu. Till then lagadapati gets benifit of doubt.

                  Rub your knees well. That may enhance your thinking.

        • Ved says:

          Let us say for an argument sake that he used pepper spray deliberately to disrput the parliament as that is the only mechanism he has left to protect his people who are getting very raw deal. It worked. Did they come back after an hour to conduct the parliament? No, they are looking for an excuse to avoid debate, and he provided one. He is thinking that the division can by deferred to next parliament by these tactics for 4 more days. The congress is thinking that by using these excuses, they can avoid debate and at the last minute they can pass the bill by voice vote.  

          Don't try to create drama out of this. There are far more worst things that happened in assembly and parliament. What can be more worse than introducing a bill at the last minute to divide the people, only to get votes, when more than half of the people, represented by at least 158 mlas (through written affidavits) rejected the division. That is far more worst and dangerous to this country than the silly pepper spray to which you guys are faking it with crocodile tears. If constitution doesnt care about state assembly's opinion, it doesn't give a squat about using pepper spray in Parliament. Let us not waste bandwidth on this.

          • Kamal says:

            Dont think that "end justifies the means" is applicable in this case, what he did is abhorable and nothing can justify it. And whether it worked or not shall be seen next week, wait for it…..

            The same voice vote was done in the assembly, nothing wrong in doing the same in Parliament  if your people don't grow up and come to terms with the functioning of parliament. Blunt rejection of the bill is not gonna help your cause, wake up and come for discussion of the bill for which everyone is ready.
            What about the 119 MLA's who wanted division, does it just work in the way of majority always if so more than half people in Parliament will vote for passing the bill, be ready for it. I'm all up for disussion of the bill in Parliament and passing it…but definitely not for postponing it now. Yes read it carefully, the constitution doesn't give a damn about state assembly opinion and there is a sound logic for it, if you dont like it, get over it or i would say get the #### out of this country no one cares about your view of the constitution, people are very proud & happy about our constitution and if they are not, they can modify it very well to their likes. And our people definitely care about pepper spray in Parliament, thats why you see such an outpouring of views and primitime coverage (with a proper brow beating) in national media for such despicable acts.

            • Kiran says:

              Feel free to  go and dance around "national" media which never gave  a hoot about either telangana or united ap- its like those hijras in marriages. We here have stronger convictions and better understanding of right and wrong. Arnab shouting or rajdeep wringing his hands is irrelevant.

              • Kamal says:

                Live in your own dream…..If they were so irrelevant why in the first place would your people go to their shows. And why most of these journalists twitter feed is filled up with your losers begging them to cover Seemandhra issues.

              • Kiran says:

                Going to media is diffrent from dancing for them like you and your t sepratist masters are going. Telangana issue was never taken seriously by your "national" media. When arnab interviewed Prince Rahul he asked about 1000 sikhs killed 30 years ago and 800 muslims killed 10 years ago but not a work about t "suicides" or even telangana demand. Figthing for truth and justice will never make us losers – its others who lose though they think they gained something.

  17. Ashish Kumar says:

    1. The SA politicians should insist on Hyderabad (GHMC area) being a UT permanently with people from both regions having equal rights over all opportunities eg: jobs, university and school admissions.

    2. All river waters should be under the administration of a central tribunal.

    3. The development of capitals in T region and SA region should be funded from the consolidated fund of India (this should not be a problem since being a UT all the revenue of Hyd goes to the CFI)

    The above 3 things should be non-negotiable.

    Regarding Samaikhyandhra, I do not understand that with so much washing of dirty linen in public, why would Andhra people want Samaikhyandhra? If the above 3 things are given, it is better to separate.

  18. mohan says:

    Ashis,  from your postings I can fairly guess you are not a Telugu.I dont think you are a party to this dispute. The biggest issue for we telugus is people who are not telugus want to advise use how and what we have to do… Please stay out side this.

    Agreeably, the Issue of seperation has been meted with indifference until media and naxal sympathasisers blew it out of proportions. yes, we telugus are passing through a tough time. But sooner we will settle our differences in the same state or two states… but we will never like involvement of any outsider in this. To me all non telugus are outsiders to this issue.

    All we want is staying United. SA peoople (atleat people like us)  are not fighting for Hyderabad or waters. We are fighting to save our race against monsters around us like Marathis and Tamils who will immeditely jump in grab opps the moment state is divided. Already TN and MH made AP their consumer for all their mfg goods and several other businesses. Today the fate of AP is no less than Israel fighting enemies all around

     

  19. Ashish Kumar says:

    @mohan

    My forefathers have settled in Andhra Pradesh since 4 generations, though originally from North. I consider myself a 100% Telugu. I and my family follow Telugu culture, customs, read, write and speak Telugu (at home) better than many Urban Telugus. When I speak Telugu, I do not use a single word of English or Hindi unlike most Telugus. Nenu swacchamaina Telugu matladathanu. Desa bhashalandu Telugu lessa ani nammuthanu. My extended family is split between T and SA regions.

    The only difference between me and others is that :

    1. I have no caste affiliations, unlike many Telugus (pardon me if that is mandatory to be a Telugu).

    2. I have no regional affiliations. I feel I belong to Andhra Pradesh rather than Telangana or Seemaandhra (pardon me if that is mandatory to be a Telugu).

    Do you consider CP Brown as a Telugu ? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Phillip_Brown
     

    • mohan says:

      Days of CP Brown have gone long back. Today we have Sonias, Kamalnath(sikh atrocities fame) , Narendra Modi(musilims attack fam) etc., who want to decide fate of telugus. We will never want  involvement OF PEOPLE LIKE THEM

      Both BJP and Congress are equally responsibie for this current turmoil and they dont care becuase they dont belong to this  region. I am astonished to see the rest of India, caring a foot for current day issue in AP. Everybody taking advantage of the situations by taking sides in argument, rather trying to help to reach a amicable solution. Have u seen the haste in which congress want to introduce the bill?(no count of 'I' also in parliament,,6 seconds the bill gets introduced. We dont belive non-telugus will do any favour to us except rediculing us for our state of affairs

      Good to know that you are settled in AP for past 4 generations and are able to speak telugu fluently unlike my other marwari and muslim friends even after 20 genrerations can not say two words or care a foot about telugu food habits or cutlure.

      We will solve it among our selves. If you want to take part without doing a devils advocate job  you are welcome but suggesting national parties who messed us up more than any body then you are not welcome. I will be three times happier if AP is ruled by TRS or even for that matter (last but not least Jagan)  than it being ruled by congress or BJP. After all they dont belong to thid LAND OF OURS.

      More strong reasons emerging for me consider my self as telugu than Indian, since that India  utterly failed to solve the problem instead fuelling the problem and sacvengering on the problem

      • Chandra says:

        I understand Mohan's feelings completely but I do not agree that non telugus do not have any say in this. Ashish kumar has every right to speak his mind and propose a solution. Those solutions from non telugus, if they are towards keeping the unity or fair share distribution certainly goes well. But, if those solutions abet more extremism or disturbing the status quo, or separation of communities certainly they will be resisted with full force in any developed society.

        If a non kashmiri proposes a solution to strengthen unity of Kashmir towards India,or more rights for Kashmiris for better amalgamation in India, they should go very well. But if an external force abets extremism, that not going to be allowed.

        Several non telugus in India are trying to put fight between Andhras and divide us. Earlier external rulers divided us. Now fellow countrymen, Home ministry, President and PM of India are dividing Andhra pradesh people forcibly. Those things shall be exposed and foiled by using all possible methods and will go to any extent to stop this from happeneing anywhere in India, in future also.

        Mohans comment is 100% true that with the moves of parliament, Telugu identity is getting stronger at the cost of Indian identity.

        I appreciate Ashish kumar for clarifying about himself.

        • Kiran says:

          If Ashish Kumar  a resident of  AP and considers himself telugu then he is one – period. Anyone can disagree with his opinion( I still do in parts) but nobody should question his identity in my opinion. 

      • Anonymous says:

        Mohan,

        this is not the first time Andhras insulted in Independent India. In 1956 they sown seeds to damage our culture by merging with incompetent sub-standard tribe. Even after six decades of association they have not advanced in any manner except for licking Italian legs. Now the independent India branding us as looters while actually taking away the wealth from us.

        Wealth does not matter, we can build it again. It is difficult to imagine only Telugu Talli without Bharatha mata. We must separate politically from India, while retaining  people-to-people relation with India.

         

        • VK says:

          I agree with what you said below due to the centre behavious

          "We must separate politically from India, while retaining  people-to-people relation with India."

          However I strongly disagree with your thinking that telugus from one region are different from those from other regions. All telugus are same independent of region, caste, creed and religion.  In fact you are indirectly supporting telangana separatists view that telangana telugus are different from those from seema-andhra.

        • Satya says:

          >>  We must separate politically from India, while retaining  people-to-people relation with India.

          That proposal was initially made by none other than Puchalapalli Sundarayya during Telangana armed struggle & Visalandhra movement. He wished India to be like European union where each state/country is autonomous but part of Indian subcontinent. Actually such views are the main reason for Nehru's relentless opposition to state reorganization.

          Here are the excerpts from his Visalandhra lo prajarajyam.

          http://oi58.tinypic.com/fwnkmb.jpg

      • Satya says:

        @Mohan, Those are most unwelcoming comments. Good that many of the fellow bloggers here disapproved your views. If you visit many of the online forums, or in twitter.. there are numerous non telugus opposing the division of AP and denouncing vote bank politics of Congress & BJP. why to blame north Indians or anyone else when there are rats with in ourselves? If YSR or Telugu leaders of Telangana disagree to division, would have congress dared to do that?

        Is it not true the suggestion for AP division was submitted to BJP central leadership by our Telugu BJP leaders? is it not true CBN agreed for dirty vote bank politics? Lets clean our house  1st before accusing others. 

        Yes. Congress & BJP are culprits, but our telugu leaders are hand in glove with them and viciously trying to choke the throat of Telugu Talli. Shame on such creatures.

        • mohan says:

          Satya,

          You are not able to  get the crux of thepoint.

          Divisive politics is an age old policy of political parties. Both congress and BJP were eager to retain/acquire power in AP. Thats where the issue started. How did BJP Sushma anounce storngest urge of BJP is create T state when she was in AP almost an year back. Our local leaders have brought their leaf from what natinal leaders have to say. so I dont blame local guys.

          The funnies part is even a rougue (settlement goona once upon a time in uttarakhand) now in guise of Baba ramadev had to talk about T(Telun-gena (the way he says) to ban na hi padega. What does hel know about history of telugus and sentiments of T. All national media always had convered T one sided showcasing T arguments to nation.

          I stongly wish, if some one is not aware of the deapth and bredth of problem, if some one can not feel and experience the pain and emotion of division, they should not be a party to the issue trying to take sides.

          Have you heard how did congress do floor managmenet on parliament events on thurdsay? 4 to 5 MP were pitted against every SA MP? shame on democracy.

          Dont you think If shide, chidambaram or moily were not be there in GOM, and if GOM  constituted of only SA and T MPs, they would not have had reached a amicable solution better than those Non-telugu MPs.

          How did natinal Media pounce on SA MPs for happening in Loksabha without even getting into background happenings that day? Does not the media know, Hoor or crook the cngress is determined to bulldoze the bill and no scope for any lenience to SA in that bill. They shameless write that bill could be discusssed with out resorting to such actions in their print media. Doesn't this so called national media know the SA ministier have been making suggestions and protesting against draft bill of T for past few weeks and everything has gone invain.?

          I will once again reiiterrate, it will be good if rest of India stop talking about T issue and Parliament leaves this issue on AP assembly. I know T bill has been bulldozed once in assebly but that temperements were different. We telugus are considerate and smart enough to solve our prolems. Our MLA can discuss among them selves when tempers simmer down. What rest of India should do at this point is leave for things to simmer down and give chance to Telugus to decide their own course of action.

           

           

          • mohan says:

            Let me add one more point here…WHAT KCR ASKED DURING HIS FAST IS ONLY 610 REVIEW…BUT WHAT CHIDAMBARAM GAVE IS SEPERTE STATE. AND THE PROBLEM STARTED ALL THERE.

            Shinde can not agree on MH division and can mediate for package solutin to Vidarbha. But when it comes to AP he is three times happy to do that..

            Ask moily if he wants Karntatka division on the basis of languge and cultre into thres seperate states?

             now tell me why I should not start suspsecting motives of MPs from neibhouring states. Why should I allow rest of India to finger in affairs of my state when they cant do a good job

    • VK says:

      @Ashish Kumar

      Thank you for telling us that like telugu.

      However, I am little confused with you generalisation such as caste feeling. Most of the people who participate in this website are telugus (including you) but have you  ever seen any one of us discussing about caste?

      I am against AP bifurcation, have ever seen any of us (unitedAP supporters) showing regional feelings?

  20. Kiran says:

    Sonia Gandhi's personal hate against Telugu and telanganite PVNR.

    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/india/Sonia-Gandhi-P-V-Narasimha-Rao-had-strained-relations-Cong-minister/articleshow/30507868.cms

    The present reckless division could indeed be due to some personal hate of telangana separatist godess sonia against a real bidda like pvnr and the state which supported pvnr by not putting any opposition candidate,

    • Ashish Kumar says:

      Kiran,

      When Hyderabad international airport was not named after PVR, how many Telugu intellectuals protested ? That ofcourse includes you and me too. Every Pathakam is named after the Gandhi family by the congress and the Telugu people gave the largest number of seats ever from any state to the congress.

      Also in this forum, I do not see views on the way forward except that we want Samaikhyandra. Watch JP's excellent interview http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=45KMrUtnbZM

      We have to accept that walls have been erected between T and SA people, unintentionally AND intentionally. JP talks about 3 cases – 6 point formula, GO 610 and SC judgement on Hyd free zone. I do not see any proposal from integrationists that goes something like this:-

      1. We want samaikhyaandhra.

      2. Yes, there have been errors done in the past – 6 point formula, GO 610 and 14(f). We will pass an act in the assembly to implement these resolutions in a time bound manner. What about assembly passing such an act with unanimous voting?

      3. we will renew the backward districts development board though an act of the assembly and ensure minimum disparity among all regions in the next 10 years.

      4. If the above are not implemented in 10 years time, then the state should automatically be divided.

      I do not see any such forward looking proposal from SA region other than that we want samikhyandhra. If Telugu people do not come together and ensure that injustice done in the past is corrected irrespective of regions, then obviously "outsiders" will get a chance to interfere.

      I feel JP is a very balanced individual and what proposal he has to solve the issues should be taken seriously.

      As JP says, the extremists in T region have so brain washed the people, that if some drainage system in a town in T is not working, they blame that on a united state.

      Except hot heads on both sides, I do not see more JPs speaking out for a peaceful solution that will keep the state united. Simply shouting samaikhayandhra will not do, we need samiakhyandhra with some proactive proposals to assuage feelings on both sides. But this has to come from level headed sincere people who talk with some sense and logic. It will not come from real-estate brokers cum politicians who see the Telugu land as a real estate "bit".

      • VK says:

        "errors done in the past – 6 point formula, GO 610 and 14(f)"

        Even if you asseume that there are errors in 6 point formula, 610GO and 14f, how they are connected only to telangana? Telangana separatists are using those errors as discrimination against telangana and therefore they want separation and nothing else. Take for example 610 GO, there are zonal wise violations but those violations are not specific to particular region, which discussed in detailed on this blog. So JP may be right in saying they are errors in 6 point formula/610GO and 14f but he is incorrect to support telangana based on those errors.

        610GO introduced by NTR to address errors in 6 point formula, which I understood has already been implemented with few exceptions (those who gone to court for genuine reasons). Since 610GO came into existence because 6 point formula, implementation of 610GO means addressing both 610GO and 6 point formula. Similarly 14f (which prevent others from rest of AP, including those from telangana, to take jobs in Hyd) has been implemented recently. However, I still failed to understand how they are related only to  telangana?

         

        • Ashish Kumar says:

          JP's implying is that because of improper implementation, there is a feeling that more jobs in T region have been lost through irregular "deputations" from other 2 regions. But the same has not happened the other way – SA region losing jobs to people from T region. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1DiA7fkZtOY.  Unfortunately the state of affairs of the state have moved beyond the stage of discussion on statistics. Thanks to congress, TDP and YSRCP who at various points have aligned with TRS/separatist sentiment.

          It is by now clear to T people, that passing the T bill is very close to impossible in the next 5 days. Even it is passed, given the clauses (Governor ruling Hyd) in the bill that require constitutional amendments, the bill will struck down by the courts and the blame will fall on the congress of having moved a flawed bill. Hence T people will very soon come to their senses that ramming a bill through, without a NEGOTIATED SETTLEMENT with SA people is impossible.

          Having that in perspective, SA people also cannot PRETEND that they can continue with business as usual. JP is very clear (and I support him) that separation is a loss to Telugu people and equally, staying united will be a loss too, given the emotional walls that have been erected by the politicians especially on the T side. The question is how can the losses be minimized?

          JP is implying that a negotiated settlement is possible in the assembly which is fair to all regions but only under the condition that Telangana should be formed with Hyd as the capital.

          I have not seen any other Telugu intellectual coming with another proposal that a negotiated settlement can be done even without forming Telangana that can be trusted by the T people. Instead there is too much of tu-tu-mai-mai.

          For the future of the Telugu people, it is imperative for Telugu intellectuals to sideline the hotheads on both sides (who see this entire issue as a real estate issue and a dynastical power issue as TDP, congress and YSRCP are a single family based parties) and the only way to do this is to come forward with concrete proposals based on which a negotiated settlement is possible in the assembly.

          Proposal No:1 is JP's proposal. Is there a proposal No:2 ?

          • VK says:

            What is the fact, did SA people steal TG jobs or not? If JP's proposal is not based on the facts so we cann't blindly support it. 

            Are we forgetting the SKC report? What about the sixth option 6 (keeping state united with regional councils for telangana and may be uttarandhra and rayalaseema) in the SKC reprot? In fact KKR gave detailed presentation to his high command and also to reporters sometime ago. Why should we follow JP's proposal on telangana based on beliefs rather than facts but  not the option 6 of the SKC report?

            Most of the people who participated in 1969 agitation saying that current agitation is milder compared to that was in 1969. If we come over fromt the 1969 agitation, can't we come over from the current agitaiton? 

            In summary, I do agree that AP govt. should work very hard to provide drinking water to fluorosis affected areas (Nalgonda, Prakasam etc) and develop regions that are under developed by year marking some income from Hyd city for these activities. The division for administrative convenience, as your party BJP saying, could only happen only after developing telangana and seema-andhra.

          • Kiran says:

            I agree that a false feelings of injustice have been succefully propoangandized . But do we need to yield to those false feelings ? should we not challenge them ? what answer will we give to our future generations ? we are too scared to respond and stand for truth ? The power maybe with delhi but the fight is in our hands and this will go on.

            I agree there was a massive delay in responding to these allegations. But still there are no excuses for yeilding to it.

            • "Even it is passed, given the clauses (Governor ruling Hyd) in the bill that require constitutional amendments, the bill will struck down by the courts and the blame will fall on the congress of having moved a flawed bill"

              A law does not belong invalid when one or more sections are sttruck down. In 1986, the Supreme Court struck down section 5 of article 371-D (Sambamurthy case). As we know the rest of the article is still in operation.

    • P. Rao says:

      May be Sonia Gandhi expected Prime Minister P.V. Narasimha Rao to take advice from her just like the present incumbent Mr. M.M.Singh. For all his shortcomings the Telugu man, PV, showed independence and refused to take orders from her.    

      • Kiran says:

        Since 1947 Telugu people have trailblazed so many massive paradigm changes which were adopted by the nation to its success. We trailblazed linguistic state creation, we trailblazed poverty schemes such as Rs 2 Kilo rice, we trailblazed coalition politics with National Front under NTR. We trailblazed economic liberalization at Delhi under PVNR and trailblazes state economies under CBN. The trend is in culture sphere too – we showed how pouranic films are made, Shiva was a traiblazer in new genre of realistic angry young man, Satya created a new political genre in Bollywood. I mean anything of real significance to this country we were there right leading from front. The only thing perhaps is we dont have slick english rolling and wagging tongues in Delhi to preach and pontificate in front of media.

  21. VK says:

    Sonia Gandhi insulted PVN, says Congress minister

    http://www.ndtv.com/article/india/sonia-gandhi-narasimha-rao-had-strained-relations-says-congress-minister-484052?pfrom=home-lateststories

    If telangana separatists have any commonsense, then they would know why Sonia is trying to divide telugus.

  22. VK says:

    http://www.ndtv.com/article/india/prakash-karat-refutes-government-s-claim-on-telangana-bill-484134

    Asking all opposition parties to oppose creation of Telangana, Mr YSJ Reddy said, "If it (AP bifirucation) is allowed to happen then it will create a bad precedence. Today it is AP, tomorrow it will be Karnataka, Tamil Nadu or Bengal."

    This should remaind us what happened to Jews in Germany during 2nd world war. They kept quiet when Nazis treating badly the others. Unfortunately when their turn come, then there were no one to support them. So other states, especially linguistic states, should think that it may be AP today but it could be MH tomorrow and WB dayafter tomorrow.

    Although I don't support YSJ politically or believe his stand on unitedAP, he is spot on saying that the way UPA2 trying to bifurcate AP will create a bad precedence.

  23. VK says:

    Telangana issue perfect example of Congress sowing 'seeds of poison': Narendra Mod

    http://www.ndtv.com/article/india/telangana-issue-perfect-example-of-congress-sowing-seeds-of-poison-narendra-modi-484195?pfrom=home-otherstories

    Sujanpur (Himachal Pradesh):  Accusing Congress of pursuing vote-bank politics, Narendra Modi said that the turmoil over the bifurcation of Andhra Pradesh was a perfect example of how the ruling party sowed "seeds of poison".

    "You (Congress) have started this vote-bank politics and now you are blaming us (BJP). It is Congress which sows seeds of poison. Andhra Pradesh is the perfect example to prove that you do 'zeher ki kheti'," Mr Modi said while addressing a rally in Sujanpur. (Highlights of Narendra Modi's speech)

    Taking on Congress chief Sonia Gandhi, the BJP's prime ministerial candidate said, "Madam is saying the next election is for unity and that we sow seeds of poison. But who is doing this? Who started this? Who created rifts between brothers, states? Who differentiated between the rich and the poor?"

    THEN WHY DON'T BJP STRONGLY OPPOSE TELANGANA BILL IN PARLIAMENT?

  24. Chakravarthy says:

    Kamal: I try to keep the site clean. You are free to write anything on this blog. However, bad language will not be tolerated. Some of your posts are being deleted for objectionable language.

  25. Chakravarthy says:

    Jai wrote —————-

    Dear Chakravarthy,

    Thanks for the response.

    With the exception of Kavuri (who said he did not support Rajagopal), I am not aware of any of your "fellow integrationists expressed their horror". Even if they did "horror" is not the same as "condemn".

    I trust you are aware that I have condemned violent acts from both Telangana proponents & opponents. Some of my comments are on record at this very blog. I did not demand "reciprocal condemnation" as a pre-condition.

    I speak for myself as an individual and do not represent any "folks". Holding me accountable for what someone else said or did not say is like my blaming you for Lagadapati's attack.

    The honorable speaker is the only authority to decide the appropriate action on these MP's. You & I can make suggestions/requests but she alone has the powers to decide. You will remember Nadendla Manohar exercized similar powers in the Loksatta case.

    You are open to choose to postpone your opinion till all Telangana supporters condemn all violent acts of "fellow" Telanganites. I trust you will agree I am free to interpret this as a refusal to condemnfellow anti-Telangana individuals.

    ——————

    Dear Jai: Before I make a judgment on Lagadapati's behavior in the parliament, I would like the Speaker to release the videos of the incident. I fully support Lagadapati's right to carry pepper-spray and use it when an assault is imminent. I was privy to an event when Lagadapati was assaulted by separatists just two weeks ago. He was standing on the stage at a Lawyer's meeting in Hyderabad, and our journalist friends pulled him down right in front of my eyes and tried to assault him. Union Govt is using parliamentarians as if they are goondas and sending them into the well. Speaker and the President have forgottent their constitutional duties and are operating hand-in-glove with the government. Yes, integrationist MPs are disrupting the proceedings. However, it is the govt that is sending friendly MPs to stop the no-confidence motion. You can't expect one side to behave like saints while the other side is using every known dirty trick.

    • Dear Chakravarthy,

      Glad to notice you have climbed down from your initial position of demanding reciprocatory condemnation.

      Demanding the honorable Speaker release the videos for all & sundry including foreigners to come to their own conclusions is not fair. It is wiser to request her to pronounce a decision after submitting any evidence you may have.

      Claiming the govt. is instigating violence is a grave charge. The onus is on you to prove it instead of just throwing wild allegations in the air.

      Is your support to using a pepper spray "when an assault is imminnent" totally unqualified?

      Regards,

      Jai

  26. Chandra says:

    Kamal says:February 16, 2014 at 1:18 am"The same voice vote was done in the assembly, nothing wrong in doing the same in Parliamen"

    "come for discussion of the bill for which everyone is ready."

     Telangana draft bill was placed on dec 16 in AP assembly in a similar chaotic situation. But the voice vote on it was not done rejecting it immediately. The bill was thoroughly discussed for 40 days (asked even more time) and then only the voice vote was done. The vote is on the record with the majority of members opposing the bill.The mood of the house was well clear to everybody  and to the speaker.

    Are Telangana separatists saying that parliament also should thoroughly discuss the bill for several weeks (even take more time  and propose amendments) before going for a vote?

  27. P. Rao says:

    @Kiran: "Since 1947 Telugu people have trailblazed so many massive paradigm changes which were adopted by the nation to its success. We trailblazed linguistic state creation, we trailblazed poverty schemes such as Rs 2 Kilo rice, we trailblazed coalition politics with National Front under NTR. We trailblazed economic liberalization at Delhi under PVNR and trailblazes state economies under CBN. – - – - -"

    You are right Kiran. I can add an equal number of noteworthy initiatives and personalities that came from Andhra Pradesh, but desist from doing lest I enrage some zealous t-vaadi. (Up thread some such guy flipped because I addressed someone else as garu!). For people with understanding and good will your list is good enough. It is undeniable that Telugus played a seminal role in independent India. I can't think of any other state to compare. We took the progressive role right from Bengal, who unfortunately are on a tailspin since 1947. The paradox here is worth pondering. At national level, nobody was aware of Andhras or Telugus before 1947. A state for Telugus did not exist before 1953. We came out of Madras and became a bigger state than Tamil Nadu. I read an anecdote that a prominent person from Andhra met Rabindranath Tagore in Shantiniketan and told him that he is from Andhra. Gurudev asked him who are they? Where do they come from? He is the person who wrote Punjab, Sindh – - – Dravida, Utkala – - -in the national anthem.

    Let us hope this great social and secular political entity keeps on progressing either in one piece or two parts. After all, desham means people and not the matti we walk on, a truism given to us by a noteworthy Telugu man. 

    • Kiran says:

      Both Bengal and PunjaB were prominent before partition but now pathetic examples of themselves after they were paritioned on religious lines ..there is a lesson there for Telugu people.

  28. Kamal says:

    Above comment for – VK says:February 16, 2014 at 5:54 am

  29. Kamal says:

    Above comment – for VK

  30. Kamal says:

    @Kiran
    What evidence do you need ?, i was saying from the beginning that he used pepper spray and he is guilty of shaming the parliament and as the Speaker said a blot on this Democracy, disgrace to this country.of
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WcS8HAAL4oA
    He himself is describing how he used the pepper spray, what else do you need ?

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