కాంగ్రెస్, భా.జ.పా లకు రాజకీయ పుట్టగతులు లేకుండా చెయ్యండి
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కాంగ్రెస్, భా.జ.పా లకు రాజకీయ పుట్టగతులు లేకుండా చెయ్యండి
- విశాలాంధ్ర మహాసభ గత కొన్ని సంవత్సరాలుగా తెలుగు జాతి ఐక్యత, రాష్ట్ర సమగ్రత పరిరక్షణల కొరకు ఎన్నో విపరీత, ప్రతికూల పరిస్థితులను ఎదుర్కొంటూ విభజనకు వ్యతిరేకంగా ఉద్యమం నిర్వహించింది.
- విభజనవాదుల ప్రచారాల్ని నిరాధారాలుగా నిరూపిస్తూ పలు మీడియా సమావేశాలు, నిజానిజాలప్రదర్శనలు, కరపత్రాల-పుస్తకాల ప్రచురణలు, హైదరాబాద్ ఢిల్లీ పలు ఇతర ముఖ్య నగరాలలో నిర్వహించాం. సమైక్యతా ఉద్యమంలో మా వంతు పాత్ర పోషించాము.
- కాంగ్రెస్ వర్కింగ్ కమిటీ విభజనకు అనుకూలంగా జూలై 30, 2013న నిర్ణయం తీసుకున్న వెంటనే రాష్ట్ర వ్యాప్త సమైక్యతా యాత్ర నిర్వహించాము.
- వేలాది మంది కార్యకర్తలతో బస్సులలో నాలుగు రాష్ట్రాల మీదుగా పయనించి ఢిల్లీ ముట్టడి కార్యక్రమంలో భాగంగా రెండు జాతీయ పార్టీల కార్యాలయాల ముందు భారీ నిరసనలు చేపట్టాం.
- మా నిర్విరామ ప్రయత్నాలు, ఐక్యంగా ఉండాలన్న రాష్ట్ర ప్రజల సంకల్పం నెరవేరక పోవటానికి ఏకైక కారణం రెండు ముఖ్య జాతీయ పార్టీలయిన కాంగ్రెస్, భా.జ.పా., కుమ్మక్కు కావటం. తమ రాజకీయ ప్రయోజనాల కోసం ఈ రెండు పార్టీలు చేసిన ఈ కుట్ర తెలుగు ప్రజల మనస్సులను శాశ్వతంగా గాయపరిచింది. పార్లమెంట్ లో విభజన బిల్లు ఆమోదం పొందిన తీరు ప్రపంచవ్యాప్తంగా ఉన్న తెలుగు ప్రజలందరినీ తీవ్రమయిన ఆవేదనకు, అవమానానికి గురిచేసింది. తమ జాతి విచ్చిత్తికి కారకులందరిపైనా ప్రతీకార భావనలను రగిల్చింది.
- జాతీయ పార్టీలైన కాంగ్రెస్, భా.జ.పా.లకు తెలుగు గడ్డ మీద రాజకీయ పుట్టగతులు లేకుండా చెయ్యాలి. ఈ పార్టీలనుంచి పోటీకి నిలబడిన అభ్యర్థులకు డిపాజిట్ దక్కకుండా చూసే భాద్యత తెలుగు ప్రజలందరిది.
- విశాలాంధ్ర మహాసభ రాష్ట్ర విభజన నిర్ణయాన్ని నిరసిస్తోంది. మన రాష్ట్ర విభజనకు అవలంభించిన విధానం ఒక దుష్ట సాంప్రదాయానికి నాంది పలికింది. ఇటువంటి నియంతృత్వ అప్రజాస్వామిక తీరు ఇప్పటికయినా అరికట్టకపోతే అది దేశ విచ్చిత్తికి దారి తీస్తుంది.
- మన రాష్ట్ర విభజన జాతీయ పార్టీల కుట్రలో ఒక చెడు ఆరంభం మాత్రమే. రాజధాని, నీళ్ళు , నిధుల పంపకాల విషయాలలో తెలుగు ప్రజల మధ్యన విద్వేషాలు విభేదాలు సృష్టించి తెలుగు జాతిని మరింత బలహీన పరచటానికి జాతీయ పార్టీలు మరిన్ని కుతంత్రాలు పన్నటం తధ్యం. కాబట్టి తెలుగు ప్రజలందరూ అప్రమత్తంగా ఉండాలి.
- తెలుగు జాతి ప్రస్తుత దుస్థితికి కారణం కేంద్ర ప్రభుత్వానికి కట్టబెట్టబడిన అపరిమిత అధికారం అని గ్రహించి రాష్ట్ర పరిపాలనలో కేంద్ర ప్రభుత్వ భూమికను నియంత్రించాలి. కేంద్ర ప్రభుత్వం దేశ భద్రత, విదేశీ వ్యవహారాల వంటి మౌలిక పరిపాలనా అంశాలకే పరిమితం కావాలి. కాబట్టి, తెలుగు ప్రజలు స్వయం ప్రతిపత్తికై పోరాడాలి. మన పోరాటం ఇతర భాషా జాతులకు స్ఫూర్తి కావాలి.
Whom should they vote for?
India does not have any national party. There is no meaning in saying national party without showing national integration. Just by expanding vote share into different parts of the nation does not make them as national parties.
Cong and BJP both together legalized Telangana extremism. When AP assembly discussed T bill for 40 days and sent rejection, they should have used their brain little bit. [There were indications that future prospective PM Modi was reluctant to passing such a bill]. But the menance could not be stopped.Telugu people should not vote to Cong , BJP and extremist parties in Telangana distriicts (Like New democracy TRS etc). They all should be rooted out of Telugu land.
By doing this elimination process whoever stands in the contest is worth consideration and more simpler in making a choice for future of telugu's.
Unfortunately, there is not many parties left after elimination. I guess we should not ignore the fact that the telugu people are going to benefit from the huge grants in terms of capital spending, institutes, projects, infrastructure upgrades etc…let us get more benefits for the people of both states and let telugu people enjoy and prosper in both regions…Three international airports all developed after the Hyd airport…
Chakravarthy crying out loud saying the that dividing water, resources, jobs etc.. proportionately between the two states is going to cause rift hint at the hidden imperialistic agenda…
Why do you need the separation for development? You are the one crying loud here saying that AP develop with false promises.
Chakravarthy, a few questions:
1. Are you asking the voters to vote against all national parties (including pro-Telangana CPI & anti-Telangana CPM) or just Congress-BJP?
2. What is your recommendation about parties allying and/or supporting these parties (e.g. BJP's ally TDP & its supporters like Loksatta & Pavan Kalyan)?
3. What about TRS? I am surprised you are not calling for its defeat.
Even though both congress and BJP played a cruel game in splitting Andhra Pradesh, we need to realise that it was congress which played the main script. Many Telangana people I have met after the divison were totally unhappy with the divison. What they said was that we had simple demands that could have been easily met through an act of assembly by the congress govt, but when the same did not happen, T became more of an ego issue rather than a logical issue. If the SA congress politicians really wanted to resolve the issues, the divison could not have happened, but they were playing the script designed at Delhi for electoral gains.
I do not support a stand that to punish congress and BJP, telugu people should end up punishing themselves. It is predicted that BJP will end up crossing 272+ without any seats from AP. Hence telugu people will end up punishing themselves if they bring YSRCP to power in SA or TRS in power in T.
Without a shadow of doubt, I feel that best for both T and SA is to vote NDA to power (BJP + TDP) in Lok Sabha. For assembly, I would support BJP in T and TDP in SA with sufficient seats to Lok Satta in both states to function as an opposition. But unfortunately, Telugu people vote with their heart and emotions rather than their head and logic and so I know what I would like to happen is unlikely to happen.
Did gujarat get punished by voting to BJP during UPA 1 and 2 govt. at the centre. Did Orissa got punished for not supporting any national party?
Congress couldn't do separate without AP? It is a fact and BJP supported the separation for votes and cared very little about us. The way BJP behaved with CBN is very well known whether they really interested in supporting the divsion or not. So don't try to defend bjp, which deliberatly and knowingly supported the division bill.
No vote to congress or bjp or their allies is the best option to punish the so called national parites for forcefully diving AP.
Gujarat did not vote for Congress. Orissa did not vote for Congress. That's why they did not get punished. Only stupid Telugus brainlessly voted congress twice. Why are we still whining about BJP when telugus did not vote for them. We saw real villains when porki oinkwaisi squealing about "15 minutes" and insulting Indic civilization last year, still we fight among ourselves. MIM voted for telangana in AP assembly.
Like Ashish garu said, Telugu people need to start using their brains. Too much filmi nonsense has addled their brains.
BJP not perfect, but AP never voted BJP, so how can it betray us? Also, who advised BJP of Pro-Telangana position? None other than seemandhrite Venkaiah Naidu.
What did KN get by voting to BJP?
Yes Gajarat etc didn't vote to congress but you are saying developed because congress at the centre. So AP should do the same vote to non-congress in the state and congress according to your comment. So think before writing, are you supporting bjp or congress?
I hope you have some grey matter in your brain. Neither SA nor telangana voted for BJP in previous elections. If BJP support only states that vote them, then why support telangana though they didn't vote for bjp, interestingly telangana now showing the middle finger to BJP.
You are contradicting your statements. If BJP is really against congress and MIM, then why would it support congress bill on telangana that supported by MIM. Precisely we are going through many problems, so why add more by supporting congress bill on AP division under closed doors. NM said AP division is like killing mother while giving birth. If BJP know very well that the bill was not good, then why support it. Moreover, BJP (like congress) knows that it won't get any votes in SA if it support the bill. BJP (and congress) took chance and supported the bill. TDP (CBN) knows very well that people angry against bjp in SA and had a chance to break up from the alliance but he deliberately continued the alliance. so TDP should pay the price for having alliance with telugu backstabbing party bjp. Congress will pay the price for AP divsion by falling from ruling party with 21 out 25 MPs to an unknown party in SA. BJP aided and abetted congress in telangana bill, so it has to pay the price for it and TDP for having alliance with BJP.
It is the stupidest argument to say that bjp didn't betrated us because we never voted to BJP. But bjp never got votes in telangana either. If bjp do everything for votes, why did it support telangana, where it got no votes in the part and now they are showing middle finger to bjp.
Unfortunately, there are monrons every region and party. So it is stupidity on bjp part to support telangana on Venkaiah Naidu's advice. BJP should pay the price for AP division by not getting any votes to it or its ally TDP. Then bjp can blame and through venakaiah naidu out of party for giving bad advice to the party. I am least bothered about it.
You are the one uttering non-sense here, so please go where you want to here praises for bjp.
[Already answered accusations of jagan supporter VK, below. Since mutual agreement to end debate, my rebuttal to this and closing remarks are below.]
Please read
"Congress couldn't do separate without AP?" as "Congress couldn't separate AP without BJP?"
I agree with Chakravarthy and by assoication TDP too deserves no votes. that leads us to YSR party. Most unfortunate choice but short of boycotting whole elections we have to go with Jagan,
Kiran, by that logic you should vote for JSP or may be go for NOTA. We dont know if Jagan really fought for United AP. Why support established corrupt crook Jagan? Do you believe voting for Jagan will help Telugu people in the long run? Politics of AP have become a TV drama for the last few years. If Jagan wins, we will have more of that with all his cases! Do we deserve more of that? Naidu is a politician and he will do what he thinks is in the best interest of his party, to bring it back to power. The division has happened, it is a reality. The best way forward is to vote for TDP, which has clean image and stands for development policies.
If BJP wins, we will have more states divided under closed doors. Already RSS/VH showing their muscles (in choosing BJP's candidates in SA), imagine what they do if BJP come to power. What Bajarangdal did in KN will repeat in whole country.
TDP is better but doesn't make any sense in its alliance with telugu back stabbing party BJP. If the majority in south and east (which together have more than 200 MPs) like us (no vote to the so called national parties congress and bjp), then there is a good chance for 3rd front to form govt. at the centre. As such bjp has no presence in South and East (except KN, even there it may not get more than handful of MPs this time with its misrule in the state govt.). 3rd front at the centre would be best for SA and therefore we shouldn't vote to congress or bjp or their allies.
VK, why are you excluding another major player YCP from your responses? Can you please enlighten us with your opinion on that as well.
If BJP manages to crsss 200, which seems to be the case, allicances will automaticly form. Either DMK / ADMK, BJD, TMC, YCP, TRS everyone will jump the bandwagon. So 3rd front is a non starter, even media and analysts are not discussing that these days.
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The main point here is AP divsion. BJP and congress worked together under closed doors on AP divsion to make us a beggar state, which is a fact. Should we vote against the fact or belief. Also the way AP divided is no different from Nirabhaya rape. Congress and BJP are culprits in AP division and TDP having alliance with bjp. If you have to choose between a rapist and looter, please tell me whom do you choose? Also AP will become a beggar state with the divsion, so why worry of loosing money where there will be nothing in the new state to be looted.
Dude, if Jagan wins, he would still go and support NDA. Then it would be like looters joining hands with rapists to lord us! Let him clearly state that he will not support NDA at any cost and then we can discuss.
Eventhough TDP allied with BJP, BJP is nominal in SA. Naidu will still function independently. SA people have no time or luxury for despair. People have to decide on best choice and go on with their lives.
I still wish Purandheswari, Sushma and Jaitley will lose in this elections.
TDP has been on slippary slope in SA due to its confusing role in AP divsion, which it made worst by having alliance with bjp. If BJP has no presence in SA, why TDP have allaince with it and make things worst for the party? Infact TDP got the opportunity to dissociate from BJP in SA but CBN didn't break the alliance with bjp probably to blame that party if he do badly in SA.
If YSRCP is bad, why whiter than white BJP want to have alliance with YSRCP? Moreover, BJP and Congress will get nothing in South and East (which account for 200 MPs), so 3rd front has as much possibility as BJP in comming to power at the centre. I sincerely hope AAP will play the role of PRP at the centre and deny bjp to cross 200 seats (recently Delhi assembly election results will be repeated in Parliament elections). The so called national parties bjp and congress are two side of the same coin and therefore both should be rejected in ongoing parliament elections.
It looks like you either hate TDP or are a YSR fanboy. No one makes decisions so that he will have someone to blame in case he loses, thats a silly argument you are making. I agree BJP and Congress are 2 sides of same coin, both parties at the center have no clue of the feelings of Telugus. Naidu or Jagan or KCR none of them could do anything about division, they dont have numbers. So blaming Babu for the way division happened is not fair. I think BJP was restricted to minimum in SA. NDA is coming to power in center. AAP declined just as fast as it rose to fame. I am surprised you have soft corner for both AAP as well as YCP!
Jagan will sell his MP seats to anyone in power to save his back. His party stands for doling out sops, thats the only thing he is capable of other than looting. There are so many cases on him, he will be busy defending them for eternity. He will have to take court permission if he wants to go out of state or country. It will be high drama all over again!
@Mann,
I don't hate TDP, infact I believe CBN is 100 times better than YSJ but he did 1000X worst to TDP by supporting telugu backstabbing party BJP. I was supporter of BJP during NDA time but it become worst in recent years by playing vote back politics. BJP proved worst than congress in KN. All faith I had with BJP gone into thin air after the way they supported the bill on AP re-organisation introduced by Congress under closed doors. CBN did nothing to stop the division, still I agree you we cann't blame state leaders because they have been ignored. However, bjp role in the AP division is unpardonable and therefore no true telugu would ask to forget about bjp role in AP divsion.
BJP in telangana showing unhappiness openely for having alliance with TDP. So what CBN is going to get by having alliance with telugu back stabbing bjp, which has nothing but negative image in SA at present. I neither support YSRCP nor mentioned it directly in any of my comments.
Mano and Mann are same, changes with the PC I use.
a. The questions we are asking unfortunately is -
Now that I find myself in a stinky pit, how can I dig deeper into the pit, to find stones which I can hopefully throw at that person, who I think pushed me into the pit (hoping that from the depth of my stinky pit, the stone will manage to hit that person)????
b. The actual question we should ask is -
Now that I find myself in a stinky pit, how can I quickly come out of it, clean myself, wear a fresh set of clothes, and walk into the sunlight of future while ensuring that once again I do not fall into the pit ???
Defeating the BJP and congress would give the Telugu people 1 minute of euphoria on 16th May (The BJP would anyway give a damn ! ) and 5 years of darkness by which time the state hopefully will compete with Jharkhand or other NE states. Even God will not be able to help if people collectively and consciously choose evil, as they did twice earlier in 2004 and 2009.
If BJP, TDP are all to be voted out, why not vote for LOK SATTA and show the country the maturity of the thinking of Telugu people? Instead just to spite someone else, we want to embrace EVIL and that is not the sign of an evolved culture. Vinash kale viprit buddhi.
We are in the stinky pit because of congress and bjp. So it is really immaturity to think that those who pushed us into stinky pit will us help us to come out of it. By denying bjp and congress to come to power, you can prevent other states being pushed into stinky pit.
Also I don't believe the theory that states develop only when they support the ruling party at the centre. If it were the case, gujarat shouldn't have developed whereas AP should have developed but both didn't happened.
Defeating bjp and congress in south and east (~200MPs) would bring 3rd front into picture and then it may possible to reverse congress/bjp approval of AP division under closed doors with Supreme court intervention. However, if we give any seats to BJP that will become waste if 3rd front form a govt.
TDP had a chance to dissociate from telugu back stabbing party bjp in seema-andhra but it choose not do that with arrogance.
No vote to congress or bjp or their allies is the best option for SA in the present circumstances.
My view of voting for BJP/TDP is less to do with the theory that states develop only when they support the ruling party at centre. It has more to do with the kind of party that is being considered to run SA for the next 5 years.
There is total silence on people voting enmasse for LOK SATTA and that tells enough about the wisdom of people who are going to cast their votes in AP.
Vinash kale viprit buddhi.
Voting to parties such as bjp is clear indication of Vinash kale viprit buddhi.
Your attitude clearly indicates that no matter how long you live in another state or how much you claim you are telugu but not understanding what we are going through is clear indication of your not beloging here nature. If you are telugu, then you would be fuming at bjp for it support to congress bill on AP division in Parliament under closed doors.
We are against BJP for its support for AP division and TDP going with telugu back stabbing party bjp. Did JP oppose the AP division? Then why should we vote to him who has no base in SA.
To anyone with any sense, goal should be to keep out congress and jagan. You want to punish national parties for splitting our beloved state–punish the mastermind, then all other national parties (including BJP) will see this example and never take Telugus for granted again. Andhra was just small part of wider kurukshetra against Bharat: http://www.andhraportal.org/on-telangana/
You all say you want change but too busy pointlessly talking–not learning about culture (to undo TRS damage) or doing anything productive. At least Chakravarthy garu wrote a book (an excellent intellectual rebuttal to lies about telangana history). All of us here clearly prefer talk (myself included) rather than action. So let us learn our lesson and be part of grassroots push to protect our language and culture.
Also, BJP allied with TDP, so @VK, please think about result of your actions. Hyper-emotionalism on part of Telugus led to national humiliation. We need to start thinking with our logic instead of our emotions.
If you are against both BJP and TDP, then means you are for Jagan–who is biggest traitor of them all. His family has stolen people's money and become rich while selling out state to Italian woman. If you are real telugu you will punish the only party that actuall betrayed you congress and congress clones (ysrc). <b> You voted for congress and congress treated you like servant and kicked you with Telangana despite your sycophancy and loyalty.</b>
Yes, BJP should not have voted for Telangana, but how could it betray telugus–stupid telugus never voted for BJP. You don't seem to quite understand meaning of word betrayal.
I am really getting confused with your comments. You are saying congress is bad and bjp is good. If BJP is really fighting against Congress in whole India, why would it support a bad bill (AP division bill) introduced by Congress under closed doors. Yes congress for dividing the state and bjp for supporting (though pretending to be against congress) should punished and hence we sincere suggstions for voters in SA not to vote to congress or bjp or their allies.
The main point here is AP divsion. BJP and congress worked together under closed doors on AP divsion to make us a beggar state, which is a fact. Should we vote against the fact or belief. Also the way AP divided is no different from Nirabhaya rape. Congress and BJP are culprits in AP division and TDP having alliance with bjp. If you have to choose between a rapist and looter, please tell me whom do you choose? Also AP will become a beggar state with the divsion, so why worry of loosing money where there will be nothing in the new state to be looted.
If voting is the main requirement to get bjp support, as I said earlier telangana didn't vote BJP either. They why BJP support its enemy congress on AP divsion bill to get bad name. Also bjp supported AP divsion bill knowing that it won't get votes in SA and TDP having alliance with BJP, probably for votes in telangana, with arrogance. So no votes to congress or bjp or their allies in SA.
Bad bill according to whom? Only according to Andhra people. From BJP perspective, small states are good for administration. Two priests can disagree on specifics (advaita vs. dvaita) but still be servants of God. Similarly, we and BJP can still have different views of common good. Fault is ours for not trying to convince them–too busy watching stupid movies and trash tv–or sending fools like venkaiah naidu to advise in favor of Telangana.
If you are not voting for congress or bjp/tdp then you are a jagan supporter (biggest traitor of all). If that is the case then you are not even a real telugu. Samuel and sons tried to build churches on our sacred Seven Hills and granted university to jehadis in Tirumala. Jagan is also friends with oinkwaisi.
So if you are against bjp/tdp that means you support desh drohi ysrc/mim. It is that simple.
If you are true Telugu, you will ask yourself what are the threats against me and my family today. Ask jats of muzzafarnagar what fundoo azam khan was doing to their women–that is why they reacted. Do you want MIM oinkwaisis to do the same to your women?
So if goal is to keep out oinkwaisis and congress, then you have to support the alliance that stands against them (TDP/BJP). Otherwise you are no different than doras who sold their women to razakars.
By voting against BJP/TDP you are voting for looters (ysr) AND rapists (mim-oinkwaisi). Children only think in terms of one issue. Adults weigh all issues (state vs. national, samaikya vs safety, freebies vs. self-made wealth). No one was angrier than I was when they split our Andhra, but I don't know about you, but safety of my female relatives comes first. So understand who the real enemy is (oinkwaisi/fonia).When you have tackled him, then afterwards you can give thrashing to your brother who insulted you. But defeat the real enemy first before disciplining family member.
We telugus have been stupids for last 600 years (since Rachakonda rajas). We rather ally with enemy (golconda sultans/oinkwaisis) then our own brother or cousin due to household grudge/greed for asthi. So learn mistakes of past, otherwise you are no different than our foolish ancestors who blamed Vijayanagari emperor for not sending enough troops, so struck deal with bahmanis as revenge…shameless.
BJP supported the bill on AP division, which is also supported by MIM according to you. So who is traitor here? I am very happy to discuss who is real telugu (I guess you mean hindu rather telugu) or for that matter hindu.
LKA said the division bill on AP was the worst bill he ever come across in his entire political career. NM said AP division is like killing mother while giving birth. Are they idiots to say that the AP division bill is bad? The bill is bad because AP become a beggar state with the division?
Sonia and MIM are enemies but BJP don't think them as enemies and hence supported the bill on AP division introduced by Sonia and supported by MIM. TDP is good but hurting telugus by having aliance with telugu back stabbing bjp. Let me tell you, people like you who defending bjp role in the AP division are responsible for increasing our antagonism for TDP. BJP feel no shame in supporting the AP bill introduced by its enemy congress and supported by MIM but you want us feel shame for opposing telugu back stabbing bjp (are you really telugu?). If you really want TDP to win in AP, then stop defending BJP role in AP division.
Jehadis and evangelicals and carving up india and still you are talking vote bank politics? Who invented vote bank politics?–congress and MIM (razakar party), now you are criticizing BJP for finally responding to these schemes?
In british rule, british partitioned bengal. We saw already what happened in bangladesh in 1971 genocide of hindus. But this is indian (w.bengal) today. http://hindusamhati.blogspot.com/
Today they split our Andhra, do you want to become w. bengal tomorrow?
So choice is yours. You have to be able to hold more than 2 thoughts in your head. TDP can't run national govt–so who can? BJP made mistake. It did wrong thing for right reasons. Congress did wrong thing for wrong reasons and MIM is just wrong.
When election is going on, people have to pick and either way tdp has allied with bjp. You can't change that. So you are just arguing for sake of arguing. Don't just say "punish bjp" you have to spell out right vote at both state and national level and tell consequences. That is what the adults do. So either do that or stop wasting everyone's time yelling for no reason.
It seems people still wants the so called national parties to humiliate telugu people couple of more times, so that people can really understand what it means to "look after ourselves". No doubt the PM candidate Modi is a great choice for the current situation of India. That's why people like Pawan Kalyan supports him. But remember traitors like sushma swaraj also.
Contrary to my firm beliefs , now I want to say that who ever comes to power including Modi, should be on a "critically stable" govt at the center, (eventhough it's unproductive) and should depend upon regional parties for their every day survival. Thats the only way national integrity can be protected by "political blackmailing". At first sounds idiotic but more think about it, makes more sense.
This is the only way, the overwhelming powers of the central govt of India can be curtailed (until constitutional amendments are made).
Had the UPA govt survival depended upon regional party(ies) from AP for its very survival, we would not have seen the usage of article 3 on AP bifurcation.
I would say People in T can still vote to BJP but certainly not to MP seats. Only for state legislature. And same is in SA.
I appeal people to vote differenlty for MP and MLA seats. Only regional parties in India should sit in the parliament.
I would still prefer a "failed, but united India" rather than a disintegrated India out of political opportunitism.
@VK -<<<Did JP oppose the AP division? Then why should we vote to him who has no base in SA.>>>
So you just want to support a party like YSRCP who did a good drama of opposing divison, while having a secret understanding deal with the congress. You are OK with Kiran kumar who did another drama while helping the congress go through the process of divison. But you are NOT OK with BJP which has openly supported Telangana for the last 10 years. So you are fine with parties with 2 faces, but not OK with a party with 1 face.
As @nyaya has said that BJP never betrayed anyone. I agree that they should have handled the situation better in Parliament. >>Hyper-emotionalism on part of Telugus led to national humiliation. We need to start thinking with our logic instead of our emotions.<< I agree. Let not Telugu people again get humiliated by voting for YSRCP.
@Chandra. I do not understand your logic. You want a govt at centre supported by regional parties. You definitely had TDP as a strong regional party that was instrumental in creating VP singh govt and Vajpayee govt. But the people voted it out of power TWICE in 2004 and 2009 under the greed of free pathakams, even though Babu was doing well and just had to make course corrections.
Now you want to support YSRCP which is another incarnation of the congress and call it a regional party? If the people of the state turn greedy and lose the wisdom to differentiate between good and evil, why blame India ?
The TN people never voted congress, the Gujratis never do, but AP people VOTE OUT a regional party like TDP and bring in congress twice in 2004 and 09, which then divides the state and then you end up blaming BJP and India for the mess. What strange logic is this ?
Infact the catalyst for the divison of the state is YSRCP. if that party was NOT formed, congress would have NEVER divided the state.
Forget about all politicial parties. I hope Telugu people learn to distinguish between good and evil. Bring in goodness and vote out Evil.
@Ashish Kumar,
Let me clarify this. As we all understood YSRP out of compulsion to save it's leader from a potential long term jail, supported congress actions internally. This situation is an exception. Jagan was like a kid to congress party and they used him and he also yielded to him. I am not asking people to vote him for parliament. I am more concerned about parliamentary elections. Because right now,how well you develop your state, parliament and govt of India can easily destroy all that. That sitautaion can again arise if not like this but in many other possible ways.
I believe you knew it that, until the last moment integrationists did not believe that cong and bjp would use article 3. So balming people for 2004 or 2009 is of no use. Atleast now everybody understood how irresponsible, mindless and dangerous the so called national parties can be.
BJP did not even have a single respresentative from AP. What moral responsibility they got to take part in AP bifrcation? Now they want us to vote them for parliament. I respect MODI as future PM and other top leaders in BJP. But there are lots of idiots in BJP also like sushma.
Never give full powers to these tuglaq's. We dont know what they will do and when and why.
Those who used article 3 inspite of AP assembly rejection is a criminal irresponosibility and should be prepared to face consequences. I dont see any confusion in this.
@Chandra, you undercut your argument, my friend.
You want BJP to vote against its interest by not supporting action to create Telangana, but you think it is ok for YSRP to support actions internally because it is in their leader's interest?
A real leader will take the heat and the jail term on principle. Was that not what India's independence leaders did? Was that not what was done during emergency? Now suddenly it is ok for neta to sell out state interest to save his skin from jail?
That is the problem with our leaders and the mentality of prajas. Anything is acceptable in self-interest–except when the other guy (i.e. bjp in this case) does it.
No argument about sushma swaraj (nature is obvious from company she kept, i.e. gali bros). But here you are going after one party for behavior of minor chors when world class, global rich list chor is the one who betrayed you and contemptuously treated you like dirt.
No one here is arguing against federalism–it is important, just like BJP-TDP alliance important for power sharing. But people are arguing against selective logic and selective outrage.
It's NOT OK to vote to YSRP. YSRP is nothing but congress party. I firmly believe that one. But I dont care if people vote to that party for state legislature. Actually It does not matter now. But for parliament elections, all people in AP should avoid voting to cong, BJP , YSRP, TRS CPI, New demcracy. There is no compromise on that.
Here Iam talking about the very fundamental of the problem. Usage of article 3 is not some economic offence like YSR did or not some everyday rowdy act of TRS to pardon. It's was an assault against the very concept of India. I am appled that people are still not able to understand the gravity of this incident. EVen MOdi is also not ok with that. He repeats it everytime in some or other form. You are still thinking it's ok. Over. etc….IT'S NOT OK. They have to face consequences.I am not gonna face consequences. Charkravarthy garu is not gonna face consequences. They have to face the consequences.All the leaders involved in that should be dealt with treason by telugu people. Its a criminal act. Don't u remember all integrationist MP's were suspended and article 3 was used. There is no pardon for it unless they respectfully reverse it with uncondictional apology and put Telangana extremists behind bars and asks AP assembly for a resolution again.
I honestly dont understand why my argument is confusing.
@Chandra
Let me ask you a simple question. If usage of article 3 is an offence, why was it introduced in the basic structure of the constitution itself ?
Are we "Union of India" or are we "United States of India"?
OK. That means,you haven't understood anything until now about AP bifurcation, article 3 and the unity of India. I am not gonna answer your question. You need to figure that yourself and write your understanding here(If u want to discuss),how states .
Thank you.
Problem with your argument is that you are missing woods for trees. You are obsessed with article 3 as constitutional affront, not realizing italian waitress govt. itself is constitutional affront (puppet pm) as is NAC.
Politics is not magic wand to magically change or punish everything that happened. It is about priorities. So you have to ask yourself which was greater evil. No argument about constitutional blot–but you are also forgetting about Article 44 which mandates secular UCC. Why in almost 70 years we still have not got UCC? This is a treason as well. What about bangladeshi illegals who congress maharashtra govt happily let desecrate Amar Jyoti Jawan? This is a treason as well.
So let's stop behaving like children and behave like adults. Prioritizing must be done. Yes, strong regional representation is required, which presently, only TDP can give. TDP has allied with BJP. In contrast, congress under samuel and fonia tried to destroy TDP. So realize that and prioritize.
Do you have any greay matter in your brain?
Sonia is bad so why bjp supported the bill on AP division introduced by that bad Sonia?
What you are saying make sense if bjp had opposed the AP division bill or TDP didn't have coalition with bjp?
If you are really adult, then you wouldn't support telugu back stabbing party bjp.
Are you a human being?
Do you have problem understanding basic language?
If you have a brain at all, you have to spell out who to vote for at state level and national level (have you done this? no!). TDP can't come to center. Third front is full of jehadi lovers like mullahyam and mamta who are giving id cards to bangladeshis. So choice is between congress and bjp–what do you do?
If you want to continue being child instead of growing up, fine. You obviously don't have intelligence to answer my question about bangladeshis and Amar Jyothi Jawan. Only children and animals operate with instinct (my toy is broken! I am hungry! I am angry cause my state was split!). But this is forum for adults to talk. Quite clear now you are jagan supporter–only they don't have brains and keep running round in circle instead of giving solution.
If you want India to keep Arunachal and J&K and want safety for women, only one choice, BJP. Bifrucated state can be rejoined in future. Entire state lost to foreign country in war cannot be. China and porkis are planning war against India, yet still you can't open your eyes to greater game.
1. What AP division got to do with India's problems with our neighbours?
2. If Congress is responsible for the AP division unrelated issues you mentioned, how BJP opposing Congress by supporting Congress introduced bill on AP division.
3. If we forget about the division bill, then there is no need to discuss about bjp in ap politics, which has no presence in AP.
4. Telugus shouldn't support congress or bjp or their coalitition partners so that 3rd front can come at the centre, which is far better than BJP with the supporters like you.
5. I am least bothered whather you accuse of ysrcp supporter etc. So don't waste your energy in diverting topic through the accusations.
6. We support no bjp or congress or their coalition partners for the reasons given in telugu by Chakaravarthy garu. If you know telugu, please the reasons mentioned rather behaving a like child and accusing the others same.
Ha, I don't need test of telugu from person who can't even use basic logic. I've been reading Chakravarthy garu for some time and know his book far better than you.
Second, your arguments makes no sense, you are just repeating yourself like paid agent. Since you are demanding proofs of everyone, give proof you are not jagan agent and slave of sonia.
Third, you can't run away from fact which I have said that voters can't be single issue. You can't just think bifurcation. When neighbors are plotting war against your country you can't just think of injustice which was done to you, because greater injustice soon to be done to all of us (i.e. Chinese navy attacks on Vizag–looks like you are trying to weaken India and Andhra from within). Third front is anti-national due to bangladeshi illegals it has been bringing in. If you want third front, you are anti-national too.
Also, you don't even know current politics, because now through TDP alliance BJP does have presence in both Telugu states.
Either way, you are evangelical paid agent of jagan who wants to build churches on seven hills of Tirumala (which no real Telugu will allow), so I don't expect logical responses from you.
@nyaya
I didn't use basic logic so I am not telugu? what I great logic. In one comment you say all telugus are idots to vote to Congress and in other comment I don't use logic so I am not telugu. Very good keep it up with your logic.
I said read the reasons mentioned by Chakaravarthi garu ahve in telugu if you can to know why we shouldn't vote to congress or bjp. Are you planning to accusing him also as YSRCP symthesiser or paid agent?
You don't want us to use AP bifurcation single issue to vote because we have some national issues but at the same time BJP leaders want votes from telangana based on that single issue (AP division). Whom should we follow you or your supporting party BJP?
If BJP has presence in SA, why it has give up one MP and 2 or 3 MLA seats alloted to them. Even in other seats alloted them, they filled some RSS/VHP guys they are weak according to CBN.
As I said earlier, when you cann't counter you start accusing others with some idiotic and unrelated accusations. Please keep it up and will move up in your life. If you have no shame in supporting a party for hurting telugus and hindus by supporting AP division though it claim to be saviour of hindus, then there is no validity to what you accuse of others.
[Already responded to evangelical jagan supporter below. Due to mutual agreement debate is ended. Rebuttal to his accusations and my closing remarks can be seen there.]
Article 3 is the only tool to form states in India. Every state starting from Andhra in 1953 could be formed only because of this power.
In yesterday's Varadhi programme on TV9, BJP leader from telangana showed dissent in his party's alliance with TDP. Whereas many here want us to support telugu back stabbing party BJP and it's ally TDP. BJP supported its enemy congress in the AP division sbill underclosed doors indicating that it gives damn to the feelings of poeple and interested only in votes. So we should hit bjp (and congress) where it hurts (by denying the votes to its ally) so that it will not play vote bank politics (like congress) in future.
With what end result?–votes to MIM-oinkwaisi rapists? Don't just think of action, think of consequences. Oinkwaisi openly threatened to kill you last year, but you seem ok if he gains power through alliance with traitor jagan. Remember, MIM spreading tentacles to rayalaseema already. Children only think of one issue at a time. Adults weight many issues to make informed decision for common good.
Are you a moron? Where is the question of telugus (SA) voting to MIM? However, BJP supported, like MIM, the AP division bill by bad Sonia. So who is bad here BJP or We? If you are really adult as you claim, you wouldn't support BJP that didn't mind in hurting hindu majority SA for vote bank politics.
Who is moron is quite clear. Entire scope of parties except Shiv Sena and MNS (due to Vidarbha threat) were fine with bifurcation because it would cut down Andhra to size. SP, BSP, all. But you only want to attack bjp like some shameless jagan supporter.
You can't use logic so you just argue without brain. MIM is already spreading to rayalaseema (12% muslim population). They want to create rayala telangana because they are scared of BJP rise in Telangana. They both wanted telangana for different reasons. MIM wanted as step to create urdu Hyderabad razakar state (but their push to include rayalaseema failed–they were counting on this). BJP only wanted telangana because of policy on small states and Andhras never voted for BJP so why should they care about us?
Thelivileyni daddama laaga vadana vesey badulu, prasnam ki samadaanam ivvu. Who do you want at state and national level?
Politics is not some stupid IPL game where you punish a player by not giving him more money. There are consequences, so think of consequences and explain. Don't just yell like an imbecile "BJP backstabbed!!!". Explain what you want to do and what result will be–otherwise go back to school and let adults talk. Pieces on board are there–so choose and tell us choice–then lecture.
Even if bjp bad, who is worse?–congress and who is worst?–mim. SO ask yourself what your priorities are.
We all know what bjp told CBN and what it did in parliament on AP division bill. So try to deviate the discussion by accusing me of supporter of another party.
There is a limit for your studipidity. You just mentioned that BJP didn't support UP division to avoid BSP become stronger. So only fools believe your argument of bjp supporting telangana for smaller states.
BJP is good neither at state nor at natioal level so no support to bjp or its alliance. BJP back stabbed because it said all the time, even to CBN (which may the reason he gave a letter), that it won't support the division bill unless the separation is acceptable for both sides. Moreover, a muderer don't become innocent just becahse (s)he declared first.
In unitedAP, we could contained MIM but thoughtless bjp supported the division bill to make MIM powerfull. So BJP has to pay the price for it and also for backstabbing telugus by supporting the bill that make AP as a beggar state. No questions on that and will not change my opinion whether you accuse of supporter of YSRCP or any other party. I and many of us will change our mind as soon as TDP say it dissociated from telugus backstabbing party bjp in AP. I am sure CBN will discuss about AP divsion and bjp role in it after the elections in telangana please wait and see.
No, because in your imbecility, and strategic avoidance of my other points (i.e. congress/SP/TMC support of bong illegals)you can't seem to grasp details .
1. the demography in UP is very different
2. in UP native people weren't killing themselves in protests for separate state like kcr paid fools. In telangana a significant majority of people were themselves calling for it (some estimate around 40%).
3. Every party makes decisions in political interest (even your favorite congress and ysrp) but you're grinding axe against bjp w/o giving alternative. This is like declaring war on yudhisthira for "ashwattama attaha" and ignoring duryodhana for all his repeated and unrepentant adharma.
Finally, you are obviously too idiotic or cowardly to answer my question as to what party to support if you are against bjp. Only a child will decide to do something without understanding consequence of action or considering alternatives. If you are against BJP (esp at national level), then you are giving covert support to congress and jagan, in which case you are neither telugu nor indian but traitor. You can lie all you want, but it's clear you sold your soul.
You can't even discuss civilly that is why you started insults. I only asked you to stop acting like child.
1. If BJP is for smaller states, why it did oppose UP division? AP is also different, most of AP income come from Hyd, which has been given to region that asked for the separation. No region has been separated so far with existing capital without the remaining region approval. Though AP is different, BJP least bothered about telugus and supported by saying it is for smaller states. But when it come to support the division of a northindian state, bjp and its supporters given all sorts of resons such as demography different, the division gives more political benefit bsp etc.
2. There were no killings for the so called telangana before the 9th Dec. 2009 statement by congress.
3. Congress will be punished in elections by making it virtually non-existent in AP and similarly bjp and its coalition partner should be thrown out of AP by following the other states in southern and eastern part of India.
4. You are idiot and I am not. If you have any common sense, you would read the Chakaravarthy garus above statement to know the reasons why telugus rejecting bjp or congress.
I didn't you started insulting all telugs in support of non south indian party bjp. So stop insulting us thorough accusations, otherwise I will reciprocate in the same manner.
I am against congress and bjp and their coalition partners for forcefully dividing AP under closed doors. So unitedAP seekers only hope is have a 3rd front at the centre so that it make act according the suprement corut verdict. I am least bothered about which party comes at the state level as long that party don't support congress or bjp.
If BJP is really want to solve our tensions with neighbours, it won't create another tension in south (AP) by supporting cunning congress bill on AP division under closed doors.
If bjp really want to get rid of cunning congress, it wouldn't have supported congress bill on AP division.
If bjp really don't want to see raise of MIM, then it wouldn't have supported AP division bill that increase MIM presence in the divided state.
In summary, BJP prefers votes over all the issues mentioned above and therefore no different from congress. Hence we need non-bjp, non-congress at the centre and it is final.
1. Read my # answer all over again. If you still don't understand you are just spam bot agent of jagan
2. But there was a significant minority of vocal TRS supporters and a national level T movement going back to 60s. Your question was also why BJP accepted bill in 2014.
3.Ha, by supporting jagan you are supporting the congress fixed match–like falling for Kiran Kumar's natak. So you have no credibility about being anti-congress.
4. No, you are grade A moron, with the intellectual capacity of bacteria. Otherwise you would realize that being upset over division is not cause to forget about dangers to entire country–which can affect even Vizag.
I understand Chakravarthy garu's reasons very well, but respectfully disagree. Unlike you, he has been at heart of samaikya response and has actually done something, so I understand his passion and why he feels the way he does. He is correct that a degree of decentralization is important, but I disagree with him about how BJP is against our identity.
Latest Andhra BJP manifesto actually pushes for Telugu language primary and emphasizes our Telugu cultural heroes in his. Congress is one pushing english on us and teaching morons like you to be foreign chamchas.
We all owe Chakravarthy garu a debt, which is why I don't criticize him (his reasons are genuine love for Telugu) like I criticize paid agent of jagan who wants to build churches on our seven sacred hills of Tirumala and is piggy-backing on Telugu people outrage. We know who is really against Telugu culture, people like you who want foreign ghulami under sepoy jagan.
That is why you are so concered about how west will look at India.Real India doesn't care about what west thinks, cares about what real Indians think. That is problem with evangelicals versus real Indian christians like Claude Alvares. You are an evangelical who wants foreign ghulami that is why you had allergy to hindus which you showed above.
I don't know as much christianity as you know, indicating who is convert here.
I am agreeing with what Chakravarthy garu said above and hence opposing bjp. If you have no problems with Chakravarthy garus opposition to bjp (and congress), I don't see logic in your problem with my opposition to bjp for the same and accusing me of something I am not. Any way I have enough experience to come across guys like you who start accusing others when they cann't counter (just like kids bite in play ground when they cann't win the argument). So please keep it up and best of luck with it.
Don't try and play innocent when you started name-calling above when I was trying to talk civilly.
Don't try and counter accuse. Make up your mind about whether I am convert or BJP supporter. You don't even realize you are undercutting yourself.
You gave yourself away when you not only opposed BJP but opposed TDP as well. I can understand if people refuse to vote BJP for its part in Telangana. But when you advocate against TDP and support Jagan (despite YSR alliance feelers to BJP), then agenda is clear.
You have proven, who is child with your antics. No need for sour grapes because you were found out as jagan supporter.
Chakravarthy garu has stated his position. I respectfully disagree. But since you have decided to end this discussion, I too will try to make closing remark.
I can understand if my Telugu brothers are in no mood to vote BJP. No one was angrier at Telangana injustice than I was–but I am no Chakravarthy garu to write scholarly book against it, and so, had even less chance of succeeding to convince people to change mind.
So if you insist on teaching national parties a lesson–fine. But do not cut the nose to spite the face. I won't demand you all vote BJP. But where there is TDP, please vote for them and for God's sake, not looter Jagan.
Vote purely for TDP will send message that national parties will be punished for injury caused to Andhra, BUT at same time, will give strongest hand to single Telugu party that will protect our self-respect AND give Seemandhra good governance/negotiating power at center.
Some energy should go to yelling message, but some energy must also go into becoming strong economically. Only TDP can do this.Thank you.
@Chandra. Cool Cool Cool !!! Let us discuss.
In 1947, the Indian identity was not fully developed and given the multiple languages and cultures there was a danger that the Union may not survive as one identity UNLESS the centre had OVERRIDING powers. In 1st SRC, the linguistic identity was used as a determinant which actually increased the risk of sub-nationalism on linguistic lines. Hence the PRESENCE of article 3 has become even MORE important.
Basically only through article 3, the Union can create or merge states. The only sticky thing is that the centre could ignore the recommendations of the state assembly. Personally I even AGREE with this because to me India as one Union is more important than allowing sub-nationalism to rise its ugly head.
To me it is very important that India is an indestructable union of destructable states. UNLIKE the USA which is an indestructable union of indestructable states.
To me it is very sacrosanct, that the states boundaries are NOT sacrosanct. However the formation of new states should be based on a clear framework and policy that does justice to all the affected people. But the state boundaries should NOT be sacrosanct.
The way article 3 was used to divide AP, the SAME article can also be used to merge T and SA into one state of say Telugu Pradesh. Why are you discounting this ? So article 3 is like a knife, it depends how it is used – to injure someone or save someone (by a doctor).
I am a BJP supporter and hence I may appear to you as a bit more nationalistic than normal people. But sorry, that's the way I am.
I am a Telugu person in thought, word and deed but I have to confess that as Telugu people we simply messed up the whole thing. We overthrew a strong regional Telugu party like TDP to bring in the shameless congress twice under the greed of free pathakams. There is no use blaming India for that.
TDP lost in 2004 due to incumbancy whereas it did loose election in 2009 by going with TRS. By the way, if TDP had come to power 2009, do you think it wouldn't have supported the division?
Political parties should work for people and not blackmail them by saying we take care of you for not voting us.
Currently SA people are angry with BJP and TDP alliance with bjp is like putting peppar on the wound. You and other BJP supporters are making argument that telugus should blame themselves for electing Congress twice for the division. Although there is no truth in it, you are relentlessly using it as scapegoat for BJP role in the division. Blaming AP for the division by electing congress is like blaming Nirbhaya for her rape in my oponion. We all know why BJP supported the division, so there is no point in blaming others and thinking that we are fools to believe you.
What about telangana, are they smart to elect Congress twice?
Arey baba, think!
You have to vote for someone, you have to pick and choose. First you are upset with congress then bjp now tdp.
So what? You are going to support TRS to teach everyone a lesson? For God's sake, AP people ARE responsible. They forgot culture and lived in trashy films and hotels for last 10 years. If you forget your Dharma, Dharma will itself punish you–and so we were punished.
Anti-incumbency is no excuse. If you don't like someone do you make deal with devil? That is what AP people did. They could have voted for Lok Satta but didn't–so anti-incumbency does not erase our blame.
Also, you have to look at wider game. India is surrounded by countries who want to carve it up like a pie. China, Pak, Bangladesh all watering at the mouth because we stupidly voted congress in name of "anti-incumbency".
If your country is not protected, your state is not protected–even residuary Andhra is at risk due to Chinese navy. So don't just think about Telangana tragedy, also think about future. Oinkwaisi already declared war on you and is out of jail. How many warnings do you need????! Wake up !!!
What the heck you are talking. Where was loka sutta in 2004 elections? What is the connection between AP division and some boarder problems you are mentioning. MIM will become stronger in the divided AP (it was contained in unitedAP) so if you have any commonse sense you wouldn't support bjp act on AP division, which increase MIM strenght in the divided state?
Can you process information at all?
Lok satta party there since 2006 (did Andhra vote for them in 2009?). Lok satta movement there since 1996, was there push for them in 2004 election? No. So stupid telugus only voted for crumbs thrown by YSR. Instead of becoming self-made men they voted to become slaves of thella deyyam.
MIM does become stronger in divided AP–who is arguing? Problem is you are only thinking in 1 dimensional terms. BJP is focused on national issues, not state. But to come to power they needed Telangana, since stupid telugus too busy singing amar akbar antony (who is destroying armed forces). MIM can gain not only if you vote for them directly but if you vote against their enemies. BJP is sworn enemy of oinkwaisi, that is why oinkwaisi calls Modi moozhi.
Where did I support bjp action on division? Show me where, dum unnte. I am not supporting division–I hate division more than anyone here, but division is done. Can't change this action.
Only way is if we give thumping vote to regional party TDP (which has allied with BJP). You can't only think in terms of state, you have to think national too, both matter. China and Pak are preparing for war with India. China's navy has been wreaking havoc on India's (see what is happening to subs and naval officers). Seemandhra will be heavily exposed to Chinese naval attack (especially vizag).
So either explain who you want at state gov and national gov or put a sock in it.
Why you blame telugus, even BJP supported tella deyyam (merely knowning doesn't make telugu) in AP divsion.
What kind of idior you are? In one way you are agreeing that MIM will become powerful and the otherway you are saying you are voting them. Who is voting MIM? Do you have any brian? Why would SA vote to MIM? there is a limit fo your stupidity. Moreover, if MIM is sworn enemy of BJP, why the heck it supported the bill on AP division that supproted by MIM. How supporting the AP bill, BJP will reduce MIM influece. In fact you are agreeing that MIM become stronger with the separation and yet defending BJP to make MIM stronger. How does weaken MIM by supporting AP division?
What war with China and Pakistan got to do with AP divsion or for that matter BJP comming to power at the centre. In fact, NM reputation in the West is no different from leaders from far east, so we will get no support fromt the west if we do go to war with neighbouring with BJP in power at the centre.
In yesterday and daybefore yesterday's varadhi programmes on TV9 programme, bjp leaders saying that they are having alliance with TDP because TRS (telangana) and YSRCP (SA) denied the support. Unlike you, bjp has no morals and don't mind going with anyone as long as the alliance fetch votes. How can you forget Reddy brothers in KN in BJP and their interaction with Sushama Swaraj. In fact, I heard that bjp supporting bail to bring reddy brothers out (probably for elections).
We should do our best to bring non-bjp non-congress party at the centre, which is good for the state and good for nation (to avoid making us as laughing stock in the west for electing Indian equivalent of brisith national party bjp).
I don't need certificate from you on who is telugu and who is not. Merely questioning someone's telugu credentials doesn't make you telugu either. And your allergy to hindus above only shows you are probably convert jagan supporter.
Look, if you want to be brain-dead duffer or shameless thella panordu, be one. Since you can't digest detail, I will give you step by step walk through for children
1. I hate bifurcation and tried to educate people about dangers (even bjp supporters).
2. But decision already made when fonia said "telangana at all costs". There was even threat of congress declaring emergency or using cbi to poach MPs. BJP figured might as well keep old position in Telangana and gain.
3. I hate MIM oinkwaisis and was warning about how Telangana leads to urdu-Hyderabad state. Chakravarthy garu was first to raise alarm about this at high level. We all owe him for his time and courage.
4. But congress had decided on Telangana. Done deal. BJP had to make most of it. So before railing on BJP ask yourself why party in power calling all the shots and misusing police and even CBI for political gain pushed T-state by hook or by crook.
5. You clearly have no problem with congress which is most anti-national party under fonia. India is under a second foreign rule and she has plundered the country of billions (even western press has shown this). Still you people stupidly attack bjp.
6. This is who we ended up under foreign rule first time. We would rather find fault with a brother then keep united front against foreigner. So no, real laughingstock is India for being under firangi waitress. You may like waitress rule, real men don't.
7. Non-bjp/non-cong brings SP and BSP and TMC to power. You ran away from this fact above: http://hindusamhati.blogspot.com/
I know there were people who had no problem selling their women to nizam and razakars. I guess even now there are such people like you who have no problem with this and wish to make andhra into another w.bengal or bangladesh. You are either paid congi troll or shameless person who doesn't value his own female relatives so you're opinion no longer matters.
If you are really from SA, then you won't bring unrelated issues such as MIM (which has no presence in SA at present but may have the presence after the AP division) into the discussion. If you are really telugu from SA, you wouldn't say telugus should be balmed for the division . If you are telugu, you won't say your venkaiah naidu (from SA) supported the AP division.
Then why you are keep accusings telugus repsonsible for AP division and BJP supported the division because it is for smaller states. Why don't you just say congress did and bjp supported congress for votes in telangana. When it is clear Congress and BJP divided AP for votes, why should AP vote to congress or bjp for destroying the state and making it as a beggar state.
We have problems not only with congress for all the resons you mentioned but also for dividing AP. BJP proved it is no different from congress by supporting AP division and through its misrule in KN etc.
India can only develop when we don't have the so called national parties at the centre. Therefore I am only for non-bjp non-congress govt. at the centre.
Again you are making some moronic statements that don't have any connection with current discussion. As you already mentioned, AP division make MIM stronger, Nizam lovers to come to power etc and congress made it possible thanks to bjp support. So who is responsible for making AP as WB or Bangladesh (I don't know why you are bringing them here) by dividing AP?
It is very clear here who is bjp paid agent. Unlike you, I have been writing here even before YSRCP formed and I have not changed my views on unitedAP. I did support CBN in the past but opposing TDP now because of its alliance with telugu back stabbing bjp. Congress is even not worth mentioning and hence don't say much about it to avoid acknowledging its presence in AP.
"If you are really from SA, then you won't bring unrelated issues such as MIM (which has no presence in SA at present but may have the presence after the AP division) into the discussion."
If you really are patriotic Telugu, you won't lie about MIM campaigns in rayalaseema. MIM is confirmed to be spreading tentacles to SA and even Maharashtra. Only anti-national will deny this.
"If you are really telugu from SA, you wouldn't say telugus should be balmed for the division ."
If you really are patriotic Telugu, you won't pretend telugus from Telangana did not forgot their culture. Huge number of Telangana people themselves demanded division due to lies of KCR.
Chakravarthy garu nobly tried to rebut each and every fake prof kondandaram lie–but foolish people sold out Telugu Thalli for Fonia "telangana thalli"–even turned foreign waitress into goddess statute.
Only child lack ability to introspect and self-reflect. I will never accept any disrespect for our language or culture from anyone, congi, BJP, con admi, or ysr traitors. But only child will cover his eyes and pretend like he had no part. Even if you and I had not part in Telangana frankenstein–other Telugus (from Telangana) did. This is bitter fact whether we want to admit or not.
It is quite obvious you are another sepoy of foreigners like jagan trying to impose new east india rule on unsuspecting indians. Your allergy to hindus alone is proof of this and your agenda to build churches on sacred seven hills of Tirumala.
You already came out in support of jagan ysr covert congress. Fact is, seems like your problem isn't even with BJP since your favorite jagan is talking about NDA alliance. Your BJP attack is just tactic to attack TDP. But everyone knows Real Telugus will vote for TDP, with or without BJP.
Injustice to SeemaAndhra in AP division – Kesineni Nani (TDP nominee for Vijayawada MP seat)
Then why TDP is having alliance with telugu back stabbing party BJP, which blindly supported cunning congress bill on AP division in Parliament under closed doors.
What back-stabbing party? You need to understand what back-stabbing and betrayal is first.
BJP's position from the beginning was pro-telangana because they believe in small states for administrative reasons. This is wrong position, but publicly declared for long time.Only reason they didn't do it under Vajpayee was because TDP was important NDA ally. In fact telugu people back-stabbed BJP by giving maximum votes to desh drohi congress in 2004 and 2009. Entire congress govt. owes its existence to AP because of our own stupidity.
Back-stabbers are congress and all congress allies/clones. It is no good to hate everybody and everything just because wrong was done to you. Children think like that–and all telugu people have been behaving like children, that's why we got spanked in february. We have to pick and punish the ones responsible and make example so that serves as warning to other national players not to take Telugus for granted.
Like idiots we watch trashy crap movies/tv 24/7 and give no value to samskruthi. That's why our politicians are degraded–they feel no responsibility to prajas or rashtram (which culture gives)–KCR is worst example of this. That bugger is willing to even celebrate razakar barbarians and even ally with oinkwaisi scum so he can live "the Good life" like bloody doras Chakravarthy garu taught us about.
So for God's sake, learn the lesson instead of just pointlessly venting. We must start behaving like adults–whole country is laughing at us for behaving like children.
This is last time I am telling you, there is nothing wrong in supporting the party you believe in but it is not acceptable to offend others for opposing bjp.
Congress and bjp together destroyed AP for votes. Congress realised this and keeping quiet whereas morons like you are trying to justify bjp which did nothing but knod head to Italian madam Sonia by supporting bills such as AP division.
If BJP is really for smaller states, why would it oppose to UP, which is twice as big as AP?
Whole country will laugh at us if we support a party that supported the bill to make us beggars. Which state laughing at us, TN, Orissa, Kerala, WB, Bihar etc please tell me. Perhaps KN, which become a beggar state for believing BJP once. KN propably feeling bad for voting once to BJP but we can bring smile on their face if we vote to bjp or its ally tdp to prove we are more gullibles than KN.
This is last time I am telling you that you can't just oppose party for own sake. Explain what you propose as a result of what you oppose. So what party in place of BJP?
Don't just act like a child and oppose for sake of opposing. If you are adult (or human being) explain what parties you want to see come at state and central government and how it will lead to path back for united andhra. This is not ipl cricket where you can support or oppose different teams. There are state and national consequences.
UP division opposed because it benefits parties like BSP and Congress. Demography is UP is very different than AP with concentrations in places like atankgarh which breeds IM fundoos.
So stop behaving like a child and explain what parties you want at state and national level–otherwise you are just proving yourself to be jagan supporter.
Practice what you preach and stop behaing like a child (and moron).
We are in democracy and can support any one we want.
In one comment, you say bjp supported AP division because it is for smaller states. In another comment, you say BJP opposed UP division, though it is twice big as AP, because the divsion in UP help BSP. Does really BJP have a policy in states divsion?
It is clear from your comments that your are not telugu, otherwise no telugu would bring hindu-muslim conflict into AP divsion, which has nothing to do with the AP divsion. If BJP is really for hindus and against congress, it would have gone against congress bill on AP division that also supported by MIM. By the way RSS was against AP division but it is least interested in South Indian Hindus and hence didn't put any pressure on BJP to oppose AP division.
I want non-bjp non-congress at the centre and I don't care which party come at the state level as long as they it support either bjp or congress at the centre. Having 3rd front at the centre would make to reverse AP bill cleared under closed doors by congress and telugu back stabbing bjp after the Supreme court verdict. So those who are against AP divsion shoudl and must oppose congress and bjp and their allies. In case if you forget to notice, this website main objective is to support unitedAP. So people like come here and pretend that you are telugu and supporting bjp's idiotic policies will make no difference to our opposition to congress and bjp and their coalition partners.
Finally, SA is against congress and supporting TDP due to AP division. Similarly TRS, congress, bjp trying to beg votes in telangana by saying they are responsible for AP division. If we forget about the division, telugus in AP forget about TDP and its ally BJP. CBN is more capable than YSJ in re-buidling AP and we need re-building state because of the divsion. If we forget about the division, why do we need CBN or its ally BJP?
Contradictions and confusions in your comments.
Congress is evil and BJP is good and but you are ok with bjp supporting the bill introduced by evil congress under closed doors?
MIM is bad whereas bjp is good. But you are still OK for bjp to support the bill supported by MIM.
Most of the telangana separatists are Nizam (invader from the east) lovers and you are OK with bjp supporting Nizam lovers in AP divsion.
You want everyone should vote to bjp to avoid threats from out neighbouring countries but you are OK with BJP to create another kashmir in south by supporting evil congress bill. The way AP divided by the so called national parties making us wonder, are we really indians? If we are, why our views (opposition to the division) are not taken consideration while diving the state under closed doors.
You are saying bjp supported AP division because it is for smaller states but you are supporting bjp for opposing UP division to avoid political advantage to BSP. This kind of selective support, in case if you don't know, is called vote bank politics.
Finally, you want us to forget about AP division. If we telugus do forget about the division as suggested, then there won't be any need of CBN to rebuild the state and therefore there won't be any votes to TDP and it's coalition partners in AP. So tell us should we forget about the division or not.
Looks like paid jagan agent can't even think of own retorts so he is taking mine.
It is clear who is behaving like a child, which is why you have no problem bringing mamta or mullahyam govt at center to bring up/bengal model to rest of India: http://hindusamhati.blogspot.com/. so you are nothing but an anti-hindu, fake telugu.
No one said we have to forget about division–what real Telugu can. Only thing I said was to give pathway back to reunificaiton (you failed to do this since you said you want to support gang of third front opportunists who will bring w.bengal/muzzafarnagar model to all of India). Haha, what a joke, third front will reunify andhra??!! third front who believe in power hook or by crook and will have no problem allying with MIM (anti-reunify). Third front is represented by azam khan of muzzafarnagar fame–guess we know what you want.
bjp never allied with MIM. congress and ysr have both allied with MIM, so it is clear who the traitor parties are.
bjp supported telangana because it's own power would grow there and because seemandhrite venkaiah naidu was pro-telangana. cong created telangana so that seemandhra would become convert stronghold like TN and northeast has become. mim reasons are obvious.
everyone knows jagan is merely following congress script. so if you support jagan, you support congress, in which case you are shameless for supporting the party most responsible for AP division (congress). Congress backstabbed because telugus gave brainless support to congress and congress kicked–no real telugu can support them or congress clone jagan.
BJP didn't create telangana, congress did. BJP just went along with it when congress used gestapo tactics in parliament since it was a done deal and BJP would gain. jagan is following congress script, so if you support jagan, then you are nothing but convert–hence your allergy to hindus and support for building churches on seven hills of tirumala.
"otherwise no telugu would bring hindu-muslim conflict into AP divsion."
HAHAHAHA. Stupidest comment on this thread. Since time of Prataparudra Telugus have known of hindu-muslim conflict. Only converts like you sing amar-akbar-antony without brain.
Only anti-hindu convert who wants to protect pseudo-secular vote will pretend like there are not problems. There are problems–fundoo MIM and Bukhari. When these problems are dealt with then development of hindu and muslim and christian possible. Only brainless pseudo-secular wants to pretend like Oinkwaisi didn't give speech threatening to kill all the hindus. Looks like you are a true jagan supporter–otherwise you wouldn't give covert support to oinkwaisi like you are here..
"BJP didn't create telangana, congress did."
If it is true, why don't bjp say so in telangana. Let me ramind you what Sushamaji said after passing AP bill in Parliament, " pleaase remember this chinnamma along with pedamma" for AP division. Why don't bjp leaders say that they have no role in AP division in telangana?
Finally, as I am opposing bjp and congress for AP divsion. But if you accuse of convert etc then whole south and east should converts because no state in south and east support bjp for different regions. But you think opposition to bjp as anti-hindu, this view is worst than British National party (BNP) in the UK (because you are keep refering an unrelated blog from UK, I guess you have some connection with the UK).
Unlike you, many bjp politicians are still hoping to tie up the evil ysrcp after the elections. So careful what you say here. Nonetheless, I am against congress or bjp but I am ok with candidates from tdp who fought for united AP (as Chakravarthy gaaru mentioned in one of his replies). So no vote to congress or bjp or its coalition partner candidates who still supporting bjp for the division. Off course when there are no suitabile non-bjp non-congress candidates who participated in unitedAP struggle, then NOTA will become handy.
No, i referred to blog by bengali who lives in w.bengal not UK. He lists all the atrocties being committed against hindus in west bengal by bangladeshi illegals. This is problem with jagan supporters, use lies to plunder people's money.
I am aware of bjp talks with jagan, because their priority is to come to center and replace moron foreign ghulams like antony with patriots like Vijay Singh as defence minister. antony has weakened armed forces beyond belief putting Arunachal and Ladakh at risk. Third front will make army even weaker because they are bunch of opportunists who will sell country at right price.
Best way to prevent jagan tie up is to deny jagan votes and vote instead for TDP. I can understand if people don't want to vote BJP–but no justification for not voting TDP. TDP specifically prevents looter jagan from coming to power at state level. So even if you don't care about rest of country, at least care about good governance in your half of remain AP.
So that is the ultimately point. If you want to teach lesson to national parties, give maximum votes for only regional party that has historically stood for Telugu self-respect: TDP.
This will give the message you want to give of not taking Telugus for granted, and at same time, ensure good governance and economic strength for Seemandhra and keep it out of hands of proven looters.
Don't accuse others with half knowledge. The blog you referred ends with co.uk, which means it is based in the UK. If don't know keep quiet but don't accuse others without knowing. Please go shout whatever you want against YSRCP I have no problem, similarly let me do what I believe is right rather than behaving like bjp belong to your grand father.
If you are smart you would have known by now whom I am really support but you are too much involved in accusing others with blind faith in bjp. YSRCP saying it go with any party except congress. So for argument sake, if I were YSRCP supporter why would I object to BJP?
I believe TDP is good for AP but it did a great mistake by having alliance with bjp, which still hurting the people who are against AP division by saying they are responsible for AP division. However, you still want us to ignore what BJP doing for votes and vote TDP/BJP in SA eventhough they humiliated us. Is that what you are saying to us?
Make up your mind, VK. Do you want to end debate or keep it going. I thought you want to civilly part, but if you want to keep attacking, fine, I can do same.
hindusamhati.blogspot.com
That is the blog I posted. Readers can see. It is run on behalf of Tapan Ghosh who lives in w.bengal
Readers can also see you are jagan supporter, which is why you wanted TDP to also be punished for tying up with BJP. But yourself admitted jagan talks with BJP about alliance–so your real agenda is against TDP and for YSR congress despite YSR/Jagan looting.
My closing remarks above give option to people that will send message to national parties, while protecting future interest of seemandhrites.
Pure TDP vote will do this. So there, I have answered your question about what voters should do. If you oppose even this, then proof you're jagan supporter.
@nyaya
What ever you said in this blog so far do nothing but harm to TDP and those (like me) who like TDP also think of voting against TDP after reading your comments. If you still want to harm TDP through your comments please do so I have no problem.
VK, come on, man. That is just sad. jagan should feed you better talking points.
Unlike you I openly stated my support for bjp-tdp alliance. You have been covert jagan supporter until Mann cornered you.
Unlike you, I also said I understand anger of many people (like Chakravarthy garu) against bjp. So I said, voting pure TDP, is second option. Gives resounding all-India message to punish national parties while making sure good government in Seemandhra under TDP.
You are pro-jagan looting, so i am not concerned with your opinion, only opinion of other readers/voters.
VK, you cant wish away both Congress and BJP. We live in Indian union and that doesnt revolve around Telugus. Even in TN where there are 2 strong local parties, they ally with Cong or BJP depending on the direction wind blows. Naidu aligned with BJP because he wanted to keep his party alive in Telangana. This is the best deal he could work out! There is no party out there that will satisfy any one of us 100%. If allying with BJP in SA is a deal breaker for you, then so be it. But you have to be clear on who you support, when you are opposing tdp-bjp. Right now the choice in SA is between Average / Bad (depending on how you see it) on one side and evil on the other. For me the choice is simple and straight.
See below my reply to Subash comment.
Then say it out loud and clear with pride that you support Jagan party like I say I support TDP. Dont feel ashamed or beat around the bush and please dont give silly metaphors.
I also support TDP but not at the expense of hurt generated by its allianc with telugu back stabbing party bjp.
The you are confused man! This is election time, any other time you can do this dance but not now. You can only vote for one party and there is no conditional vote.
Majority telugus want to vote TDP because they are angry with congress for dividing AP and make it bankrupt but they will now go to the other party because TDP alliance with telugu back stabbing party bjp.
Congress is the backstabber not BJP. You don't seem to understand concept of backstabbing. Happens when you give support to someone and they betray.
Telugus never supported BJP. But telugus shamelessly supported congress and thella deyyam kicked them and treated them with contempt–even though AP made her rule possible. Congress is the backstabber, and if you would rather go to congress or covert congress jagan, then you are an anti-hindu convert–which explains your allergy to bjp.
@nyaya
No one in South India (including KN) now support BJP. Does this mean all are converts? In fact RSS was against AP division and yet BJP supported Sonia bill on AP division. So please think who should be considered as conver for going against RSS and what should we calle BJP for supporting Sonia's bill on AP division.
@ VK. you are jagan supporter whose arguments don't make sense and who is calling for third front government led by mullayam and mamta who have broken secularism in their states as muzzafarnagar and daily riots in w.bengal shows.
Do you think everyone in south India votes on Telangana issue? Each state has different set of issues. In TN, Tamil pride dominates, so they only vote Tamil parties like DMK/AIADMK. In Kerala, communists dominate and congress rose with support of fundoo. So don't try to distract with other states who vote on different issues.
Fact remains, this is problem with excessive regionalism–India becomes weak at border and anti-nationals like oinkwaisi hoodwink gullible people. This is reason why voting BJP makes sense despite creation of Telangana. In modern world, you can't just think of state, you have to think of state and nation. I have already given reasons, which you have avoided. Bifurcated state can be reunified if seemandhrite economic power grows. State conquered by foreign country in war cannot be regained. So think of consequences.
@nyaya
Like many who support unitedAP, I am against vote to congress or bjp or their coalition partners (except those who participated in unitedAP struggle). If it means 3rd front at the centre, so be it. I don't care what happened in UP or WB because they are small when compared to what happened to telugus through forceful division of their beloved state.
Yes, every state have different set of issues for not voting to bjp. So our set of issues related to AP division this tims. So we shouldn't vote to congress or bjp, like other states from south and east, for destroying telugus and making AP as a beggar state by approving the state division under closed doors and still defending it.
By supporting AP division, congress and bjp encouraged sub-regionalism for votes. Whereas many who want unitedAP is for national integrity. With the forceful separation of AP, many demands in other states will intesified after the elections, which in turn effect national integrity. So voting to congress or bjp to bring cracks in national integrity make no sense to those who want Inda intact. Moreover, the forceful divisions like AP division will make minoroty parties such as MIM to become stronger. If BJP is really against the minority parties become stronger, then it shouldn't have supported AP division to hindu majority region against RSS wishes. When you (BJP) hurt hindu majority region against RSS (which was against AP division), you cann't claim saviour of hindus. Furthermore, bjp supporters like you making things worst for bjp by supporting bjp stupid act of suporting AP division and making contracting statements in support of the division.
"If it means 3rd front at the centre, so be it. I don't care what happened in UP or WB"
And this is the attitude that brings the foreign rule.
It is one thing to say, insult to Andhra was too great. Another thing to say you don't care what happens. Then don't whine when bad law and order affects you or if India loses territory in war to porkistan and china or if Vizag attacked by Chinese navy. It will be fault of petty people like you and those lives will be on your hands.
Also, if you are not spambot, you will actually respond to fact that your mistress fonia said "telangana at all costs", meaning, not only cbi but threat of emergency was there.
Finally, it is hilarious to hear evangelical convert lecture about who is saving hindu religion. BJP may not have perfect record, but still better than ysr congress supporters who want to build and tried to build the churches on seven hills of Tirumala sacred to all real Telugus. That alone undercuts you.
@nyaya
Sushamaji said in one of the public meeting that telangana became reality because of bjp whereas you are saying AP divided because of Sonia. Who is right and whom we should believe you or Sushma ji.
Make up your mind VK, do you want to end debate or keep it going? My closing remarks are above.
Your agenda against TDP is clear and you are jagan supporter despite jagan's alliance feelers to BJP. Funny, you attack TDP for BJP alliance, but have no problem with jagan who is open according to your own remark.
"Telugus never supported BJP. But telugus shamelessly supported congress"
Do you still believe people vote to TDP/BJP after reading your comments like this? Best of luck.
You are ysrc supporter who wants jagan to keep looting telugus in seemandhra. Your pro-looter opinion is irrelevant.
JPN recently gave tough love speech to telugu people voting along caste lines. I am no JPN, but Telugu people need to hear tough love about mistake they made in supporting congress.
Only child wants to be given compliments. Adult wants to hear how to correct past mistakes. I know you are child, but I believe Telugu voters are adults who will make right decision to correct their past mistake of voting congress.
Two guys C(congress) and B(BJP) took a girl A(AP) to the deep sea in a boat and C raped A and B just wathed it with out oppoising. Now after the rape C fell out of the boat. Now B offers sorry to A for not helping promises to take back to coast in the same boat. Now another notorius rapist Y(YCP) comes with his boat and offers help. Now should A shift the boat beliving though he raped many so far, he would not only her or believe in B?
Your anology on congress and bjp and other parties role in AP division is good except that B is helped C to rape A by preventing AP to get away from the boat (by supporting the AP divsion bill under closed doors) and still justifying the supprot for rape rather than offering apology. Another exception is Y is a theif rather than a rapist. Then the choice for A would be clear, loosing possessions by going with Y or go with B to live with the shame of being raped.
Very Apt analogy….
For this election. I will support YSRCP.
With your analogy, after rape there is nothing more to loose except the shame, if you look forward than backward. If you go with theif, you will loose whatever others is remaining with you. Think emotional go to theif or think practical go the guy who helped in rape
1. Those who participated in agitations in Nirbhaya case must be fools for not knowing your logic of mere shame of being raped.
2. AP not being being divided but also made it beggar state with 20-30K cr annual deficit. So what is there at beggar to be stolen by a theif.
VK is convert jagan supporter. No amount of logic or explanation will make him understand. He is equivalent or is outright paid agent to create support for biggest looter jagan.ysr gave support to kcr in 2004. ysr destroyed AP good name and development under CBN and plundered AP treasury. Now these converts want to continue this under ysr son jagan and build churches on our sacred seven hills. They are traitors who turned their backs on dharma.
It looks like you are saying from your personal experience. How much you been paid by bjp for selling your sole to non south indian party BJP?
It doesn't matter what you accuse me of but the fact is bjp back stabbed telugus and guys like you is supporting telugu back stabbing bjp. Congress will be thrown out for dividing AP forcefully and bjp also equally responsible for AP division and what bjp did to telugus will not be forgotten just because you bring some unralated issues such as religion, war with neighbours etc (though I failed what the connection between them and BJP support to AP division). So no vote to congress or bjp or their coalition partners in AP.
Nope, I am actually responding to your points. You are running away from mine like riots in w.bengal and muzzafarnagar.
That is because only jagan agents triy to distract from risk of andhra becoming w.bengal in future.
Looks like you want 3rd front with mulayam and mamta model of secularism and covert support to mim-oinkwaisi. You can't understand connection because you only think in 1 dimensional terms of bifurcation (past) national integrity/safety of state women (future). third front full of people who destroy country. Congress is already destroying country, so that leaves only BJP to protect border–third front full of people who sell id cards to bangladeshis (simple relationship even child can understand) not interested in this.
You can do what you want, but people with more sense will see through your wish to turn north against south divide and rule so that foreign servants like you can help jagan plunder Andhra and rest of India.
*correction: 1 dimensional terms (past). I think of past and national integrity/safety of women (future). Both past and future have to be considered, not just 1 dimension.
How does riots in UP and WB will stop by voting to BJP? Even for argument sake, we vote to bjp and it form govt at the centre. But sitll it cann't dream of forming govt. in UP and WB, so how it can stop what happened in those states. As you said each state vote based on set issues related to that state, AP this times based on issues related to state division. So why should AP vote for bjp or its coalition partner, which supported AP division and hurt us badly, in this election on issues unrelated to the state.
BJP showed no interest in hindu religion (going against RSS), national interest (agitations for other state demands will become intesne) or state interest (AP division will create mini-Pakistan in AP) or minority based parties uprise (for example MIM) when it supported AP divsion bill introduced by evil congress Sonia. But you are advicing us to be faithful and vote parties or their coalition partners that back stabbed us thorugh division of our beloved state.
Like many who support unitedAP, I am against vote to congress or bjp or their coalition partners (except those who participated in unitedAP struggle). If it means 3rd front at the centre, so be it. I don't care what happened in UP or WB because they are small when compared to what happened to telugus through forceful division of their beloved state.
Are there riots everyday in MP? Did not riots completely stop in Gujarat after 2002? Are there riots everyday in Goa? That is the sign of the good governance.
Intelligent person will ask why there are riots and who is starting. Illegal bangladeshis have been flooding country–you again ignored what these buggers did at Amar Jyothi Jawan in Mumbai.
Each state does vote on its issues normally–but India is staring at a cliff due to congress waitress rule–so national issues must be focus this time. I too am upset with BJP decision to go along with T-state, I have opposed from beginning their advocacy, but I also know that there are bigger problems facing India.
T-state divides our Telugu people, but congress and minions in third front destroy our culture. That is why italian woman was pushing english in schools. BJP wants english only for international business, but each state to have language culture protected (see their AP manifesto) as primary language in schools.
BJP is the only party that cares about hindu religion, but also cares about each state language culture. Jagan and congress have insulted hindu religion with their activities in Tirupati. While I hate bifurcation, I hate insults to Lord Venkateshwara more–as all real Telugus do.
If seemandhrites are smart, they will gain economic power, like gujus have done, then our interests will be protected, and we can arm twist center to reunify our Samaikya Andhra. I have given you pathway to reunification, no one else here has–only hyper-sentimentalism.
Telangana happened because T people forgot their culture and identified with mim invaders. That is why they are even trying to change their lipi. So before we can reunify, Seemandhrites must protect and learn their culture. That is first step to reunification, not harming india national safety through anti-national third front who bring more bangladeshi illegals.
If BJP care about hindus, why did supported evil Sonia's bill on AP division though it hurts hindu majority SA against RSS and increase MIM influency. Does it tell you that BJP only party that cares about hindus. We can always undo thoughtless acts of some politicians to Tirumala/Tirupathi to bring back Lord Venkateswara glory but it not easy to undo the harm done to us by congress/bjp by dividing the state. So please don't compare the two as if they are same.
Why support the division in the first place, make a prospserous state as a beggar state (Venkaiah Naidu supporting to increase special status to 10 years to AP) and say you can re-united later. This is like slapping on your face and say it is for your good only.
In one hand BJP want votes in telangana because they supported the division whereas bjp supporters like saying you we should support bjp, despite the fact that it harmed us by supporting AP division, because we should only think about national interests and forget about our state. Are you really from SA?
@jagan spambot. Only anti-India evangelicals will attack bjp as you have done when MIM was re-recognized by congress and was its alliance partner.
If you want to be sepoy supporting jagan conversion agenda of AP–at least be honest about it instead of trying to fool innocent Telugu people with your fake comments about Tirumala. Real Telugus will hold ysr party responsible for crimes against Lord Venkateshwara.
You have been found out as jagan supporter, so stop pretending you are innocent. Not only are you not a hindu or a real telugu, you are not even real Indian. That is why you keep going back on your word about ending debate.
Try to save what's left of your reputation, convert jagan supporter..
@nyaya
Unlike you, I am not asking to vote to YSRCP. Also what some thing happend on Tirumala got to do with AP division?
As said earlier, personal attack will make your comment look any good. If you are really SA, you wouldn't keep bringing unralted international boarder issues, MIM bla bla into the discussion.
People can see just how unethical supporters of unethical jagan are. I have openly declared my support–he is pretending he is not help ysrc by attacking bjp/tdp.
Looks like he is fan of MIM also, that is why he is trying to cover up oinkwaisi campaigning in rayalaseema. Apparently vk doesn't realize rayalaseema is in Seemandhra–proving who he is phony seemandhrite. That is because all jagan supporters are phony seemandhrites–covertly using emotional samaikya andhra issue to allow ysr chamchas to continue to loot telugus and destroy our culture like they tried at Tirumala.
A citizen has duties not only at municipal and state level, but national level as well. Congi traitors don't like this thinking, because this prevents their looting if voters think beyond caste or even state.
Andhra Pradesh was wronged–I don't deny. But ysrcp/fonia clan want to cover our eyes so we don't see how much danger India is in. That is why jagan supporters try to cover up MIM activities or danger at the border–because they have no problem allying with MIM and porkistanis. That is the difference between TDP and YSRC. Telugu voters see through this.
VK,
nyaya and likes who are brainwashed are NOT hindu supporters. I repeat NOT hindu supporters(they dont care if hindus are subjected to genocide right infront of their eyes). Sink this first into your mind. Now these Zombies are the result of massive money invested done by gujuratees(only business men modh banias including polyster prince empire). For them logic does not work only thing that makes sense is to make modi bhai PM and get licences, free lands, control on all natural resources of India and MAKE MONEY. That is the only thing that makes sense, nothing else including AP division. They dont care if some andhra guy is denied his right to work in Hyderabad or a college seat etc.
These Banias have to get back their money back with intrest compounded every nanosecond if possible.
There is a strange tie up between Banias and Brahmins, banias make money and repay Brahmins by building massive temples to be taken care by Brahmis.This is a very nice symbiotic relationship.
Why should a Andhra guy who was denied his rights in hyderabad go and suckup his shame and vote for BJP? or worry about some Bangladeshi hindu who was killed by another Bangladeshi muslim? why?
If they really want to help Hindus in Bangladesh or Pakistan they should raise this in UN when they come to power. Did they do it last time ? i dont remember….
Converts are a threat to Brahmins temple business and might threten symbiotic relation they share with Banias.
Its all about Money.
To get back their investment back these people ask Andhra guys to suck up their shame and vote for BJP.
Wow! Jagan must really be desperate to send his B and C team now (or should I say F team given the 10th class fail remarks).
look frmap, aka jagan evangelical, your hatred against hindus and especially gujus is obvious, otherwise you would not be doing hit job on behalf of foreign ghulam jagan.
"they dont care if hindus are subjected to genocide right infront of their eyes"
nope, that is congress which has said or done nothing about what is happening to hindus not only in bangladesh but in w.bengal courtesy of fellow "secular".
"If they really want to help Hindus in Bangladesh or Pakistan they should raise this in UN when they come to power. Did they do it last time "
BJP out of power for last ten years. Atrocities against hindus in both bong and pak spiked under your evangelical anti-hindu congress govt who thinks all hindus (Andhra or Guju or any other region) are communal. So opinion of looter-liars don't matter.
"Its all about Money."
No, we are not like you who sell your women for paisa to foreigners.
A vote for TDP and BJP is for national dignity and prosperity. Vote for jagan&congress is vote for foreign slavery like last 10 years of fonia plunder.
@Admin
This is to politely request you to delete the above post by @nyaya that talks derogatively about a prticular religion and people who follow it. This is done in a trollish way with no provocation. Please oblige.
I did not speak derogatorily of all christians–only criticized evangelical converts who are using religion as basis to support jagan/congress. This is fact as seen with sonia comment about "secular" vote.
If moderator lets through my remaining comment, you will see that I point out that fundamentalists who want to convert have to be dealt with, then common people of all religions (Hindu, Muslim, Christian) can focus on development.
Do not try to smear people to advance your argument.
"Do not try to smear people to advance your argument."
This is exactly what you are doing here. You are one smearing any one who opposing bjp (with valid reason – AP division) as convert, ysrcp support bla.. bla.
You are accusing all telugus for voting to evil Sonia but you are praising bjp that supported evil Sonia's bill on AP division. People did a mistake by voting to congress in past but they don't want to repeat same mistake by voting to a party (or its coalition partner) that supported evil Sinia's bill on AP division. I am against bjp and its coalition partner TDP (except those in TDP that participated in unitedAP struggle) for bjp role in AP division, which does also means my support to NOTA where no non-congress non-bjp candidate who participated in unitedAP struggle.
I have called you what you are because you started insulting me above–everyone can see this. It is you who have started smears and then started whining when i pushed back. If you are civil I will be civil.
If you can't see difference between voters giving seats to a party 2x and a second party accepting a bill that 1st party will push through hook or by crook–then you are just showing yourself to be jagan spambot.
You've already been ID'd as jagan supporter, so don't try and hide behind NOTA now–too late. Cat is out of bag, and your agenda exposed.
As said several times, I don't support any party but I have no problem if you want to accuse me whatever you want. Even if I were YSRCP supporter, why would I worry to say so. Are you trying to blackmail people for not supporting TDP/BJP. Are we living in democracy?
Credit for T formation goes to BJP – Sushama Swaraj (TV9)
Whereas you are saying AP divided because of Sonia. One of you must be liar, chose whether you want to be a liar or you want to accuse your leader Sushama Swaraj as liar.
You were found out below as a jagan supporter. Your anti-tdp orientation was further proof of this. Don't whine now and at least keep some respect by keeping your word about ending debate.
It's clear you are evangelical who wants to absolve fonia/jagan nexus of their crimes against undivided andhra and supports their loot, whether samaikya or bifurcated.
I have already said above that if people don't like BJP and refuse to vote, then just give vote for TDP. You are against even this proving you are anti-hindu jagan supporter who wants to enslave telugus and destroy india.
TDP lost in 2004 and 2009 elections, does this mean all who voted against TDP are anti-hindus? Sorry I didn't know TDP become saviour of hindus.
All who voted against TDP wanted freebies from YSR and did deal with devil that brought foreign fonia to power.
TDP stood for anti-congress and self-respect under NTR, and it stands for anti-congress and self-respect now.
YSR only stands for looting and destruction of Telugu culture.
@nyaya, What happened to you?Whats your problem? I hope you r not one of those IIT or IIM or whatever folks who sit and do online propaganda to bjp. Based upon your initial comments in feb,i thought you were much better than what you r posting here now.
@ Ashish kumar same thing with you. I hope u r also not one among that batch i mentioned. Reg article 3, your arguments are nothing better than justice sudarshan reddy or our own lawyer of this blog Jai G. Your initial opinions were sounding more judicious and matured than these.
I appreciate VK for painstakingly countering countering these unethical arguments. I feel there is a slavish mentaility going on among these commentators. Folks here need to understand that voters need to cleverly use politicians…….. NOT politicians using voters. Thats what the difference between feudalistic democracy and a truthful democracy. You can have feudalism in a democractic setup also, like we have in India. We need to eradicate it.
BTW Ashsih K, I dont agree u r nationalistic. Claiming nationalistic without considering the nation(people ) does not make any sense to me. (And extremists are not wanted in India also like anywhere else)
@ Chandra. If you think VK is ethical by supporting most unethical jagan who stole praja dabboo to live good life, then what more is there to be said.
My comments in february reflect precisely my passionate opposition to bifurcation. In fact, it is a proof that one can be against creation of telangana but still recognize need for bjp. But question is how to put and who will put state back together in future.
Slavishness is reflected by those who support foreigners like fonia. I love my telugu language and culture, but I know difference between real indians and fake indians like fonia–who treats real indians like slaves. BJP has faults, but they still stand for self-respect of all Indians on world stage. You people talk of nirbhaya–under which government did this happen? You people advocate third front, go to muzzafarnagar and 24 parganas in w.bengal, then you will see their breaking of secularism.
When person votes, he can't just think of only 1 issue. Telangana was horrible wound–but if we seemandhrites concentrate on building our economic power, a CBN or future Telugu politician can come to center down road and reunify our state. BJP and TDP both stand for self-respect of Indians and Telugus respectively (both are our identities). Congress and jagan stand for foreign slavery and open plunder of India's wealth. If you can't understand that, then we can't help you.
You gave lecture to Ashish about nation–nation means more than just your state. There were people from other states who expressed outrage about what was done to us–Maharashtrians saw danger of splitting their state too. So don't forget, there is common relation between telugus and also common relation with all other indians too. So don't confuse nation interest only with state interest.
@Chandra
Thank you for your support for my replies to nyaya's comments. I still don't understand the connection between what is happening on hindus in Bangaldesh (some vague website in the UK) and our opposition to bjp for its role in AP division.
Similarly Nyaya blaming us for voting to evil Sonia and yet praising bjp for supporting evil Sonia's bill on AP division. In one comment (s)he says bjp supported the bill because it is for smaller states and yet (s)he defends bjp for not supporting UP division becuase the division bring benefits to some other political parties.
AP deserved the humiliation because telugus elected congress and yet Nyaya don't answser for KN humiliation by election BJP in the past or extension of humilation to telugus by electing bjp or its coalition patner (I am not against TDP, which is far better than YSRCP, but it did a mistake by going with bjp in current elections in SA)
In one hand Nyaya agrees that AP division result in minority parties such as MIM become stronger and yet accuse us for supporting MIM (I didn't know SA ever supported MIM) instead of BJP, which is resonsible for MIM like parties become stronger with the division of AP.
When (s)he cann't defend, then (s)he start accusing others as converts etc.
And with that, VK has proved himself a liar. I have no where praised BJP for accepting Sonia's Telangana bill–I hated it and raised hue and cry, but ultimately realized was done deal. Fact that VK has said this shows the tactics which jagan supporters will stoop to pull wool over eyes of upset Andhras.
As for the abomination of Telangana forced on AP, I only pointed out how Telugus voted for a snake, so why are they surprised when snake bit them. AP gave maximum votes to congress under YSR–so rather than attacking national parties without difference, should recognize who betrayed Telugu people after taking their votes.
KN humiliation? Congress had been actively trying to bring down bjp government since the beginning through various games. Question is why is VK ok with foreign ruled congress and jagan. VK must explain why he wants foreign slavery. VK should explain why he wants betrayer congress to succeed in keeping out nationalists from power.
Where and when you objected to BJP supporting evil Sonia's bill on telangana.
Please read what I have written about YSRCP and merely accusing some one will not make bjp role in AP division go away.
So what did KN did do to be bitten by bjp snake in previous govt.?
You are keeping saying Sonia divided AP whereas BJP leaders are saying they are responsible for AP division. Who is right here?
Bharatiya Janata Party is making a desperate attempt to make its presence felt in the Telangana region by winning a couple of MP seats and a few MLA seats by claiming credit for the formation of new State.
Senior BJP leader Sushma Swaraj on Saturday said the Congress had no moral right to claim that it was responsible for Telangana state formation, as it became possible only with BJP’s support and cooperation.
- See more at: http://www.greatandhra.com/politics/elections-2014/no-telangana-without-bjp-sushma-55940.html#sthash.RSFlEa10.dpuf
Today Sushamaji said in a public meeting that "Congress has no moral right to claim that it was responsible for telangana formation, as it became possible only bjp support and co-opeation."
So who is correct you (for saying only Congress backstabbed telugus by dividing AP) or bjp leaders (who are saying telangana impossible without bjp support).
Where and when have I supported BJP support on Telangana?
Again, I have made my closing remarks above. Readers can see. Since this is earlier recent comment by VK, I will assume he still wants to end debate. My counter can be seen above.
Then what is your problem with us opposing BJP in SA for supporting Sonia's bill under closed doors.
Make up your mind, do you want to end debate or keep advocating on behalf of your masters jagan and fonia?
I already told my opposition to Telangana irregardless of who supports. If you want to oppose BJP fine, but using this as excuse to oppose the TDP shows you are supporter of looter jagan who will destroy what is left of seemandhra and telugu culture. This I oppose tooth and nail.
So what is your problem if I oppose TDP with my own reasons (mentioned several times in my comments). You can also shout at YSRCP I have no problem unlike you.
Who is stopping you from voting what you want?
Reason for my counter-argument is to explain to other voters/readers why support for ysr/jagan will be ruinous for seemandhra.
As already stated, yes, I fully support bjp/tdp alliance for reasons I have listed (national + state interest matters). But if people absolutely cannot support bjp for reasons Chakravarthy garu listed–fine–at least give pure TDP vote to secure maximum SA negotiating power at center and good governance in seemandhra state assembly.
@nyaya
You can say whatever you want about any party but cann't keep accusing others who disagree with you.
It is you who started name-calling.
If you want to support jagan, fine. Say it loud and clear like Mann said.
Just don't pretend to have interests of seemandhra people at heart. Vote for jagan, fine, but I have every right to give counter-argument against ysr looting. In this regard, my audience is other readers on fence about whom to vote for, not you who have already made up mind.
Yes you have so much interest in SA that you don't mind accusing them responsible for AP division by electing congress
"Telugus never supported BJP. But telugus shamelessly supported congress"
Your arguments are no longer making sense. Please have jagan turn your machine off so your pro-ysr looting spambot program can be reactivated tomorrow.
There is NO connection. ITs just used to scare gullible people. Just like bochoodu vastunnadu jagratta. I love to see all these pakistani hindus, bangladeshi hindus,kashmiri hindus loving people do something in REAL to help them or the BJP government raise their issue in UN.
~~Why should a Andhra guy who was denied his rights in hyderabad go and suckup his shame and vote for BJP? or worry about some Bangladeshi hindu who was killed by another Bangladeshi muslim? why?
Because other hindus will ask similar question when same happens to Andhra guy thru MIM goondaraj in hyderabad (oinkwaisis smuggling in bangladeshis to change hyd demographics). Stupid man only sees benefit today. Smart man thinks of benefit tomorow. For anti-bania bigot, you sure think like stereotypical bania…
@frmap
I couldn't understand the logic behind the so called telugus support for bjp
1. BJP childish (I was told adults think many aspects whereas child think only one thing) enough to ask votes for its role in AP division in telangana but SA should behave like an adult to vote to BJP for the sake of hindus in neighbouring countries.
2. BJP can agree with MIM on AP division but still SA should vote to BJP to prevent MIM.
3. BJP can go with congress on AP division but SA should still vote to BJP because evil congress divided the state.
4. According to Pawan Kalyan, 30 year old TDP party (established for protecting telugus pride) do nothing when KCR abuse telugus and ally with him for votes but newly formed parties should opposed KCR.
GK asked "Whom should they vote for?"
If there is a candidate who sincerely fought for integration, vote for him. Else, NOTA is always there.
Jay asked:
Chakravarthy, a few questions:
1. Are you asking the voters to vote against all national parties (including pro-Telangana CPI & anti-Telangana CPM) or just Congress-BJP?
RESPONSE: Congress and BJP yes. Other parties are inconsequential.
2. What is your recommendation about parties allying and/or supporting these parties (e.g. BJP's ally TDP & its supporters like Loksatta & Pavan Kalyan)?
RESPONSE: If there is a candidate who sincerely fought for integration, vote for him. Else, NOTA is always there.
3. What about TRS? I am surprised you are not calling for its defeat.
RESPONSE: We are not interested in picking on regional parties. We believe that the state division was part of a broader conspiracy hatched by the Delhi leaders and parties.
Chakravarthy, all these years you fought against TRS. Have you changed your views about them?
When the state was divided my first instinct as to support any party which is committted against Congress. So naturally tdp-bjp were my firs choice. But on proper reflection that is no longer what i think.
we are giving the most power desperate manipulative lying scamming LOSER CBN too much of a free hand to play it the way he likes.CBN was a failure horrible as leader of opposition..he failed the AP assembly where he held leader of opposition (equiv to cabinet rank) and he failed the party which lost deposits in last elections against YSR . He failed 2009 elections with an unholy alliance with TRS. To me it seems he is still fighting the 2004 elections in 2014. His election promises such as RUNA MAFI are reckless and reveal the desperation. Also reflect how anothe organ of TDP(for all practical purposes) the eenadu paper supported telangana movement . Recollect the massive coverage which will shame even namaste telangana it gave to KCR when he was fighting Jeevan Reddy so as to embarass YSR. CBN as cabinet minister rank holder could not even say one work in AP assembly against division. And Modi maybe better than Sushma but lets not give such a free pass to BJP as well – hold it accountable to its actions.
AP society has gone in to too much short term benefit ignoring real long term. We failed when we did not recognize chiranjeevi for taking united AP cause against all odds in 2009. I think even this blog or anyone form visalandhra congratulated him and expressed gratitude to him- everybody thinks they are experts in divining the "real" characters of people while totally ignoring their public posture which really matters.
Right or wrong Jagan spoke out againt division. Corruption by YSR should not reflect on him. Sins of father cannot be put on sons. he maybe corrupt but atleast he does not have the sin of AP division on his hands. And his manifesto is less desperate than CBN.
In politics, experience is very important. CBN has experience in ruling our state whereas YSJ has none. Moreover, YSJ asking votes on his father acheivements by forgeting his sins. So CBN is good for AP and desparation shouldn't be treated as weakness. In fact, when you get something without working for it, then you don't know the value of it (like Rajiv Gandhi's PM position). Politically, CBN should win this time for TDP survival, which is important to keep AP in post 1983 era (before that there was no opposition to congress, so no development in AP). However I do agree that CBN is not taking seriously SA feelings about the AP division. Although YSJ is for unitedAP, he did nothing to stop the bifurcation (had he suggested like TRS that he will merge his party with congress, then the situation of AP division would have been different) whereas CBN did a lot behind the doors to stop the division or reduce damage postAP division. However, BJP back stabbed him by saying something to him and doing different thing in Parliament regarding the AP division bill. I think Venkaiah Naidu tried to reverse the damage of AP division in Rajaya sabha but it was too late. So TDP shouldn't believe in BJP and spoil its chances of winning elections in AP through its alliance with BJP.
Chirajeevi said he is for unitedAP but if he is really mean it he would have taken assurance form Congress against AP division during PRP merger with congress. But he was keen to merge prp with congress for personal benefits than state interests so prp merger benefited him (MP, minister etc) and congress (to survive 5 years in govt. in AP). Whatever respect he has in AP vanished now with the way he defending congress in AP division. Pawan Kalyan also make no sense by opposing congress and supporting bjp, which is also equally responsible for AP divsion under closed doors.
In summary, CBN is far better than YSJ (did he do any thing to his constituency as an MP) in leading AP but he should stop praising NM and BJP that helped congress in destorying AP and made it as a beggar state. Neither CBN nor YSJ can do any thing to stop AP division (YSJ could have stopped the division indirteclty). CBN is better administrator but carrying BJP baggage whereas YSJ has corruption on his name and asking votes on his father's achievements. So CBN would be better if he clarifies his and bjp roles in AP division. I think CBN will speak about the division after elections in telangana.
TDP is better off with out CBN, That guy may have a exp but he has no heart and absolutely no guts. Why the alliance with BJP when they think it cant even win 7 seats in AP ? he lost his brain due to desperation.
Desperation is dangerous and it can make people do things they normally wont. After making impossible promises CBN knows he cant implement and he will lose 2019 elections. He will do what YSR did - make his son lokesh as strong as possible by looting the state.
Chirajeevi, in my opinion, is inexperienced and foolish. But the issue is how the creme de la creme of SA society reacted. When we have a cause to support and when someone with political power makes a sacrifice for that cause and takes a public stance then we have to support him. But SA media, intellectuals did not bother supporting him and seen him with contempt. That weakened the cause. Chir faced with onslaught from sakshi, congress and tdp and his own lack of knowledge had no standing power to last as a party til next elections. But thats different. we failed him when he took up our cause. now we want to fail jagan.
CBN did this did that was all in backroom and no one really knows. is it not time for us to stop give our votes for so called backroom players who will never admit in daylight ?
I agree with you about TDP alliance with BJP in AP. This is what stopping many people to support TDP though it is better than YSRCP in many aspects.
However, there is no one better than CBN to lead TDP at the movement. It is unfortunate that all our politicians really had no plan B in the eventuality of AP division (forcefully off course) by congress and bjp. On top of that TDP sprinkled peppar in our fresh wound of separation by having alliance with bjp. Interestingly the so called bjp supporters (claiming to be telugus) asking us forget about the division for sake of our national interest but don't mind bjp leaders using AP separation to beg votes in telangana. Today Susham Swaraj said again that telangana become reality because of bjp. We want to get rid congress for dividing AP whereas TDP strengthning virtually non-existent bjp in SA, which is really hurting many of us who support unitedAP. This is becuase, like congress, bjp openly saying that the credit for formation of T state goes to bjp and yet TDP want us to vote to bjp in SA. Does this mean TDP don't believe in unitedAP? This is against TDP main motto of respecting telugu pride.
Unfortunately YSJ also saying he would go any parth except congress at the centre, which means he is not ruling out alliance with bjp.Can you please tell what did YSJ do to stop AP division? In my opinion, there is no difference between TDP and YSRCP, which both didn't take the division seriously and left us to die with the wounds caused by the division.
Therefore we left with no choice (NOTA is the same) but choose between TDP or YSRCP in AP. If YSRCP say it doesn't go with either congress or bjp, then it might have better change than TDP to win in SA. Although I hate TRS, which has guts to say that it will go with 3rd front though bjp and congress helped T formation. Though bjp and congress destroyed AP and made the state as a beggar state, still neither TDP nor YSRCP openley opposing both congress and bjp and say they will go with 3rd front if they win.
Credit for T formation goes to BJP – Sushama Swaraj (TV9)
Does this indicate only evil congress responsible for AP division?
If BJP supporters want us to forget about AP division because there are even bigger issues to think of, then why bjp have no shame in using their role in AP division for begging votes in telangana.
Because unlike regional parochialists like you, BJP has to think of more than 1 issue. So regardless of way division was done, they will get votes in both states–unlike you preferred party congress who is only actively campaignin in Telangana
Are you stupid or what? When and where did I say I support Congress you moron?
Moron like you asking us to forget about AP division and think about national interests and BJP has no shame in begging votes in telangana in the name of division. Instead of adressing what I asked, you come with some moronic excuses.
Are you stupid? Support for jagan is fixed match support for congress. It is clear you are really anti-tdp and pro-jagan congress.
Since this is your earliest recent comment, I will assume you still want to end debate and ignore your other childish name-calling. Readers can see my counter above.
You are keep saying Sonia is reponsible for AP division whereas BJP politicians clearly claiming that they are responsible for telangana. When I asked that question instead of replying to that you keep accusing me. If BJP really thinks more than 1 issue, why it is begging votes only on one issue, AP division, in telangana.
So what you problem if I am an anti-TDP? You go and accuse YSRCP if you want I have no problem but let me express what I think of BJP and TDP in AP.
Who is ruling center? Who said "Telangana at all costs"–even at threat of CBI and Emergency?–what are you paid servant of italian madam? All this was done by congress. BJP not innocent, but prime criminal is congress which was actuall ally of MIM.
There are only two choices at AP state level, TDP and YSR. If you go with YSR then you want jagan to continue looting and destroying our culture. That is the problem.
Who is stopping you from expressing–I am only pointing out that you are paid agent of jagan, which is why not only are you attacking BJP national party but TDP state party. Means you want cong fixed match looter jagan–which no real Telugu can accept after 10 years of AP misrule.
Let BJP say what you mentioned about AP division in telangana.
Again what is your problem if attack bjp or tdp or both, If you want, you can also do the same to any party you may want but it is inappropriate to attack individuals who are writing comments here. Otherwise I will also reciprocate in the same manner.
Clearly you are not man of word, that is why you continue debate even after saying you will end. You made your closing remark, I made mine. Only showing your stubborn love for jagan by continuing.
Who is attacking? You started name-calling. As for TDP–yes, if you are against TDP, then you are pro-looter jagan. You can vote as you please, but I can give counter argument to convince readers against jagan. You have your right, I have mine.
@Kiran, I completely agree with you and thats what I have been saying that lets not give a free pass to BJP(for Modi) and hold them accountable. But reg TDP my opinions are little similar to VK's opinion.
TDP was irresponsible and did not fight for integration. But they much talked about fairshare (which for some strange reason nobody understood). Parties need not have any opinion on such bifurcation issues. They need to follow the AP assembly directions. But that did not hapen.
More than me or you or AMRAO garu or our KCR, there is only one person in entire AP who has extremely strong attachment to Hyderabad. That person is CBN. No sane mind would think that he would just let it go from his hand.
So TDP MP's should be elected for parliament in massive numbers as AP representitavies and never elect BJP or congress. or even YSRP.(of course TRS should be eliminated without a trace from telugu land.)
For state assembly, if people want to punish TDP, they can vote to JSP, loksatta or even ysrp or independents as always. It really does not matter now. This clarity should be sent.
I can understand your view on national parliament and national parties–and though I don't advocate this can respectfully accept as viable second option for Andhra voters.
As for state assembly, I can't. Punishing TDP by voting YSR is cutting nose to spite face. Jagan misrule will destroy what is left of seemandhra. TDP has been punished for last 10 years. Maha aythey, vote Lok Satta, but for God's sake, not jagan.
Idiots, why do you keep blaming the Center, Sonia, Congress, BJP, Sushma, Digvijay Singh, Jairam Ramesh, Chidambaram etc etc. "Inta gelichi rachagelavandi" losers "Seemandhra people". The cause of it all are mean and "viswasam leni" Nizam Andhra (known as Telangana people) people and the selfish Seemandhra people (ex, TDP, YSRCP, CBN, Jagan, Lagadapati, PRP, Chiranjeevi, Congress leaders, industrialists and film magnets etc settled in Hyd and or have interests in Hyd) who all played with the lives of the people living in Seemandhra people.
I love this separation as it will decrease the rate of growth of current Naizam region enormously, which has been happening at the cost of Seemandhra regions since 60 yrs.
I love this separation at least now but would have been more happy if it was granted 15 yrs back.
The Bombay Sensex has reported Fraud Telangana Movement (FTM) for 15 yrs with grand growth more than that of Infosys (INFY). It was a money making machine. Wasuli, Dadagiri, Gundagiri, Mawaligiri, Mediagiri, Reporting Fraud wow my goodness. What not. It was worst than what Hitler could have done. It was the World's Most Pathetic Lie. It not just fooled the rest of Telugus, but has fooled national and international people.
Note: The only region that grew from rags to riches in India is Naizam. Thanks to the Seemandhra people for not developing their own regions. THis is what one will get by helping others in India.
I am from Seemandhra. I belong to a Caste X. My grandpa has given lakhs of rupees to poor students from our caste of Naizam for 50 yrs. At least 500 people benefited, studied in IITs, did Medicines, settled abroad or decorated excellent positions in India. All 500 were involved in the Fraud Telangana Movt. You know what, when my own brother was searching for a bride, when we came across a girl from the Naizam region, the first thing they asked was "are you from seemandhra". Sorry we are not interested because of unkown reason. Thanks Late grandpa for raising 500 demons.
Don't blame people for division of AP and the manner in which it was done as of now. If the same people do not punish the parties involved in the division using the power of vote, in this election, then probably you can blame them.
I sincerely don't understand some of the guys who supported UnitedAP and immediately wants to support parties like TDP and BJP. As a part (not individual leaders) TDP failed miserably for the last 6 years. How can a party formed for Telugu Atmagouravam support and pass a resolution to divide Telugu land,way back in 2008. How can this party join forces with TRS during 2009 elections????? Even after their defeat they did not learn a lesson and change their stand. Someone was talking about YSR and free pathakams. Have these geniuses looked into the manifesto of TDP in 2009 an 2014. It is filled with bribes for electorates. TDP if elected now will be far worse than YSR's government. Cannot consider TDP unless the top leadership is thrown out and a new leadership with new vision(not balakrishna please) takes control of the party.
Regarding YSRCP and Jagan, he is a untested product. I am not like some of the greats on this forum who have investigated on the corruption charges and wearing their Judicial cap have already delivered judgement . I firmly believe that whatever corruption has happened in YSR's regime should be blamed on YSR, senior congress leaders like Sonia, Rahul, chidambaram, the entire AP cabinet. The buck stops over there. If one thinks that Jagan is not suitable, then let them vote for Loksatta.
@Nyaya, Ashis Kumar.
Do you all realise that the CBN of 1998-2004 is all but disappeared. What you have is external body. The idea and vision are all gone. If not he would not have supported formation of Telangana (at least not without clear plan/proposition as to what he means by sama-nyayam.). Also, if you care to spend 5 minutes reading his 2009 and 2014 manifestos, you will clearly understand why he is called 'all-free babu'. He is proposing free pathakams much beyond what YSR ever thought about. He is talking about 'Runa- Mafi'. Nothing worse to ensure none of the 'independent' banks would give any more loans to poor people/farmers in the future.
You may not get proper answers to your comment but certainly you will be branded as anti-hindu, anti-telugu, converter, evangilican, jagan spambot (I don't waht it means), jagan paid agent etc.
Ramesh, Chandra Babu is the same guy, but the people of AP have changed. Babu is not an ideologue but a politician so he has to play to the gallery. He strongly believed in reforms, free markets, infrastructure building etc. He was even reverting freebies (increasing Rs 2 rice to Rs 5 etc) in his second term. YSR came and moved the pendulum so much to the left, peope feel they are entitled to all the freebies, so Babu has no choice but to start from where we are now. Calling Babu "all free babu" is a clever and established tactic. It is like a cheater calling others cheaters to preempt others from calling him that. It works very well in politics. Voting for Jagan is voting for the "culture" of freebies. It is very dangerous for progress in the long run.
Regarding sama-nyayam, there is no need for him to explain what that means. 2 months before elections, anything he tries to explain, Congress would have exploited that to their advantage. TDP is not without mistakes, but the biggest culprits for the way division happened are Congress and BJP. They never cared for the feelings of Telugus, calculated that they both will benefit in the long run in Telangana, their plan seems to be working. But I dont see TDP allying with BJP such a bad thing, they are national parties, we can love them or hate them but not ignore them! Babu's alliance with BJP is strictly for Telangana. I believe "neutral" people in Telangana (who are not hardcore T vadis) see this alliance as a good alternative but some Andhras like VK want to punish TDP just for alliance! Cant understand why intelligent people are not able to get this!
I totally agare you that CBN is better than YSJ, who is trying to get votes on his father's pathakams and ignoring his deeds.
You said "Babu's alliance with BJP is strictly for Telangana"
If so why TDP wants to have meeting NM in SA. By having alliance with BJP in SA, what TDP is trying to say about the alliance to the people who participated in the agitations. TDP not only having alliance with BJP in SA but also planning to have joint meeting with BJP in SA, which is nothing but a slap on telugus who are angry with the division. Still you are asking why we are angry with TDP alliance with BJP in SA.
Now you are nitpicking. Once alliance has formed, it comes with its baggage. NM is very likely the futurePM and is not perceived negatively like Sushma or Jaitley. They wont come to SA anyway. You might be angry with the alliance, but like Dr JP says: Dont cut the nose to spite the face!
You just mentioend "Babu's alliance with BJP is strictly for Telangana" and you are saying now what is wrong with alliance in SA.
The alliance will cost TDP dearly in SA.
CBN did nothing to prevent AP division and on top that insulting the people who agitated for unitedAP by having alliance with bjp. TDP is in winning position before having alliance with BJP but it is now cutting of the nose to spite the face (self destructive) with the alliance.
If I were YSRCP supporter, I would be happy for TDP self destruction, at least in SA, through BJP alliance. So real TDP supporters should worry about the alliance, which cost TDP dearly in SA.
If the leader changes like a chameleon (not on small issues) but on some of the fundamental issues and goes against his own conviction, then what is the point of getting such a leader. Beleive me, we can get really good administration from the existing AP employees, what they need is a clear/decisive leader who after listening to all opinions makes a decision and sticks with it. So, tomorrow, if ByReddy kind of guys win two or three bye-elections will CBN start giving letters in support of Rayalaseema statehood ? If people want income exceeding Rs10,000 pm directly into their bank accounts without any effort, will he divert all the state income (+ centre grants + Nationa/International loans) to give such money ???
If one election defeat (after 9 years of enjoying the power) can change a leader beyond recognition within a span of 5 years. What do you think CBN is now after 2 general election defeats, multiple bye-election defeats in a span of 10 years ? Have you seen Modi promising all things free ? No, he is promising Growth for everyone. And that is the reason for his following to grow in the entire nation.
Believe me, CBN would have won elections in 2009 if he had stuck with Development agenda, moderate free pathakams that help Agriculture sector and a clear/decisive United AP stand without any alliance with TRS. YSR won in Rayalaseema/Coastal andhra regions in 2009 just because of his pro-united AP (play of words in Nandyala meeting) stand he took after the election was complete in Nizam Telangana areas. And YSR won Nizam Telangana area because TRS lost 48 seats of the allocated 58 seats by the Mahakootami alliance.
I myself changed my allegiance away from TDP after the party passed the resolution supporting Telangana. Because I knew that if TDP forms the government CBN will go ahead with the division as it is part of TDP's manifesto (unlike Congress and YSR).
I agree with whatever you said about CBN. Unfortunately YSJ did nothing about AP division when it mattered (giving letter in all party meeting etc). Furthermore YSJ is less experienced and carrying a tag of X thousand crore scams. So far neither he nor his supporters denied it instead saying others also did scams. This means we left with choosing between untrusty CBN with experience in running govt. and inexperienced YSJ with scams. So TDP was front runner until it choose to go with BJP, which supported AP division without bothering about our feelings and votes. BJP hurting us by choosing one of the congress central ministers, Purandareswari, who played cunning role in AP division, as their MP candidate. By having alliance with bjp, CBN started behaving as if nothing happened to AP and saying he will be CM and NM is PM. This is unpardonable and the alliance may cause TDP to lose this election as well in AP.
I know we should move forward, which doesn't mean the culprits of AP division should be unpunished. Congress destroyed AP and now crying TRS cheated them. We should punish Congress by making it non-extent in AP. If TDP agree to get rid of congress for dividing AP, why it is trying to promote another party, bjp, that involved in the division.
Unfortunately YSJ did nothing about AP division when it mattered (giving letter in all party meeting etc).
I will only paritally agree. If I remember correctly, they gave two opinions in the two all-party meetings. One opinion supporting division and another opposing division. This is when everyone in AP (incorrectly) believed that AP is not going to be bifurcated before 2014 elections. But in May/Jun 2013, when it became clear that Congress is close to finalising the decision to divide the state, YSJ and his party came out clearly with pro United AP stand at the cost of losing support in Telangana regions. Believe me that decision of YSJ had definitely impacted YSRCP in T region. If he had not taken a clear UnitedAP stand in May/Jun 2013, YSRCP would have been competing with TDP for 3rd place in Telangana region and would have given TDP a run for its money.
I am not aware of an all party meeting in May/June 2013, sorry for that. Nonetheless congress decision on telangana wouldn't have changed even TDP said no to telangana. Only party that could have stopped the division was BJP but it didn't do that for votes.
Sorry. I only mentioned about the two all-party meetings that have happened before July 2013.
In June 2013, YSRCP came out with a clear proUnitedAP stand.
Regarding sama-nyayam, there is no need for him to explain what that means. 2 months before elections, anything he tries to explain.
When TDP passed a resolution to form Telangana state in 2008 (not 2009), they should have clearly stated what should be done to the remainder of AP for addressing the Revenue deficit. What should be done to ensure water disputes do not arise between the two new states. What should be done for jobs of the educated youth of both regions. etc.., etc.., He was in power for 9 whole years. He could have easily hired expertise to come up to do private research (commissioned by TDP party) and proposed his vision.
Worst case scenario, he could done it at any point of time between 2009 to 2013. The fact is he never did it. He failed as a opposition party leader misearably. He was always catching up on the agenda set by Congress high-command during 2009-14. I do not think such a spent force is of any use as a leader for the future of SA region or T region. I won't mind considering TDP (a) If they throw out the current leadership and come up with some one better, outside of nandamuri/nara family (b) Come back to the Agenda of Development (aka Modi's agenda) (c) Acknowledge their mistakes in the AP bifurcation incident.
Mann wrote :
"his second term. YSR came and moved the pendulum so much to the left, peope feel they are entitled to all the freebies, so Babu has no choice but to start from where we are now"
As I said before CBN and his committed supported are still fighting 2004 elections in 2014. Mann is doing the same thing CBN worshippers do blame people for not getting the "real" CBN though in public CBN did nothing for the main burning cause of AP. Instead he actively defended T sepratism till its too late to go back.
I agree with this blog that main script and tunes were set in Delhi. But CBN danced to every tune coming from Delhi without applying his mind or moral values. SOmetimes he danced even more than local congress leaders. He sidelined many integrationist telangana politicians like chalasani srinivas yadav, teegala krishna reddy to take on his head TRS in 2009 and separate telangana after that, What was his foolish justification ? save party in telangana – the state be damned. But did he achieve even that ? TDP is fighting for 3rd or 4th position in Telangana by hugging the snake BJP.
WHy should we give votes to someone who allowed himself to be outsmarted , out moralled at every point in the last 11 years ? atleast the congress leaders admitted fault and resigned in droves. We dont get a single word of regret from CBN. No apology, no explanation to people of AP. Just a demand that we should vote for him. He came out with a manifesto to out did YSR in 2014 – he should have done it in 2004.
As a party there is no comparision of TDP with YSRCP. TDP was a historic party set up for telugu people and recieved instant support in all regions when set up in 1984. But CBN is the problem and his worshippers are not questioning him with rigor expected from their intelligence and education. Under CBN the party wtinessed breakup of the very state whose honor the party promised it will protect. And it witnessed in a completed outwitted way and fully complicit in the division of the state.
Ideally, from what appears to everybody, Kiran would deserve support from SA than CBN and he is an as good a CBN as CM. But it was too late for him to start a party. Now if jagan becomes a CM, even if does not repeat the corruption, he would be following the path of coming out of cases than what is good for state. It is very evident that whatever CBN did from 2004 is all with greed for power than statesmenship. But SA is literally left with no options. Though CBN deserves to be punished, SA needs a leader to look forward at this time. what are the options?
I agree with you. SA is in most unfortunate position of having to chose between third rate politicians - we have to decide who is less third rate. What a fall for this state from what it used to be. I would support TDP if CBN apologises or express regret or best resign from leading TDP and let someone else take reigns and ofcourse cut ties with BJP atleast in AP.
There is another unfortunate thinking amonf CBN worshippers that only he can lead TDP. How come TDP with laks of cadre cant throw up a decent guy to the top ? and what right does CBN who led TDP to lose deposits in last bye elections in seemandhra and 3rd/4th position in telangana and not to mention support state division to lead tdp and the much reduced AP ? and to top it all the decision to ally with BJP. I suspect CBN is hanging on to his leadership with massive corporate money ( CM Ramesh, Sujana, Nama etc) and is working against democracy within TDP.
If TDP transitions leadership out of CBN or even better NTR family in a professional way it willl be a great precedent and others like YSR will have to comply.
But none of it is happening now. Pawan was brilliant in his first speech but now fizzled out. Another annoying with CBN supporters is they think CBN has to do nothing to earn our vote but just scare us in to voting him by showing jagan or any opponent as a monstrously corrupt fellows. CBN needs to work for your votes better.
I would go with Jagan for now. He is not yet convicted for corruption only accused. he openly declared support for united AP and prepared for any losses in Telangana region. And i also dont think TDP will be wiped if it loses this election it can easily come stronger in 2019 or even earlier if Jagan turns out to be a monster he is portrayed to be and CBN actually works for Telugu people.
You said "I would support TDP if CBN apologises or express regret or best resign from leading TDP and let someone else take reigns and ofcourse cut ties with BJP atleast in AP."
I said this in all my comments in last few days, for which I have been branded as anti-hindu, anti-telugu, converter, jagan paid agent etc by BJP supporters claiming to be from SA. So be preapred to get similar accusations.
100% Agree with you Kiran. Exactly my thoughts. I would not have put it more eloquently.
1. There are some people who are desperate that YSRCP should come to power in SA. But they are TOTALLY ASHAMED to come out openly in support of YSRCP and hence they advocate voting against BJP and TDP. YSRCP is a part of a larger conspiracy to effect permanent demographic changes in SA through conversions and making the state as a slave state to the YSR family. This is what congress did in Nagaland under the guise of "secularism" and succeeded.
2. Congress knew that it would disappear from SA once T is given. So it simply morphed into another organism called YSRCP. So this new "franchisee" of congress in SA opens a new shop in SA and simply does sloganeering for an integrated state. Good example of "Good cop, bad cop" to get the job done. While congress played the bad cop, the role of good cop was given to YSRCP.
3. I do not agree with the argument that both congress and BJP should be punished for dividing the state. It is congress that has played a principal role in starting the agitation (when YSR went to Delhi with separatists to support divison) and indirectly facilitating the entire process smoothly through Kiran kumar.
But let me be too liberal with my counterparts and agree that both should be punished. However, I cannot understand the logic that TDP should be punished for allying with BJP, but YSRCP should not be punished for cutting an underhand deal with the congress. This is one of the most crooked logic I have ever come across. This is a case of GIVING DISHONESTY a good name.
4. congress, TDP, YSRCP all played double game with the state's division. BJP was from the very beginning very clear that it supported the divison. So no one can accuse BJP of backstabbing, though one can accuse BJP of being negligent at ignoring the larger dimension of the state's divison. Backstabbing and negligence are 2 very different words and people who do not understand the difference should simply refer to a dictionary.
It looks like there are some people who LIKE underhand alliances and 2 faced approach, but DISLIKE open alliances and 1 faced approach. So they LIKE congress-YSRCP underhand alliance and 2 faced approach on integration, but DISLIKE BJP-TDP open alliance and BJP's 1 faced pro-T approach.
I cannot argue with these people. If someone comes to me and says that he likes evil as there is nothing wrong with it, I do not have the time to start a Mahabharata class in this forum. Good luck to him is what I can say. But hopefully SA people are wiser than some of the people on this forum here, else they will live with evil for generations to come under the foolish notion that living with evil is a way of getting back at the BJP.
Speaking for myself I am sticking to a very open single faced stand. In fact I am sick of having to judge leaders based on their inner motives (which I really dont have access to and have to rely on their worshippers) but while ignoring their actual actions in public. This is dangerous for any democracy as it gives a blank check to the "inner" good guy to do anything in public – support telangana. runa mafi etc – with no cost as he is good in the back room.
Whereas the "inner" bad guy just can't do anything in public to earn our vote – even though he says he won't have alliance with congress, has more practical manifesto etc.- we have to beleive he will be bad in the back room.
+10000000000000!
Fully summarizes my feelings in most clear concise way. To those who posed question to me directly, please see this instead.
Excellent answer Ashish–you should start a blog to show that Telugu atma-gauram doesn't mean hurting India. Well done, yaar.
Don't give lectures saying that voting for YSRCP is voting against India. This is the same kind of campaign that TRS started, that if you do not support TRS, then you are aginst the people of Telangana. And you are taking the same argument to the extreme. Voting to YSRCP can be good or bad for SA and India. Only time will tell. As I said this party(YSRCP) is an untested product. The only thing you know is the candidates in the fray and their manifesto. If one is not convinced about both, they do not need to vote to YSRCP.
Voting for BJP/TDP in AP during this election, is definitely bad for SA and consequentially for India.
If BJP learns a lesson and acknowledge their mistake during AP bifurcation and take corrective/preventive actions not to do these kind of divisions in the future, WE people of AP can consider voting for them in the future.
Voting for TDP (i.e., the current day TDP) is worse than voting for YSR in 2004. He is offering anything and everything for free. If TDP (1) goes back to the Development based agenda (2) Acknowledge their mistake on division of AP, One can consider voting for them.
If one does not agree with YSRCP due to alleged corruption, you have LokSatta Party.
If there is no LokSatta Party candidate in your constituency, NOTA is there.
Just to clarify, I will be more than happy if Modi becomes the next PM of India. Only that Modi and his party should not get a single seat from SA region. After the euphoria, BJP is such a party which is going to sit down and hopefully learn the lesson that they did a mistake in supporting the AP division in the way they did.
If on the other hand SA people, do not punish BJP and instead give one or two loksabha seats, then the lesson they will learn is that "This is the correct way to divide states". That incorrect lesson is extremely dangerous to India.
No, you're absolutely right, Ramesh! Vote for looters like jagan who made their money at cost of people during papa's rule! Vote jagan for churches on Tirumala! Best option for India! Vote jagan and turn SA into NE!
I don't know why you are bringing religion into this discussion all of a sudden. Are you aware of any legal issue around constructing or not constructing a certain relegious structure in Tirumala or Timbuktu. If so, Please enlighten me with the details of the legal issue. I don't give a damn about your personal sentiments about certain relegious aspects.
Religion is not new issue and only fool will ignore this factor with growing MIM oinkwaisi party, and I don't give a damn about your personal ignorance.
But since you specifically asked, for benefits of others, here is two of many issues:
http://www.hindu.com/2006/12/27/stories/2006122703430500.htm
http://www.dailypioneer.com/todays-newspaper/powder-keg-alarm-over-islamic-college-in-tirupati.html
Next time, less sloganeering, more reading of political events.
It was my mistake to expect something better. I don't see any legal issues. The articles are filled with scare-mongering news.
AP had non- YSR government for last 4.5 years. Can you show me that there was any probe on these two issues, if what you claim are LEGAL issues.
Again, I don't care about some one's personal sentiments!!!!!
Don't see legal issues in false declaration of religion signed by YSR/Jagan entering TTD, but then trying to build church?!!
Confirmed site with pictures of heera islamic college in Tirupati is scare-mongering?!!
It was my mistake to think jagan supporter can honestly talk about issues. If you don't care about someone's "personal sentiments", build Hindu temple in St. Peter's–then talk…
Links coming, held up in moderation
1. Many of us who want to support TDP are angry with its alliance with BJP, which supported congress destroying of AP. Let CBN say that we don't want votes of people who oppose BJP. In fact real YSRCP supporter don't object to TDP-BJP alliance, which is beneficial to YSRCP.
2. OK let us assume congress morphed into YSRCP, which is why many don't want to support that party. What good TDP doing by having alliance with BJP, which supported destroying of AP, particularly in SA.
3. Please read what Sushama Swaraj said in her yesterday's meetings in telangana. It is immaterial what you or I believe, but BJP openly saying telangana became reality because of BJP. Whom should we believe you or BJP politicians. If BJP is innoncent, why it supported the bill on AP divsion introduced by congress under closed doors? Why don't BJP leaders say that they have nothing to do with AP division?
TDP alliance with BJP is fact whereas congress alliance with YSRCP is a hunch. Should we go with the fact or hunch? Moreover, YSRCP swearing that they won't have alliance with congress. Also if you believe bjp is winning and congress losing 2014 elections, why would YSRCP go with losing party? By supporting BJP (through TDP), are we trying to prove there is no opposition to AP division in SA? Also BJP choose Purandereswary, one of the 9 congress central ministeres considered to be SA backstabbers, as one of the party's MP candidate to prove how much value they give for SA feelings on AP division.
Also TDP has no benefit to have alliance with BJP in SA other than hurting the people who agitated for unitedAP. Majority in AP are against the division, how do they prove that if not by voting against parties or their coalition partners involved in the AP division. Please don't say we should forget past and look forward. It is good but it doesn't mean we shouldn't punish the perpetrators.
4. BJP backstabbed (it may not backstabbed technically but it may be something else, but still misled us) telugus because it did say that it support the bill only when the bill is agreeable to both parts of the state. Murder don't become legal even the perpetrator say so in advance (premedidated murder carry severe punishment). So BJP merely saying it supports the bill doesn't make it less in destroying AP through the division bill. Also bjp supported the bill only for votes in telangana. When bjp, like congress, supported the bill by knowing very well that it hurts SA, we must be stupid to vote to the same party or support that party to come to power at the centre through TDP.
on point 2.. Quite a few leaders of Congress party in SA region have joined TDP. What would one say about it ? TG Venkatesh, Rayapati S Rao, JC Diwakar Reddy, Partially DL Raveendra Reddy. Are you now going to say that Congress has morphed into YSRCP (60%) and TDP (30%) ????
Kindly note that I didn't say congress morphed into YSRCP but I am trying to reply to Ashish Kumar on that point.
I do agree that your point that can we say congress morphed into TDP because many congress leaders moved into TDP?
On point 4. Completly agree with you. Even though I am a general supporter of BJP, I never wanted AP to elect BJP candidates as they have been supporting the bifurcation of AP. I do not see any difference between Congress and BJP with respect to the act of bifurcating AP. Of course, they are two different parties on other aspects. BJP needs to do much more to gain the votes of SA. I am hoping that Modi (if and when he comes to power) does implement policies that will benefit SA people and apply the balm on the wounds caused by bifurcation. Only then can BJP expect a vote from SA people.
You are 100% correct. But they are trying to get votes backdoor through TDP and undermined the feeling of unitedAP seekers by putting Purandarewsary, one of the 9 central ministers who backstabbed telugus, as their MP candidate.
I know that Purandareswary will lose in Rajampet. I sincerely hope that she loses deposit & BJP learns a good lesson.
2. Ashish….. you have seen too many Hollywood movies. Believe me, YSJ will not support Congress till Sonia/Rahul are at helm. Congress without Gandhi family will be a totally different party as compared to the one we have today. I, myself, would not mind considering such a party for support. It all depends on that day's leadership/vision and agenda.
CBN principle is this – grab votes from telugu people and grant benefits to telangana separatists. He got votes in 1999 from teugu people and exclusivley developed hydbad in telangana. He got votes again in 2009 proportionately more from seemandhra and using those seats gave letter for telangana. Now he shamelessly want votes of telugu people agains so as to put BJP which stabbed (front or back) AP to power in Delhi.
The whole Telugu land benefited as Hyderabad developed under TDP rule. When he was powerless for 10 years, Congress looted the state and bluntly divided the state. But for you guys CBN is the fall guy. It seems he did not do enough to stop division or apologize enough for you guys. The reality is only numbers matter and whatever he does amounts to nothing. If TDP was in power, I can confidently say that division would not have happened in such haphazard manner.
Regarding YCP, you guys might still want to give Jagan benefit of doubt because of technicalities like he is not convicted. But I am totally convinced that he is a first rate crook, thief, involved in all kinds of extortion, money laundering and quid pro quo. Very soon Interpol might establish him as international criminal, you never know! I would never ever give keys to Govt properties to such a thief. How shameful it will be to say CM of Andhra has close to 1000 crore properties attached by ED, the highest ever in India. If he becomes CM, for the first time I will feel happy that I belong to the state of Telangana, now that I moved to Hyd few years back. Taking your argument, let him come clean from his cases and we can discuss bringing him to power in 2019.
You guys viscerally hate CBN, you try to bring negatives in every move he makes. Also for YCP supporters, there is nothing redeeming about Jagan so the only weapon for them is to blame CBN for everything he did or did not do. No amount of argument can convince you or vice versa. All I hope is majority people in SA dont think that way!
I agree that we both can disagree on these points.
1. For someone like you, corruption (alleged or real) is priority number 1.
2. For someone like me. Integration, justice and the long-term benefits associated with a Federal India are more important than alleged corruption.
Just to put some perspective SA region(specifically rayalaseema region) is going to face a deficit(real) of 25,000 cores per annum due to the division. And YSR's ( not YSJ's) alleged corruption is of 1000 crores over 5 years.
Ramesh, your last paragraph is very krantikaari! One needs very thick skin to write something like that.
Ramesh,
"1. For someone like you, corruption (alleged or real) is priority number 1."
No Ramesh for Mann and likes the corruption of BJP and CBN are OK. He does not dislike corruption completely.
CBN did not involve in any corruption. There is no serious allegation on him so far despite 10 years of witch-hunt. Dont go by trite statements like all politicians are corrupt. In case of Jagan, whole world knows the truth. Even YCP members dont deny that fact!
The division of AP and the way it has been done by congress with BJP support are unpardonable. These are reasons the majority in AP want to decimaten congress in this elections. Since BJP is equally responsible for the division, it should be treated like congress in AP. What is TDP trying to prove by having alliance with BJP? TDP may be better than YSRCP in many aspects but by having alliance with BJP in AP, particularly in SA, it falling behind the other parties. If TDP continue the hurting of telugus by alliance with BJP even after telangana elections, then no one can prevent TDP defeat in AP. TDP was doing well at the begining of April in AP in NDTV opinion polls, however there is no gap now between TDP and YSRCP. My prediction will be that YSRCP move up if TDP keep ignoring telugu people feelings by continuing alliance with BJP.
The entire telangana movement is because of CBN corruption, just check with Telangana leaders. We know how allegations work and CBI work, looks like you are a kid and trying to do kidding…. BJP is a very well know corrupt party look at gadkari,bangaru… funny. No more kidding OK.
@frmap
This is problem with YSRCP supporters. If someone accuse YSJ as corrupt you guys start accusing every politician as corrupt rather saying YSJ innocent. This means you agreeing that YSJ is corrupt and therefore lose the moral right to ask others support YSJ.
YSRCP should say they don't go with either Congress or BJP and attack on TDP on AP division, which is better than commenting on corruption. Majority in AP are angry with AP division and BJP supported the division. TDP feel no shame in having alliance with the party, BJP, that supported AP division. So what is the point in voting to a party, TDP, that don't mind selling (alliance with the party supported AP division) telugu pride for power. So YSRCP should attack TDP on AP divsion rather than corruption.
>> You guys viscerally hate CBN, you try to bring negatives in every move he makes.
What you need to understand is the expectations from TDP are different from that of congress. Similarly the expectations from CBN are different from that of YSR or YSJ.
TDP/CBN being a Telugu party agreed to a decision that harms 60% of people living in SA and can impact another 5-10% of SA-born people living in T areas. This is unacceptable. And that too to enable him to become CM in 2009/2014. No other noble goal. At best he scores F+.
YSR in a way exceeded his expectations. No one expected him to be non-corrupt. Every leader in Congress is corrupt and he was corrupt, probably slightly more than an average congress leader. But on the plus side, he did give a lot to the people. Some of the pathakams (economically questionable) did yield direct benefit to a lot of people. He did stop the entire discussion on the 'T' seperation for full 5 years, even though Sonia gandhi and Delhi politicians wanted to bifurcate AP way back in 2004. He almost closed TRS shop. If he was alive for a few more months, all the TRS MLAs would have joined Congress party and KCR would have retired. Supported the growth of IT industry without issues between 2004-09. A-/B+. He is not A+ because of his corruption.
YSJ –> Adminstratively untested product.
Politically, you have to give it to him. At a very tender age, just after YSR's death he dared to go against Sonia Gandhi. Left congress and created a new party, went to jail as the Sonia and co sent CBI to chase him. And today when the elections are near he is a strong contender to become CM of AP. A++. Even CBN was not able to do what YSJ did in the last 4 years. After leaving Congress, CBN joined an established TDP and slowly built his influence on a ready-made platform using the power of being the Son-in-law of the supreme leader
JP
Adminstratively –> A++, I have read some of his writings on policy matters and they are all top-notch. If ever people decide, he would become a very good minister/chief minister. His communication on policy matters is comparable to the best minds in India. (eg.., Arun Jaitely, Chidambaram etc..)
Politically –> C- (so far). Even though his Loksatta party exists for close to 10 years, we don't know any other leader in his party. A complete one man show. AAP party (I don't like them) which was formed 1 year back, has thrown-up at least 10 other leaders other than Kejriwal. Most indians who follow politics know these names. Unfortunately, it is not so with respect to Loksatta.
When TDP was in power, we all know how deftly CBN handled T issue, eventhough NDA was in support for smaller states. How can you expect CBN to deliver when people voted him out of power with decisive mandate against him? Naidu with his handful of MPs failed to stop the mighty Congress and that is unacceptable to you? What a joke! But I agree that all parties tried to use T sentiment to their advantage, and how that came to bite us back, we all know.
Regarding YSR pathakams, we all saw how they unravelled in the last few years. The same Congress Govt was unable to implement his schemes. Even if YSR was alive, he would have abandoned a few of them, because they were not budgeted for the long run. At the end of the day what we have is public money down the drain with nothing to show. All the while, YSR and Jagan and his cronies benefited hugely.
For JP, it is very unfortunate for him that this elections are all about separation of AP and nothing else. If it were a normal elections, people would have had time for the ideals JP stands for and that could have bettered Loksatta numbers in Assembly.
Finally regarding your ratings / scores, who the heck are you? No one gives a shit about your grades.
Also adding to my comment, my family is going to vote tomorrow for JP garu for MP and TDP-BJP candidate for MLA.
It is quite clear that you are least impacted financially (short-term) because of the division of AP. Surplus Tax revenue is still available for your area. Access to all the existing Educational institutes is guarenteed to be there as all the key institutions are in Hyderabad. The only impact, if any, is Psychological as of today.
The day, the division impacts you financially, you will make a different choice.
All the best for JP to win Malkajigiri MP seat.
No comments on TDP-BJP MLA.
TDP may not have the strength to oppose Congress bill on telangana in parliament but BJP could have opposed the bill. But it didn't for votes (if it is for smaller states why would oppose UP division?) in telangana and knowing that it will get nothing in SA. By having alliance with BJP, TDP proved it doesn't care about telugus. So the majority telugus should think why should they vote to a party that hurting our feelings by having alliance with the party that supported AP division by knowning very well that bill hurt SA.
I care and am willing to share.
If you do not like you can ignore.
Ramesh, you are entitled to your views and I respect that. But giving grades cannot be subjective. You have to provide some data to back your grades, else they dont mean anything.
Why would you give A++ to YSJ based on YSR acheivements? Will you agree to be operated by YSJ because YSR studied medicine? Experience and abilities are not inheritable, so supporting YSJ based on YSR achievements make no sense.
YSJ has neither political experiene nor did anything to public during his first term MP. On the contrary, CBN proved his abilities in the fast. YSR may be better than CBN, hence responsible for Congress winning in AP but he is no more. This doesn't mean we could blindly support YSJ based on YSR achievements. CBN is the best available at the present to lead AP but his acting/selective amnesia on AP division and alliance with the party that supported AP division under closed dooors are unpardonable, which cost dearly to TDP/CBN in the current elections.
VK, whats your opinion on JSP? To me that looks like the best choice available for you.
I said, administratively YSJ is untested. I can't give any rating.
I only gave a good rating to YSJ on political management. It is not easy to start a new party, sustain for 4 years, make it a formidable force in the elections. During the entire period of 4 years he went against the most powerful political family of the land, spend 16 months in jail. Not easy. Even powerful politicians like Mulayam and Mayavati caved in when CBI was sent behind them by Congress. All this makes him a good polical manager/politician. If he gets power in this election, one can test his administration skills.
@nyaya
YSR died in 2009. We had non-YSR government for the last 4 years in the state. Centre wants something or the other to implicate YSR family. In such circumstances, Can you tell whether the issues you sited were admitted in any court of law ? If they can't be admitted in a court, I have no interest in discussing.
Also AP division hurts more than allegation of building some church etc on Tirumala. Moreover, if a party (BJP) claiming to be the saviour of hindus feel no shame in hurting hindus (majority in SA are hindus) by supporting AP division, then that party or its allies has no moral right to ask votes in name of hindu religion.
Response to this broken record song already above. Why worry about hindu votes when AP church has told ppl to vote for jagan. All over the news. Need to follow more than jagan news network… I mean sakshi…to know.
I don't watch propaganda tv channels such as Sakshi TV etc. and also not blind faith moron to support a party in the name of religion.
This entire thread speaks otherwise…
Let non-congress government come to power, then we can talk.
Also, you're conveniently ignoring jailing of jagan for cases and his timely release to contest. Can't fool all the people all the time…
If you are going to run around the facts and play denial game especially about confirmed heera islamic college in Tirupati, then neither your interest nor comments have point.
I asked, is there a legal issue.
If it is not a legal issue why should one (any one) have a problem. We can not debate something based on sentiments. If building an islamic college is illegal, why is there no case ? Are you saying that Kiran Kumar reddy is a corrupt and supportive of illegal. I can not put such mud on Kiran Kumar Reddy, just because he is not in TDP.
I gave you legal issue above, but you conveniently ran away from my comment and posted here. When signatures are made on legal declaration and actions are contrary–that is legal issue! Legal Fraud! Misrepresentation! Hope you are not from jagan's legal dept…he will need better representation after may 16.
As for heera islamic college (there was already petition circulating, and preliminary administrative action again), it is further example of what is being done to "secularize" hindu holy towns. First at Tirupati, now kejriwal at varanasi. Like I said above, if you don't care about personal sentiments, first build Hindu temple at St. Peter's then you can talk after showing by example…
Kiran Kumar Reddy owes his position to fonia gandhi. He even said when given CM chair by fonia that he will do what he can to make Rahul next pm. Entire AP believes he was doing fixed match natak per your "high command"–as Jagan after being released from prison..
So yes, congress party full of sycophants, no reason to be surprised if KKR is doing natak.
Where is the legal issue if courts have not accepted it.
Yes, that's the way Ramesh, now change the wording! Here is what you said above:
"Are you aware of any legal issue around constructing or not constructing a certain relegious structure in Tirumala or Timbuktu. "
Now you are saying it must be in court. If you are not going to take discussion seriously then there is no point in continuing it. I showed legal issue, despite your un-Telugu like disrespecting of Tirupati comparing it to Timbuktu.Game is over.
The only legal issue is in your mind.
I won't accept something as a legal issue unless it is in courts and accepted by a competent court.
Opinion of jagan spambot doing word play doesn't matter